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Track: Sebring (12hr course) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg241329#post_sebring_vlm)

Please add this patch: http://www.mediafire.com/file/m3ns7flzabn00i6/Sebring_12h.trk

Put this file in to the folder called Sebring_12hr and allow it to overwrite.

Cars allowed: Ford GT40

Required Skins

Ford GT40 Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/file/0744xgvo9151qmo/Ford_GT40.zip)

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (20 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None

Appetiser  :drool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKlSqXNfIo

IMPORTANT

Original track download has been replaced by a better version. Please use this download (Sebring Virtual_LM (v1.00.0.0)).

I really really really hate Virtua LM tracks, they look great, but I can't race on them usually  :o
The Rouen one is not so bad, this one is terrible! With all detail at min, and shadows off, everything
set to absolute minimum (which generally makes no difference at VLM tracks, as they seem to
think "why would anyone not want all this eye candy?" ) I get as low as 42 FPS, max is around 70 FPS
I can't race like that. The screen is so choppy I fall off at most turns with the delayed response.
Please can we use the boring but raceworthy other version?

Can I get anyone else's opinion of this version please?

Agree with Matt.  My screen is like looking at a old silent movie.  I have raced this version in the past and I believe there was a fix for the flickering, if I remember right it did away with the fireworks and some of the scenery.  Looked on NG for a fix and not there.  Will keep looking.....

Bob M.

I see no fireworks, as I have everything off. I have tried in cockpit view, nose view, and it makes no difference
Just tried the 2005 version, and I get 96-120 on the pit straight rather than the 45-55 I get with VLM
and over 200 at places where I get 72 in VLM
Also, I seem to remember.. that the VLM one has some open areas at T1 and maybe other places that have
some really annoying cut tracks ? could be wrong, but I think I remember some heated discussions.
Maybe that was in P&G.

Well I haven't tried the previous version and I get good fps all over at this one.

But track cut messages are ridiculously severe (T1 for example). Plus its an abomination of a track as far as layout is concerned when compared to earlier versions.(Stupid chicanes everywhere). I'm considering myself fortunate at the moment that I Will probably not be able to make this one due to work.

TTFN
John

It appears that there is a later version (1.1) which supposedly fixes the strict cuts. However the download link is duff (http://forum.emacberry.com/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=7201). Also the update read-me doesn't claim to fix any graphics issues.

There is a V2 for Rfactor2, and Altbiere have a d/l, but I can't get at it, cos I forgot
my account there, Could be same version, but i can see.

The Altbiere one is Ver. 1.0

Bob M has kindly provided a patch for the 1.0 version. Get it here http://www.mediafire.com/file/m3ns7flzabn00i6/Sebring_12h.trk

Put this file in to the folder called Sebring_12hr and allow it to overwrite.

Drivers with stuttering troubles are asked to try this https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12160.msg218224#msg218224 and report back with their conclusions.

Also they could try setting the shadow level to Auto using the GTLConfig.exe file found in the main GTL folder.

The patch cured my FPS problem, but I think some of the jittery picture is built right into the track by the author.  Sebring is a very rough track made of concrete mostly with lots of expansion joints and cracks.  It's a old WW2 aircraft training base and uses much of the old taxi ways and such.  I think they (track author) tried to make it as realist as possible and they succeded !  The race is always described as very hard on drivers and equipment when they telecast it on the tube.
Now if I could only get a handle on how to drive the GT40, if you slide the tires it seems to me you really have your hands full of a nasty car.  Guess I better get to work on it...........

Bob M.

Hello guys. Joao here, from Portugal. I am new here. 
I have tried the lm track v1.0 , and all three tracks are working without problems.
No jitter at all, stable 40 fps and up, and I'm using GEMfx with some effects added,
with 1xfxaa, and also with some mods, hq skies, tread, hq ai, hq gfx, and some others.
Without GEMfx I get over 100 fps. My pc is a i7 2.8ghz, 4gig ram, and a modest
radeon hd7670m. ( even though I have a gtx780ti that I am going to install soon ).

cheers,

jg

Hi Joao and welcome to UKGTL. I've noticed you on our practice server, maybe we will see you in a race one day?
Cheers
Tony

I can turn cuts off if we cannot find a fix

True, it feels like a heavy old beast to drive but I am enjoying trying to tame her. Corners are taken very respectfully and I wish it came with brakes. Engine health may be a problem to those who like to use the downshift to provide extra braking so watch those % numbers. I'm still learning the track (getting my excuses in early) but my best so far is a 2:33.7 with full tanks. I can only get the tyres to go green if I do doughnuts.

Love to watch and listen GT40's on real track but indeed it's highly sophisticated - and impossible for me  :P - to tame these beasts.
The more as I'll be away from Thursday till Sunday and I don't have time for practicing - as usual  ::)
Hoping to find a driveable online setup.

Some more appetizers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jF__B1xpJY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jF__B1xpJY)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmtKrUkjZ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmtKrUkjZ8)

You can watch how difficult it is to master these beasts  ;D

Not GT40, but not bad at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv-9mx1Tg5c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv-9mx1Tg5c)  :)

Did the patch, and the 4 gig one.
Might have made a difference for a few fps, but the biggest difference was to install some older Nvidia drivers
I read a post where someone had downgraded their drivers for this sort of issue, and he went to v353
I did the same, and now I get 76 over the finish line instead of 46, and some higher numbers elsewhere
Driving the track is not as bad now, but it's still choppy somehow, and the driving experience is masochism.
The layout is not liked, the driving feels choppy, the cut tracks are just silly.
Not looking foward to this one at all.  :thumbdown:

Oh, I managed  a frustrating 2:28.6 but got angry so quit.

I did about 15 laps praccy last night and did not receive a single cut warning anywhere.

I'm short of time between now and race, don't know if I'll be able to find time to sort out fix. So I prefer you turn off cuts please but will go with majority and take my chances.

Then you are driving without taking the fastest lines. There is a cut on the inside of T1 which is insane
there are cuts on the outside of T1 where there is a wall in other versions. there is a cut on the inside of the
last turn, where if you turn in tight off the back straight you get a cut.
There may be others, but those are the only ones I have felt to be unreasonable.
The GT40 is clumsy in tight chicanes, and no cars seem to like the one just under the bridge
is better to go to the hairpin at the end, rather than that tight awkward one.
I promise I will stop slagging the track off, just I feel it's a missed oportunity for a good race.

I believe I have had this conversation in the past, possibly in P&G maybe here, the T1 cuts
follow the white lines that define the track, rather than the physical limits - walls fances etc
so racers will always take the best line where possible, so generates frustration
If you turn off cuts that will help, but the layout is not ideal for these clumsy cars IMHO

Thanks for the cut advice. Tonight (if I remember) I will turn cuts off.

@ Bill, you will need to add the provided patch or risk miss match messages.

@ Matt, and your suprised that I'm not taking the fast lines  ;)

Thanks Tony but Sebring doesn't work now there is a problem which throws me out to Desktop. Spent over half an hour already so am giving this race a miss.

Have a good race folks, hope to see you all at Watkins Glen.

Bill:
Check and see if you have another version of Sebring in your Gamedata/locations file.  If so delete them and then re-install the one we are using.  Sometimes one version of the track will interfere with another...I know not why!!!!  Hope it works for you......

Bob M.

IMPORTANT

Race laps reduced to 20

Hi Tony. I'm happy to be here, great forum, with lots of great drivers.
I'm new to sim racing. Begun 4 or 5 months ago, with project cars.
Some time later found out about GT legends, and since I also like
older games, and classic cars, I decided to give it a try. It looks pretty good with some added fx,
and improved shading. I also like the feel of the game ( physics ). Even though it is
demanding, it also challenging and fun. Im using a thrustmaster ferrari wheel.
It's not very good, but I decided to buy something cheaper to begin with, to see
If I would to enjoy sim racing. Later on I'm planning on getting something better,
maybe 900º wheel, with some nice pedals and h shifter.
Looking forward for some racing online. Any registering needed to join the events?
( namely the sebring / gt 40 event ). Or is it only needed to be present at the qualifying session?

cheers

Hi Joao

You sound like you will fit in perfectly here. We have drivers of all ages and abilities and we are a friendly bunch (usualy  ;)).

No registering required, just turn up and drive clean. Reading this may be of some help for your first online race with us https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13639.msg245804#msg245804

The shorter races are more popular so this one will be a turn off for some but your most welcome to join in.

Hope to see you soon

Tony
 
Please look here for all Season 17 series https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=534&theme=5 Click on the series name for more details and on a race flag for fullest details.

Thanks Bob, now sorted at 4th of 5th attempt.  :thumbup1: Not raced at this version of Sebring it's certainly different from the one I've always raced on before.  :eek: Hope I can get some more practice before Monday night.  :rockon:

For the record, 2:27's with race fuel at present and screen running smooth as a baby's bottom, as they say.

Just had a training session.  Not an easy track to learn, and will never be a favorite.  Looks great though, not least compared to some of the 'simpler looking' ones we've been on recently.  No issues with frame rate at all - rarely dips below 100 and is frequently far over.  Have only tried it with Bob's patch, so can't say how bad it is without it.

Did a fair few laps and not a single cut warning, so must be doing something wrong...  :D   2:25.4 without race fuel.

Cheers,
Erling

I shall be missing this race as I am away for some R&R with the grandchildren......although how much rest I get is unsure!!!

Given the various issues I have had with graphics and frame rates it might not be a bad thing that I avoid this track?

Have fun guys.

Well at least it's not 2:19.x (yet)  ::)

I thought you had no interest in this race..  ;)

Well, the x is probably 0, but why the great secrecy ?  You're of course faster than everyone else, as usual, and knowing your laptimes does not magically make the rest of us any faster...  ::)

Cheers,
Erling

I will be editing the seat position up/down values in my GT40 to test whether such a change causes a miss-match warning. If it causes a message I will revert back to the default values.

Having completed quite a considerable number of practice laps since your comment Ziu, I find the GT40 is driving the same as it always has since the game was introduced way back in 2005. So by my reckoning, there shouldn't be any surprises as to how it handles.

I'm down to mid 26's now with race fuel and is probably the most I can get out of her.

Still running smoothly here.

Tony - I've never adjusted my seat. Perhaps I should be! Are you doing it to alter the weight distribution or for a better view of the track/dials?

i can perhaps make this race, long time not drive GTL.
i did already any practise laps in server and like i did read from other posts, the cutwarnings in this track are not good, i got any if i come in outside of track in 2xdifferent places where i did loose time, so learning where you get trackwarning is important i think, as with this car it is very easy to come in outside of track, as the car is not realy easy to drive (for me), the cutwarning looks like random? for me (sorry i am not sure if random is correct word, i am not good in english).

yes, FPS is heavy on this track, but if i set all cores use, then no problems for me.

is there a force pitstop for this race, or can i make race without pitstop, i do ask, because in GTL i often had problems in past with pitstops.

i realy hope i can make this race, as the old games still are very good racegames.

servus

Well, it's flying, it's at Sebring, and I identify it as a GT40   :P

(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/phspok1/GT40FLyingSebring.jpg)

Hi Berger, welcome home. Cuts are off for this race so no worries. No Pitstops required unless you need one (and you should not).

Better view/driving position

Well I'm down to a 2:29 now but it's hard to see where I will make up any more time  :-\

Have you done the patch Bill? I get loading Bill Thomas continually

I just joined with Bill with no probs. He is in the 92 car

If it's identified, it's no longer a UFO...  ;D

Cheers,
Erling

At a different location now, I am installing the patches etc, I will test in a bit
It showed Bill in a 1275 Mini, probably becasue that was the last car that system saw.

I thought I had, will look at again now.

More like destruction derby than GT40 racing, not for me!  :(

Early bath again. Sorry Kurt for hit up back at start.  :-[ Think it bent something as car just wouldn't drive around the fast curves but ran wide into tyre walls, getting progressively worse.  :o

Had not seen the add skins link.....

Very sorry to read that Geoffers. Doesn't sound like our usual standards? Let me watch the replay please.

Oh No!

Little wonder you were have troubles.............(I had even included a Team Pseudo skin)

Results and replay now posted

Very pleased to knock 2 secs off my pb giving me a place on the second row and even more pleased with my start, passing Berger, Geoffers and Erling within the first few hundred yards.

Although not the quickest round some of the corners, I did manage to hold first place (rare for me) for a while, when I then made a couple of braking errors which dropped me down to 3rd. A shame Geoffers didn't stick with it - on my replay your car (and Bergers) are invisible so I can't work out what your reasons were, but I'm sure your pace would have got you ahead of me later in the race.

Ziu was soon filling the rear mirror and took a succession of corners far smoother than me to pass and catch the group ahead.

Well done to Berger and to Ziu for second place having started from the back.

A very enjoyable race.

 

I surrender, it s better that I change sport, starting tomorrow to play chess, with my arm I can just do it !

Speed Chess of course, hope your arm recover's soon.

Soon when ? Never. I m driving always in bad conditions and when starting the summer it s worst !

That's a well known bug Steve.  If you go straight from the race and load the replay, several cars will be invisible.  Just exit the replay and load it again; then all will show up.


Enjoyed the race.  It handles like a pig, but I still love the GT40, for the sheer challenge of driving it, and with Ducfreak's sound mod, it just sounds so deliciously raw.

When guest drivers announced their participation, I feared it would be the alien kind, like our guest drivers always seem to be. Sure enough, when I joined the server, Berger was posting frankly absurd laptimes.  Can't complain about qual - until today, my pb had been a 2:24.5, so well chuffed with getting a low 23 lap.

Completely mugged by Steve off the line, and at T1 Ziu was already through - was that part of a master plan ?    Hung on to 5th on L1, and on L2 passed Geoffers after he and Ziu touched. Right after Berger spun in front of me, so suddenly I was in 3rd, chasing Ziu.  He made it past Steve, whom I then chased.  Made it past when he lost momentum after going over the grass.

Berger soon caught and passed me.  Surprised to keep pace with him and Ziu over several laps, but apparently their dicing held Berger back.  Then on L10, I spun when entering the first part of the final hairpin. and thus lost contact with the leaders.  Desperate to get going again before Steve caught me, and just managed so.  He went off on the next lap, so the threat was reduced.

Berger had gotten away from Ziu, and I had a 5-6 secs gap to the latter.  Got a little closer towards the very end, but too little too late.  Grats to Berger & Ziu.  Commiserations to those that left, for one reason or other.

Have a peculiar problem with my replay.  In the race replay, both my own and the server replay, all cars with copper coloured wheels have black wheels (I hate black wheels!).  In the hot lap replay from the very same race however, all looks normal.  Anyone else have this ?

Cheers,
Erling

Well, with almost no practice as I wasn't expecting to make this one I had no idea what to expect. I was (am) still getting caught out at least once every 5 laps or so simply because I couldn't remember where the track went or thinking the corner I was heading into was a different one to what was actually there. Downloaded a set up off NG which after reducing the steering sensitivity went with it pretty much as it came. I hadn't even got out of the 1:29's leading up to the race so was quite chuffed to put in a 1:27 in qualy and even creep into the 1:26's in the race. Had a good dice with Bob until around lap 7-8 me following him for a few laps before managing to sneak past into the final corner, he was than large in my mirrors until I spun when I lost concentration. I then had a few horror laps with a few more spins and found myself 20s adrift and running alone. I was able to more or less match Bob's lap times and slowly increase the gap back to Tony and SpecialKS but pretty boring after the excitement of the earlier laps.

I definitely need a lot more time in these, I'm finding them a bit of a handful at the moment. Not the sweet motor I was expecting given their reputation. Still don't like this version of Sebring, it's a very "pretty" and well made rendition but not the best layout by a long way. (JMO).

TTFN
John.

Hi guys. Too bad I couldnt make it to the race. Even though I
would not be very competitive, I would have liked to race.
No worries. Will try to be at the upcoming event.
Already downloaded the track, and done a couple of practice laps.
About the frame rate issues on some tracks, even though I
have little to no issues, I used to have a few frame drops, speccially
at le mans 1977, and then I did the 4 gig patch, to allow the game
more ram usage, and also set the priority to high, in the plr file,
which makes the game run on high priority. All in all I gained about
5 fps and the frame drops went away. Maybe this will help someone.

Cheers,

jg

Thx for the advice Erling, I'll check the replay again this evening.

No problem Bill. My fault - my usual start like a sleeping pill  ::)

Hope to see you at Watkins then. BTW you can also set the affinity for GTL in Windows Task Manager to run on all cores not just one.

Heck, I find these cars a real trial to setup and drive. Whoever thought this champ up needs sacking  :wacko:

Thanks to Kurt though, last night's race turned out to be great fun. We were both running at about the same pace and both of us swopped places due to our unforced errors. I won in the end but it could so easily have been reversed. So thanks Kurt, good close racing and loads of lol's.

I found that setting the affinity to be all (which I hadn't bothered to try until Reinhard suggested it)
made a huge difference to frame rate, instead of running 100% on one core it spread the load across
all 4 to some extent. I have not yet figured how to set it permanently.  ???

Shame I was dumb enough to not read the required skins link..... It looked like I would be a bit competitive
as I was dipping into the 24s

Decent race for me, finished better than I thought I would.  Not really action packed but because the GT40  takes all my focus wasn't at all boring.  First few laps John and I had a small battle going.  Then my rear tires heated up and he got by me.  Followed him for a while and then noticed he was having tire troubles so decided to pressure him a little and he spun it just before the last straight and must had wounded his car some because he fell back and didn't really challenge me again.  About the half way point I started to see Steve way off in the distance and tried to close on him but couldn't put any fast laps together to gain on him.  Gain a little and then the rears would get slimey and no grip.  At about L17 or so just decided to just bring the beast home...
Just watched the replay of our podium drivers for the first half of the race.  You guys really are very talented and great drivers.  Too bad Geoff got roughed up or would have been four up there and even more exciting.  Grats to you guys.  Welcome to Mr Berger, I remember you from some years back in the GC-GTC races.  Another alien,  was a master Porker driver if I remember right....Good fun and thanks to Tony for the series, when I first saw it I internally groaned "OH No" not the GT40.  But spent a lot of time trying to tame it and was good fun after all!!!

Bob M.

There's a small program you can use for that: SetAffinity.exe.  You simply use it to launch GTL - my shortcut for GTL reads like this: ....\GTL\SetAffinity.exe 1 GTL.exe  (The 1 does not mean 'use 1 core', but rather 'use all cores').  I can mail to you if you like.

Thanks to Bob for his very kind words.  Wish I truly deserved them, but can't relly mix it with the likes of Berger, Ziu & Geoffers for the most parts too - I just pick up the pieces once in a while when they get it wrong...  ;)

Cheers,
Erling

PS:  Anyone else have the peculiar 'black wheels' problem I mentioned in my report ?

Black wheels in my replay

Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Sebring 29052017)

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Great fun indeed - also at the back of the pack  :) Thanks Tony!

And also without one single lap of practice before 8pm. Sometimes unexpected surprises happen.

Used a stock setup for Zolder delivered with the original mod with some slight adjustments only and was surprised positively.

Have run the replay again as Erling suggested and all cars do indeed now show up. I think my maintaining the lead was helped a little by what was going on behind me....... :-\

Everyone has black wheels except Bob, Jeep and myself.

This one?

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=6329 (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=6329)

Never had these problems still using a computer, cpu and graphic card from 2008, but maybe I'm not enough sighted out in technical matters.

That's a different one I think. May be a smarter solution, if you don't have to use the affinity program each time you start GTL.

Cheers,
Erling

Thanks Steve & Tony.  Relieved to her it's not only me.  Upgraded video card & drivers recently, which seems to have produced some strange flicker from car headlights in my Cadwell replay.  Feared the black wheels were another anomaly.

Cheers,
Erling

Kurt's link if for XP but I think from correspondence it works OK on Win 7. Which is best for Win 7? Also can it be loaded as part of start up to benefit web browsing etc?

Experience, advice would be appreciated.  ;D

Have only tried the one I'm using myself, so can't say if Kurt's is better, or whether it can be used generally at startup.  The one I'm using is program specific, as it needs to launch the program in question.  You could probably create shortcuts with this included as launcher for all the programs you like.  Doubt you would feel much difference, if any with your browser though - I expect it would rarely be able to max out even 1 core.

Also, before using this to launch a specific program, it would be worth checking whether said program needs it at all - if it is already using multiple cores, there's of course no need to launch it with the Affinity program.

Cheers,
Erling

Thanks Erling point taken.