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Title: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 04, 2016, 04:26:59 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=535&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

SKF Trophy Snetterton
(Classes C and D only)

Track: Snetterton 1964 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg109873#post_snett64)

Cars allowed:

CLASS C (1300-2000cc)

Ford Escort 1600RS Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_escort_rs1600)
Ford Escort 1600TC (FVA) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_escort_fva)

CLASS D (Over 2000cc)

Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (from the 1970's carpack) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_american_v8)
Ford Capri 2600RS (requires skinpack) Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/file/nv4lxqiu7nhdcnc/Ford_Capri_RS_2600.zip)
Ford Mustang Boss 302 Download this (http://gizmo71.www.idnet.com/srou/ukgtl/cars/SRou_GTL_69Boss302Mustang_1.1.0.0.exe)

Drivers are limited to a maximum of FOUR drives per Class, with a limited number of drives per car. For more information please click HERE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I7egPwfJnD3svMwKxFhsK633XLm8BLocdNuofsj2VKg/edit?usp=sharing)

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (20 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: There are no start lights, instead there is a starting marshal who will wave a green flag to mark the start of the race. The pole sitter can't see the marshall without using the "look left" feature. Suggest the grid countdown feature be turned on.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 10, 2016, 03:26:44 PM +0000
IMPORTANT

Once qualification has started drivers may not leave to change class/make/car. They may leave to change skins.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Erling G-P on March 15, 2017, 06:42:17 PM +0000
Tony, are 20 laps enough ?

In the slowest car I've yet tried (and I expect the rest to be faster), it would only take me 34 minutes to drive the 20 laps.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on March 15, 2017, 06:43:55 PM +0000
Tony, are 20 laps enough ?

In the slowest car I've yet tried (and I expect the rest to be faster), it would only take me 34 minutes to drive the 20 laps.

Cheers,
Erling
Yep, for this series I'm basing number of laps on what was actually used in this series in RL.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Erling G-P on March 15, 2017, 06:49:25 PM +0000
Ah ok, hadn't grasped that  :)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Huggy on March 17, 2017, 08:37:49 AM +0000
On the question of laps, personally, one of the reasons I came back to online racing after a break was because the racesn this series are comparatively short. In the real world, most club or historic racing is not for an hour, it's either a 20 minute bash for the clubman, or divided into two or three races in a weekend a la BTCC etc. Though of course there are a number of two-driver long distance races. In my case, the longer the race, the further behind I get, so anything more than about 40 minutes doesn't appeal - I see Season 18 has it's share of long ones.....hoping a couple of those with no detail as yet won't be :-\


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on March 17, 2017, 02:05:11 PM +0000
I see Season 18 has it's share of long ones.....hoping a couple of those with no detail as yet won't be :-\

Fair point Huggy. Some of the series announced have to be longer races but the Porsche Masters could be converted to a "two races per night" format. I'll look into that for you.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on March 20, 2017, 09:46:43 PM +0000
Results and replay now posted


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Erling G-P on March 20, 2017, 10:30:38 PM +0000
Quite fond of this track and the Mustang was a joy to drive as always.

Disappointing qualifying, where I was never able to match my offline pb of 1:31.3.  Not that it would have changed anything though, as Ziu was still 0.8 sec faster than that.

Race itself was uneventful, if intense.  One long chase of Ziu from start to finish.  At most, the gap was a little over 2 secs, and at times under 1 sec. In the 2nd half of the race, I got the impression his braking suffered - practically all my gains were made under braking after the long straight.  Never close enough to try and outbrake him, so had to settle for 2nd.  Grats to Ziu for the win & Bob for the final podium.  Grats also to Clive on a hard won class victory..  ;D

Thanks to those we lapped - you could have slowed Ziu a little, but otherwise no complaints  ;)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on March 21, 2017, 07:55:00 AM +0000
Thanks to Erling for good company during the race, about race he wrote all on his post. Just i can see that i dont like drive on this track where not there is a real point for do the difference. However  here not easy overtake so get a good start permit me to have the control of the race, Erling rounded the race laps with my same times, he was good on the braking hairpin i had some problem with balance but i stole to him some tenths on the last complex corners also if sometime when we meet lapped i lost more.

Grats to Erling and Bob for podium, grats to Geoffers for his very fast lap on qualy and.........one special award to Clive for the courageous choice of Ford Escort here.

Last observation, i think that we will see others races so very closed on the Boss302 championship and not only among me Geoffers and Erling,but  also Clive John and Matt are part of this match.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: EvilClive on March 21, 2017, 08:31:06 AM +0000
Grats to Ziu and Erling for a very close race. They were almost nose to tail when they roared up behind me and I hope that my little Escort did not slow the battle.
(For future reference Erling, a nice fat, plain brown envelope dropped through the correct mailbox might result in unexpected passing opportunities  :shifty: :shifty: )

Maybe I should have gone with something more powerful? But, I was trying to resist my love of the big V8's and not perhaps "waste" a drive on a track where the Group 2 cars might be competitive. A little pre race practice might have alerted me to the difference in pace...............ah! the power of hindsight!  :-\

Well, I was wrong!! The Escort was totally outgunned around Snetterton and maybe a wiser man would have changed his car before qualifying started. But I do enjoy a challenge and I decided to stick with the Escort and see what I could wring out of it.
I turned up the revs to max, the first time I have ever tried that option in any car. I quickly calculated that Ziu's pace would maybe lap me, so I reduced the fuel for only 20 laps. What I did not factor in was that higher revs means more fuel used and the last lap was extremely stressful, crossing the line as the last drop was consumed after 19 laps!!

TBH I was surprised that I was the only fool who selected a Group 2 car, even if it did guarantee me a group win. In qualifying I was frustratingly close to some of the slower V8's and for a brief while I had dreams of dicing with them.
I was baulked horrendously off the grid and was denied the chance to challenge the leaders into T1 ( well in my mind it looked that way  ::) .  I was able to hang on to Tony's rear bumper for the first few laps but as the field spread out he was able to power away by a few tenths on each lap.
"Don't worry" I told myself "when his tyres go off he will be a sitting duck" and you will pass him easily.

Well his tyres did go off, except that Tony and all the rest did not abuse them sufficiently to give me a chance, the spoilsports!!!. Tony did his best to tease me towards the end of the race with a couple of half spins at the hairpin. I got my nose alongside at one point until his extra power pulled him clear. I think that if he had made just one more spin his position was there to be stolen and I was willing his tyres to melt........but they didn't and I rolled in last in my class, but also first of the foolish twerps who chose the wrong car!!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Huggy on March 21, 2017, 08:41:39 AM +0000
Ha ha - Clive thinks the Escort was a wrong choice? At least you got some points mate! Going with a big 'un was silly on my part, as it quickly became obvious that a finish out of the points altogether was on the cards, and that's exactly what happened after some fun laps dicing with Bill, going off onto the grass and over the bank at the first turn about lap 12, getting flustered when some of the quick guys lapped me, and doing it again two laps later, getting stuck on said bank, and deciding enough was enough..... A more tactical choice of car for future races methinks.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Geoffers on March 21, 2017, 09:34:11 AM +0000
Not too much to report from this race. Bit disappointed I couldn't get the Capri into the 32s in qually, was up on my best on 2 or 3 occasions but lost time in the last section each time.  :(

Got quite a good start & got alongside Erling & Bob briefly until Mustang power pulled them ahead into Riches. Hung on to Bob's coat-tails for a few laps until he caught the grass going onto the Norwich Straight & half-spun & I got through into 3rd. Didn't last long though as Bob caught back up & I made a similar mistake at Riches & went off on the inside of the track & dropped back to 5th behind Steve. Regained 4th when Steve ran wide at the Hairpin & after that it was a lonely race to the flag.

Congrats to Ziu, Erling & Bob.  :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: SpecialKS on March 21, 2017, 12:47:47 PM +0000
Was in a bad mood yesterday during the whole day (and still am), so I wasn't really motivated. Preferred to watch the 75TH Goodwood MM livestream on Sunday ;D than
to do my private praccy.
First tried the Escort RS1600 but was a second under my offline pb (1:36.9), then switched to the Capri (around 1:34.1) but in the end I voted for the Camaro.
Had some nice laps in the opening stages but then some offs and eventually decided to quit.

Results to  be posted tonight - as usual.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on March 21, 2017, 01:00:24 PM +0000
Oh dear, this was one of the dullest races I've had at Snetters '64. I was quicker than the other Camaro's but not quick enough to trouble the Capri and Boss drivers. So early on I was placed equi-distant from both groups and this is how it remained for the entire race. Clive, it wasn't my tyres that were wearing out, it was my concentration. Two times I missed my braking point at the hairpin which is when you closed right up to me. The first time I was braking so late I lost control of the steering and veered to the right, and mounted the slope at the apex which turned my car over but really really slowly. The autoright only works once your on your roof so lost loads of time waiting for the roll to finish and then for GTL to autoright me again. Oh well I still have the faster Class D cars unused.

Next up is Thruxton which is an all Class event.

BTW anyone know where Roguk has got to?



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: misnoimis on March 21, 2017, 03:41:31 PM +0000
I drove round Snetterton in the early sixties, probably 1963/64. Strangely I have very vague memories of the track apart from the track seeming very wide in places and a bridge. The GTL version was fun and I quite enjoyed my second race after my reintroduction back into GTL online.
 
The Boss Stang obviously proved to be the fastest car for this track. Although my race was kept interesting I hadn’t done quite enough practice or got the talent to finish better than 6th. I kept my driving tidy realising I could have practiced more and but for one slight error when I lost some time on the sharp right hander may have finished ahead of Steve who was faster but I think made a couple of mistakes. I passed him after one of them but he caught me with about four laps left and passed with about two remaining. He caught me going into twisty bit of track, not wanting to risk a collision I let him though and looked for the cut back but he positioned his car perfectly and after that he began to pull away so I just concentrated on finishing with no mistakes. I thought Jeep was not far behind in the slower Capri but noticed he had fallen well back so something obviously happened to him. Apart from a boring last lap I enjoyed the race. A bit of a contrast to my first race back when I got knocked off early on in the Chaparral in an unlucky sequence of events and developed the wrong mind-set driving a very scruffy race and not enjoying it. I will try to join another Can Am Race and do the Chap more justice next time.

I don’t think I can make next week’s race but hope to be OK for Thruxton.

Grats to winner and podiums.  :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: 55steve55 on March 21, 2017, 07:24:30 PM +0000
Mixed feelings about this race for me.

Practice laps during the week had been in the low 32's, so a little disappointed not to drop into the 31's under race pressure. However, despite being in the tail end of the Boss group, am quite pleased with my P5 finish and the points that go with it, to add to my class win in the Boss last time around.

I did have an issue with my control buttons ( worker, tools etc!) and twice at the hairpin it failed to turn right. Had these not happened I may well have been close enough to challenge Geoffers for 4th place.

My setup, for a change, made the Boss very predictable in its handling and it was a great feeling to take those right and left-handers before the final straight at virtually full throttle.

Having used the Boss twice now, I need to be very careful where I roll out the Z28 as its straightline speed is obviously way below the Stang.

Misnoimis - I envy you for having driven the track in real life and I envy you for doing it in the 60's, too.

Congrats to Ziu once again, and to Erling for a close second and Bob for filling the podium.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: SpecialKS on March 21, 2017, 08:07:40 PM +0000
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Snetterton_20032017)

8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on March 21, 2017, 10:47:46 PM +0000
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Snetterton_20032017)

8)
Cheers Kurt  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Jeep on March 22, 2017, 12:06:23 AM +0000
I had a very strange race, for some reason was nearly 2 seconds adrift of my PB during qualifying and race so lined up in a very disappointing 7th for the start..

Something has gone wrong with my UKGTL at the moment and I think a complete re install of my UKGTL package might be in order. I had a re occurrence of the screen freezes I encountered at Golden Valley. Not at any particular point on the track and sometimes not for several laps but I always knew one was coming. It doesn't happen with any other GTL (Or GTR2) install such as the Altbierbude one even at places like Targa. Number of cars also has no effect. it's as likely to happen during a private practice session as it is during a race against a full grid, on-line or off-line. My Nvidea settings are common across all GTL installs as are my in game graphics options so I'm at a bit of a loss as to what is causing it. But either way if these were translating into warps I apologise.

Anyway, on to the race.. Start went well. Didn't lose or gain any places off the line and we all settled in line astern around the 1st lap, Tony had a long look down the back straight and I over cooked it into the hairpin allowing him through but he was easy meat at the left hander under the bridge so I had the place back by the end of the lap.
Slowly pulled a small gap but was also losing ground on the Stangs ahead (Oh and Geoffers who appeared to have somwhow shoehorned a Stang lump into his Dagenaham Dustbin and was mixing it with the front runners). I could make up ground from the bridge onwards but was losing ground in the early part of the lap.

Then on Lap 10 Misnoimis had a moment at the hairpin and I was back within a second and then came across a recovering Steve at the bridge and was momenterily up to 6th as we started lap 11 but he cruised past me on the run down to the hairpin. Managed to stay within a few seconds of them both for a good few laps and Steve had a few moments which allowed me briefy past but it was all too easy for him to simply wait for the back straight and take the place back again.

I was on course to finish the race on the lead lap until another screen freeze entering T1 caught me out and I went so far off track I had an arguement with the guy on the entry gate and had to pay an admission fee to get back to the track. So on Lap 19 Ziu and Erling came hurtling down on the back straight so stayed wide to let them through to finish in the end a very distant 7th..

It was about where I expected to finish in the end. I was faster in the Stang but figured most would opt for that choice and I think I can put it to better use as my free choice elsewhere. So to still be competitive it was a choice between the Camaro and the Capri. I reckoned the sweeter handling of the Capri would keep me ahead of the Camaro's over race distance and that was exactly how it went. I had considered Clive's approach as well but figured one of the faster drivers may well have that option covered (And they did).

Thanks guys, a bit lonely at times but exciting for others when Misnoimis and Steve were trying to throw their Stangs at the scenery allowing me to make a nuisance of myself.

Congrats to Ziu, Erling and Bob, Ziu and Erling were glued to each other when they went past me on the final lap, it must have been an epic race for you two.

If anyone has any thoughts on my Micro Freezes I'm all ears.

I don't think it's lack of PC. (Intel i7-4790K @ 4GHZ, 8GB Ram, Nvidea GTX760).

But I have to admit I'm pretty clueless when it comes to knowing what the ideal settings are for my card. Is it worth downloading Nvidea inspector? What settings should I put into it?

Thanks in advance

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: 55steve55 on March 22, 2017, 09:59:18 AM +0000


If anyone has any thoughts on my Micro Freezes I'm all ears.




I had an issue with screen freezing a number of years ago, John. A little different to yours in that it started happening on all programs, not just the one. The screen would freeze for about 2 seconds, then continue as normal, but very annoying. After a few days I noticed they were very regular, in fact, every 60 seconds. The only program I'd recently introduced to the PC was when I had started backing up files with a Western Digital External HDD.

To cut a long story short, on each backup, WD was installing its own WD Smartware onto my PC. I found that if I uninstalled it after each backup, the freezing would stop.

Although I never did find out why they were linked, WD have since come clean with other issues associated with their products and have issued firmware fixes for a variety of problems, including other freezing issues, forced driver disconnect/reconnections and automatic spin-down functionality after 10 minutes of PC use, even if the PC is still being used.

Steve.








Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on March 22, 2017, 10:03:37 AM +0000
Sorry John but having read your description of the fault nothing springs to mind. I have sporadic black screen/ lockups but too few to be considered a fault, just one of those PC things.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: Jeep on March 22, 2017, 10:19:07 AM +0000
Thanks both. Steve`s comments about the back up drive has jumped out at me. Not Western Digital but I have just installed a Seagate backup drive and that came with Seagate software. I don't actually use it for scheduled backups so no reason to have the "dashboard" software installed.

I think I'll start by getting rid of that. Perhaps I`'ve just been lucky not to have seen anything yet on other GTL installs

TTFN
John


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Snetterton - Mar 20
Post by: BillThomas on March 24, 2017, 11:53:24 AM +0000
that's exactly what happened after some fun laps dicing with Bill, going off onto the grass and over the bank at the first turn about lap 12, getting flustered when some of the quick guys lapped me, and doing it again two laps later, getting stuck on said bank, and deciding enough was enough..... A more tactical choice of car for future races methinks.

Better late than  never! Yes that was good fun dicing with you. I though the best bit was after a few laps it was clear you were going to try and pass at the hairpin so took a middle of the road approach and then when you were committed to going around the long way moved over to inside line to give us both more space. We both out braked ourselves you doing a wall of death impression and me doing a 150/160 deg slide parking neatly up to the apex kerb.  ::) I managed to get away a bit quicker and then saw Kurt doing his flying trick at T1.  ;)

After that I had a lonely drive to the finish, enlivened by trying to keep out of the way of lappers.