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Track: 70's Nurburgring (Nordschleife) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg128898#post_nordschleife70)

Cars allowed: AC Cobra (320kw/429hp, 1068kg/2349lbs only), Alpine A110 1800S Gr.4  Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_alpine_a110_76), Ferrari 250 GTO Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_f250gto), Porsche 904 GTS/6, Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_porsche904gts)

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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (5 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: 2x
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Still on vacation - so unfortunately I have to miss this one too. A real shame because this is my hometrack  :P

I will be in Gran Canaria so will be missing for this'n

And I will be in the Lake District, so looks like a thin grid for this one!

I will miss this race too, away with the Piskies - "Oggies" and Cornish cream teas.  :rockon:

Sorry I'm away also. It seems a popular time to get away.  :)

Edit: Just realised I'm back Monday week. It's this week I will miss. Anyone want Alzheimer's  ::)

There is no practice password. Please use the race night password.

Quite surprised but tyre wear doesn't seem to be the issue I was expecting in the Ferrari. Not had a clean lap yet and 9:20.14 probably means I'm not trying hard enough. Unsure of the best gearing here. Torn between hitting the limit at the end of the long straight or leaving some in reserve in case I get the opportunity of a tow.

TTFN
John

Have done a 9:17.8 lap in the Ferrari earlier. Reasonably clean lap, apart from a minor off and a bit too much drifting in places.  Can't recall how I set the gearing, but probably so it just about maxed out down the long straight, as that's what I would normally do.

Cheers,
Erling

Did a few laps to test the available cars ( the circuit is the GPL version so I know that quite well ) and I experienced the same issues as John and a very similar lap time. Although I was more concerned with how the car handled rather than outright pace. The 9:20 lap time did raise a smile here as I am more used to seeing times around 8:00 or below in GPL races in the 67 GP cars. Are they really 1:20 faster per lap?? no wonder the Nordschleife is such a challenge in GPL!!

Anyway, in GPL there is no rev limiter, just a known safe maximum and if you push the engine over that limit it will cause damage on each occasion, eventually causing it to explode.  So,  am still wary of running the engines in GTL at max revs, even though ( as I understand things ) there is a rev limiter to prevent damage. I usually find my setups are running at 95% max revs at the end of the longest straights with a little in hand to exploit any slipstream opportunities.
 In turn, that means I sometimes suffer accelerating out of corners as other cars have lower ratios ( that was evident at Riverside against Erlings lower geared Chapp ).

Unfortunately, the setup parameters for the Ferrari only allow the adjustment of the final drive ratio, so it is a toss up between nice low punchy gears through all of the twisty stuff, or a nice long 5th gear to extract max speed down the long straight?? 

Why is simracing so complicated ??  :-\ or maybe that is why it is so addictive  ;)

There's a rev limiter yes, but you can still damage the engine in some cars, as I know you have experienced (BMW Procars for example).  On some cars you can raise the limit, which may lead to damage, on others, just revving to the fixed max, causes damage.  Whether you can ignore it or not, depends on how quickly it builds, and how high your engine health was when you started.  In some of my setups and my driving, I know I damage the engine, but if it can last the race, I ignore it.  I do believe some have ruined engines by premature downshifts too, but am uncertain how serious the damage you sustain might be.

Cheers,
Erling

Thanks for explaining that Erling.

 I had actually noticed that the engine health suffers by a few % if I downshift too early and over rev the engine. Generally I finish a race with engine health still in the 90's, except for the Procars and those horrid screaming Capris which seem to drop into the low 80's during a "normal" race. Any real abuse of the engine in those cars certainly shows and I have seem values as low as 40% at the end of a race where I was taking liberties  :whistling:

I did try the "increase revs" option with the 2G Chapp at Riverside, but it did not appear to give me any noticeable advantage....unless everyone else did the same lol!!   Maybe because I was still only using 95% of the available revs I was not doing any real damage?

Possibly - and I do believe you had all the advantage you needed..  ;)

Cheers,
Erling

 ;D

Did a few laps in The Big Beastie Cobra, just because it was there, and I was curious about how it ( and I ) would cope with Nurby. I was easily 10 secs a lap faster than the Ferrari  :o :o ??

Had quite a conservative setup, so I would predict that the tyres would comfortably last for 5 laps based on my run of 2 laps. The only downside was that it felt like steering a boat with a teaspoon!!!

If my qualy lap will be under 9 minutes it mean that my arm is enough fine today

Tonight's race will be a difficult change of driving styles for me. Last night UKGPL ran a race for the 1955 GP cars on this circuit. The difference between last night's race and tonight's competition are poles apart.

The GPL55 cars mimic the fragile brakes of that era and as they heat up, effectiveness drops to almost zero. This is not a gradual reduction during the race, just braking too heavily into T1 will overcook the brakes and they will be useless when you reach T2. If you can negotiate T2 and T3 without using the brakes they might have recovered by T4!!!
There is a small light on the dashboard that shows green if the brakes are OK, yellow if they already warm and red when they are useless. As a result a great deal of the corners have to be taken without using any brakes, on narrow tyres with minimal grip. Ironically the fastest lap times were in the 9:20's which is not that far off the pace of tonight's cars!!
 The big difference tonight will be approaching corners with brakes that actually work!! and with tyres that might offer more stability than a supermarket shopping trolley!!
It might take me a while to adapt, so apologies in advance if I brake too early  :-\

It missing the track on the server

Can't see the server at all  ???

Cheers,
Erling

HELP!!!!   IT S ABSURD !!!!!

Server's up now !!

Well, that was a weird one, I went through a hedge but it wouldn't let me back through it onto the track.  ???

Oh well more wasted practice.  >:(

TTFN
John.

Sorry but I cannot go head so,  it s better I abandon all

Grats Erling you deserved this championship but it s absurd  what happened too bad

Ziu sent me a PM saying the server was not up. It was, but I guess it was not reporting to the lobby
so I restarted it, but forgot that the tyre and fuel settings are swapped over in the sever screen
so another restart, and it was sorted, sorry if it was "absurd" but I haven't done GTL admin for years.

Results and replay now posted.

Very sorry about your arm Ziu.  Hope you can recover enough to make a comeback in future races. Thanks regarding the championship, but nothing's set in stone yet.

Nürburgring has been an obsession of mine, ever since I first set (virtual) foot there. Winning a race here has been a long time ambition, I finally fulfilled yesterday. Bittersweet though, with Ziu's untimely exit, especially given it looked like it could have been a close race.  He got ahead at T1 on L1. I was impressed by his speed in the Porker through some of the curves, not least the two carousels. I got the first one wrong on L1 and lost time.  The Alpine on the other hand, seemed to have a distinct advantage in the upper end, once we got into 5th.  Thus had no problem zipping past and reclaim the lead down the long straight.  Ziu reduced the gap through the twisty sections on the following lap, but then left on L3.  That pretty much deflated the balloon; with around 50 secs to the next car, all excitement was gone.

Grats to Matt & Clive for completing the podium, and commiserations to John and of course Ziu.

Cheers,
Erling

Sorry to hear about Ziu's arm. It does sound like he has some serious problems there. I think we all hope that your arm recovers Ziu, so that you can compete in future UKGTL races.

Second item is that Bob should be given 3rd place, as he waited for me to pass only 100mtrs from the finish. For some reason he thought that I was Matt and that he owed Matt the place? Hope the results can be adjusted.?

After the first 2 minutes my race descended into a lonely battle between me and the Nurburgring. The Ferrari GTO is a very easy car to drive but lacks the outright grunt to compete with the Porsche and the Alpine in my hands. So I was cruising along just watching the gap back to Matt and Bob very comfortable in my 3rd place. Then Ziu quit with his bad arm and I was gifted 2nd place, all I had to do was keep it steady. There was no chance of catching Erling unless he totalled his car against a random tree and I was able to compensate for a quicker lap by the cars behind and regain a couple of secs if I needed to.
Last lap and I had around 9-10 sec lead, so no pressure.....................until I double downshifted and locked the rear wheels, sending the car flying into the undergrowth and stalling the engine in the process!!
Matt went past and I rejoined about 5 secs behind himm with Bob only 2 secs behind me. I gave the Fezza a good thrashing on the last lap, hoping to catch Matt before the main straight, but although I closed up around 4 secs on that straight I could not actually catch him. Then in the final chicane I tried to brake just a little too late on worn tyres and poked the nose into the Armco...and stalled the engine yet again!! I had to wait as Bob went past and thought I had gone from 2nd -4th, almost hero to almost zero!!
As I powered the car up onto the finish straight Bob slowed and pulled over allowing me to sweep past, as I said above. 3rd place was Bob's and I deserved what I got for making dumb mistakes!!
Grats to Erling and Matt, but commiserations to Ziu and his arm.  :(

No please leave me in the 4th spot, with a full attendance field I would have never even been close to 4th.  Very frustrating race for me on a track I like very much.  Sometimes if I need to "wind down" I will just go on it in the Mini or Abarth, start at the back and see how I do against TC & GTC cars.  I had little or no time to practice or work on the Alpines setup during the week because of visitors and things that had to get done around the house according to the lady of the house right now!  I was very inconsistant and never solved the problem of the Alpine, seems like if I just brushed the curb it would try to throw the car across the track so had to just be very careful and I am normaly  a curb pounder anyway. And the only other choice was the Cobra and I would never make a lap with that beast.  Oh well it's behind me now and will turn the page and get ready for Silverstone.  Now what to drive?

Bob M.

Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Nordschleife_18092017)

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Thanks Kurt. These results always make for interesting reading, sometimes embarrassing reading too!!  ;)

Hehe, did you stop for coffee on your last lap.. ?  :whistling:

Cheers,
Erling

He stopped at the Coffee shop in the last turn... to watch me go past  ;D

That "tactical pause" would not have been so bad, but the coffee was rubbish and there was no cake!!!  >:( 

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Many thank's to Matt for looking after things during my absence.

Just back from 9 days in the sun with no phone, laptop, internet or wi-fi and it's been great.

Now trying to catch up  :helpsmilie:

Welcome back Tony.  ;D