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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (1 rolling lap, 23 racing laps)

Track: Marina Bay Street Circuit, Singapore Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg187123#post_singapore)

Cars allowed: Ford Capri Mk3 Turbo Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_capri3t)

Only the following cars are to be selected. CLASS A DIV 1 '81, CLASS B DIV 2 '81, DIV 2 '80 and DIV 2 '79.

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3) The remaining drivers will follow the driver in front of them forming a SINGLE LINE formation.

4) The lead driver will increase speed as soon as it is safe to do so. The following drivers will match the speed of the car in front of them, whilst keeping a safe distance between them.

5) The lead driver will maintain slow/average speed for the duration of the lap until approaching the final corner when he will engage the speed limiter.

6) The lead driver will maintain limiter speed (limiter may be switched off) until the start line is reached. Having crossed the start line the lead car will begin race speed.

7) Following drivers may not exceed limiter speed (lead drivers speed) or attempt any overtaking until the start line is crossed.

Time of Day Setting: 22:00
Start: ROLLING
Tyre wear: x2
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Away on vacation - so I'll miss this one  :D ;D

Lots of hard concrete walls here driver's. And the pits don't like repairing these cars.

So be careful!

Yikes, this has got to be THE nightmare car/track combo.  All the faster curves are virtually blind, so if a car in front of you has a moment, you're doomed  :scared:

Will probably end up as a last man standing event  :o

Cheers,
Erling

Just when I thought I was coming to terms with these beasts, Tony throws in a track that I know only from watching races on cable TV....and I did not like it even then!!
From the posts above this could be a nightmare of a race, with the added bonus that a pitstop for repairs ( which will almost certainly be required within 3 laps!!) is a waste of time.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that alongside his friendly and helpful persona, Tony has a sadistic streak  :-\

Let's make it a night race  :sorcerer:

(joking)

It should be noted that last time we raced here, the Evil one won the race.

Wasn't that the plan when we used it in 2014 ?  I missed the race, so don't know if we went through with it, but my practice replays were done in night conditions, probably to reflect race conditions.

Despite 9 first gear corners, which I normally loathe, the track is growing on me, in a twisted sort of way.  There's just something I find irresistible about the sheer madness of a street circuit and a bonkers car...  :P

Cheers,
Erling

Your right Erling, the race had a virtual start time of 20:00.

I'll try it tonight and see what suits best.

I must have thought it was a bad dream!! because I have no recollection of this circuit :o What the heck was I driving ??? ................and was it really 2014?? have I been causing problems in GTL for that long??? ::)

Yes you have!
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12024.msg216040#msg216040

Ok, lets make this more interesting....................

Shall we say 22:00  :eek:

Well! slap me with a fish and call me Neville!!

NevilClive?

Tried this track today and hated it, after Tony posted 22.00 start i tried open practice set at 22.00 and memories came back driving the OPel car 3 years ago and i got to like the track, so will try it again, a night race in these monster cars.

Thanks, that wrecked my laptimes...  ::)

Not a very pretty track at night, but does add an extra challenge of course.

Cheers,
Erling

Did a few laps last night............................Oh Yes!!! I do vaguely remember this track now  :censored: But how on earth I managed a win here must be more of a reflection on everyone else's misfortunes, rather than any great performance from me  :-\

Maybe it is my PC's low spec, but there are at least two corners around this track where I find it difficult to pick out the right turns hidden in the concrete walls. Usually I find that once I have raced a circuit I retain the layout in my brain and can quickly dial in again, but not with this track as it seems like a voyage of discovery.

Plus of course there is the added complication of those Capris and trying to anticipate the turbo lag out of all of those tight corners.............If I have any hope of offering any challenge on Monday I will have to find time for some serious practice. Or maybe I just tootle around at the back and hope to pick up places from others mistakes?  ::)

Oh yes!! Plus of course our beneficent organiser has now made this a nightime race, which I suspect will only add to my problems with picking out corners ??? Something else I will have to try before Monday............there is currently a possibility of names being removed from my Christmas card list  ???

Had a few spare mins this pm,  so tried Ping-a-wall under floodlights  :o..........someone around here has a wicked sense of humour!!!!  >:D

In daylight, it is difficult to pick out the corner entry points in the concrete walls.....in semi darkness that becomes more of a lottery.

Just to make things impossible I refreshed my memory of the track with a few slow recce laps trying to predict where the turn in points were by using the engine revs and gearchanges under max acceleration from the previous corner. Not ideal, but I will use anything that I can lol!

So with a Div 1 car I am getting down to 2:25 secs with a far from comfortable setup and more than a few corners where I can gain more time. The question is if I can get to a position where I have enough confidence in the setup, to attack more of the corners. How you fast boys deal with that horrendous turbo lag in the slow corners is beyond me.
Just wondering if maybe I am too slow through the corners? and if I was quicker the revs would not drop so much and I would not suffer that lag??

Is anyone going to post some indicative laptimes for these frustrating projectiles? I find it very difficult to judge if I am extracting the potential performance from them as the handling/turbo mix is so different to what I am used to.  :-\

No!








Oh go on then, did a few laps in daylight to learn the track last night, got into the 2.16s with 80 Div2 car.

2:19 any guide?

2:16,  2:19's???!!!..........................................oh dear! and in a Div 2 car too??? isn't life just great??  Thanks for bursting my bubble and ruining my weekend! :hang:

And to think I was chuffed with 2:25 in a Div 1 car!!!!   :(

I am going to bed.

I thought it surely was a printing error when you wrote Div 1  ;)

If you find it THAT hard, I could send you a Div 1 hotlap replay (if you intend to race in Div 2 that is - don't want to shoot myself in the foot...  ::))

With regards to the turbo lag and loss of boost in the slow corners, I haven't found a way around it.  Can't negotiate the corners fast enough to keep it on boost, but at least it builds quickly in the low gears.  Most important is probably to realize that the accelerator is not an on/off switch in these cars; have to feed it in with just enough restraint to avoid the worst ketchup effect.

Cheers,
Erling

Well, TBH I was thinking of running a Div1 car for this race as part of a training and improvement programme ( gotta start somewhere!??)  and was genuinely beginning to think around Singapore that I might just avoid total humiliation in Div 1.

However.....in the cold light of day, and with the info on the laptimes of other members in Div 2 cars, that might have to be reviewed ::) I am assuming that this is not some weird track where the Div 2 cars will be 10 secs a lap faster than the Div 1 cars???

 This begs the question...just how quick do you expect the Div 1 cars to be, if Div 2 cars are posting 2:16's ( and possibly even quicker come qually???? ).

I must be approaching the Div 1 cars in entirely the wrong way if I am something like 20+ secs off the pace, something that really frustrates me, as in most cars I can at least offer some competition.
It does seem that the more modern cars with grippy slick tyres and the turbo's extra power just don't click with me. Give me a 5.7ltr 1955 Maserati with narrow tyres and almost zero grip anytime, that sort of technology I can deal with!  :)

Well, let's have some openness for a change..  :)   In daylight, my pb was a 2:09.5.  After the switch to night time, I couldn't break below 2:10.  Remedied that yesterday, when I unexpectedly broke into the 2:09s again, culminating in a 2:08.74 - the only sub 2:09 lap I've done, and will have a hard time repeating.  You can then expect a certain Sardinian to be a least a couple of secs quicker than that...  ::)

Cheers,
Erling

Don't know why you can only do 2.25s Clive, you managed 2.29 in a BMW 2002 when you raced here before & these cars are much faster than one of those.

Thanks for being so open Erling.

I seem to need a target to aim at when preparing for a race, otherwise I find that I can settle for a mediocre time and think that I am doing well. Come race day that often blows up in my face and there is an element of panic during qualifying  ::)

As you said, a certain Sardinian will probably be a couple of seconds faster and a certain Geoffers will likely be "in the zone" too. Then there is John, and one or two others, who can also be very quick.

Yes Geoffers, I noticed that time too and fully expected that these cars would be much faster. After some deep digging amongst the weeds in my memory, I think that I did a lot of practice and worked out where a very benign handling Beemer would carry the speed through a few of the corners with absolute confidence. But, I just don't have that degree of confidence and/or commitment between those concrete walls in the Capris, so I find that I am pointing and squirting between corners.

If I can find some free time before Monday I will give the Div 1's another go, but unless I can find 15-16 seconds hidden somewhere ( and that is unlikely!!) then it will have to be a Div 2, and even that looks to be a tough challenge, although I do find those easier to drive closer to the limit ( well my limit anyway!)

Not to discourage you further, but keep in mind too that you can't avoid a pit stop in the Div 1 cars (knowing how much you love those...  ;D)  In fact, with your... ahem..  pit stop history, I'd be willing to share a replay, even if you're in Div 1 in the race.  Should it in any way help you finish ahead of me, I'd naturally expect a suitably fat brown envelope afterwards as compensation..  :whistling:

Btw, you are aware that you're currently leading the Div 2 Championship ?

With regards to confidence and commitment; why not just go for it, until you find the limit - it's not like you're breaking a real car  ;)


Cheers,
Erling

I have just had another stab at this in the Div 1 car and changed a few things in the setup.

Dropping the ratio for 1st gear made a big difference and reduced the time waiting for the turbo to spin up again. Made some changes to the diff and roll bars to try and keep the rear end under control when the power arrives in a big lump ( right foot education needed here ).

A few laps just testing the setup and general feel in a Div 1 beast, before I started looking for laptimes.

So, to continue the "open and honest" discussion, lap times went something like :- 2:23, 2:20, 2:16, 2:15, 2:14, 2:12. There were a couple of laps after that promising a low 2:11, possibly 2:10?. But the harder I tried the more time I lost, confirming that I need to concentrate on keeping everything smoooooth.

The biggest thing I discovered was how much later I could brake than seemed prudent in the Div 1 car, there was a point beyond which I could still wrestle the front end into the corner, but I would miss the apex and be slower on the exit.
Being very aware that the Div 1's are going to need a pitstop and not being the world's biggest fan, or best practitioner of those with a pit crew like Arnold and Mabel, I returned to a Div 2 car and tried again.

Using what I had learnt from the changes to the Div 1 car, I applied similar tweaks to the Div 2 and tried a few quick laps. Gradually improved my PB until I got it down to a high 2:15.
At this point real life intervened and I had to abandon the test. But I would estimate that a perfect lap ( something I suspect is beyond me around this track ) would get me  into the 2:13's?

Sounds like you're gettting there, all by yourself!  :thumbup1:

Cheers,
Erling

If only I knew where I was going  ??? and how will I know when I get there?? Is there a sign that says you are here? what is the difference between here and there, if we don't know where here is?

Well at least you have some laptimes as reference, for both classes.  That's more than you usually get in this series.  All I know is that no matter how fast I go, the  :censored: aliens are always faster still  :-\

Cheers,
Erling

Initial lap times of 2:25 in DIV2 for me and hoping to shave perhaps 5 secs off before the race.

But I'll need a combination of consistancy and others' misfortunes to get amongst even the middle third of the group, but I agree with Erling, I quite like this track. So, my aim is to finish and enjoy!

Best that I have managed in the Div1 car is a 2:14 but I didn't touch a wall once.

BTW when leaving the pits after your stop for fuel etc do not trust the speed limiter. Mine didn't work after a pit stop but if you stay in 1st gear and take it easy you should rejoin without a penalty.

How do. I think I have my install sorted, at least I hope that the clean install I made last week is working fine with the assorted mods loaded - I tested this track earlier in the week. I know this track from other games and I still got lost around the back of the circuit....nope and nope again with a trailer attached carrying all the nopes needed for several days of nope:) Not for me. I'll try for the following one. Cheers, Daniel

Hi Daniel. Some of our drivers prefer to have a separate install for each series. How to create a copy install in detailed here https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13237.msg238743#msg238743

Tony won't be racing tonight not been able to practice. Damaged shin and flexing ankle is painful, also grandson has come to stay for a couple of days to ride across Exmore, Dartmouth on his new KTM 1290 Super Adventure S to get some miles on it.  :scooter:

Concrete wall -v- Front Spoiler. Concrete won. Car now understeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery. Retired.

Get better soon Bill.

Yeh, same here.

Hope you are better soon Bill.

Replay and results now posted.

I, too/three was despoilered!

Before I post anything else, these cars are still not anywhere near the top of my favourites list. Huge grats to Ziu and Erling and for their ability to control the Div 1 cars at the pace they showed. I just don't know how you guys do that and not wreck yourselves on the concrete walls??!!

One or two comments were made about my laptimes last night, quoting my initial 2:25 attempt in a Div 2 car. In my defence ( I was not playing mind games or sandbagging lol ) I did post my progress as the laptimes came down to around 2:16.
It was not until Pre race practice on the server last night, that I dipped into the low 2:15's. I suspect that most of you would agree that to drive quickly you must have confidence in the setup/handling to push close to the limits all around the circuit. Half way through qually I increased the coast side of the diff by one click to try and stop the tail flicking out on turn in, and reduced the power side by one click to give me a little more controllable power on oversteer on the exit. That gained me another second per lap and a much more stable car.
 At the end of qually Geoffers was in the 2:13's and I was on a lap that promised to be faster than him...........but that was a step too far and I clouted the wall hard.      So that was how I arrived at my qually time by a progress of gradual improvement  :angel-wings:

I knew that I wanted to avoid any thoughts of a pitstop ( my skill in that area still needs some work) and I also knew that tyre wear could be a real problem if I tried to run at my qually pace. Ahead of me were Ziu. Erling and Tony in Div 1 cars and Geoffers in a Div 2 car. I did not expect to be able to trouble Ziu and Erling in those missiles with wheels.
But Tony's qually time was not too much faster than mine and he would have to make a pitstop, so he might be vulnerable if I could keep the gap minimal until he stopped. But Geoffers in a Div 2 car was going to be a real challenge!! His experience in preserving tyres and pace throughout a race vs my tendency to spin up the rear tyres and run out of rubber when racing hard, left me expecting a second in class at best.
The first lap was careful on cold tyres and that was made a little easier because Tony and Geoffers were disputing 3rd spot whilst Ziu and Erling checked out ahead.

Then a couple of things just fell into my lap. Geoffers was very slow through the Esses at the end of the lap and I grabbed the chance to stick my car down the inside to get ahead. I was pushing hard to stay ahead of Geoffers and was wondering how long I could maintain that pace without running out of rubber?? My pace was keeping Tony in sight and he was leaving lots of rubber smoke in the air. Then he missed one of those camouflaged right hand turns and ran down the escape road. .... I had risen to 3rd place!! But Geoffers was only a couple of seconds back and more than capable of catching me. I could only hope that his qually time was done on low fuel where my was on full tanks?
I was slowly stretching the gap, but at what cost to my tyres and was Geoffers being "clever"? and playing the waiting game. Then what I suspect were a couple of small mistakes by Geoffers gave me another few seconds and a little respite. When he retired I almost crashed myself as I scanned the positions list to see where he was!!  After a lap or two I realised that Geoffers was out and Matt was the next car behind, but that was around 17 secs back.
I was now able to ease off and just watch the gap back to Matt. I did catch Ziu and Erling as they left the pits, but that was not a race that I was going to be part of, so I let them go and concentrated on 3rd spot.
The race became quite boring, watching the gap and the tyres as the laps counted down until frustration almost cost me the race on the penultimate lap. I wondered if I could get a 2:15 lap on ( badly ) worn tyres? Exiting that small chicane I spun up the rear wheels a little too much and it speared left. I managed to get the brakes on and reduce the front end impact. Even so, there was definitely something wrong with the handling after that, but with only a lap to go and a big safety margin I was able to cruise to the finish and 3rd spot.

I confess that I did do some serious pre race practice for this race and with these cars, maybe about 3 hrs total?. Normally I would only do 20-30 minutes at most for any races, even if I do not know the track. Also, my request for clues to what pace would be expected was genuine, as I had decided to try and master these cars and had no idea what pace to expect around here. I suspect that in future information like that might not be so forthcoming? ::)

Just to be open and honest here, I did try the Div 1 cars as well. My best lap around Singapore was a 2:09, but as I confessed to Erling, I felt that lap was a total fluke and it would need many more hours practice to repeat that consistently.  It will be some time before I race a Div 1 car!!

Yes my qually time was on low fuel Clive, but I was able to do 2.14s regularly on full tanks in practice. Intrigued by your statement about upping the coast diff to stop the tail spinning out on turn in, I was having the opposite problem, the car understeering into the turns. That is why I was slow on lap one in that twisty section, I could not get the front to bite. It maybe that there is a chassis difference between the 80 & 81 cars.

Anyway my race was very disappointing, I clouted the wall more times in the first 3 laps than I had done in 25-30 laps of testing. Eventually I hit the wall that sticks out exiting the very sharp LHer half way around the lap, ended up facing the wrong way on the racing line just as Matt & Co were approaching so hit 'Esc' to avoid any potential accident.

Congrats to the podium, cya all at Riverside.  :thumbup1:

FWIW Geoffers...

I too had major probs getting the front to turn in during my testing sessions, until I realised that I was trailing the throttle and not actually allowing the coast side of the diff to work. Also discovered that the front tyres would not brake and turn at the same time, so it was necessary to take my foot completely off the brake and the gas to get the car to turn.
 It took a lot of concentration, and faith, to allow the car to roll into the corner apex under pure momentum, before getting on the gas pedal to invoke a little oversteer under acceleration. Then it was a balancing act to keep the rear end from breaking away whilst getting the max power onto the road.

I suspect that the extra coast side diff was required to compensate for all of the other things I had done to try and force the car to rotate? I had already, amongst other things tried and discarded:-

 raised the rear ( to put more load on the front tyres)
 lowered the front ( ditto)
 reduced the front A/R bar
 Raised the rear A/R bar
 lowered the front bump
 raised the rear bump
 increased the toe in on front
 reduced tow out on rear
 even changed tyre pressures
 reduced the clutches ( locking )
 
In the process I probably negated any differences in chassis differences between 80 & 81?
 

Holiday greetings  ;D :

Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Singapore_04092017)

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First of all a get well soon to Bill - hope the injury isn't serious.

Race was very boring and utterly lonely.  Overshot under braking on cold tyres on L2, giving Tony the opportunity to slip past.  Reclaimed 2nd when he went wide at T2/3 the following lap.  Soon after he left, while ahead Ziu was quickly gone.  Met up with him again in the pits; he must have spent more time with the pit board, as the gap was shortened when we left (or maybe he started with less fuel). Clive got sandwiched between us, but let me past as he said.

Ziu quickly disappeared again, and 2nd half was as lonely as the 1st, apart from lapping a few cars towards the end.  Had a splitting migraine, so took some perseverance to complete the race with the screaming Capri, especially given I could just have stopped and scored the same class result anyway.

Grats to Ziu on unmatchable pace and the win, grats to Mr 2:25 (Clive)  :D on the Div 2 win and the rest of the podium there.  Commiserations to Geoffers & Tony.

Div 1 has become pretty pointless, with only 3 drivers, with greatly segregated laptimes. Ziu will never be challenged, I can only hope he screws up, and Tony can only hope the same for Ziu and me. Just show up and do a lap, and you're guarantied a podium finish. Not much challenge in that  :(   Thus strongly contemplating leaving it too, if the 3 of us all want to do that.

As some have suggested, it's probably a good idea to stick to one of the classes, if we (hopefully) use these cars again in upcoming seasons.  Liking extremes as I do, I'd prefer it to be Div 1, but will of course go with Div 2, if that's the chosen one.

Cheers,
Erling

I didn't even get chance to turn a wheel here until Sunday afternoon, Started in the 2:48's and got down to 2:20 as I found out where the track actually went and began to recognise some of the almost invisible turns. Managed to get into the 2:19's in Q and 2:18's in the race so admit I really needed at least another night's worth of practising to have progressed any further up the field. Like Erling I had a very lonely race apart from early on when I was battling with Roguk until I got a better exit onto one of the straights and managed to out drag him down to the next corner. Managed to keep Matt visible ahead until just after half way when a few weird laps where I completely forgot where the course went and overshot a few corners or changed down ridiculously early thinking it was a different corner completely I was approaching which put me some 15 or so seconds ahead of Bob who had replaced Roguk behind and a similar distance behind Matt who was driving a very consistent race ahead. I had switched to the D2 cars mid season in the hope of finding a sparing partner being easily the slowest of the D1 drivers but it doesn't seem to be shaping up that way at all unfortunately.

Was glad though to manage to keep it out of the walls other than a few glancing blows but didn't suffer any noticeable damage. Eased off towards the end when I saw 1st Ziu and then Erling approaching from behind so figured as I was in a very safe 5th with no chance of advancing further there was little point in pushing as the tyres were beginning to show their age somewhat.

Congrats to Ziu on another win and Erling and Clive for rounding out the top 3. Commiserations to the retirements.It's a shame repairing these during the race isn't an option.

Like Erling said I would like to see these come back again in the future but stick with either D1 or D2. I just don't think there are enough of us to drive 2 separate classes unfortunately. :(

Thanks all, enjoyed it as usual.

Hope you are better soon Bill.

TTFN
John.
 

Lucky fella, Cheers Kurt  :thumbup1:

I dont care to talk about my race because not has sense that Erling and me go walking with just two Div1  with Tony off after some lap only.
I dont care to win a race so and worse win a championship so ( i dont won it even but i m sure that also to Erling does not like win so ).
For me race is battle with Geoffers, Clive, Matt and all you and for got it i decided to abandon Div1 and take Div2 for the next races.
It s clear that for me if Erling choose to go head with Div1 i will accept this because rules allow it and it s right that every one can does the better for himself.

Talking about difference beetween Div2 81 and Div2 80 i think that are both balanced also if i prefer Div80 ( i think to drive the car number 54 ) because is less understeering than Div81 also if Div81 is little more quick on the straights.

I hope that in future we can do again a championship with this cars and i think that this last races will be a good test for Div2, it mean that i m think that for see a great champiionship should be better use Div2 80 and Div2 81 also because with tyre wear and not pitstop (  this is a long speech because with tyre wear x2 one could decide to pitting and change his tires ) it s more strategic.

An other possibility could be change Division as we did with F167 with Pool1 Pool2 Pool3 dependently from standings.............but it s the Boss that decide, just i m asking to have a balanced championship.

Some people have pointed out the lack of numbers in Div 1 and I could not argue with anyone who suggested that, based on my usual pace, I should be driving a Div 1 car in this series and add to the small group in that class.
Although I am a relative Noobie in GTL I do seem to be able to compete with most of the carsets and at least give the aliens at the front something to think about. But from the start of this Asian Capri season I was totally out of my depth and struggling.

I found the Div 1 cars absolutely impossible to drive, and initially the Div 2 cars were not much better. I started the season in the slowest '79 cars because they were only ones where I could control the power and complete a lap without incidents. I also decided to avoid pitstops wherever possible, because they always cost me far too much time. So the first 2 races were simply a case of keeping the car on the grey stuff and preserving the tyres to avoid a pitstop. I felt that I was just trundling around and getting in the way when the Div 1 cars came up to lap me. TBH I almost decided to abandon this series because I was so uncomfortable and frustrated with it.
But I decided to keep going and try and find some time to understand how these cars work, as they feel so different to everything else that I have driven in simracing.
Gradually, I have progressed up through the 80 and 81 cars, and this race at Singapore was truly the first one where I felt that I was driving an 81 Div 2 car at a competitive pace and managed to be close to Geoffers time, which I took to be a good sign of progress.
 
For me the next step would be to try using the Div 1 cars, but I am a long way off the pace of Erling and Geoffers and Ziu and would be simply running around at the back of the pack. If Tony decides that I should really be running in Div 1 for the rest of the season, then I would give it a go and would not argue.

If Tony decides to run this series again next season with Div 1 cars only, I would have to spend a lot of time practising with these beasts to get up to a speed anything like the front runners. It would also require me to sort out my pitstops, but that is a major problem for me whatever cars we are driving!!!

@ Clive, not my place, or desire,  to dictate which class driver's run in. Do whatever you get the most fun from.

Season 18 is fully allocated now and these cars do not feature.

I would prefer to use cars that can be repaired at pit stops so that probably defines whether we use them again in the future.

Thanks folks for your concern, after I'd removed the hospital supplied, shower proof dressing, I found I could move more freely with less pain. Tuesday we went to WsM to do some business and I had a good walk along the front and ankle freed up more and made driving easier. I was able to put in a few laps on Thursday's RRE race so I hope to drive CanAm on Monday. ;D  :rockon:

Good news Bill  :)