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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (20 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: 2x
Fuel consumption: Normal

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I'm going to try to make this one. Just wondering if anyone has any lap times to share so I can see how far off the pace I am.

I'm taking the Porsche and currently have a best time of 2:18.55 but most laps are in the low 2:19's.

Tyre wear seems manageable over race distance but perhaps I'm just not trying hard enough.

I am seeing some cut warnings even when following the racing groove. I remember we turned cuts off for the MvS series last year as there is little opportunity to make any time up given the armco and bales surrounding the track.

TTFN
John.

Well remembered John. I will turn cuts off.

A slow 2:23 is my best time in race trim  :-[

How you can be sad if the track record is 2:23.5 ?

But that was in a Skoda, Ziu!

Don't  worry  TC and GTC have just one G of difference

 :lol:

The Alpine seems tricky relating to my skills, but less tricky than the 904 - I hope (not tested). My pb so far around 2:21, if I remember right. CU tonight.

The 250 is offering a smoother ride for me here and is also a few seconds quicker than the 904, but I'm still a bagfull of seconds off the times mentioned so far.

Well there we go, another waste of time on my part!  Last race (BSCC) I couldn't get on to the grid, this time, did one and a bit reasonable racey laps, and everyone else disappears - lost connection. This after rebooting the router earlier when Erling told me the lag was bad, and all seemed fine after that. Grrr!    :cursing:

Tony - I didn't want my spin to take you out so aborted just in case.

In my opinion one of the most challenging tracks.

Found out just before the start that there was still an option left for a longer gear ratio which I chose without having tested it.
Gave me about 2 seconds  :D . But there was only one lap without a fault for me. Nice changing of places with Tony  :)
Was on my way to a sub 2:18 twice but then crashed each time.  :P

In the end: one fault too much.  ::)

But fun!

CU next week.

Replay and results now posted

Thank goodness you did. I was bracing for a heavy hit then you vanished, phew!

@ Kurt - Great fun Mate

A hard race for me; with battles from start to finish.

Chuffed with qual, as I set a new pb, landing me 3rd .  Retained it - barely - after the start.  Aliens buggered off, while behind, an insistent Matt was chasing me.  Staying ahead of him, while trying to conserve my tyres was no easy feat.  3rd was upgraded to 2nd temporarily, when we passed a recovering Geoffers at the final turn.  Puzzled why Matt could gain so much on me in the long right-hander leading into the park-like area, but replay suggests he simply had found a more efficient line into it.

Twice in this 1st half, I had managed to build a small gap of 2-3 secs, only to see Matt gain a very strong second wind, cutting it in half over just one lap.  Couldn't explain it the first time, as my own lap wasn't particularly slow.  2nd time however, I spotted Geoffers' yellow Alpine behind him, and figured he had scared Matt into going faster than he really could..  ;D   Heroically, he kept Geoffers behind for a few laps, but eventually he got past and reeled me in too.  With tyres basically shot, my Ferrari was no match for the Renault - not even a wreck like Geoffers must have been driving, after two hard shunts, so he quickly got past.

With Geoffers gone, I first thought Matt was homing in on me again, only to realize the car (nose) was blue; not green.  Turned out to be John in his Porker. Very bad news for me; he would be unaffected by tyre wear, whereas mine were ready for the dumpster.  Fought as hard as I could to keep him behind, but it was a lost cause.  With ever decreasing grip and corner speeds, I eventually ran wide, bouncing over the curbs, losing momentum and thus letting him past.  Chased him as hard as I damn well could over the final few laps, but with no grip left, I couldn't mount any form of challenge, so he could just cruise home to take 2nd, after we had again passed a recovering Geoffers.

Grats to John on 2nd, and Ziu of course, for the win.

In retrospect, and with most of the series wrapped up, I think the 2x tyre wear has been a mistake.  The Renault (which is by  far the superior car) and the Porker are virtually unaffected by it, whereas the Ferrari is completely crippled.  It has nowhere near the raw speed to compensate for it, and is basically a paper tiger.  The only one who has bagged a win with it is Ziu, but that doesn't really count, since you could put him in a wheel barrow and he would still win  ;)  My fight with John was quite frustrating, since you sit with a feeling of not competing on even terms.  If we return to this series in the future, I believe normal tyre wear will even the playing field better - Ferrari & Cobra will still have a lot more tyre wear than the two others, but shouldn't be quite as stymied as they are now.  I shudder to think what it would be like, if we had stayed with the 3x tyre wear originally proposed  :o

Cheers,
Erling

First thing sorry Geoffers because it was be a beautiful race between me and you but your problem ruined our fun and i m sure that not has been your mistake but the cause it s that Alpine is unpredictable on those tracks where there are fast change of direction like the last turns of Varosliget due to release of throttle. In Ahvenisto  and Gellerasen not esses not problems.

Unfortunately i missed the possibility to be more closed to Geoffers on qualy i did a mistake on my best lap, but honestly pole  Porsche vs Alpine not was possible for me and here i say to Erling that if i had the possibility of take Ferrari i did it, 2:13 with Porsche mean 2:12 Ferrari and i dont care about tires wear x2. Unfortunately we can not have the full barrel and the wife drunk at the same time also because with tires wear normal Porsche and Alpine (Varosliget for sure) when fuel going to be less the time lap is more fast.

The race was good, i followed Geoffers enough well, he was strong on sector 2 0.3 seconds than me but could recover on the last turns so the distance was constant between me and Geoffers but it s clear that i not was thinking to pass him at least not was possible on first laps and i dont know what could be happen going forward with tires wear. When Geoffers lost is car just i saw that he struck guard rail very badly and his cars after was damaged for sure and then very difficult  to drive i suspect after what i saw.

Thanks Tony for opportunity to drive on this track and Grats to John and Erling

I forgot about tyre wear......  was a second faster in the Ferri than the Porka, but perhaps later in the race that would not
have been the case. Hounded Erling for the 1st few laps, I was amused that he didn't take such a fast line into the park  ;D
but worked for me  ::)

had a minor off into the 2nd to last corner which allowed Geoffers back through, and then had my traditional minimise to desktop
fortunately on the S/F straight, so I quickly clicked onthe icon, but by then I was rotating past the turn in for T1, and lost 10 secs
or so. Then Geoffers went off again, and seemed to be struggling for top speed, though he may have just been relearning
how to drive a bent car.

Good fun race, Thanks Tony.

Well I made a real mess of that!  ::)

After qualifying on pole & making a good start & first lap, it all went wrong at T1 on lap 2. The car just understeered wide into the bales, then I realised I had only gone down one gear instead of two!!!  :cursing: Time lost was minimal as the car bounced off the bales into the middle of the track & I carried on. Car still tracked straight but was rather erratic on corner entry, sometimes gripping & other times running wide making picking a line a little tricky. Also it now understeered badly under power exiting corners so I had to get it pointing more or less where I wanted it before getting on the gas.

Still it still seemed fast enough to hold off Ziu until about lap 4 it caught me out at the penultimate corner when it turned in sharper than I expected & clouted the bales, speared across the track flipped over. By the time I rejoined I was down to 5th car still drove straight but power on understeer was even worse. Caught up with John & got past when he ran wide only to go off again & lose the place  ::). Caught up again got past John & soon caught Matt & Erling, Matt was difficult to get by until he made a mistake, but I got ahead of Erling on the brakes at T1.

Ziu was by now miles ahead & lapping faster than I was able to so I just concentrated on keeping it on track. But the car had other ideas & again understeered off at T1 dropping me to 4th just ahead of Matt. Car was now very bent but still drove OK in a straight line, just would not turn. I slowed & let Matt past rather than have another crash & involve him & settled for 5th, even managed one more excursion into the bales on the final lap!  :lol: Don't think I have had so many crashes in a race & still finished.

Congrats to Ziu, John & Erling  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Looks like the championship is shaping up for a good finale, however I won't be involved as I will miss the next race at the Nurburgring.

I have to agree with Erling on the tyre wear, I feel GTL tyre wear is already excessive compared to reality. In the day & in modern historic racing the tyres last a lot longer than in GTL.

Disaster race for me but still enjoyed it, had great racing trying to keep Clive behind me but about lap 7 he passed and disappeared into the distance, then came the mistakes hit the wall twice at end of straight this saw OLdgeezer pass me then crashed again and Eifelblitzwent went past, by lap 14 tyres were in the red and damage was on zero still hoped to stay in front of Tony but crashed yet again and he shot past, saving grace was when Ziu lapped me and i only had to do 19 laps.

Grats to Ziu on win

Grats to Podium

Again not much for me to report.  At the start a few of us in the middle had some bumps and scrapes but nothing real bad, good racing.  Was behind Clive & Matt but they were too fast for me and slowly pulled away.  Tony was on my tail for quite some time but then had  a incident I guess  and fell back.  Just drove the track, then about L15/16 the GTO went into bad understeer so had to tiptoe through the corners and then a couple of laps after the rears went into bad oversteer on exit.  Still mantained my spacing between Clive and Tony.  Like the track a lot, was great fun in the Abarth last year not so much in the GTO with the tire wear problem.  See you all at Croft.....

Bob M.

Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Varosliget_21082017)

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I really enjoyed that one. I almost took the Ferrari as although I had pretty much decided I was taking the Porsche I suddenly found a set up which put me over a second a lap faster in the Ferrari but a full distance practice told me I was going to be in a world of pain with the tyres around lap 14 onwards. This unfortunately means I'm stuck with the Ferrari for the last 2 rounds.

Anyway... Qualified down in 6th, about a second short of my PB leading up to the race. Got a good start and passed Clive in the run down to T1 so was 4th. Although Matt didn't seem to notice as he was concentrating on trying to stay with Erling we had some close racing early on, I was trying to give him the "Hurry up" to stay with Erling while also waiting for any mistake. My battle plan was to try to stay close to any Ferrari's ahead in the belief that at around 3/4 distance they should be easy pickings.

I was in all honesty aiming for a 4th place finish thinking Ziu, Geoffers and Erling would probably be long gone but Erling's inability to break free from Matt and me and Geoffers throwing his ride at the scenery a few times along with Matt's dump to desktop meant I found myself in a solid 4th and making ground on Erling rapidly by about lap 15. I didn't push it but knew I would get a chance at least once in the closing laps and around lap 16 or 17 I finally got my chance when Erling ran wide onto the raised curbing exiting Hósök tera  and I made the pass around the outside of Állatkerti körút as he got back up to speed. This combined with seeing Geoffers nose to barrier on the exit of T1 on the following lap pushed me up to 2nd and from then onwards it was simply a case of making sure I didn't let Erling who was still a bit feisty even on shot tyres get ahead of me before the flag.

As already mentioned it's a shame about the excessive tyre wear on the Ferrari. it's an unavoidable problem with using cars from different modders I guess. Perhaps a UKGTL specific car set where we adjust such factors to suit our races but I suppose apart from the additional work load we would also really need permission from the creators which in itself is not always possible.

I'm not sure if I will make Croft.

Thanks for the race as always.

TTFN
John.

Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:

Hi Matt,
 Is this something which can be avoided by clicking the mouse or something occasionally during a race?

I'm only asking because Robert Fluerke had an issue in GPL where his screen kept going blank unless he remembered to click the mouse every few laps. I also had a similar issue with a version of AVG causing GTL and GPL to minimise to dekstop.

We eventually solved it by installing "joytokey" (Keyboard and mouse emulator assigned to joystick  - or wheel).

You could try assigning a mouse click to the throttle (So you are issuing regular mouse clicks - It has no effect on any existing GTL mapping). This worked for both Rob and me.

Just thinking out loud..

TTFN
John.

I will try anything John. This only seems to happen on one of my two systems. I had some issues with the other one
but it was not the same. This one doesn't go black, it minimises to desktop, as if I had clicked the "-" tab top right of a window
if I am quick enough, and remember to, it maximises immediately I click on the GTL icon in the taskbar, and then
continues to the end of a race. I think it onlce did it more than once in a particular race, but I am not sure about that
I might do (yet) another install. BUt it took 3 weeks to get the thing working on line again last time, so am reluctant.