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Title: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 28, 2016, 12:45:20 PM +0000
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Track: Road America 60's Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg203765#post_roadamerica60)

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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (18 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 20, 2016, 12:41:35 PM +0000
Appetiser  :drool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL1NYZEOpbM


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 05, 2017, 12:53:32 PM +0000
Have to say that I'm enjoying muchly testing these awesome beasts out in preperation for the first race of this much anticipated series (it says here  ;)).

The engine sounds are fantastic and I think the starting grid will be deafening with all those big engines at full chat.

One thing I have noticed tho. One of the cars (may be more but it's only one that I have noticed) has a tendency to have it's screen blacked out when running through shadows. Not a huge problem here as there are shadows only under bridges and alongside some trees.

Anyone going to post some times?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: phspok on January 05, 2017, 01:34:27 PM +0000
I should be there for this 1st event, will miss lots after this though  :(
tried all the big versions, onw of them, a Chapparal? had only 2 gears  :blink: the other one had 3  :o
I guess it's related to the American habit of 3 speed auto boxes. Not really a Euro thing
In UK you get auto cars, but they are a minority comapared to manual, An I can vaguely remember
a column shift on an old Velox that me dad had...
(http://www.caclassiccars.co.uk/6182723297_328c4f8652.jpg)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: EvilClive on January 05, 2017, 02:25:28 PM +0000
Where did you find that pic??? That pink Vauxhaul looks eerily like the car driven by someone I worked with back in the 1970's.

There surely cannot have been too many PINK Velox cars around even in their 60's heyday, and one still running daily around 1976-7 was already a curiosity and a museum piece. They were notorious for rusting away as you watched them!!

The index plate sounds vaguely Bristol/Glos, so it just might be the car owned by a Mr Bill Street, estimator, gentleman and a thoroughly decent chap RIP.

The Chapparals were a real oddity back in the 60's opting for a torque converter for their massive engines and the 2 speed box. The engine developed such massive torque that they did not require any more gears and competed quite successfully with more conventional machinery. It did take the drivers at the time a while to get used to the auto box, and of course lack of engine braking effect available with a conventional box, and I guess the same is true for simracers.

Over at GPL where we have had the 67 Chap 2D and 2F for a couple of years now they have been tamed by some drivers and on any circuit where there is room to stretch their legs, they are formidable. Down the Mulsanne Straight they just keep accelerating...imagine the Massa 5.7 litre from GTL with brakes and some handling and downforce and you are getting close.

I have yet to try any of these cars, only downloaded and installed the carset this morning, but no time to even test the install. Maybe I'll get a chance before Monday evening  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 05, 2017, 02:36:30 PM +0000
Clive, would you say it's best to drive the Chapperals with Auto box turned on?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Bob M. on January 05, 2017, 02:39:03 PM +0000
On the Chapparal,, Jim Hall was a very "out of the box thinker" in his cars.  The reason I have read that he wanted the auto trans. was because the variable pitch wing was operated by the left foot.  They had a lot of problems getting a auto to hold up to the horsepower of the big motors and gave up on it later.  Later on in Can Am, he came out with the famous or infamous "Hoover" car which used a snow mobile type motor to drive empellors  to suck the car down, reverse principal of a hover craft type vehicle.  After a few races  it was "outlawed" by the sanctioning body.  Hall was quite the character, always trying to messauge the rule's... A true Hot Rodder in road racing.......

OOps sorry Clive didn't mean to step on your post, was typing (slowly) the same time you were. I have tried the 3speed Chappy in the auto mode and didn't find it much slower on average.  Think I will drive it that way Monday, just to be period correct. Also on my many spins it doesn't kill the motor!!!!

Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Geoffers on January 05, 2017, 03:52:42 PM +0000
Gave the larger engine Lola T70 Chevy a few laps the other night, quite a nice car to drive. After adjusting tyre pressures & taking a wild stab in the dark with the huge number of damper settings I got a 2.12 laptime out of it. Don't know how that compares with the other cars. Still work needed on the setup though as it did not want to turn with the brakes on.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: EvilClive on January 05, 2017, 04:09:23 PM +0000
Having never tried a Chap in auto mode, GPL does not give that option I cannot offer any advice Tony. It is 3 speed manual or nothing in GPL, and 1st gear is only usable at the start and in the very tightest hairpins. Starting the Chap is like trying to push a supertanker with Trabant! , then the engine comes into its power band and the problem is avoiding massive amounts of wheelspin.
Once up and running it is an awesome beast and the comparatively low revving engine just growls away like an angry bear as it propels you towards the horizon. Inevitably arriving at the next corner far too quickly!!  ;)
It will be interesting to compare the differences between the GPL66 Can Ams ( the Chaps 2D and 2F are in our 1967 Sports GT group alongside the Ford GT 40's MK1, 2 and 4, T70 GT Lola and the 330P4 Ferrari etc.) and this new offering in GTL. I suspect that both versions can still hit the scenery with predictable consequences??? ::)
No worries Bob, always good to hear other peoples knowledge about classic cars.
As Bob says the wing on the 2F was seriously ahead of its time and the concept of the driver having (even limited) control over the angle was something no one else had even considered in 1967. It is actually a bit like the F1 DRS flap, giving max downforce under acceleration and braking but not producing drag at 200mph+. I can imagine that it took a different sort of thought process from the drivers, to work the wing in conjunction with the gas or brake pedal!! Once Jim Hall had committed to the movable wing, an auto box was essential, but as Bob rightly says it was the Achilles heel of this monster and it had many retirements with a mangled transmission.  When it was on song it was a serious contender, but sadly the song was usually very short.

Coincidentally I recall that during my slotracing days in the 60's and 70's one of the guys at our club raced a 1:32 scale Chap 2F with working wing. He had a clever pendulum and lever arrangement attached via one of the pylons to the hinged wing in such a way that if the car accelerated the wing would tilt down, and under braking even though the pendulum swung forward, the wing still tilted correctly.

As I recall it looked absolutely fantastic as it circulated our custom built 120ft 4 lane track, but did not give him any great advantage in performance against the aliens of the time and anything but the smallest "off" would cause a malfunction. Not so different from the real thing I suppose.  After several months of repairs and rebuilds of the wing mechanism, he chucked the pendulum away and epoxy glued the wing at a fixed angle..................and went faster!!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: phspok on January 05, 2017, 04:55:55 PM +0000
My Dad's was two tone pink, rather like this one:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDQwWDEwMjQ=/z/x9oAAOSwRgJXhiPa/$_86.JPG)
And, it had a directional spot lamp on the roof with a handle underneath inside the car
to point it at stuff. Was probably around 1958/62 years, was a longgggg time ago
so I can't remember dates. We lived in north east Manchester at the time.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Huggy on January 05, 2017, 05:10:03 PM +0000
2.17 in a Chapparal is the best Mr.Slow here can manage :) They make a nice noise though.   I had a two tone Velox when I was a lad; rusty old nail with the three-section rear window, and of course the ability to smack your knee on the projecting wrap-round bit on entry , take skin off your knuckles on the umbrella handbrake, and special bonus, empty half a pint of water into the tank after rain, if the drain holes in the pop-up filler were blocked!  
That was slow, but sounded nice too :)



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Erling G-P on January 05, 2017, 06:30:09 PM +0000
Just had a feel for the track and the 3-speed Chapparal yesterday.  Have hardly touched the setup at all yet, so probably room for improvement (although I most likely won't be able to unlock it..) Best lap was 2:11.6, with manual shifting and a rotten egg on both accelerator & brake pedal..  :)   Tyres were racing slicks.

Haven't tried the other cars yet, so no idea how it compares to them.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: EvilClive on January 05, 2017, 08:31:46 PM +0000
All this talk spurred me to try these new cars this evening. So, I fired up the 2G Chapp and promptly did a 360 spin...twice in the pit lane.

I had real problems driving the 3 speed 2G at any pace and the best lap I managed out of about 6 attempts, was a 2:24 with much grass cutting and swearing.
Rather than start working on the setup changes I felt I needed  to make the 2G go where I wanted, I decided to try another car from the list.

So I picked a car at random from the garage and ended up sitting in a Lola 350 Olds engine projectile...with 5 proper gears!!!  Just changed the steering ratio to suit my wheel settings and left the pits in a controlled manner.  ;)

I only had time for about 3-4 laps but was down to 2:15 with default setup and tyres on full fuel. Not sure if the posted lap times are on full tanks or not, but I am guessing that with a little more practice and learning the track properly I should match Erling's time.

I have to agree that these cars sound fantastic and the whole grid at full chat is going to be awesome. The only downside is those "racing slick" tyres and the excessive grip  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Erling G-P on January 05, 2017, 09:12:24 PM +0000
I only had time for about 3-4 laps but was down to 2:15 with default setup and tyres on full fuel. Not sure if the posted lap times are on full tanks or not, but I am guessing that with a little more practice and learning the track properly I should match Erling's time.

Mine was with an absolutely not full fuel tank :) - about 10 laps worth.  Haven't tried full tank yet, so no idea how much impact it will have.  Gotta try the other cars now  :)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Jeep on January 05, 2017, 09:32:53 PM +0000
You would think I might actually know what I'm doing with these beasties  given the amount of time I spent trying to get things right but if I'm honest I don't even know which car I'm taking for the 1st event yet..

So many different variations of tyres, chassis even engines trying to match these to the real life figures during the development of the mod it's difficult to recognise what I ended up with and what was abandoned.

Regarding the Chappy's....  They are configured to be semi Automatic just like the real versions, so can (Perhaps should) be driven with no clutch. The "clutch" pedal on the real ones controlled the wing angle but I've not found out a way of replicating this in GTL so the wing in game probably gives some drag on the straights but also some stability - Understeer?? in the corners. I spent a fair amount of time with these adjusting the driveline parameters in the files specifically the clutch engagement, torque and timings to try to replicate the slower but smoother characteristics of a Semi Automatic box.

They definitely need some thought given to the gearing and I've not found a set up yet for either which works at Mosport. But other than that track I'd take the 2G everywhere if it was a free choice.

The default set up's are if I'm honest very poor and were developed for a previous tyre set. Most will understeer something chronic apart from the M1B's which I find really lively when using the default.

Regarding Tony's comment about the screen going black under bridges etc.. Yes, Really annoys me too. I tried a few other GTL Can Am mods, 1 from the "Revelations Modding" team and also one converted by someone else over at Evo Modding and they all have the same issue.. probably because they all use the same donor car models (From "Sports Car GT" I think). Strangely the original "Absolute Can Am" mod for GTR2 doesn't have this issue so it must be something related to the conversion to GTL. The sounds in the GTR2 version are much better as well and were developed by "Midrew" I didn't use them as I couldn't contact him for permission but have since found a post by him giving anyone full permission to use them as long as credit is given so if we should move onto later season I will almost certainly use them next time.

So.... My times are fairly similar at Road America for all the cars at the moment (Low 2:12's - High 2:11's - other than the Olds powered M1B which seems to run out of puff on the long straights). I'm probably going to make my choice more based on eliminating cars from other tracks rather than the best car for this track.

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Erling G-P on January 05, 2017, 11:43:00 PM +0000
...The only downside is those "racing slick" tyres and the excessive grip  ::)

What are you moaning about ?  ;D  They possess so much power and raw speed, that even on these supposedly grippy slicks, it still feels like driving on ice..  8)

Just had some fun with a couple of Lolas & a McLaren.  Best lap in a Lola T70 350 was 2:10.6.  Subsequently had difficulty adapting to the lower reving and narrower powerband T70 362, but eventually got it down to 2:11.08.  To Clive's delight no doubt  ;), I have to say I find the brakes very difficult to judge on these two - very easy to lock up.

McLaren M1B Olds seemed the best handling of this trio, although it did exhibit a sneaky tendency to let the rear end out in high speed curves. Brakes much better, and much more suited to a bit of deamon braking ;)  Best lap was 2:11.6.  Puzzled to see in my hotlap replay that it was letting out quite a smokescreen several places around the track, when going full bore in 4th & 5th.  Must check the engine health to make sure it's not about to go bang.

All testing done with very minor tweaks to the default setups - haven't touched the suspension settings yet.

Kudos & thanks to John for his hard work in making this series a possibility.  Agree with others that sounds are already great, not least on the overrun - and love those blue-violet flames they're spitting  :)   If you have even better sounds in the drawer now, it would of course be awesome if they could be implemented later  :yes:

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Jeep on January 06, 2017, 12:24:22 AM +0000
I have to say I find the brakes very difficult to judge on these two - very easy to lock up.

At the risk of consigning myself to the back of the grid.... Play around with the brake pressure.. I'm running the M6A at around 84% It makes the brakes a lot more controllable.. The brakes are a bit of a throwback to the original tyres which had about 45% more grip. Brake balance also makes a huge difference to the feel on these.

Puzzled to see in my hotlap replay that it was letting out quite a smokescreen several places around the track, when going full bore in 4th & 5th.  Must check the engine health to make sure it's not about to go bang.

That's worrying. :( I have run all cars full distance and not had 1 blow up yet. Hopefully it's a "threshold" parameter in one of the files related to graphics only. But I'll have a look just in case.

TTFN
John.




Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Erling G-P on January 06, 2017, 12:49:55 AM +0000
I have to say I find the brakes very difficult to judge on these two - very easy to lock up.

At the risk of consigning myself to the back of the grid.... Play around with the brake pressure.. I'm running the M6A at around 84% It makes the brakes a lot more controllable.. The brakes are a bit of a throwback to the original tyres which had about 45% more grip. Brake balance also makes a huge difference to the feel on these.

Puzzled to see in my hotlap replay that it was letting out quite a smokescreen several places around the track, when going full bore in 4th & 5th.  Must check the engine health to make sure it's not about to go bang.

That's worrying. :( I have run all cars full distance and not had 1 blow up yet. Hopefully it's a "threshold" parameter in one of the files related to graphics only. But I'll have a look just in case.

TTFN
John.




Thanks regarding the brakes tip.  Did up the pressure for the McLaren to 90%, when coming from the other two, which I had lowered to 90%.  Will try and lower it even further and see if it helps.

Regarding the smoke; I must admit to having 'turned the wick up...'  :whistling:   Didn't notice any rapidly dropping health status though, but guess I'll have to look closer.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Erling G-P on January 08, 2017, 07:13:31 PM +0000
I have to say I find the brakes very difficult to judge on these two - very easy to lock up.

At the risk of consigning myself to the back of the grid.... Play around with the brake pressure.. I'm running the M6A at around 84% It makes the brakes a lot more controllable.. The brakes are a bit of a throwback to the original tyres which had about 45% more grip. Brake balance also makes a huge difference to the feel on these.

Puzzled to see in my hotlap replay that it was letting out quite a smokescreen several places around the track, when going full bore in 4th & 5th.  Must check the engine health to make sure it's not about to go bang.



That's worrying. :( I have run all cars full distance and not had 1 blow up yet. Hopefully it's a "threshold" parameter in one of the files related to graphics only. But I'll have a look just in case.

TTFN
John.




Thanks regarding the brakes tip.  Did up the pressure for the McLaren to 90%, when coming from the other two, which I had lowered to 90%.  Will try and lower it even further and see if it helps.

Regarding the smoke; I must admit to having 'turned the wick up...'  :whistling:   Didn't notice any rapidly dropping health status though, but guess I'll have to look closer.

Cheers,
Erling

Can now confirm that the smoke was due to me having upped the rev limit. With it turned down to default, the smoke went away.  Engine health was dropping, although not at a particularly alarming rate.  It still drops at the default limit, although a bit slower.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: phspok on January 09, 2017, 08:51:40 PM +0000
That was really annoying.... threaded through the mess at the start, then spun, and could not fin reverse!
I suspect it doesn't have one. Cods. My only race for weeks, and it lasted 2 laps/.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: EvilClive on January 09, 2017, 08:55:59 PM +0000
I did not last much longer  :-\  Got a wheel on the grass and should have backed off, but kept the boot in hoping to pull back onto tarmac. Instead went straight into haybales and broke something important in the suspension dept.
Definitely struggling with these beasts and cannot get a "comfortable" feel in them yet. Thus I am wrestling the beast for the whole lap. Great as a workout, useless for racing!!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Bob M. on January 09, 2017, 09:39:14 PM +0000
Great race for me, not fast, but steady.   One mistake overrunning T1 and it cost me a place but I'm sure I would have lost it anyway.  After lap 1 I just pushed F1 into auto shift and concentrated on hitting my braking points, 3 speeds is enough for this track.  Thanks John for all your work on getting the cars right for us and Tony for his  organizing.  Seems to me to be a good replacement for the LM55 cars IMHO!!!

Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 09, 2017, 09:56:09 PM +0000
Replay and results now posted.

I just need to get the Chevy Lola recognised by the system.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on January 09, 2017, 10:36:45 PM +0000
https://youtu.be/4kPGOpC0LlQ (https://youtu.be/4kPGOpC0LlQ)

Onboard is McLaren M6 B time 2:06,233, I used McLaren M6 A my time could be 2:07,0   2:06,9 but not possible know I meet another car after Kick corner and I lost the best line. The driver on the video has the advantage of kerbs.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 09, 2017, 10:40:25 PM +0000
That was really annoying.... threaded through the mess at the start, then spun, and could not fin reverse!
I suspect it doesn't have one. Cods. My only race for weeks, and it lasted 2 laps/.
It does have a reverse gear Matt  ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: phspok on January 09, 2017, 10:47:33 PM +0000
mine doesn't


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Jeep on January 09, 2017, 11:08:55 PM +0000
Well, I'm pleased with my 3rd place but less than impressed with how I drove. I did wonder if I went a bit too far when reducing the grip of these beasts until Ziu posted a very low 2:07 in Q. (Over 4 seconds quicker than Bruce managed in 1967). Now I realise I should  just acknowledge I am in the presence of greatness. It didn't quite become the Bruce and Denny show rather the Ziu and Erling show. But both Bruce McLaren and Phil Hill though would be proud.

I was still on a short list of 3 cars last night and probably spent too much time alternating between them when I should have made my decision about a week ago.

Qualified in 3rd with a high 2:08 and got a great start, Ziu and Erling hit the power a bit too early slid off stage left and I was through followed closely by Clive in the Lola. Clive went off half way through the 1st lap and I seemed to have everything under control. Nice and easy, take no chances then on Lap 3 I got cocky, hit the power a little too early after the tight left hander at the end of the Moraine Sweep and drove into the barrier which bent the steering. Recovered only losing the lead to Ziu. Continued at a slower pace working out what I might have broken and decided apart from a desire not to turn left I could live with it. Slowly extended the gap to Bob who was then replaced by Erling and the gap started to come down at an alarming rate. Watched it shrink until he got me in the entry to the tight left at the bottom of the Hurry Downs consequently I began to push a bit to hard and eventually ran very wide around Lap 8 at the final turn and Erling was long gone but I still had a healthy lead over 4th. Then had a horrible few laps where I miss just about every braking point and apex which got Bill back to within around 10 seconds at 1 stage before I gave myself a severe talking to and calmed down to bring it home.

They didn't quite give the close racing I had hoped for and we were a bit spread out by the end which was a disappointment but there is no doubting that Ziu and Erling have the measure of these and had Erling not lost so much time at the start he may have given Ziu a good run for his 1st place.

Thanks all for making this 1 it was important to me to see as many as possible on the starting grid.

Not sure what the problem was with Reverse Matt. All cars definitely do have reverse.  ???

TTFN
John.
 


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Erling G-P on January 09, 2017, 11:53:47 PM +0000
This certainly promises to be a great series. Always lowed the beastly cars, and these truly fits the bill  :)

Coming back to the Chaparral after trying all the others in offline practice, it quickly became my fastest option by a fairly long shot.  However, when joining online, my revcounter needle was gone.  No amount of button pressing and suggestions from Matt & others (thanks) would bring it back.  Initially exited, deleted all Chaparral files & folders bar my setups, and reinstalled the cars.  Didn't help.  Going offline, it was now gone too. Pressing "4" brought it back. Great! Online again, only to find it gone once more, and here "4" did nothing.  Just had to do without it - once going, I could rely on the shift light of the gear indicator.

Not quite satisfied with my performance in qual.  Had done a 2:07.6 offline, but couldn't even get within ½ a sec of this online; somehow seemed like the car had less grip, but probably just me.

Getting off the line in the Chaparral was always going to be difficult - had to get enough wheelspin not to bog down, but no so much as to lose control.  Without a needle in the revcounter, it just became impossible.  Had to rely on sound, but naturally couldn't hear a thing with the entire field around me.  Thus bogged down, got a tap from Geoffers, then too much wheelspin, careening onto the shoulder after Ziu, giving him a bump in the right direction, but spinning myself round.  Had to let the whole field past, and then couldn't get the rears spinning and had to reverse to get turned around  :taz:

Thus 13th and very much last when I got going, chasing after the field. Gained 5 places on L1, mostly from others going off.  Came upon Tony & Geoffers. Geoffers' car was trailing sparks in places, so wondered if it was damaged.  Squeezed past at the end of the start/finish, and next outbraked Tony (and myself) at the end of the 2nd straight, so he easily made the classic dive under, to retake the position.  Couple corners later, the rear got away from him momentarily, leaving a hole big enough for me to zip past.

Spend more time chasing Bob in 3rd and eventually caught him. Hadn't quite planned to pass him when I did, but was caught out when he braked sooner than expected, and thus had to dive for the inside.

Next and final victim was John.  Spend many laps to reel him in, making it more difficult for myself by overestimating the grip of my not so pristine tyres, and by catching traffic in bad places (thanks to all I lapped for helping me past).  Eventually did catch and pass him, like he described.  He went wide at the end of that lap, and thus the 2nd half of the race was quite lonely.

Ziu was 26 secs ahead at this point, and the following laps saw the gap drop by about a sec each lap, so obviously I wouldn't catch him with the remaining laps.  He could probably also have upped the pace, had I been a threat, so had to settle for 2nd - and shouldn't be unhappy about that, with such a disastrous start  :)

Matt: I used the same car as you, and mine most definitely had reverse.  Didn't you lose it before, at Porto last year, if my memory serves me correctly, so perhaps a control issue ?

Huggy: Glad you made it this time.  Did notice your car lagging badly, especially late in the race. Wondering if it may have played a part in your problem in the Boss Mustang race, whatever the reason might be.  Your nationality doesn't suggest it, but are you geographically far from the server ?   Or could it perhaps be someone else in the household hogging all the bandwidth ?

Grats to Ziu on the win & John on the final podium (just realised we're team mates  :))

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: phspok on January 10, 2017, 07:01:08 AM +0000
Tried just now, and it has reverse. But. Only with auto gears, and once it goes into reverse it then won't select any forward gears
tried withor without auto clutch, and only difference is that it stalls the engine without.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on January 10, 2017, 07:49:13 AM +0000
These time network was good and i could finish race. CAN AM mod has 8 cars, 2 Chaparral, 3 Lola and 3 McLaren.......Chaparral 2E and 2G, McLaren M6 A and Lola T 70 350ci are racing cars, the others 4 making machines carousel good just for luna park.
These racing cars are on the same level, all under 2:08, i choice McLaren M6 because gears, Road America not is Ziu track without corners complex so i needed good traction and McLaren on these track has. Qualy with McLaren could be 2:06,9 but i meet another driver with luna park car between corners 12 and 13 and i lost 3/10 - 4/10 on my best lap.
About race hemmmmm......sorry but i saved 1 second my best with fuel on practice was 2:08,0......07 possible with race fuel ? Yes. But after that i saw the Jeep spin and my advantage became large i prefered put myself in standby with 26 seconds on Erling why push ? Yesterday i had also hard day with job so i prefered slow down 1 second, i had hungry also, no so it was better slow down.
The only question without answer is........what could happened if Geoffers drove McLaren M6............?  It was possible that i not could rest during the race.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 10, 2017, 09:03:59 AM +0000
Tried just now, and it has reverse. But. Only with auto gears, and once it goes into reverse it then won't select any forward gears
tried withor without auto clutch, and only difference is that it stalls the engine without.
Think mine works with manual Matt  ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Huggy on January 10, 2017, 09:29:46 AM +0000
I pursued a "steady drive" policy, trying to be consistent and not go off - cos these can go a very long way off on this track - and it paid off with one of my better results, a good one, thanks.  I can confirm, by the way, my Chapparal does have reverse in manual mode; I fpund that out plenty of times while practicing!  Only when I go to Neutral with an assigned button first though, then use the paddle, and the same to go back to 1st.

Erling : regarding your post
"Huggy: Glad you made it this time.  Did notice your car lagging badly, especially late in the race. Wondering if it may have played a part in your problem in the Boss Mustang race, whatever the reason might be.  Your nationality doesn't suggest it, but are you geographically far from the server ?   Or could it perhaps be someone else in the household hogging all the bandwidth ?"


Not far from a server as these things go, but even with a decent ISP (PlusNet) the fibre round here is not as fast as it might be, but it's the first mention I've had of any lag, which of course I didn't notice. No one else home at the time either! Any suggestions?

Huggy


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: roguk on January 10, 2017, 11:10:47 AM +0000
Disapointing race for me, got a puncture on lap 1 (never had a puncture in GTL) took me a whole lap to realise what was wrong with car then another lap to crawl back to pits (greyed out wheel in xd) rest of race lonely at back apart from when being lapped.

Great mod Jeep the Chaparral 3G was a joy to drive.

Grats to Ziu on win

Grats to Podium


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Jeep on January 10, 2017, 11:27:25 AM +0000
Hi Matt
I've not found any issues with reverse on any of the Can Am cars but I have had problems in the past (With even default GTL cars).

Not sure what type of shifting you use? (Shifter, paddles,buttons).

I used to have a problem where the last gear was always selected and sometimes it would not recognise reverse. The solution for me was to change the "plr" file. "Gear Select Button Hold" from 0 ->1. Not sure if this helps. I guess it only applies to shifter setups.

Also I have accidentally assigned reverse to a different function when I have forgotten to put the stick in neutral when adding an assignment.

TTFN
John


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: phspok on January 10, 2017, 11:31:40 AM +0000
Thanks Guys
I can't get neutral either, so that may be part of the issue. This machine is not the one
I race on mostly, so the setup is different, like it doesn't have a working XB even though the files are there
I will play with it later.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: 55steve55 on January 10, 2017, 12:08:57 PM +0000
Really enjoyed last nights race, despite being the last over the line - someone has to  :D

I adopted a cautious start from the back of the grid which appeared to pay off as within seconds I could see on the horizon at least one car veer violently first to the left armco and then straight across the track to the right in a cloud of smoke, with everyone else losing time and positions avoiding the mayhem. I haven't checked the stats yet, but within a few corners I'd gained 4 places. Knowing that quali times were a true indication of pace, I was thereafter checking my rear mirror for the usual suspects to regain their ground and retake me, which they did.

Although these cars are a real handful, they are a fantastic challenge to keep the traction in check and I agree with earlier comments about this series having the potential to be one of the best for a number of years.

A succession of driving errors made sure I wasn't going to challenge anyone else and for the last 4 laps I ran with a blown front left, leaving a long tyre mark and smoke to go with it, but near zero control. But I did achieve my aim of finishing the race.

Grats to Ziu and all those who crossed the finishing line  :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Erling G-P on January 10, 2017, 01:52:54 PM +0000
Matt: I ran my usual setup of manual gear with auto clutch.  Going into reverse, I first have to shift into neutral, via assigned button, and then click my downshift paddle. To move forward again, I must then switch to neutral via the same button, and then click the upshift paddle.  If you couldn't select neutral, that's probably the explanation.

Huggy: I have heard of wireless or sattelite internet connections having a delay that might affect gaming, but you mention fiber.  Thus at a loss to explain why you should lag - the data amounts sent by this more than 10 years old game should be modest by any standards, so I can't believe it would max out even a slow fiber connection.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: SpecialKS on January 10, 2017, 07:08:04 PM +0000
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/CANAM_RAmerica_09012017)

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Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 10, 2017, 11:59:26 PM +0000
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/CANAM_RAmerica_09012017)

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Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1967 Can-Am - Road America - Jan 9
Post by: Geoffers on January 11, 2017, 12:53:51 PM +0000

The only question without answer is........what could happened if Geoffers drove McLaren M6............?  It was possible that i not could rest during the race.

No idea Ziu, the larger engined Lola I drove was the only car I tried. Rather than spend a little time on each car I decided just to concentrate on one, although from others posts it seems that the smaller Chevy powered Lola is quicker!  ::)

Start of the race was a disaster, I had 4 collisions before the first corner! Firstly Erling bogged down & I rear-ended him, then someone hit me from behind, almost got straightened up when a car passing on the right clipped me & sent me off onto the grass. Car didn't spin but shot back across the track, got it sorted & was heading trackwards when another car slammed into the back of me! :helpsmilie: I expected the car to now be undriveable but it actually worked quite well afterwards.

The damage definitely slowed the car on the straights though & I was only able to lap in the 2.13-2.14 range, as opposed to the regular 2.11s I was doing in practice. Still after all that I was more than happy to finish 4th. Will have to be a bit better prepared for the next CanAm race, still they are great fun to drive.  ;D

Congrats to the podium.  :clap: :clap: :clap: