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Round 5 of the Porsche Cup series:-

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Practice: 19:15 (60 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 18 Laps  (approx 30 mins)

Cars allowed:
Porsche Cup Car 2017

Supercup skin pack
http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/911-gt3-supercup-2016-skin-pack.13140/ (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/911-gt3-supercup-2016-skin-pack.13140/)

Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Track: Hockenheim GP
Link  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ww15jrtdodq0ycf/hockenheimring.rar?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ww15jrtdodq0ycf/hockenheimring.rar?dl=0)

Time of Day Setting: 13:30
Weather: Mid Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 50%

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules
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(3) Please use the Driver Details page to ensure that the league management software has your correct name

Onboard video of a lap of Hockenheim. https://youtu.be/uan5BIFrsD8 (https://youtu.be/uan5BIFrsD8)

At 2:30 in the video it looks like the downshift protetction in AC is spot on  ;D

So sorry that we are still haven't a fine version of this track.. This convert mode is absolutely old and surface mesh not exist..Absolutely flat surface.  Author is " done and forget"... Why Kunos ? Why others track makers don't done this legendary amazing track alive... Im crying. Where is such smile pic here?  :)  As i know- this convert still have a sectors counting bug ( esp when using pits).
BUT... Flat track surface will be not so bad for our Porsche Cup Jumping Car stage!   :D
This track will brings a good battles here IMO  :) Thanks Mark!

Damn it one of my fave tracks and i can't make it.

I've found a different version of Hockenheim, which looks better and also has some bumps. Not sure where it comes from, maybe a rip though  ???

Want to enlighten us? Do some digging see if it's legit enough to use here  :)

Must admit I think the version we've used before (as per my link) is perfectly good enough and makes for great racing but always happy to use an improved version. Hockenheim is pretty flat and smooth anyway being an f1 track  :-\

Here's a download link of the second version, if anybody wants to try it:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/le1cpacd15wo5r3/ac_hockenheimring_v.1.01.rar

Yeee. Thanks! This version is more modern and have better view and feelings IMHO . Converted from codecs made by enthusiasts ( good guys) Have 1 known issue on pit exit/ Just stay left side on pit exit and all will be ok. What track ver is more closer to real- i dont know )

I'm just downloading it and will give it a try this eve.  :)

Hmm I'm not sure this other version is better than the version we have already. The trackside eye candy is definitely better and more up to date but the track itself seems more bland, flat and less topographical   :-\
I also get richer colours/filtration/lighting with our regular version.

I watched the real onboard again but can't really tell which is the more accurate. Interested to hear other opinions  :)

I'll see if I can find some time to also compare them tomorrow

How are the laptimes comparing then?

New track is faster 1.5 sec. Because has surface grip 99 ( standart kunos tracks and T78 mod have proper 98 percents) It can be easy corrected by editing surface.ini simple text file ( very first tarmac section).
(C:\Program Files(x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\assettocorsa\content\tracks\hockenheimring\data)
 But before upload it to peoples and server!
So. Just tested both versions im my local server.
Newer version is more adequate for racing IMHO. First turn is not so dangerous. T78 is deadly here )))  Last turn is not dangerous too due more lower height track restrictors on left side. Graphics looks more better ( like kunos style tracks). Containing many more visual orientirs for braking.
 T78 version has a mip levels visual bugs and overall graphics quality from early 2000s .
IMHO. If surface.ini will be corrected to tarmac section grip = 98 - Newer track uploaded by nfs55 will be better for me in race.
Why 98? More standart, more slips and more challenge IMHO.
But i'll take any Mark's desigion here.  :)

The "old" version has proven itself in the past, IMO it's a bit late to gamble on an untested version.

Rfactor, GTR2 games etc? Yes! ;)
Ok ok. :)

I say drop this round and replace it with Spa  :D Then test bother versions in some fun races between championships  ;D

i second this.. neither of those mods is perfect and just because one has a bit more bumps doesnt justify risking bs happen because of some undetected flaws

but i havent raced on any of those tracks, even tho i did some laps offline on one of them. but i dont know which version i had and which one is supposed to be the "new" one :/

I think we will stick with the tried and tested one for this series rather than risk the newer variant without an online race test. If the new one had blown me away with improvements then I might have changed it but other than some track side improvements it's not a big leap.  But thanks for highlighting potential better versions as I don't get as much spare time as some of you to be aware of them  :)

Tried both of them just now, concluded most of the same as what Alexy said.

The track is abit more bumpy especially in the first sector, in the older it feels and looks completely flat, whereas in this one there are some bumps on the straight and some elevation changes in T2.
Middle sector is mostly the same, though I actually found the T7/8/9 part to be abit easier on this version, here the older one has abit more tricky elevation going on.
At T12 it feels actually quite bad, the outher curb has no feeling to it whatsoever and the gravel there feels just like tarmac ( haven't tested all the gravel yet, though grass seems to be working ok ).
Older version has a better T12, more feeling to the curb and the gravel is deadly.
Final few turns remain the same.
I was also 1,5 seconds faster on the newer track.

Don't mind sticking to the older one though, both tracks seem pretty good. Older version has a last middle sector and new version has a better first sector imo.

aargh, I am really torn now. Having just done a load of laps on both I find I can no longer un-see the Simbin-ness of the first track  ::) The new version is much better visually though I think a couple of kerbs are not so well done in that they offer no feedback or resistance.  I just ran a 16 car offline race and had no issues with frame-rates or stutters etc. and no cars disappeared down black holes.  :)

I really quite fancy using the new improved one now. Will speak to my trusty server man. Baikel, can you edit that grip file and upload the corrected track somewhere for me to download?

I used the newer track for some GT3 league racing a few months ago and never had problems with it.
Nevertheless I'm fine with both versions, its your choice Mark ;)

Done  :)  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ww15jrtdodq0ycf/hockenheimring.rar?dl=0

Server updated and using this new version

Thanks guys, first post race link amended.  :)

Note to all - new track link uploaded

The link for the track doesnt work on the first post but Baikal's link does!

I wish you you wernt so indecisive MJ, i really dont like this version! I've never seen the track with so much elelvation change and those first few corners feel so unrealistic. I've always thought our old track was quite realistic interms of layout. This is only partly due to having used the other one for so long.

Can't please everyone it seems.  :boat:  Just think of it as a new track  :P

Anyone know why when I copy Baikels link it doesn't work? Tried a few times.  :-\

You need to put the URL between [ URL ] BBCode thingies or use the Inert Hyperlink button in the editor's ribbon bar thing. I've updated it for you.

Link on first post works fine for me. EDIT; ah, so that's why it did work  8)

No issues for me with the track aswell, only thing I have with it is trying to not cut T1 too much  ;D

Was going to say it's working for me - but I now see why  :P
About to go have a go on it - luckily I haven't done any practice yet on the older one

Mark please, use correct nickname) I am Baikal not Baikel  :D Named by lake Baikal in Syberia  https://www.google.ru/search?q=lake+Baikal&newwindow=1&espv=2&biw=1246&bih=807&tbm=isch&imgil=uMmIE6Ip3HtPiM%253A%253BVR-jMJoLZ28KSM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.insightguides.com%25252Fdestinations%25252Feurope%25252Frussia%25252Fcultural-features%25252Flake-baikal&source=iu&pf=m&fir=uMmIE6Ip3HtPiM%253A%252CVR-jMJoLZ28KSM%252C_&usg=__EOwN4yKlUWnYjvJfS6ZM70asHns%3D&ved=0ahUKEwjPz_6qlvnRAhXnQJoKHcV7CjcQyjcIQw&ei=rjeXWM_AE-eB6QTF96m4Aw#imgrc=uMmIE6Ip3HtPiM:

Hey Mark, how wide are we allowed to go at turn 1?  :D

Just watched the 2016 Carrera Cup race at Hockenheim and there it looks like the drivers were allowed to put all wheels off the tarmac, but be forced to have at least two wheels at the blue and white curb (the curb ingame isn't as broad as the real one though).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKeFEzOFG8c

So looking at stracker times you guys are still much quicker on this new version despite The grip fix? Or is that because you are going well wide at T1 ?  ;)

T1 is much easier on this newer version but let me get some laps on it tonight and I'll decide how much run off we can use there.

This track just seems abit faster then the other one, even with the downgraded griplevel.

And I don't think going wide in T1 is much off an issue. In fact, I found it slower going over the bumpy curbs. Cutting the inside of T1 though is much more of an issue.

Well you are definitely not allowed to cut the inside apex...I will wield my big stick  :hammer:  ;D

We have wide exit after Mercedes arena too. IMHO let us go wide here and on after T1 exit. It will be " no problema" desigion for all.
And don't cut T1 inside apex. :)
BTW,  i know how to set up a server that 3 wheels out in Qualy and 4 out in race . Its easy and working good.  ;)
So we can do it in future GP:
[SERVER]
bla bla bla
ALLOWED_TYRES_OUT=3

aaaand :
 [RACE]
NAME=Race
LAPS=68
ALLOWED_TYRES_OUT=4
WAIT_TIME=xxx
IS_OPEN=xxx

It's not documented and not official  kunos future but working.
 ;)
Also i know how to make a reverse grid for second race ( for future champs) . Mark can PM me if wants  :)

This feels like its getting messy.

Can you not rely on PLP to police the track cutting?

Let's not get hysterical  ;)  I take an adult view on track limits based on what has become more normal in GT racing. I'm not going to suddenly allow track excesses that gain some guys lots of time but what's acceptable does vary track to track.
I didn't manage to get any laps in tonight  :( so I'll have to have a proper look tomorrow eve. Doesn't stop anyone practising  ;)

Spanner, going wider here in race - it's more for safety driving- not for lap time profit. Look to real vid )
In Qualy we can make 3 wheels out autocontrol in server side. I don't like wides and cuts in simracing. But i don't like to make a headache for admins and referee too in cuts counting   :)

Bit quiet on the praccy server tonight  :( will assume everyones banging in 41's and 42's  :P

I see no reason to allow any excessive outer track limits here, so normal rules apply. I am fine with people using the outer verge on T1 just don't go swinging way out and then harpoon back onto the circuit. Be warned also that if you get a tyre onto that astro turf strip you can also get spat into the inside Armco...ask me how I know  ;D
Also fine with using the outer verge on the right hand corner that leads into the stadium complex, (turn12 - mobil1 kurve) its almost a necessity.

I have a silly question. Where do I put the skinpack in.

put all the skinfolders into gamefolder/content/cars/ks_porsche_gt3_cup_2017/skins

And make sure to download the track from first race post into 'content/tracks '  :)

I forgot another verge you can use without penalty, it's the one on outside of final turn onto the main start/finish straight. Again, it's de-rigeur  :)

Sorry Mark, can't make tonights race.

I can.  ;D Managed to get the steering something like normal (for me) and set it to bonnet view
So now things look and feel ok. Still not very fast though, but at least I can now "race" rather
than drive like I'm steering a barge  :thumbup1:

You should also give the FFBClip app MJ linked a while  back a try. Setting it to auto and dynamic. It makes a big difference  for the g27  imo, the car feels alot more natural and responsive if the back end slides away.

I see the quick times on STracker were around 1:41 so I've set the race length to 18 laps otherwise we'd all be finishing too early ;)

Must say, that was a terrible race. Qualified in 6th which was making the race look hopeful. Sadly, it never happened.

Going in to turn 2, nfsw55 ran into the back of Denis. This in turn pushed him into me, Alexey and Samwell. FMG also missed the corner and hit Samwell.  Not sure what happened to nfsw55 but he was warping and just didn't stop and went all the way to the end of the run off.

My car felt horrible after that and going in to turn 3, I missed my braking zone and tagged Apextechusa and spun him around. Sorry :(

After that, I had nice battle with Samwell and Denis but ended up coming home is a terrible 14th.

Here are the replays of the last three races

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0njvWR_hy3wRy1pLVY1bG9UM00

Well, that could have gone better... I was careful at the start and was up to fifth after avoiding the mayhem, then got swiped off at turn 5(?) and had to pit to straighten things out. Decided to carry on, hoping there might be at least a point, but got tangled up battling for 16th with a couple of laps to go and didn't see Thomas going down the outside in the stadium section. Apologies, I was looking out for you, but you surprised me how quickly you caught me there and I was taking evasive action myself.

I don't use any of the add ons, I prefer things as realistic as possible. Just my oculus, and my mirrors.

Lost my internet connection for a few seconds right after the start. Guess I just drove straight forward then.
Sorry to anybody who suffered from that :-\

I had an awesome race full of superb close quarters action and chases  8).

Shame to see the multi car incident at T2 on lap 1, but before everyone points fingers it's always wise to watch the replays first as what you think you see from your cockpit is not always the case. There is also a lot of cars piling full chat into a very tight right hander on cold tyres.

Had a poor qually sesh and ended up 11th thinking I had a long race ahead. But after a good start I found myself right up with shark and another heading just behind the front group melee. I was so hypnotised watching several cars slide off that I went very deep on my own cold tyres nearly following them off. Exited t2/3 in 4th !  :o
Chased Simon hard for a lot of laps whilst Nfsw gradually reeled me in. Fought him for a while but he was quicker so he got past after a few laps. Then FMG joined the party stalking me whilst Simon and Nfsw fought just ahead. It was a relentless pace!  :sweatdrop:
We fought on for many laps and I set several of my fastest race laps to re-close on the two ahead but unfortunately their squabbling threw all my gap away to FMG and after it happened a second time he pounced past me when I had to get out the throttle. Laps 16/17 was mental with 4 cars going at it  :fencing:
I had nothing left in the tank on the last lap, I was spent! I Could do nothing but chase the 3 fast guys and finished a strong 6th  :)
Amazing racing  :thumbup1:

Just watched the replay and it was a shame nsfw ping was all over the place. He was warping pretty bad going into T2. Saw it happen in my rearview mirror, unfortunate mess.

Had a pretty relaxed race after that. Thomas kept close but I was inching away every lap. I still had my delta time app on so I was just trying to beat my fastest lap and get into the 1:40's, but around lap 13 or so I just tried to much and I clipped the grass, corrected it too much and ran into the wall ( stupid delta app  >:( ). Came back 4 seconds behind Thomas and it took me a while to get back into my rythm again. Car was abit beat up but other then a little bit over downforce loss it wasn't that bad.
Got close behind Thomas and then he got tangled with a back marker while passing him, though I was being a good sport and just waited it out behind him  :angel:

Last lap I was just closing in on him, shame we couldn't have had a proper battle. I remember the GT2 race at this track had some great battles.

I slept in spite of alarm clock was on... Woken up when Q , connected to server in 9 min of Q... Got 5 p.
Pete, Denis- sorry for 2 lap .. Brake point lost in approaching hairpin. I returned pos to Denis next lap.
Samwell, Stefan, sorry for last lap. Brake point lost in approaching hairpin. IMHO, car was damaged and not breaking well here..
Guys. Thanks for the race.
The combo was cool and so sorry that i can't take full satisfaction here. May be repeat this round?  ;)
Congrats podiums!  :)

Another win! Don't know what happened at the start but found myself in second with a good gap. Soon realised that Maikel had way better pace but was taking lots risk over the kerbs, decided to just run some error free steady laptimes and hope for an error. Fortunately for me the error came and I had a 3-4 second lead. Held the gap to a good distance until the second to last lap when I came upto 2 back markers in a dual, got a good run into the stadium, went for a gap on the outside which closed as soon as I was along side. Well.... The words that came out of my mouth... Well well... Thanks to Maikel being a gent he slowed and let me keep the lead. Covered my line for the last lap and finished to great relief. Please watch your mirror's next time!

Not so much missed as abandoned when all hell broke loose ahead!
As to the contact with Samwell it took me 3 or 4 viewings to even work out if I did make contact it was so gentle (Even AC's insanely sensitive damage didn't register it) - If anything I was more concerned over joining carefully once straight again as the exit to T2 is a dodgy location when there are cars behind!

Other than that chaos I had a good race fighting with people who had mostly qualified around me and so were on similar pace. Passing was difficult often as my race setup wasn't the best on brakes for some reason, I had tuned it to turn more than stop as that suited my style here better..
The ending with the 4-way battle was great fun - I had previously caught and reeled in Jonzo only to run out of track into the kitty litter entering the stadium with about 4/5 to go and originally thought I'd lost my chance at passing him.
Thanks NSFW and Simon for slowing him back up again ;D

Enjoyed that very much  8)
managed to not hit anyone, gave the faster boys loadsa room when they were making their way back up the field
kept right in to the hairpin to avoid Alex's suicide charge into someone' back end  :o
had a good chase with Spanner and Picnic up to the end and just managed to stay in front.
Good fun  :thumbup1:

Thansk for the replay Brocookie. I allowd my max replay to be 350 meg ( I think0 and it saved a 313 MB replay
but it's only the last 20 mins  ??? how do I set it to be smaller file with more time in it?

Onboard live just for history. :)
BTW, i used new cockpit camera tune very first time in this race for my 37" fullHD single monitor.
IMHO- finaly- it's a best car-track proportions view\compromise\erghonomics choice i found here for all my hard AC years and investigations  :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf3GairZIvk
Another one sorry for my brake point mistakes, guys  :'(
  

Set replay quality to very low or low in game Option\Global. Low settings here will not bring visual differences  :)
I am using very low Q and size 800 with my 4Gb of RAM for 2 hours endurance races recordings.

Thanks Baikal, I meant "20 minutes" but is same issue. In Replays I am used to doing "+" or "-" to move forward and back between cars
in this the car selection at the bottom right of the screen seems to have a mind of it's own, it seems to move to a random car as you go
up and down through the numbers, and half the numbers point at a gravel trap. Am I missing something?

What a weird race for me that was..

I screwed up my quali entirely, as i crashed on my outlap, lost a lot of time due to that and then couldnt get up to pace.. i couldve nailed a good lap on the very last second but lost my car in the last corner as i asked for too much.

anyways, started i P6 i think, not a bad result for how bad my quali went.

I had a good start, making up a spot in T1, and then carnage happened.. during the race i had no idea what had happened whatsoever, from looking at the replay i now know, internet got messed us all up.
I was pretty confused and turned on the chatbox to see if we would go for a restart, as i saw huge number of cars had been involved. Nothing in that regard so i thought i just muscled my way through the field and enjoy the action.. Remembered my Spielberg race, where Maikel caused me to loose quite a lot of places early on but i still had a blast and overtook quite a few people.
So i drove on, had some great moments overtaking my pal Sam Jordan (Samwell), only to then get shot off in L2 into the Hairpin... at this point i was super close to ragequitting as it looked like there were some public server crashkids on the server. I just saw a blue car flying into me in my mirrors and had no time to react... well, from looking at the replay i knew it was caused by Alexey completely missing his brake point and shooting off Picnic.

I stayed in the server and from then on i had a great race, with a lot of overtakes and somehow managed to end up in P7, only a position down on my Quali position, so i cant complain, looking at how much bullshit happened. At one point i couldve made up 3 positions in one corner, overtaking Sam, Michael and another car, but i stepped on the grass when braking for the next corner and Michael touched me ever so slightly to make my job of catching the slide impossible :D (no bad feelings here at all, as my move was way too ballsy and i smh knew it would not end up well).

Anyways i have to question two things happened in this race:

1) We all see in Alexeys POV video how Sam Jordan notifies NSFW about his super high ping.. we are not talking about 150 or so but 350-400 !!
At this point i have to ask how you could be so ruthless and start, carelessly risking connection bs to happen ?
And not even you started and indeed caused a major incident, but went on racing closely and fought your way up... its a bit weak to ruin the race of 5-10 people and then race on with a shitty internet connection only to end up on a podium.

you internet was not stable and you shouldve parked your car, especially after the mayhem you caused

2) Alexey, i do not understand how you could miss your braking point so much... going into a hairpin like this with a lot of cars in front of you, there is no need to be super aggressive on the brakes, as you cant take max speed through the corner anyways. and instead of risking a crash (because people tend to brake earlier than usual in these situations) you shouldve just chilled a bit and easy off early.

i know you didnt shoot picnic off on purpose or anything, but braking so aggressively in such a situation, where you have nothing to gain, is just carelessly taking a risk of ruining others races and i dont want to see moves like that in league racing. that is public server stuff right there and not what we are all here for.
and i dont want to point my finger at you and say you are a bad driver or anything, because you clearly are not, but i have a feeling you should just calm down in some situations, as i know from the spielberg race, you tried to go for every gap i potentially let open. And at silverstone you also shut down a gap on someone else. All these are racing incidents but you would be less likely to screw up if you just calm down and ease off at some situations.


now this all sounded super negative when in reality i still had a lot of fun yesterday, maybe especially because i got thrown back so much and had to fight my way up again.
really looking forward to the next 3 races :)

cheers guys, nice racing

To add to that, is has happened numerous times in the past as well, I commented on it several times in the GT3 championship. I think he was on wireless or sharing connection  ::).

Sorry, but I had my chat turned off and therefore I didn't notice that you guys even warned me.
After the big crash at Turn 2 I also wasn't sure what exactly happend as on my screen I just got a big hit from behind, so I thought at first that someone missed his braking point.
I went on racing, because my high ping only occurred for the first one or two laps after that I had a stable connection and some close fights with FMG, Mark and Simon without any problems.

In Nf's defence I didn't see a warning message about his ping either and as he states, there were no problems with warping later on as was able to race very close/side by side without issue.
I think we need to say for all future races to watch the pings whilst sat on the start grid. I'm afraid if it leaps that high for anyone you will have to start from the pit lane behind the pack. Otherwise it's not fair to those around you on grid.
Not much we can do if it happens in race. I was wiped out by Denis' sudden ping increase at the Nurburgring round, sh*t happens, as they say  :P

Despite the ping causing chaos, it sounds like most of us had another excellent round of close racing so that's a positive  :)

I was a bit miffed to see 7 non attendees last night.  :( hopefully it was just a busy week for those missing.  :-\

well, i think its a different story if ping suddenly spikes high but was stable for the laps before, or if you already start with ping at 350+

its displayed on your screen and its easy to check if something is wrong with your connection.


as you said, everyone should check their connection at the start and start from pits if the internet connection makes a safe start impossible.

Unfortunately not at home for the next 3 weeks, back to racing then.

The top 10 after 5 rounds  :)

1 Maikel K.   86.0pts   
2 Thomas Blackett   76.0pts   
3 nfsw55   69.0 Pts   
4 Simon Gymer   61.0     
5 FullMetalGasket   42.0     
6 Mark J   39.0     
7 Brocookie   36.0     
8 Baikal   34.0     
9 Linus27   34.0   
10 LucaBabetto   32.0

I was joint 5th before this race  >:( Gonna need to pull my socks up and keep out of trouble for the remaining races. Target is finishing 6th.

Mark, this is going to be a fun battle with you :D

btw, the season got officially extended with VIR and Bathurst, am i right? so its 3 more races to gain points?

It has indeed  :). VIR and Bathurst are two bonus rounds as the series has proved so popular and exciting  :thumbup1:

Yes, my good result at Hockenheim has made up for the two previous setback rounds for me  :) I am back in the fight :fencing: shame I lost 5th in the race to FMG with one lap to go or I'd be 5th in the table  !  :taz:

Let's not forget the close fight from 11th onwards  :o
      
11   Postal      23.0      
12   ChrisR      22.0                      
13   Jeffrey      22.0            
14   picnic      21.0      
15   Samwell952.     19.0      
16   spanner      15.0      
17   Sutol              14.0                
18   Eck Simpson   14.0          
19   LesN              12.0            
20   Bob              5.0                        
21   phspok      5.0   
22   APEXTECHUSA.  2.0      
23   frex              1.0                     
24   SRW              1.0