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Title: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 04, 2016, 03:15:22 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=557&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

Track: Silverstone GP 2011 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg187123#post_silverstone11)

Cars allowed: Ford GT40

Required Skins

Ford GT40 Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/file/0744xgvo9151qmo/Ford_GT40.zip)

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (24 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: BillThomas on August 04, 2017, 12:09:01 PM +0100
Tony why are you using this version and not an earlier one more appropriate to the GT40 era?  ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 05, 2017, 03:28:53 PM +0100
Tony why are you using this version and not an earlier one more appropriate to the GT40 era?  ???
Hi Bill, looks like you didn't read this https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=557&theme=5


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: BillThomas on August 05, 2017, 07:49:40 PM +0100
Tony why are you using this version and not an earlier one more appropriate to the GT40 era?  ???
Hi Bill, looks like you didn't read this https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=557&theme=5

Thank you, I stand corrected! :oops:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Berger R - 74 on August 06, 2017, 09:00:55 AM +0100
i try to make this race.
monday not optimal day for racing it is, but i hope i can make the race.

servus


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 06, 2017, 11:41:45 AM +0100
i try to make this race.
monday not optimal day for racing it is, but i hope i can make the race.

servus

Great, hope you can make it.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: EvilClive on August 11, 2017, 03:31:38 PM +0100
Ok, so I wasn't anticipating being around for this race, but plans have changed. So because it IS the GT40 and it IS at Silverstone I think I might risk making a complete a** of myself and give this a go!

Does anyone have a target laptime that might be sensible...by that I mean NOT alien speed and maybe somewhere around midfield??  Just to give me something to use as a benchmark?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: misnoimis on August 12, 2017, 12:03:05 PM +0100
I should be able to make this race on Monday. My Golf Club has closed half the course for summer maintenance and the competition is only over nine holes. So in theory I should be home in good time. I have downloaded the skins and looked at the track so now I just need to get in a bit of practice. I find the GT40 a tricky car to drive, a spin waiting to happen. This time I think I really will be at the tail end of things. Hope to see all Monday evening.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Geoffers on August 12, 2017, 01:25:02 PM +0100

Does anyone have a target laptime that might be sensible...by that I mean NOT alien speed and maybe somewhere around midfield??  Just to give me something to use as a benchmark?

Put it this way Clive, if you can get near Demetrio's lap record above, you will be well ahead of me!  :whistling:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 12, 2017, 03:28:03 PM +0100
My best time in race trim is 2:31.3


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Jeep on August 12, 2017, 05:05:27 PM +0100
Hoping to make this one but not really had much time to practice.

Currently way off the pace down in the 2:33's. But at least I've now finally come to terms with where this version goes, so hopefully I'll not be a danger to anyone more than normal.

TTFN
John


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: EvilClive on August 12, 2017, 06:41:45 PM +0100

Does anyone have a target laptime that might be sensible...by that I mean NOT alien speed and maybe somewhere around midfield??  Just to give me something to use as a benchmark?

Put it this way Clive, if you can get near Demetrio's lap record above, you will be well ahead of me!  :whistling:

hahahahahaha!! If I could get anywhere near that I would not be asking for clues from you guys!!

Initial attempts were around John's times. Then I set about taming the car and the setup to suit me better and I am now nearer to Tony's effort. As has been said, this car does not appear to tolerate bad driving and will bite back at the slightest provocation, so I will have to control my urge to slide the rear about. Can I do that for 24 laps??? I doubt it............... :-\


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Geoffers on August 12, 2017, 07:27:36 PM +0100
We raced the GT40 at NG a couple of weeks ago at Mosport 09. Cap7 has put his setup on the online setup folders for that track if anyone wants to try it. When I tried it at Mosport I was a second faster than with my own setup from our first race at Sebring.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Berger R - 74 on August 13, 2017, 12:47:10 PM +0100
hi toni,

i am on server and i did any laps, i see, that server is set to 24 laps, which is longer then 1st race in sebring, here i saw in standings 20laps with laptimes 2.20 around, here a lap is longer, so will this 24laps be correct for the race?

is not easy to drive this car again after many races with modern GT3 cars i did in past months, but after any laps it is good feeling again, only the brake distance is hard to learn new, so long distance this car need to brake for a corner, in my brain i have other brake points for corners.

servus


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 13, 2017, 07:44:12 PM +0100
Hi Berger, yes I think 24 laps is correct for this circuit. Should be a one hour race.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: 55steve55 on August 13, 2017, 08:49:26 PM +0100
I'm finding I'm barely touching the corner curbs to be awarded a cut then a sng. If this is correct then I'm happy to accept it, but this track does seem to be somewhat over-sensitive.

Early sessions at 2:30.4 on race fuel.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: EvilClive on August 13, 2017, 10:22:28 PM +0100
I managed a sub 2:30 , but I'm not sure that I can maintain that level of extreme concentration x 24 laps!!  The odd thing is that I cannot get the front tyres to heat up ?? is that a glich with the GT40 or with me and my driving???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: SpecialKS on August 14, 2017, 06:31:53 AM +0100
Away over the weekend - so no private praccy at all.
Hoping for cap7's setup tonight  :P


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 14, 2017, 10:31:38 AM +0100
I managed a sub 2:30 , but I'm not sure that I can maintain that level of extreme concentration x 24 laps!!  The odd thing is that I cannot get the front tyres to heat up ?? is that a glich with the GT40 or with me and my driving???
They may not heat up as much as the rears but they wear out quicker!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 14, 2017, 10:00:49 PM +0100
Results and replay now posted


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Redvaliant on August 14, 2017, 10:20:57 PM +0100
Hi guys. That was a tough tough race, but bloody great all the same 8).  Here come the Racer Excuses 101:  
 I did okay in qly, the old barge largely did what I asked it to - understeer here, oversteer there and dozie doe your partner. I got a great start, up to 3rd and held it around the first few cnrs even though the cars behind me were faster...I love clean racers who give you room in the melee at the start!  
After a couple of laps I started to get dizzy and lose focus in my eyes with an attendant headache growing lap by lap, but I held on thinking - there's only 100 laps to go, lol.
  (I felt kinda strange and flushed all day but ignored it because, Racing!)
 I tried to stay with Clive when he got past but was finding it hard to stay on top of the car and the track with having to look aside from my screen to try and get my eyes to refocus. Then I grabbed 1st instead of 3rd into the WORST CORNER IN THE WORLD complex and decided to manage my pace. It worked for quite a while but a few missed gears and braking points and I fell back behind OLD G and Tony. Sorry OLD G about that contact into Brooklands - I lost sight of the markers and slid into you...oops!  I've been at this game for near on 20 years and I think that may have been the hardest race I've ever done - even endurance races and GPL events back in the day.  Don't race when you are getting sick, I reckon.  An interesting experience all the same, and learning that these old cars need to be aggressively handled or kid-gloved around a track; there's no middle ground with them at all.
Thanks for the racing and see you next time, Daniel.  


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 14, 2017, 10:27:17 PM +0100
It's great to read how much you love our events Daniel but.................take care of yourself mate. I don't like to read about eye troubles during a race. Be well, stay well.

Cheers

WT


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: BillThomas on August 15, 2017, 05:58:36 AM +0100
Apologies to Roger for the tap causing you to spin. After a number of offs the car wouldn't brake in a straight line, so I quit! :'(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: EvilClive on August 15, 2017, 10:11:44 AM +0100
Grats to Berger and Geoffers who were in a different league altogether, and how they were extracting those laptimes from these cars is a total mystery to me.

Still, to finish on the podium was very encouraging for me, considering where I started from in the GT40 a few days ago. First attempts were in the 2:35 region and with a car that felt like it was programmed to kill me. Another couple of sessions and some tweaking of setups was slowly developing a more stable car that gave me the confidence to push a little harder and get quicker.

My offline PB before the race was mid 2:28 'ish and I felt that was about as fast as I would get. Erling was almost a second a lap faster in qually and although I was an race fuel I could not be sure that Erling was in pure qually mode.

My start was poor and I lost 2 places before T1 and had to get my elbows out to stop anyone else muscling their way past. I knew from practice runs that my tyres would be slippery for the first lap or two so I concentrated on staying with the leaders. Then one of the cars ahead lost the rear end at T3 and exactly how I avoided contact I still don't know...but I was now up to 4th and tailing Erling with Red just ahead. Berger and Geoffers were checking out ahead, and I had no illusions of challenging that duo.
Erling appeared to be  a) held up by Red or b) being very clever and protecting his tyres early in the race. Whatever, it was giving me the chance to close the 3 second gap and catch the battle for 3rd place. Once I got there I could see that Red's car was getting a little squirmy ( now I know that he was having vision issues, I hope that it is just a fever and nothing more serious ). More of interest to me, was that Erling also appeared to have problems getting his car turned in at some corners...was he already struggling with front tyres??  Suddenly there was a huge gap inside Erling and I just stuck my GT40 into the space and stole the position  ;)
Red was definitely having problems now that I was able to observe it up close and Erling was obviously a little miffed about my opportunist pass as he was sitting on my tailpipes. Erling returned the pass when I was forced to back off when Red wobbled mid corner and I was back in 5th again.  When Red spun and Erling swept past I fully expected to watch him pull away and in my hurry to stay with him I missed a braking point and ran wide. I thought that was the end of my challenge, but slowly I reeled him in again and the closer I got the more I could see him fighting the rear end of his car.
Once I caught him I was happy to sit and wait for a few laps and watch where I had an advantage. There were a couple of places where I was taking a few tenths out of his time and I was just planning how to make that work for me when his car screwed off the track. It may have been very rude, but I did not need to be asked twice and I jumped into 3rd place and set about escaping from him.

Arnold's work on the setup ( more by luck than judgement I suspect) had produced a car where I could mash the accelerator out of most corners and the rear would still stick behind the front wheels. Also the changes to the diff and roll bars allowed me a controlled, stable entry to most corners, the result was that my tyres were lasting extremely well. I now needed to maintain clean laps and steal those tenths on the parts where I was quickest, without giving away anything around the rest of the lap.
It all worked perfectly and although I never approached the pace of the leading 2 cars I was able to sneak away from Erling for a comfortable podium spot.
Quite gratified to see that my tyres were all evenly worn and still showing a hint of green at the end, with a whole second knocked off my previous PB too.  ;D

Maybe these cars aren't so bad after all? and I might consider joining the next round .................... if Arnold can work his magic on the setup again.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: misnoimis on August 15, 2017, 11:14:14 AM +0100
A rather boring and lonely race for me last night. I practiced on Saturday evening after a couple of glasses of wine with a meal and after fiddling with the set up got in a lap of 2m30.01s. It must have been the wine helping because I couldn’t match that on Monday. I was expecting to get into the 2m29’s or better and race midfield.

After the start I got caught up in someone else’s accident at Turn2 and was deposited to the back of the field. I got my head down on regaining the track and tried to close the gap on the cars in front but found the gap to be slowly widening which was discouraging to say the least.

I was surprised at how quickly the front tyres went off. After about one third of the race in my case. I think my set was wrong along with my driving style. I had a few interesting laps in front of a recovering Tony but could see he was much faster and closing fast. When I tried to pick up my pace a little the front tyres said enough and I went wide letting him though. On regaining the track the car did its own thing and span.

I spent the middle third of the race learning how to drive the GT40 on tyres that were shot (I had only practiced on fresh tyres) and the last third touring round on my own which was pretty much uneventful. I guess I if I had put more effort into the preparation for this race I could have made it more interesting for myself.

Grats to all finishers, podiums and winner. :thumbup1: :thumbup2: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Erling G-P on August 15, 2017, 01:15:44 PM +0100
Like hinted at by John earlier, I too find this version of Silverstone very confusing.  I keep trying to - and failing - to match various sections with parts of the earlier layout, which I know better.  In this car, it was a real challenge - those slow corners that go on and on and on was a true test of your self restraint.

Happy with qual, when I dipped into the 2:27 laptimes for the first time, securing 3rd on the grid.   Race itself was a disappointment. Berger & Geoffers were so far removed from the rest of us that they might as well have run entirely different cars. However, the absence of a certain Sardinian gave hopes of a podium finish being within reach.  Not to be, when a surprisingly fast Clive thwarted my plans. In qual, I had been decidedly quicker, but in the race, our roles were reversed.  Throughout he appeared to have bags more grip than me, and it was a genuine mystery to me how he could maintain those fast laps right to the end.

Clive sums up the race well in his post, and I have little to add. When he passed me for good, I got the line over the blind crest before the pit entrance wrong, ending up on the curb/grass. Already had one nonsense cut warning, and didn't want another.  Had to slow down, or I would have gotten one in that place, handing 3rd to Clive. Managed to repeat the error next lap, crowning it with a spin. Thus the gap to Clive was 8+ seconds and kept extending 1-2 secs a lap to the end, despite my best efforts.

Grats to the podium, and to Clive for apparently finding the magic setup formula for the GT40.  I used the Cap7 setup mentioned by Geoffers, as it was better than my own, but it is seemingy sensitive to even light tyre wear.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Geoffers on August 15, 2017, 04:22:15 PM +0100
I really like this version of Silverstone with its mix of fast & slow corners. Did a little bit of testing for this race as the GT40 is always a tricky car to drive, I think the developers deliberately gave it a low grip level so it wasn't far too fast for the GTC65 class, it always seems to be on a knife edge between understeer & oversteer.

Was happy in qually to be only 0.5s slower than Reinhard until he went 1.2s faster at the end!  :o Got a bit too much wheelspin at the start & Reinhard easily took the lead. I kept up for the first couple of laps, noticing that I seemed better on the brakes & turning into the corners but was left for dead on corner exit where Reinhard was able to get on the gas much harder & earlier than me. The gap quickly increased by 1.5 to 2s a lap but I was also pulling away from RV, Erling & Clive by the same amount, so the race was quite lonely.

However with around 5 laps left I noticed on XD Reinhard was in the pits (S/G) & I was able to grab the lead just as he was exiting. A lap later he got past on the Hanger Straight only to run wide at Abbey & let me back through. He outbraked me into Brooklands but again ran wide & I nipped back past, but the battle ended when I messed up the entrance to the Maggots/Becketts section & ran across the grass. Tried to catch back up but made a couple of mistakes on the last lap & had to settle for 2nd.

Congrats to Reinhard on what should have been a much easier win & also to Clive in 3rd.  :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: SpecialKS on August 15, 2017, 05:35:01 PM +0100
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/11Silverstone_14082017)

8)

Difficult version of Silverstone for me. Wasn't able to learn it completely  ::). Anyway I could improve
about three seconds during my shortened race. Left the track in turn 1, found myself on an unused part of the
track and completely lost orientation. When I came back I was so far back that I decided to quit.

CU next week.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 15, 2017, 06:54:10 PM +0100
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/11Silverstone_14082017)

8)

Difficult version of Silverstone for me. Wasn't able to learn it completely  ::). Anyway I could improve
about three seconds during my shortened race. Left the track in turn 1, found myself on an unused part of the
track and completely lost orientation. When I came back I was so far back that I decided to quit.

CU next week.
Oh dear, never mind Kurt, better luck next time. Thanks for the results as always  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Jeep on August 15, 2017, 10:38:36 PM +0100
Not a happy race for me at all, After about a month of smooth running GTL has gone back to it's micro freezes every few minutes. Each lasts probably less than a second but always seem to happen when I need to concentrate the most. :( 1st one was at the start, I saw the instruction to go but not the countdown. Then I got another entering T3 on lap 1 and had to take to the grass having the freeze right on my braking point. (It was me who caused the mayhem, sorry). Had a few good tussles with Tony, Bob and then misnoimis for a while until another sent me wide and into the kitty litter. Finally it happened at the end of one of the straights and I just hit esc in disgust before it ploughed into the armco and went and shouted at the cat.

I'm going to try a completely clean install and just download the track and car set I need for next week and see how that goes.

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 16, 2017, 12:35:29 PM +0100
Mostly a good race for me with many chases and duels with Clive, Jeep, Daniel and Bob but unfortunately my overriding memory of this event will be my dreadful last lap, last corner, lunge up the inside of Bob which resulted in him being knocked clear of the track.
The system recorded him as DQ which I cancelled as he did nothing wrong. Sorry Bob for the bad hit  :-[


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 GT40 Classic - Silverstone - Aug 14
Post by: Bob M. on August 16, 2017, 11:48:25 PM +0100
Really not much to report on this race.  Had a couple of battles early with Tony & John, had a pretty good setup for early in the race. Then about lap 16 or so the car went into understeer real bad especialy in the tight corners and the final chicane.  Was just kind of running down the laps when about that time L16 or so Tony appeared in my mirror. He was a lot better in the tight corners but it seemed my car got out of the corners better so was able to hold him off.  Then on the last lap we came together at the final chicane and I was bumped off.  I guess I had two cuts, I was aware of only one but so it goes with this track.  Anyway as I crossed the finish line I got the old GTL DQ.  As our incident happened after the pit enterance it is impossible to make a pass through before the race end so Tony gave me my actual finish spot.  Thanks Tony!!!  I think this has happened to someone last year also.  Guess it is just one of those GTL things....Anyway off to Budapest next week, this track I like, seems to have a good rythum to it.  Try the Fer. GTO as all I have left is the Cobra, GTO and Renault, and will run the Renault at NOS for sure, can't imagine me and  the Cobra or GTO there...

Bob M.