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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (28 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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So what times are the  :alien:'s doing aroung here then?

Will be unfortunately missing this one as away for a week without my PC :( but will definitely be ready for Saltzburgring the week after.

Well, I certainly don't put myself in the  :alien: category but for reference high 1:25's in the 350ci Lola T70.

I know it will probably be etched on my gravestone but I think we should have cuts off here, many places you can get completely lost in the undergrowth and take ages to even find the track and still get a S&G. Also the pit lane limiter doesn't seem to work here for me.  :wacko:

And boy is it a bumpy track.

TTFN
John.

Ok John, I'll turn cuts off

Also laps reduced to 28.

I'm at 1:28 in the Lola 362 & 372.  Haven't tweaked the setups much yet.  Completely baffled by the exceptionally broad adjustment range on all the suspension parameters,  Trying just a fair bit of all the permutations would take weeks..  ::)

Cheers,
Erling

I have just downloaded the Can-Am Series cars. My first impression driving one was, wow, these beasts certainly grab your attention. :eek:
 
I remember seeing the Chaparral at Brands Hatch in about the mid sixties .I thought it was the open cockpit version and was the first time in the UK. I took a photo of the winged wonder in the pits but having looked for it in vain decided that it must have got lost during a chaotic house move thirty odd years ago. I lost a box contain old Motor Sport, Autosport and other motoring magazines dating from the early fifties (all in mint condition) plus about half of my photographs of motor racing.

I did find some interesting photographs of other cars though (Black and White in those days) so the search was not totally wasted.

I remember the Chaparral caused quite a stir as nothing like its technology had been seen before by most of the motor racing fraternity. I can’t remember who drove it. I’m sure the name Jim Hall cropped up in conversations but it was probably someone else driving. I don’t remember where it finished but I think it led the race at some point. I researched a bit and see the closed cockpit version was successful at Brands in 1967. So maybe my memory failed a little and this is what I witnessed. :whistling:

Memories from a previous life I guess but now I have chance to drive a Chaparral online. If possible I will try to make the race Monday and try to drive the Chaparral in semi auto mode.  :)

My memories of trips to Brands only go back to the mid eighties. Those photos sound really special - are you willing to share them with us?

Yes, I’m sure it can be done. I will have to connect up my old scanner, scan a few and upload them to a site. Then post a link. Unless there is a better way? I will do it over the next few days. ;)

I look forward to seeing them.

+1 - thanks in advance :rockon:

Can't find the server in GTL as at 1.10pm Friday -  the usual Altbierbude ones are there, no GTL Mondays Bridgehampton. General problem, or just me? 

Either it wasn't re-started after last nights RRE or it's lost it's lobby connection.

I can not fix until tonight so perhaps a server fairy can  :helpsmilie:

No worries Tony, just wanted to check, as I had a bit of a hiccup with GTL earlier.

Server is ok now

After a problem with outdated software on my scanner I think I have now fixed it and scanned half a dozen pictures taken in the mid-sixties in the pits at Brands Hatch. These cars were at the cutting edge of technology at the time. I have joined a file hosting site and uploaded them into a folder. I have provided a link. I don't know if this will work but if it does then I can add some more photographs to the folder.

Please let me know if it works.Sometimes I don't know exactly what I'm doing but I usually get it to work eventually. There may be a better way of doing this.

https://sabercathost.com/folder/4963/Brands_Hatch_60_s_Car_pictures (https://sabercathost.com/folder/4963/Brands_Hatch_60_s_Car_pictures)

It works, but it's a bit long winded, they want you to pay money to get a faster download
Consider dropbox/photobucket maybe Amazon S3 or google's cloudy thing. Microsoft and apple have
similar things,.

Is "cloudy thing" a techie term?   ;D 

I use Photobucket. It's fast and free (but you do get a load of adverts in your mailbox)

I thought it referred to a type of Cider.  :laugh:

I will look at another hosting site. You can see many of the same cars at Historic Motor Racing events now and can take nice colour photographs of them.

I had a few photos that included the racing personalities of the sixties period. I seem to have lost most of them but found a few. One of Bruce McLaren and Tony Maggs. Another of a Coventry Climax engine and the back of Jim Clarks head. I think I had photos of John Surtees, Mike Hailwood and people like Paddy Hopkirk and the Mini Cooper Racing team and other less known drivers and cars but can’t find them now.

I will scan and upload a few sometime as they show how far motor racing has come with today’s pit facilities. I still think the racing was much more exiting back then (Rose Tinted Specs optional).  ;D

Great pictures (especially my all time fav cars AM DP 212-215) - thanks for sharing  :)

I have decided to drive the Chaparral 2E 327CI for the race and use the Auto Box option to be more authentic. I am finding it very difficult with the 2 speed gearbox (much easier using the manual H change). I have spent a lot of time experimenting with different ratios. The main problem is getting it to change down before the corner and not after the accident. At last I think I have found a setup that is close although I have to be an early breaker on some corners.
 
I wish it was a Rolling Start, I have a very high first gear. If by any chance anyone is behind me on the grid please pass. I will stay to the side but inside the track. I will very slow off the line.

I will certainly try to make this race. My goal will be just to finish. If I can that will be enough fun and exhilaration for one evening.

Just frit m'self with an OMG lap,  :eek: how did I complete this lap and still managed to be about 10 sec down on quoted times!

My best is a 1:31.7 in not the fastest car but the car I can actually complete a lap with (sometimes).

 :D 1:31.6 in the Chaparral 2E so far  :P

Hi Misnoimis
The Chappy is a Semi Auto not full auto.. It should be driven using the gears but no clutch (Instead of a clutch there was a pedal to control the wing angle - Not Modelled).

The model has been built with this in mind and the clutch slip, engagement, disengagement etc are all set up so that it should be faster to drive it that way.

I've dropped the idea of using the Lola here.. It will require a bit of jiggling of my remaining rides but I'm actually finding the M1B (331) is the fastest over race distance.. It's power (Or lack of it) seems to make it a lot more stable than the others  on this bumpy rollercoaster of a track and seems to give me the best possibility of survival here.

A lot of the corners here can be taken a lot quicker than you think.

T1-2 is still one of my favourite corners on any race track, Really satisfying when you nail it. A world of hurt if you cock it up.

TTFN
John.

Great pictures, always glad of any more you can dig out.  :thumbup1:

Thanks, I knew the Clutch pedal operated the wing (Wikipedia) but thought it was an auto box. I got interested when I could not find my old photo of it (remembering what an impact it made at the time) and did a bit of research. I have included an extract from an article I have found online about Chaparral Racing Cars. I think it confuses the issue of the box a bit but I’m sure you are right. I would not have a clue myself.

“For an old racer, the 2E is a cinch to operate. Shifting in old race cars often takes some skill because few of them have synchromesh gearsets and most have tricky, heavy clutches, but you just press the gas and go in the 2E. At first, the way in which the torque converter transmits power feels weird, as if the clutch were slipping. But the power delivery is incredibly smooth, and that, combined with excellent traction for a car designed in the mid-1960s, ensures that it puts down its 524 horsepower with minimal fuss. Once the tires get warm, the throttle can be floored without the car snapping sideways, even in low-speed corners. Another advantage of the torque-converter transmission is that left-foot braking is intuitive. Hall discovered the advantages in the 1960s—specifically, that a driver doesn't waste any time making shifts and can balance the car on corner entry with the brake and throttle, minimizing the effects of load transfer. Another advantage of the torque-converter transmission is that left-foot braking is intuitive. Hall discovered the advantages in the 1960s—specifically, that a driver doesn't waste any time making shifts and can balance the car on corner entry with the brake and throttle, minimizing the effects of load transfer.”


http://www.caranddriver.com/features/chaparral-2e


BTW my times are surprisingly good looking at the times posted for the car by others. Still slow but no disgrace. The trouble is I never reproduce my practice times on race day. Probably because I usually practice early in the week and don’t look at GTL again until the race most times. No excuse this time, I have practiced today. Looking forward to the race and hoping it won’t be a disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV59PJFc_5o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV59PJFc_5o)

Interesting Kurt, they did a rolling start.

Yes, I noticed that as well, I was not aware of any rolling starts in the Can Am 67 season. You learn something new every day.

TTFN
John

What an awesome race. A lot of very interesting motor racing facts to be learned on SimRacing.org GTL.
 
I will scan and upload some pics including Bruce McLaren and the Cooper Racing cars in the next few days.

BTW thanks for all the info Jeep.

Much as it pains me to say.......I will be missing this race.  :-\

I have tickets to see Brit Floyd,  who are a Pink Floyd tribute band, and are reputed to be very, very good.

It will allow someone else to come last.  ;)

You'll be missed, but have a good time!  :)

Cheers,
Erling

I can't make it either, as I am down in Coventry this week.

That's another "Brick in the Wall" for this Event!  ????

Server says: Game not available. ...  ???  Is it me or the server?

It was ok earlier, let me check

EDIT: Server is fine, some on it already

I think it's me because there are some guys online now, but haven't changed something on my install ???

Have to give this one a miss as I cannot join the server. Tried with another install which worked fine (but CANAM not installed over there).

Will make a new install.

Have fun!

Well that didn't last very long!  ::) Got a twitch into T2 and lost it, straight into Armco and an early shower.  >:( :rockon:

Replay and results now posted

Not a good reintroduction to GTL for me. At about the third corner got hit by a car bouncing off a tyre wall and spinning back across the track. Then by a couple of following cars knocking me into the undergrowth.  I found my way back to the track but by then was last by far. I remembered what GTL can be like. The car felt a bit bouncy after that but I resisted the temptation to pit and see if it needed repairs and drove on. I had a few doggy moments and one insane one when I bounced off the track and took an unintended short cut luckily not involving any other cars. I had planned to keep out of trouble but the best laid plans…

I tried to have a bit of fun with Huggy towards the end of the race but I think I need a bit more practice.

Grats to winner and podiums. Nice Series with interesting cars. :thumbup1:

Well what a load of manure that turned out to be.  Countless practice laps honing the setup all for nothing, thanks to one little, stupid mistake  :censored:

Started out promising enough, with a dream start where I stole positions from both Ziu and local super-starter John, slipping into 2nd behind Geoffers.  Had to hand it to John on L1, when I went a bit wide through a corner, due to cold tyres.  He and Geoff slowly extended a gap, while behind, Ziu was chasing me.

After a few laps, Geoffers & John were some 4 secs ahead, while Ziu had fallen back after a couple of offs, giving me a comfortable 3rd.  Then disaster struck. At the end of The Valley of the Lefts, I went wide onto the sand.  Couldn't prevent the car from flying across the dunes, ending on the other side of The Lightbulb Turn, upside down and sliding across the track. Geoff & John roared past, and by the time the car was righted and I got going again, I most certainly hadn't gained any time.  Going back across the dunes to the point I went off seemed quite impossible, so continued from the place I was at.  A mistake, as the game disregarded the lap, and with one swift, technical stroke, I was 1 lap behind everyone else !!!  :(

Thus basically had to gain places back by lapping people - so to speak.  Went as far as 5th, when I passed Tony, but then had 48 secs to Bob and 6 laps to go, so impossible to advance further.  Catching Tony turned out to be a real problem, thanks to the massive smoke screen he was putting out.  Couldn't see where I was going, or where my brake points were through the fastest section and corners of the track, so had to back off.  A clever ploy maybe, but not quite sporting..  ;)

Grats to the podium.

Cheers,
Erling

Had my CanAm folder installed in the F1_67 GTL install which is not used at the moment. Worked fine and without any problems during the first event.
Didn't change anything and it still worked fine offline but when trying to join the server I got the message "game not available - host is using another or modified game". Strange  ??? !
First I deleted F1_67: still the same. So I decided to create a complete new GTL install simply by copy & paste files from some of my other regular GTL installs (using the smallest
folders each in order to gain some time ::) ) and it worked  :P. Could rejoin the game just a minute before the start.

Race - consequentially in last place as I had only about 5 or 6 laps offline praccy but after all with some new pb's (always practicing offline as I still run XP on my old pc as I'm aware that there is some security risk to use it online, if not absolutely necessary. My new pc runs W10 but I don't have any confidence in it and I'm thinking about going down to W7 for a new GTL istall on this new pc. On all my machines I'm running multi-boot combinations with Linux Mint which I'm very satisifed with, first of all but of course not only for security reasons - unfortunately GTL doesn't run with Linux  :( ). After some offs I decided to quit as I reached my today's personal goal to rejoin the server.

Results to be posted tonight.

Tough track in these cars, a small mistake can result in a big 'off'.

Chose the M6 McLaren as I thought it may handle well here, but had lots of problems keeping it on the track in testing until I realised I was using the 'Endurance' tyres! Put the 'Racing' tyres on & immediately went 3s faster  ::). On joining the server I saw that Ziu & Erling were doing laptimes around what I had managed in testing so it looked like being a close race. Did a 24.8 early in qually but then Ziu did 24.3 & I didn't think I could better that, but after many laps I got a 24.2 which I thought may nick pole position only for John to do a 23.3 moments later  :o. Way out of reach I thought, but one final lap on fresh tyres got me to 23.6, not too far off.

Got away well at the start & grabbed the lead with Erling in 2nd in his red Lola. Half way around the first lap I glanced at the mirror & thought 'Erling's car has lost its white stripe, hang on a minute that's a McLaren', John was already through to 2nd & by the last turn was right on my tail. The M6 power got me away from his M1 on the S/F straight but by Millstone Turn he was right behind again. John clearly had the M1 setup well & was much quicker than me in the corners, so I needed to keep it tidy in the corners & use the straight line advantage to hold the lead. Worked for a few laps but then I ran wide out of the first corner in the Valley of the Lefts & John went through.

Tried to hang on but John was a second a lap quicker & soon disappeared into the distance. Had a comfortable gap back to Ziu who was now 3rd after Erling's 'moment', so just concentrated on keeping the car on the track & not risking it too much. Had a couple of moments when I got 2 wheels on the sand, but in the end I was happy to come home in 2nd place.

Congrats to John (inspired car choice & superbly driven) & Ziu.  :clap: :clap:

That race was just to good to be true.  Sorry to Erling for his off which gave me 4th, but even with that I never thought I would finish that good.  Just drove the track and had my Mac setup very docile with the suspension and shocks very soft because of the humpty bumps.  Had one "off" going down into the Valley but just zoomed through the weeds and brush and came on before the "light bulb".   I'm sure that Matt and Clive would have pushed me farther back in the field, and I would have had a more normal finish place had they been there.  Well on to Salzburgring.  Am going to try to tame the Cobra there.  Has the top speed for that long straight.

Thanks for the race!!!
Bob M.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcvNebob2pw

Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Bridgehampton 06032017)

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I have uploaded eight more photos to Sabercat File Hosting Site folder (Brands Hatch mid 60's Cars). Same Link. Pictures numbered 7 – 14. Sorry if it’s slow to access.

https://sabercathost.com/folder/4963/Brands_Hatch_60_s_Car_pictures

Cheers

misnoimis

Well, that went better than I had dared hope for.

I seem to have found the "Golden Ticket" as far as the little M1B set up is concerned, at least at Bridgehampton.

Found a qualifying time which beat my previous best by over a second and felt pretty damm good sitting on pole position for the 1st time. Unfortunately it seems that the start fairy has found other things to do on a Monday night and I got mugged off the line 1st by Geoffers and then Erling so was 3rd by T1. Erling ran a little wide at T4 and that was all the invitation I needed to hug the inside and set off after Geoffers in the M6A Managed to get onto his tail by the exit of the lightbulb and was still with him into the final corner. Then a reality check as he just cruised away from me towards T1 and this became the story of the 1st 5 laps or so. Such was the speed difference on the straight I wasn't even touching the brakes through T1-2 just a slight lift to try to carry as much momentum as possible onto the Millstone Straight. Eventually Geoffers put 2 wheels on the sand exiting "Echo Valley" and I got through. Slowly eased away over the following laps only to get it very wrong into T9 at the end of the "Valley of the Lefts" and was lucky not to go straight on and do an Erling. Fortunately a spin back across the track and hurt pride was the only result (Apart from losing 5 seconds of my precious lead). The rest of the race was pretty uneventful. Lapping other cars could have been a nightmare here being so narrow and bumpy but everyone was really considerate. The only issue I had was catching Tony's McLaren as he was making a lot of smoke and I couldn't judge exactly where he was on the track. I saw Erling slide across the track in front of Geoffers and me early on as we exited LightBulb and later saw a Chappy pointing at me 12 o/c High at the same place as they launched themselves out of the undergrowth.

There seems a definite pecking order in these. The McLarens generally seem fairly closely matched (Other than top speed of the Little M1B) and also the Chaparrals are similar but different and a good match for the McLarens. The Lola's are a bit disappointing and I don't get on with them, the 350 seeming to be the best of a bad bunch to me. I've used up both my McLaren rides now and while I know where I'm running the Chaparrals (and by default the Lola's) I still have no idea which Lola's to run and I think I'm in for a few lean races with those.

Also.. Tony asked me about rolling starts and I said I wasn't aware they used them. Well as the youtube link posted by Eifelblitz shows they were used, further digging shows a rolling start was used at Road America as well.. Should we consider using them for the remainder of the series? Would it make life easier? (Just thinking out loud).

For anyone who still has M1B rides left I've uploaded the set up I used at Bridgehampton (In the Bridgehampton folder). Not sure if it will translate to the M1B 377ci as well but if anyone wants to download it as a starting point for other tracks be my guest.

TTFN
John.
 

Missed your post, thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:

Very uneventful race for me which is unusual at Bridgehampton as I usually end up off track somewhere or another. But the car was great to drive but with very soft suspension. The steering was still unnerved by the rough track though. It seems that having the revs set at there highest produced a trail of white smoke but only on the uphill start/finish straight. Sorry to other drivers for the visibility problems I was inadvertently causing.