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Title: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 29, 2016, 12:50:00 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=544&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

Track: Karlskoga (Gellerasen) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg128898#post_gellerasen)

Cars allowed: AC Cobra (320kw/429hp, 1068kg/2349lbs only), Alpine A110 1800S Gr.4  Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_alpine_a110_76), Ferrari 250 GTO Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_f250gto), Porsche 904 GTS/6, Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_porsche904gts)

Required Skins

AC Cobra Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/file/despot1vczdc43t/AC_Cobra.zip)

Drivers are reminded that they are limited to only two drives per manufacturer. Check your status HERE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hBXHZB-152ZVESM4gmvm21f9XPBPeeJn_SxQ1be6xfk/edit?usp=sharing)

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (36 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: 2x
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: SpecialKS on April 04, 2017, 06:26:10 AM +0100
Probably will miss this one due to visitors  :-[

edit: definitely will miss this one due to visitors - have fun guys


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 10, 2017, 12:31:10 PM +0100
IMPORTANT

Number of laps reduced from 42 to 36 laps.

Apologies for the late notice.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: 55steve55 on April 10, 2017, 09:11:52 PM +0100
Once again, due to my missing the braking zone, I had to abort to avoid t-boning Geoffers the leader.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on April 10, 2017, 09:20:48 PM +0100
Server put me out !!!! 10 laps to go. Grats for championship Geoffers.  And it s better that I stop myself to talk.  The first race the same thing I lost 30 points today I lost 26 points 56 points.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 10, 2017, 10:08:26 PM +0100
Replay and results now posted


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Huggy on April 11, 2017, 09:06:12 AM +0100
Sigh!  Another very short race to report - screen crashed to desktop twice ( no doubt to the consternation of others when my car wandered about all over the place while I fumbled to get it back - you can't just stop a Cobra on grass!) thus putting me once again way behind everyone, continued losing distance, and interest, with every passing lap... and getting a nagging pain in the upper right arm to boot, which didn't help. Finally called it quits. Moan, Groan etc...  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 11, 2017, 09:30:30 AM +0100
Tough car choice for this circuit IMO Huggy but good on yer for giving it a go.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Jeep on April 11, 2017, 09:57:26 AM +0100
Hi Huggy,
Are you running AVG by any chance?

Their last update seems to screw around with GTL (and GPL).

Terrible race for me. Qualified in 5th which was about where I expected. Got a good start held position and we all followed each other through the 1st few corners. Tony dived up the inside at Harnalen and I didn't see him until it was too late so forcing me wide onto the grass. Got back on track and noticed Tony had slowed (If it was to wait for me no need, just a racing incident). But others slowed also. This meant I arrived a bit more quickly than I anticipated and had to take to the grass so lost about 10s on the rest of the pack.

Set about trying to chase them down then I found I had forgotten to disable AVG and GTL minimised to desktop as I headed towards T1 a few laps later. Tried to get the car stopped by sound alone but was rewarded with a very loud bang as I hit the tyres. Got GTL BACK and found my front left was US crawled around to the pits and waited patiently while my car was rebuilt.

That was effectively race over for me as I had been lapped by the time I got back into the race and knew  no one needed a to pit unless for damage.

Was able to match those ahead on lap times but not able to make any impression on the gap to Tony and Bob ahead so simply got it to the finish 2laps down on Geoffers and the lap due to my crash on most others..

Enjoyed it though as usual, congrats to the podium.

TTFN
John


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Erling G-P on April 11, 2017, 10:29:14 AM +0100
Gellerasen will never be a favorite of mine, and neither will the 904, so wasn't looking forward to this race.  Ironically then, that I end up having not only some great racing, but also a good result.

Improved my pb in pre race practice, with a 15.2 lap. Improved it again in qual, with a 15.0, which was needed, as Clive had posted a 15.2 also  :o  Still surprised to be 3rd on grid and quickest 904, as I've never felt comfortable in that car.  Did an ok start, retaining 3rd, but Clive sneaked past on the inside at T1.  That was the start of a wild chase that would last for 2/3 of the race. Testament to the intensity, that we both matched our qual times, but under race conditions  :)  Most laps, the gap was under 1 sec.  Took a lot of concentration not to rear end Clive when I got really close - he tended to brake a little earlier, and some of my brake markers were far off the track, so difficult to keep an eye on both at the same time  :o

Chase went on for 23 laps, before an opportunity presented itself.  Clive finally went a bit wide in the final hairpin, allowing me to pull alongside on the inside.  We were side by side down the start/finish straight. As T1 approached, Clive had nosed ahead, but I held the inside line. Regrettably Clive overshot, diving into the sand, which effectively ended our close duel.

For much of our chase, Ziu's car had been not far ahead of us. I was looking forward to seeing whether I could catch and pass him, once his Cobra's tyres liquefied completely. Sadly wasn't to be, as I soon passed his stationary car, apparently in the process of a disco. Thus inherited 2nd. Geoffers was 40+ secs ahead and still moving away; no chance of catching him obviously, so just made sure the gap back to Clive didn't start dropping alarmingly and concentrated on not doing anything stupid.

Grats to Geoffers on a commanding win, and Clive on 3rd.  Commiserations to the AVG victims and Ziu of course - you didn't lose 26 points; you lost 13 at the most, and that's providing you could hold on to 2nd to the end  ;)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 11, 2017, 10:52:13 AM +0100
Grats to Geoffers on a commanding wind

I'm sure he can get some pills for that  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Erling G-P on April 11, 2017, 11:30:56 AM +0100
Grats to Geoffers on a commanding wind

I'm sure he can get some pills for that  ;)

 :lol: :lol: - corrected now


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: SpecialKS on April 11, 2017, 12:12:13 PM +0100
Will post the results Wednesday at the latest  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: EvilClive on April 11, 2017, 01:14:05 PM +0100
I can confirm John's concerns over the latest AVG update and its effect on important matters like simracing etc. If it is not disabled completely before joining a race server there are nasty consequences!! In GTL, like John, I would lose graphics as the screen drops back to desktop but with that terrifying soundtrack of things continuing unseen somewhere  :o. Strangely, in GPL it is the sound that vanishes and the picture continues!! but I find that almost as bad if I cannot hear the engine note??!

Anyway having beaten the AVG software over the head with a large shovel before this race I was hoping for a smoother ride than in the Capri fest last week.
I tried the Cobra in the 15 minutes of pre race practice and, although it was undoubtedly fast, I suspected that my uncultured right foot would shred those tyres inside 10 laps, so I had to find something else to play with. I'm still not entirely happy with that front wheel handling, rear wheel drive Alpine, so thought....." maybe it's time to give the Porker a poke?"

Arnold rolled out a nice red Porsche and I guessed at the fuel requirements + 3 laps and gave it a spin ( or two!!). Some frantic changing of gear ratios and diff settings during quali edged me closer to Erling's time, but nowhere near those laps of Geoffers and Ziu.
I think I must have been running some ratios that were very different to Erling's car because initially he got a better start, but somewhere around 3 rd gear I was able to outdrag him into T1 and sneak 3rd spot.
As he says above, there followed a very intense battle for about 20+ laps. Initially I was keeping the titanic struggle of Ziu and Geoffers in sight and hoping that they would destroy their tyres before I scorched mine. Any thoughts of being easy on my rubber were compromised by Erling's insistence on never being more than a second behind!! There were places where the different gear ratios allowed me a better exit from some corners and there were other places where he was better on the brakes ( something I still have problems with in GTL).
Most frustrating for me was the missed/double downshifts that my G25 gearshift was throwing into the mix. Every time I squeezed the gap up to around 1 sec and thought I might just be able to pull a gap, it would catch me out. ( I suspect that this is because I was looking everywhere for the possible glitches that AVG were responsible for and might have altered a setting in Logitech?).
That is what happened on that final hairpin when instead of 2nd gear I got neutral!! and ran wide struggling to avoid the kitty litter. Erling did not need a second invitation and he pounced. I was still working out which gear I was in when we got to the end of the straight and this time it stayed in 3rd, :-\ when I wanted second. Erlings was gone :ninja:
It quickly became obvious with the now well worn rubber that although I could match his pace, any attempt to try and catch him was going to end in tantrums before bedtime. So I hoped for a rare mistake from those ahead and just tried to keep things steady until the end, although I still managed a spin when Geoffers growled past to lap me!

Grats to Geoffers and Erling, commiserations to Ziu who only seems to get bad luck? ( might be worth checking your AV Ziu? )


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Geoffers on April 11, 2017, 01:23:10 PM +0100
Surprised only two of us used the Alpine here, it was clearly the best car for this track.

First 10 laps or so were good fun trying to find a way past Ziu's mighty Cobra. Managed it a couple of times near the end of the lap only to be blitzed on the S/F straight. Eventually Ziu made a mistake at Jarnkurvan & ran wide & I could nip through on the inside, I think he then got on the grass & allowed me to make a proper escape. Rest of the race was just a case of not pushing too hard into corners as the Alpine seems prone to corner entry oversteer if you do. Thanks to all who moved over when being lapped.  :thumbup1:

Congrats to Erling & Clive  :clap: :clap:

Bad luck to Ziu, Huggy & John. Don't worry too much about the points situation Ziu, I will miss 2 races later in this series (Mugello & Nurburgring) due to holidays.  :( ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Huggy on April 11, 2017, 02:31:21 PM +0100
 Clive : I can confirm John's concerns over the latest AVG update and its effect on important matters like simracing etc. If it is not disabled completely before joining a race server there are nasty consequences!! In GTL, like John, I would lose graphics as the screen drops back to desktop but with that terrifying soundtrack of things continuing unseen somewhere  Shocked. Strangely, in GPL it is the sound that vanishes and the picture continues!! but I find that almost as bad if I cannot hear the engine note??!

Aha! I do believe Clive and John have it bang to rights, I use AVG, and yes, this has been happening on or off line since the last update. That's top info guys, many thanks; disabled it shall be next time I race. I wonder what they did to make this happen?; Clive is dead right about the terrifying soundtrack! :) :)
 The problem with my upper arm is likely to be more difficult to sort; as it gets worse on longer races (one of the several reasons I much prefer shorter events), and must have something to do with not being able to really get a comfortable position with my seat/desk/wheel alignment, but I've tried all sorts. Having played a long pub gig with my R&B band on Sunday probably didn't help, it's probably a case of bass guitar players elbow... Then again, I fear it's equally as much to do with getting uncomfortably close to my seventh decade...... the latter I can do nowt about!

Cheers for the tip chaps.  :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Jeep on April 12, 2017, 12:33:00 AM +0100
I've found a solution to the AVG issue.

Probably will not help everyone but just in case..

My Logitech profiler blew up some time ago when Rfactor suggested it needed updating and I took the advice and had a terrible week unable to get my wheel to work. Finally got it uninstalled and my previous version back but I never got the actual profiles to work afterwards. (Calibration, wheel rotation and FFB settings are ok I just can't pull the actual profiler up and create key assignments. :( ).

So I looked for alternatives and settled on an application called "joytokey" which is a keyboard emulator where keyboard keys or combinations of key strokes can be mapped to joystick buttons and axis. (So it does exactly what the profiler does).

I discovered that I could stop the GTL screen minimising by clicking the left mouse button every lap or so.

So, a bit of thinking outside the box and my solution was to map a left mouse click to the throttle axis so every time I press the throttle it also mimics a left mouse click.

The throttle still functions in GTL as normal (And GPL so it also resolves the loss of sound issue).

I've run a few lengthy tests with AVG active and so far no minimising.  :thumbup2:

I guess a similar trick could also be used in the profiler mapping assignments as well.

TTFN
John.
 


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 12, 2017, 12:35:09 PM +0100
Bit of a quiet race for me. Chose the Porsche as it seemed to suit this circuit quite well, although I did good times in praccy with the Ferrari too but decided to keep that back for a future race. On lap 1 I tried a pass on Jeep by taking a tighter line into the turn but as I exited the bend I noticed he had dropped back so I slowed to allow him to re-take the place as I assumed that I must of tapped him. Had many laps tangling with Steve as we both made errors and passed and then was passed by him. Good fun that. Then I moved away from the stragglers but had no hope of catching Old Geezer so for about two thirds of the race I was on my own. This didn't stop me from making unforced errors however as the tyres wore out on the Porsche and it became very unsettled on the twisty parts of the track.

Next one will be at old Hockenheim with very long straights so expect to see a few Cobra's turning out, or perhaps not? We shall see. At least I have used all my Porsche drives up now which I considerd to be the weakest car available.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Bob M. on April 12, 2017, 02:22:42 PM +0100
My race sort of mirrors Tony's.  After the first laps not much happened, drove the slowest of the cars I tested (904/6)  but it was a joy to drive so took it.  Early on dodged Huggy's car who had a lagging problem in front of me, after he went wide and I got around him not much happened.  Saved the faster cars for more open, faster tracks.  Steadily lost time to the fourth place car and kept Tony at a comfortable distance behind me.  Later ran up on Ziu's Cobra dead on the track, looked in my mirror and he dissapeared, thought to myself, OH OH not again!  Grats to the podium.  On to Thruxton, think I'll try the Escort RS  if I can get a decent setup, any help appreciated.....

Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: 55steve55 on April 12, 2017, 04:29:35 PM +0100
A wasted opportunity for me to finish higher than my 9th place.

Having found a setup that kept the Renault well-balanced in my hands, I felt (too?) at ease with its predictable twitchiness and had some great tussles with Tony for the first half of the race.

On lap 18 I allowed leader Geoffers to pass, but then somehow I got it all wrong on that bit of track where the back end takes off at the beginning of the braking zone. I found myself heading straight towards Geoffers who was taking the right-hander. Steering had no effect so aborted to avoid being unpopular.

Will take the very generous 12 pts for 9th, but I should have done better.

Well done to Geoffers for first place. Sorry to see Ziu with PC problems again.

Looking forward to next weeks race at more familiar Thruxton.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Huggy on April 12, 2017, 06:45:22 PM +0100
Jeep:My Logitech profiler blew up some time ago when Rfactor suggested it needed updating and I took the advice and had a terrible week unable to get my wheel to work. Finally got it uninstalled and my previous version back but I never got the actual profiles to work afterwards. (Calibration, wheel rotation and FFB settings are ok I just can't pull the actual profiler up and create key assignments. Sad ).

So I looked for alternatives and settled on an application called "joytokey" which is a keyboard emulator where keyboard keys or combinations of key strokes can be mapped to joystick buttons and axis. (So it does exactly what the profiler does).

I discovered that I could stop the GTL screen minimising by clicking the left mouse button every lap or so.

So, a bit of thinking outside the box and my solution was to map a left mouse click to the throttle axis so every time I press the throttle it also mimics a left mouse click.

The throttle still functions in GTL as normal (And GPL so it also resolves the loss of sound issue).

I've run a few lengthy tests with AVG active and so far no minimising.  thumbup2


Sounds promising, but so far I've not been able to locate a download for "joytokey" that will actually let me have it, they keep directing me to all sorts of things I DON'T want! Do you have a reliable source, John, I'd like to give it a try, otherwise there's little point in me trying to race, as I'm not keen on disabling AVG for any length of time. How does it simultaneously allow the throttle to perform both it's usual function and  a mouse click?   I'm not too clear on key assignments and such.... 



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Erling G-P on April 12, 2017, 08:06:34 PM +0100
Huggy, I downloaded it recently, so can send you an email with it if you like.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Huggy on April 12, 2017, 09:39:20 PM +0100
Yes please Erling, that would be a big help.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: SpecialKS on April 12, 2017, 09:39:52 PM +0100
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Gellerasen_Karlskoga 10042017)

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Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Erling G-P on April 12, 2017, 10:11:38 PM +0100
Yes please Erling, that would be a big help.

I'll need your email addy then  :) - just PM it to me if you don't want it out in the open.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Jeep on April 12, 2017, 11:47:07 PM +0100
Hi Huggy,
 Or anyone else who wants to give it a try...

I got mine from the homepage here.. http://joytokey.net/en/

Not sure about the mechanics of how it works as far as assigning both the mouse click and still working as a throttle in game but it appears to work ok.

The key mapping is fairly straight forward but I can send you some step by step instructions for GTL by PM or email if you get stuck.
 
TTFN
John.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Karlskoga - Apr 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 13, 2017, 08:53:00 AM +0100
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Gellerasen_Karlskoga 10042017)

8)
Thank you Kurt  :thumbup1: