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Track: Laguna Seca '67 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg187122#post_laguna1967)

Cars allowed: Can-Am car pack Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_canam_1967)

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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (36 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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I know it will probably be etched on my tombstone but....

Any chance of cuts off for this one.. There are a few annoying opportunities with only 2 wheels off the tarmac where the track police are eager to give you a S&G. Also the pit area on the right of the SF straight (Not used for pit stops even in the race) will give you one as well. I don't think there is any of us who would intentionally cheat by taking a short cut and all 4 wheels on the track surface is definitely the quickest way around so pointless to penalise someone for making an error.

Anyone got any times to share? I'm taking the Chappy 2E so won't be troubling anyone around here but for reference I'm in the low 1:04's on a good day.

TTFN
John.
 

Looks like Tony's pics are gone now too.   :(  Photobucket is killing itself.  ???

Yep, I'll enjoy watching Photobucket's demise.

For those who are not aware; Photobucket offered free photo/picture hosting and many people, including myself, used their 3rd party hosting to add images to this site. With the minimum of notice Photobucket denied this service and instead offered it for $300 per year.
Needless to say I, and I suspect many other's, will not be forking out dosh to these latter day pirates.
So until a replacement host is found we are stuck with this annoying Photobucket ransom note.

Well, I'm not quicker than that in the non-Chappys I've testet, so you'll be troubling me  ;D

Cheers,
Erling

If you tested McLaren and you dont get sub 1:04 you're really in trouble. I think that with McLaren M1B should be possible 1:02

For you perhaps, but I'm unfortunately human  ;)

Did test the M1B, but with present setup, it's close to being undriveable. Any throttle application through corners and the rear kicks out, even in moderate 5th gear kinks.  Setup would definitely need a lot of work, with no guarantee at all that I'll be able to improve it.

Cheers,
Erling

Mine is a prediction but if you balance M1B anyone cannot beat you.

Damn if I could drive M1B here...... !!!!!!!!!!   With this car I could do Turkish things (http://www.vocinelweb.it/faccine/tristi/37.gif)

"Turkish things"
I am intrigued....????  like steam baths? or rose flavoured sugar things?
or funky bowls?

(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/phspok1/Turkish-Bowls-770261.JPG)

If I remember I'll do it tonight John

Exactly !  I seen that you understood well what I wanted say. Very Good !  Go head so, Matt !

Damn if I could drive M1B.....!!!

Now I am very confused  ???

For what ?

Please be kind to me as you lap me!!!  In the 427/Chap I'm mostly in the 08 to 10 range with race fuel.  I agree with the cut turn off comments.  Off please...

Bob M.

With this car I could do Turkish things

I have no idea what that means

OK I explain,  it s for say that if I could drive McLaren I can do something of special as did John at Bridgehampton or Ziu at Mosport. We use say so sometime.

Must be an Italian thing. Never heard that saying before.

Nor I... must be like "White Pig" as one of Manteos friends once talked about.
Or like "Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs" (An obscure Lancastian saying for being surprised)  :laugh:

Cuts are off

I think my car record may be inaccurate. I drove a Chappy at Road America, but dropped out early
I drove an M1B at Mosport as well.

Sorry Matt, now updated.  :notworthy:

Ta  ;D

I tried a few cars this afternoon, and I can just get the M1B into the 1:05s but I am hardly
doing Turkish things.  :-[ The Chappys are much the same times, though I like the little one better
Not sure which M1B Ziu means? either way I am not going to be seeing 1:02s in it.
I hope Ziu appreciates that he is responsible for adding yet another weird and wonderfull phrase
into the english language  ;D

About M1B, mine was a prediction and I repeat M1B need be balanced well and this not easy. Who think to take M1B and get immediately speed and lap record, he wrong. The only one that can understand what I m saying is John. Anyway here the Turn4 decide the setup and on this track with CAN AM cars not possible have a perfect balance.

Just a heads up guys; this is one of those tracks where the black tyre marks on track disappear under race & qual conditions, so anyone relying on those for braking points and/or corner lines beware.

Cheers,
Erling

I shall be leaving my own black marks at each corner, most of which will be heading into the adjoining countryside.  Therefore, if you do see any black marks and use them as a brake marker, it is probably too late and you can join me in the undergrowth!!  ;).

 ::) CLive sandbagging as usual.....

Plenty of sand about, but cannot find any bags to use. :-\

Having looked at my remaining car choices, I think I will have to grapple with a Chapperal and the unfamiliar 2 speed or 3 speed gearboxes. My record with these beasts is not very good, even in the easier to drive cars. TBH we have this group of cars over at GPL and I am no better at driving them in that sim!

I did a couple of laps last night, just to check that the server/cars/circuit setup was OK and found that judging the braking without locking up and ploughing straight on ( should I be reducing the "brake efficiency" percentage?), or feeding in the power without spinning the rear end around in a complete 180 were the biggest problems.

Also, one of the biggest issues for me was the engine sound on the Chapp. The engine note via that gearbox always seems to be too slow and unrelated to the speed of the car, and getting used to such huge torque with such low revs when exiting corners is taking some time to get used to.

Hope to get a few more laps practice in pre-race this evening, but lap times of 1:04 or even 1:02 sound like complete dreamland from where I am at the moment. With such a short lap I hope I can keep out of the way of the leaders as they lap us lesser mortals and keep the beast on the grey stuff until the flag.............maybe get my first finish in Can Ams??!!

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Can only lap in the 2:16/15s, when I try and drive faster I have insufficiently delicate control and feel with my left foot and ankle!  :wheelchair: So I actually weave/spin and hit a barrier or flip over it wrecking my car. Doubt I'll last long tonight.  ::)  :rockon:

Clive:
The sound pattern of the Chappy is because of the torgue converter used in the drive train.  They probably used around a 3K RPM stall speed.  This means it really didn't hook up and transfere much power until this RPM.  So the sound seems almost constant regardless of the car speed.  My son just sold his 70 Pontiac GTO he restored and built up with a much modified drive train (461 cubic inch with 3 speed auto) and it sounded much the same with a 2800 RPM stall speed converter. Ease in to the floor and  just a steady howl, shift, howl some more, shift and soon you were thinking, Ok son  I'm impressed it goes 140 MPH, let's slow her down now!!!!

Bob M.

No pictures? (Don't use Photo*ucket)

 Yep Bob, having been around in the 60's I knew about Phil Hall and the "special" transmissions used for the Chapps, but that does not help my..... audio input vs speed perception... brain cell operation, when we race in GTL  :-\

It was easier when I was slot racing in the 60's and some of us rigged up pendulum systems to operate the high rear wing and gain downforce ( at least we hoped that it did, but I am still not convinced that it made any noticeable difference ) at least the little 12v motors could be heard spinning up to full revs!! lol

By the time I gave up last night I was beginning to get a feel for the odd pick up out of the corners, but it still doesn't feel entirely natural to an oldie like me. I still expect the revs to build in proportion to the speed.

I did some testing with the Chappies, and thought the revs a bit odd, but I don't remember it
being particularly off putting, I though they were just low revving. But then I am often accused
of being a bit deaf  ::)

If one can get sub 1:04 with Chaparral, i think that the engine sound not is a big problem

Hi Bill,
 You have changed the tyres from the default set up I presume? The endurance tyres have a lot less grip.

A rough guide to how I've started to set these up is to move the brake balance rearwards and reduce the brake pressure down to about 92%, Then I just mess around with the balance until progressive application of the brakes locks all wheels together. Then try some serious downshifting (Approaching a corner for example) and I add coast side diff until I can control the rears. I usually reduce the power side diff down a click or 2 as well. I also sometimes lower all the spring rates and usually reduce the tyre pressures a few clicks. Finally raising the front ride height and/or lowering the rear also helps as does reducing the rear roll bar (Or increasing the front). Finally if all else fails I've even resorted to putting the endurance tyres back on the front.

TTFN
John.

Try the 2E BIll if you are not already, that one should be an easier drive.

  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Give this one a miss. Best so far 1:18  ??? and that was the only lap I was able to hold the beast on the tarmac.

Have fun guys.

Results and replay now posted

lol John. I have just read your advice after FINISHING the race!! From what I can recall I think that I did exactly the opposite!!! I know that I dropped the coast side to 0 and upped the power side to around 75. dropped brake efficiency to about 88 and set the balance at around 48/52. I did have to play with tyre pressures and cambers.
I did manage to hussle the thing around but the setup was far from ideal, just one percent too much gas out of a corner and the oversteer was suicidal and there was no recovering even with armfuls of opp lock........something that bit me in the a** a couple of times during the race.

the race was good fun but kinda ruined by a blank screen for about 5 secs at the start of lap 2!!  Just when the tyres were getting up to temp and I was still in touch with Erling and Ziu. After that I was playing catch up and Matt refused to crack after many laps of pressure. But it was great fun looking for the chance to pass, with 2 very different cars. Eventually the oversteer caught me out at T4 and sent me cross country, bending something important in the suspension/steering department.
The car was not quite the same afterwards and getting that dammed thing moving without stalling proved impossible and it gave Matt a 20 second buffer that I just could not close down again with a dodgy car.

But at least I finished a Can Am race and I just happened to notice that I set the FL  .......in a Chappy!!!!!!! lmao  Maybe there is hope for me in these cars???

Race report:


It s easier solve a Chinese puzzle than overtake on this track.

Grats Erling and Matt. Don't worry John here can happen.

Ah Clive, GTL works the opposite from GPL. GTL is locking %age whereas GPL is ramp %age. (No, it means nothing to me either, all I know is that's how it works).  ???

Well a race of mixed emotions for me, Qualified in 4th a few tenths short of my PB but it would not have pushed me any further up the grid as Clive was over half a second ahead of me.

Flag dropped and I struggled to keep the Chappy in a straight line but managed to draw level with Clive before he shut the door in my face and I also got a nudge from Matt but managed to hang onto 4th place. A few laps later Clive went off track (Due to his blank screen) and I inherited 3rd. Managed to extend away from Matt and Erling and Ziu likewise extended away from me. I think Ziu made a few mistakes during the race as occasionally I would get back within  around 4 seconds only for him to begin to pull away again.

Than with around 4 laps to go I could see I was actually gaining on him by nearly a second a lap. Problem?? Managed to get on his tail a few times but couldn't find any way through. Finally onto the last lap and I'm right with him with Matt around 20s back and disaster. I knew I had to get a good exit out of the left hander and onto the up hill section to the Corkscrew as that was my last chance where only having 2 gears to play with might be to my advantage, So up his A$$ into the turn but he was a lot slower than I had expected and I rear ended him waited for him to come past but I think he had a flat tyre so it was slow progress following him (But obviously no way I was going to steal his place after causing the accident). All this time Matt was closing at an alarming rate finally out of the last turn I waited to let Ziu past and Matt said "Thanks a lot" and followed him through so dropping me down to 4th.

So disappointed to have lost the podium spot but very glad Ziu didn't actually lose his 2nd place.

Thanks guys.

TTFN
John.

Thoroughly enjoyed that one  :)   Normally not crazy about Laguna Seca, but this version in these cars was an absolute hoot.

Picking a car wasn't easy though.  Had just about settled on the Lola, when Ziu's musings about the M1b persuaded me I should give it another shot.  Tried and tried and tried to tame the Ford powered one, to no avail.  Nothing I did to the rear suspension seemed to have any effect - it remained suicidally oversteery no matter what.  Best laps were in the 1:05s.  Little more luck with the Olds powered one, which I could balance better.  Still far from Ziu's Turkish things though, with a best lap of 1:04.2.

At that time, I had done a 1:04.8 in the Lola 350, so not much between them.  To get a more realistic picture of which one would be fastest in a race, I decided to time a 10-lap stint in each. Needed a few familiarization laps in the Lola, after all the M1b driving.  During those, I quickly matched and then pipped my best time in the M1b.  A couple minor tweaks to the setup shaved off further time, culminating in a 1:03.5 lap.  That decided my car choice - why waste a McLaren on something I could do quicker, and with much more confidence in a Lola ?

Briefly also tested the two bigger engined Lolas, but prefer the 350.

Once again I got a dream start in the Lola, shooting ahead of Ziu and grabbing the lead.  Retaining it would be an entirely different matter though.  What followed was 31 laps of 'drive it like you stole it, but DON'T stuff it!!'.   Staying ahead of Ziu was not easy for an Earthling like me.  He got very close a few times, under the bridge, but fortunately the mirror is useless in the Lola, so didn't know how close he was, as that would have made me nervous  :)  Apologies for shutting the door hard Ziu; simple explanation is I had no idea where you were exactly - your engine noise didn't betray your position, as it was just a constant rumble in the background.

Ziu went off early on, handing me a 6-sec gap. Naturally wanted to exploit it to the fullest, but instead made small mistakes that quickly saw it dwindle again.  Stayed around 3 secs for a long time, when I drove to my max.  With 5 laps to go, it suddenly jumped to 14 secs, as Ziu obviously had gone off again.  An absolute gift, as I could ease off and coast home the last 5 laps - bar computer or internet issues (or supremely stupid mistakes from me), the win would be mine.

Fortunately held to the end and a most unexpected result.  Grats to Ziu & Matt for filling the podium; commiserations to John and anyone else with troubles.  Thanks to those I lapped for helping me past; hope it didn't upset your own battles too much.

Cheers,
Erling

Yesterday three drivers under 1:04, qualy and race with  two LOLA and one Chaparral. My remains a staple, with McLaren would have been possible go under 1:03 with M6A also. If one car is fast  it s fast on each tracks and mostly i did two race with McLaren and Lola, McLaren not serius problems with tires with LOLA yes (at least with 372) yesterday at 15 laps to go started problems at 7 laps to go my tires were red zone on XD and the rear was slipping too much   

Tyre wear in the 350 was manageable; rears had wear rates of 13-14 at the end of the race.  Biggest problem was that the rears were wearing roughly twice as fast as the fronts, altering the balance as the race progressed.  Had to compensate for that.

Cheers,
Erling

Interesting about tyre wear on the leaders cars, as my Chappy rubber was around 50% worn on all corners, so maybe it was possible to have pushed harder....but I doubt my ability would have matched that ambition.

John's comments regarding ramp and locking are a bit of a mystery to me, so I am going to have to do some homework.  I will have to get my head around what the difference is and how it affects the setup.

I guess that may go someway to explain how you were able to go nearly 2 secs faster in the same car  :alien:
some alien probing has been happening in Denmark methinks....
I could only drive any of these cars here with nearly max rear grip, hence my fronts were wearing
faster than the fronts, though not by a lot. Good race, had some robust shoulder banging in lap 1  ::)
then managed to keep CLive behind without blocking ( I hope) he was clearly faster over a lap, but was
mostly faster on the straight(ish) so I was able to watch him fall off now and then trying to get close enough
to whiz past out of the turns.

Yes it s here that you win the race, the conditions drive on my car after mid car changed to much fast each laps. The worst point was after Turn4 and passed the Corkscrew.

I choice T70 372 because the rear rotate better than 350. It seems to me that 350 was a little understeering

I spent a lot of time developing my 350 setup for the Bridgehampton race (which all came to naught, thanks to a stupid mistake).  Used it here, with small modifications.  I'm really a setup n00b, but seem to have gotten the 350 just right for my driving style - even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while..  :)

Cheers,
Erling

Here are some pics Bob sent me.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/0b52/wfs44tqcx95kyha4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/wfs44tqcx95kyha/996e_3.jpg)
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f658/bipcxzu5pmbqah84g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/bipcxzu5pmbqah8/15977930_10211557897013596_5227646986035328216_n.jpg)
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/56b7/b1ya00lnmmvriwv4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/b1ya00lnmmvriwv/556807_4894347807103_184260620_n.jpg)

That is a nice looking car for sure!!  :yes:

Cheers,
Erling

I m in love too much wich Pontiac, it was my favorite car Firebird 1968 among muscle cars  8)

I bet you could do some turkish stuff in that!

Already i did in past, 8m12s NOS tourist

Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Laguna_10072017)

8)

Is that legal in Denmark then!!!!  :eek:

Undoubtedly not, but aliens probably don't care..  ;)

Cheers,
Erling

Thank you Kurt  :thumbup1: