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Title: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 09, 2017, 08:04:11 PM +0000
Round 7 of the Porsche Cup series:-

(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/VIR_PCC_zpsgzazo335.jpg) (http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/MJ_p911/media/VIR_PCC_zpsgzazo335.jpg.html)

Practice: 19:15 (60 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 16 Laps  (approx 30 mins)

Cars allowed:
Porsche Cup Car 2017

Supercup skin pack
http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/911-gt3-supercup-2016-skin-pack.13140/ (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/911-gt3-supercup-2016-skin-pack.13140/)

Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Track: Virginia International Raceway (Full)
Track link  http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/virginia-international-raceway.11892/ (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/virginia-international-raceway.11892/)
install to your C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\assettocorsa\content\tracks

Time of Day Setting: 16:30
Weather: Mid Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 50%

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=588&theme=4 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=588&theme=4)
(3) Please use the Driver Details page to ensure that the league management software has your correct name





Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 09, 2017, 09:59:39 PM +0000
Onboard lap of VIR in a cup car  :)

https://youtu.be/OWRDf4jMDqw (https://youtu.be/OWRDf4jMDqw)  8)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 13, 2017, 12:40:45 PM +0000
This is one my "hate" circuits. Certainly very challenging on your own and always lots of incidents with other cars whenever I've raced here. If you can keep it on track without contact with anyone else then you'll do ok. :-)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 16, 2017, 01:02:08 AM +0000
Gents, just checked surface.ini for VIR Full track ( remembering Kunos orig Imola blackflag fu*** ed penalized )
So, in VIR  all is ok . We'll no black flag penalty enabled in whole track. It's a proper mod track- not orig Kunos.  ;D
Admins can use 3 wheels out cuts checking in Q and 4 in race with calm  :)
But first- please, fix strange pilots server disconnects after session changed. I don't know what a problem it was in Imola.

________________________________
And since AC 1.12 we have long awaited time penalty OFF future: ( see server docs):
------ UPDATE ------
RACE_GAS_PENALTY_DISABLED=0    ; 0  any cut will be penalized with the gas cut message; 1 no penalization will be forced, but cuts will be saved in the race result json.

SO in all GP we need it to =1!

and other ( not tested by me). May be here was a problem pilots diskonnects after session. Need check :
RESULT_SCREEN_TIME=10 ; seconds of result screen between racing sessions.
RACE_EXTRA_LAP=0 ; if it's a timed race, with 1 the race will not end when the time is over and the leader crosses the line, but the latter will be forced to drive another extra lap.






Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 16, 2017, 01:10:11 PM +0000
Is the server up for this Pete? Maybe someone can test skipping sessions to see if a problem.

Will be jumping on tonight for some lap on the snaking roller coaster  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Eck Simpson on February 16, 2017, 02:06:58 PM +0000
Is the server up for this Pete? Maybe someone can test skipping sessions to see if a problem.

I've just been on (I'm top of the list.. for a second or two), no delay between sessions and no disco's.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 16, 2017, 03:58:03 PM +0000
Good to hear Eck thanks though may require a few of us online together to check for sure. I suspect Pete and Baikal found the error in the server settings already?  :-\


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 16, 2017, 04:15:55 PM +0000
I set my test server with new AC futures on and tested. All working fine for me- thanks Kunos. I can check our UKAC server ( in GP settings) for proper text if Pete will give me this full text ( PM?). Now AC server is very easy to configure and not need my "3\4 wheels out tweak"  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 16, 2017, 07:00:47 PM +0000
So after 6 rounds the top 12 is looking like this:-

1 Maikel K.   108.0 
2 Thomas Blackett   94.0 
3 nfsw55   85.0   
4 Simon Gymer   75.0   
5 FullMetalGasket   52.0   
6 Mark J   48.0   
7 Linus27   46.0   
8 Brocookie   36.0     
9 Baikal   35.0   
10 LucaBabetto   32.0       
11 Postal   30.0   
12 picnic   27.0

The front 4 have broken away from the hounds now and any of them can still win the series with two rounds remaining, though Maikel is in Pole position  :notworthy:
Us 'hounds' are in a real close scrap for making the top 5 or 6  :o  :drool:

The next two rounds are real challenges so anything could happen  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: picnic on February 16, 2017, 07:15:28 PM +0000
I can check our UKAC server ( in GP settings) for proper text if Pete will give me this full text ( PM?).

I need to do some tests, if the server is working ok as Eck reported in practice, it could be related to booking/pickup modes and the drivers list we use on race night. Assuming I don't discover anything I'll pm both files through over the weekend.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: nfsw55 on February 16, 2017, 09:27:02 PM +0000
Awesome track, don't know why I haven't tried it out earlier :thumbup1: :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 16, 2017, 10:18:55 PM +0000
Think this will be the national grass cutting event  ;D
Takes a few laps just to keep it on the island then no doubt many more to perfect. I was desperately trying to remember all my frustrating skip barber laps here in IR trying to attain their blinking spotless clean but fast laps  :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 17, 2017, 01:15:14 PM +0000
Yahoo! Here is it! Kunos bug online mass clients discconnect in changing sessions confirmed and will be fixed soon  :)
http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/end-session-disconnect-clients-v1-12.43239/


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: picnic on February 17, 2017, 01:35:14 PM +0000
Well spotted, I knew it wasn't our server ;)  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 17, 2017, 02:20:36 PM +0000
Yes, good news  :)
BTW Pete, can you set ALLOWED_TYRES_OUT=3 in server main section and use it as law in further? Thanks!
In race all cutting and time penalty will be off anyway.
I just tested all new 1.12 server futures and found it ideally for using in racing league control.  :) 


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Maikel K. on February 17, 2017, 06:16:43 PM +0000
AC updated

v1.12.1
- skin template added for the new Audi Sport quattro S1 E2
- Fixed Ferrari LaFerrari erratic aero behavior on Highland high speed jumps
- Fixed shadows caster on grass at highlands long
- Tweaked city surface ffb effects at highlands, long and drift
- Fixed mirrors UV on Audi Sport quattro S1 E2
- Fixed Lotus 98T yellow tyre wear indicator on new tyres.
- Updated Lotus 98T performance envelope by tyres, diffuser and front wing ride height sensitivity and other changes.
- Fixed Tatuus FA01 tyre compound wear
- Updated acServer with a fix for bookmark registration mode
- Added IGNORE_RESULT_TELEPORT in system/cfg/options.ini to avoid teleport to pit at the end of each online session.
- Updated walls on highlands track in order not to use them as advantage


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: picnic on February 18, 2017, 09:00:36 AM +0000
Server updated


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 18, 2017, 10:17:41 AM +0000
Server updated

Cool hand Luke  :cowboy:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 19, 2017, 03:23:30 AM +0000
Is it just me or has the Porsche Cup car now more front grip?

I just did my first laps in it since the update and it feels so much easier to get it around corners.. before i needed to work with the car a lot more (which made for the good fun) and now it just goes round corners like nobodys business :/

its not ruined but they kinda took the fun part away a little


Anyways, VIR + Cup Car = endles fun and a perfect combination.
Thanks Mark, for "listening" to my suggestion of extending the season with VIR and Bathurst! ;)



Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 19, 2017, 11:40:57 AM +0000
maybe its this track that gives you that impression?  :-\ maybe its more grippy being a mod track? To me they felt edgier at Imola after the update.

As for extending the series, I didn't need much convincing  :) I actually wished I had made it 10 rounds from the start as would also have loved to raced these cars at Spa and Monza too.  :'(

Good to see a few have set times on stracker now, I fear for anyone who doesn't do any practise before this round and the following trip to Bathurst, prepare for an early bath or picking grass out of your teeth  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Linus27 on February 19, 2017, 12:12:01 PM +0000
maybe its this track that gives you that impression?  :-\ maybe its more grippy being a mod track? To me they felt edgier at Imola after the update.

As for extending the series, I didn't need much convincing  :) I actually wished I had made it 10 rounds from the start as would also have loved to raced these cars at Spa and Monza too.  :'(

Good to see a few have set times on stracker now, I fear for anyone who doesn't do any practise before this round and the following trip to Bathurst, prepare for an early bath or picking grass out of your teeth  ;D

I also find the car feels edgier. For me it moves about a lot more and is more alive giving so much more feedback. It always felt too easy to drive before.

Mark, as for adding Spa and Monza, do it, do it, do it. Im sure everyone would be happy to continue still and adding yhose iconic tracks would be amazing. Monza would be great after the twisties of VIR and Bathurst and Spa would be epuc as a final round. Do it :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 19, 2017, 12:18:47 PM +0000
Agree with spa and monza and Mark and all. But i begins waiting for my local server disconnects  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 21, 2017, 12:50:51 PM +0000
Maikel and nfsw55 you guys are crazy! We are require yours replay for learning how to drive VIR in AC! Please share it!  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Maikel K. on February 21, 2017, 06:07:04 PM +0000
https://youtu.be/7NaJtTa3q_U

Because you asked so nicely ( and it gave me an excuse to try out the whole Nvidia Shadowplay recording. Which actually works pretty well I can say  ;D )


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 21, 2017, 06:15:29 PM +0000
https://youtu.be/7NaJtTa3q_U

Because you asked so nicely ( and it gave me an excuse to try out the whole Nvidia Shadowplay recording. Which actually works pretty well I can say  ;D )
Greate thanks, Maikel!   :)  Slow and old age guys removed his hat as a sign of gratitude!  :)
And yes- NVShadowplay rulez!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 22, 2017, 01:42:29 AM +0000
Just out of curiosity: who here revived the Oak Tree? :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 22, 2017, 12:26:55 PM +0000
I am so hyped for tonight :)
surprised to see me only 3 tenths slower than Maikel and nfsw right now after only a few laps.. This could be a very good race :D

btw, here is what VIR is supposed to look :P
RIP Oak Tree <3


(http://i.imgur.com/uzJlZRB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hG199sa.jpg)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: nfsw55 on February 22, 2017, 12:38:50 PM +0000
Another game update:

1.12.2
- Improved Oculus rift "mirror texture" framerate
- Added option to turn Oculus "mirror texture" off in Documents/Assetto Corsa/cfg/oculus.ini
[MIRROR_TEXTURE]
ENABLED=0
- Fixed Fanatec wheels rotation angle forced to 800 degrees
- Fixed sudden disconnection in booking mode: now it happens at the end of race's result screen
- Fixed timed race in shared memory
- Fixed 595 Abarth AI stopping in x86
- Fixed OculusVR rendering of distant objects with Post Processing enabled
- Fixed Shelby Cobra front tyre heating typo and tyre pressure setup range
- Fixed Porsche 911 Turbo S automatic downshift bug
- Improved brake steer algorithms for low speeds for
   Porsche 911 Carrera S
   Porsche 911 GT3 RS
   Porsche 911 R
   Porsche 911 Turbo S
   Porsche 918 Spyder
   Porsche Panamera Turbo
- Improved Porsche 918 spyder brake performance
- Corrected McLaren P1 and Porsche 918 spyder acceleration performance
- Fixed LaFerrari wrong sample pitch on coast
- Current time is now smoothed out in replays
- Added new Special Events on Highlands track
- Fixed AI App crash with mod tracks


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Thomas Blackett on February 22, 2017, 04:46:32 PM +0000
Hi guys, not going to able to make the race this eve as RL has taken a very bad turn. Good clean racing boys.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 22, 2017, 05:25:59 PM +0000
Sorry to hear that Thomas, all the best.

Yes Denis, the famous corner looks much better with the Oak tree, I can't believe they didn't immediately replant a semi mature one in its place. Was it removed for safety or because it was diseased?  :(

I have got used to being 2 secs off Maikels pace  :'( still hurts though, especially in the same car   ;)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Linus27 on February 22, 2017, 06:33:35 PM +0000
This race is going to be tough and quite possibly a disaster. Despite the car feeling more alive after the update, it was still predictable at Imola and more consistant. However, at VIR its unpredictable, has inconsistant grip levels and less feedback. Has to be the track and Im just not feeling it. Not looking forward to tonight :(


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 22, 2017, 06:49:02 PM +0000
Michael, just try to stay between two white lines and all will be ok. I will try! Main thing- wait 2-3 laps for tyres become heat. Combo is good but need min200 laps to sit firmly here. I done 100 and now i am in beginning of understanding things ( Thanks Maikel vid)  Top quality modeled track surface and overall :) True hadcore simulation. Have a nice race guys!  :) 


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: picnic on February 22, 2017, 07:05:45 PM +0000
Hi guys, not going to able to make the race this eve as RL has taken a very bad turn. Good clean racing boys.
Sorry to hear that Thomas, hope it resolves itself quickly and with a positive outcome.

Another game update:

1.12.2
And server has been updated


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Linus27 on February 22, 2017, 07:33:01 PM +0000
Michael, just try to stay between two white lines and all will be ok. I will try! Main thing- wait 2-3 laps for tyres become heat. Combo is good but need min200 laps to sit firmly here. I done 100 and now i am in beginning of understanding things ( Thanks Maikel vid)  Top quality modeled track surface and overall :) True hadcore simulation. Have a nice race guys!  :) 

Thanks Alexey :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 22, 2017, 09:24:07 PM +0000
wow.. great race.

even led the race for 2 laps and then Maikels pressure was too high (even though he was half a second behind still) and i stepped on the grass, causing me to spin and lose 4 positions.
i fought back to P3 and then 2 laps before the finish line i was kicked from the server.

i want to punsh something.. anyone got some kittens or babies? fml -.-

oh and NFSW showed great driving skills and a hand full of respect for his opponents on track again. good one mate.

____

here you have the replay from today.. only 14/16 laps tho :D
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0njvWR_hy3wRy1pLVY1bG9UM00


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 22, 2017, 09:27:58 PM +0000
So sorry Stefan. In 1st f... turn i brake at 4 picture ( ussually 3) but.. Cant brake enough...May be due a damage from nfsw55 in 2 lap same place... Hit you. Sorry i dont remember your name in there. Video uploading. It was hard battle anyway .  :)  VIR is my new love. Tryed here 1st time. Blast track. Blast mode.  


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Linus27 on February 22, 2017, 09:33:11 PM +0000
Well, that was disappointing. Qualifed so much better than I thought I would and did a lap 1.5 quicker than before. Made a nice start and just held my line but saw some cars tangle up ahead so just stuck to thd inside libe but got turned into and lost a few places. Drove a great race and kept it super clean and made a few places up and found myself in 7th. Mark J then caught me up and we had a fairly intense battle but with a few laps to go he tagged my rear and spun me around. This dropped me to 10th which is where I finished.

Mark, I must say Im pretty disappointed that you didn't wait and let me pass you back. I always thought this was the gentlemans rule when spinning another driver. I've just watched thd replay and not only were you not even along side, I had already turned in to the corner and passed some of the green and white kerbing and you actually hit my rear. As we are fighting together in the champinship and this cost me quite badly, I hope you give your self some kind of time penalty.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 22, 2017, 09:35:46 PM +0000
So sorry Stefan. In 1st f... turn i brake at 4 picture ( ussually 3) but.. Cant brake enough...May be due a damage from nfsw55 in 2 lap same place... Hit you. Sorry i dont remember your name in there. Video uploading. It was hard battle anyway .  :)  VIR is my new love. Tryed here 1st time. Blast track. Blast mode.  

Please report all incidents.

And a big sorry to Alexey, it looked like we had very different lines through turn 1, I used a much wider line there and therefore braked later than you.

Please report all incidents.

Mark, I must say Im pretty disappointed that you didn't wait and let me pass you back. I always thought this was the gentlemans rule when spinning another driver. I've just watched thd replay and not only were you not even along side, I had already turned in to the corner and passed some of the green and white kerbing and you actually hit my rear. As we are fighting together in the champinship and this cost me quite badly, I hope you give your self some kind of time penalty.

Please report all incidents.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Samwell952 on February 22, 2017, 09:50:18 PM +0000
Got to say despite having a few spins due to having about 5 laps practice prior to the race this was a lot of fun!

The track is interesting, reminds me of Brands Hatch a bit but there are more consequences to making a mistake.

Sorry to whoever I accidentally ran onto the grass down the straight, it wasn't intentional or just really aggressive racing, I just misjudged how the track turned. Pretty fortunate that whoever it was didn't spin. 

Thanks for the race, really unlucky Denis, see you next week  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 22, 2017, 09:57:36 PM +0000
well that was another intense race full of action  :o

Didn't manage to match my pb in qually and found myself down in 8th which came as a bit of a shock with a 49.3  :( really thought that would bag me top 6 but wasn't to be.
Race start was pretty nervy on tyres that felt like ice and tippy toe thru t1 avoiding a couple of spinners. Car felt awful with more fuel and cold slicks but enjoyed some good fast train action until I fell off at end of the esses trying to follow someone closely.
Had great fun battling back from 13th upto 7th when I caught Michael. We then had a titanic scrap for quite a few laps. I tried every line and attack angle and seemingly had more pace but solid defending kept me glued to his butt despite some side by side action...without a touch I might add. Which leads me to be a bit put out when I then get accused of ruining someone's race.  >:(From my cockpit I made a legit move to the inside of oak tree turn and saw Michaels car turn in to me to close a door I thought I had already got alongside for. The resultant bang sent me off onto the grass into a half spin losing a place to Alex. Hence when I dragged my car back on track I had no inclination to wait for anyone. If the replay shows otherwise then I'll apologise but the previous 5 laps of close racing show I do everything to avoid contact. I was losing 2+ secs a lap stuck behind his car and had 2 other guys catching us fast, a move had to be made and I tried it when I saw a gap with 2 laps to go. To me it was an unfortunate contact racing incident, but will watch the replay to check.

Anyway, awesome race and well done to Maikel and podium guys on a difficult track  :thumbup1: Think I finished 7th  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 22, 2017, 10:02:20 PM +0000
Zero practice for me again, but fortunately i know the track well from a few years ago when I did iRacing, so I did not need to learn the corners. This version is much improved over the version we used a while back btw!

Had about 5 mins practice on the server to check everything was working and then straight into qually. Amazed by my own start position and then after others crashed into each other or fell off by pushing too hard (especially in early laps, when will they learn!) I found myself in the lead. Was not trying to win as I knew I did not have the pace, but led for a couple of laps anyway. I did not fight very hard for the lead though as what's the point when you are a second slower than the others, I'd rather finish than crash out. Eventually everyone with better pace passed me and I was left to cruise home for 5th place, until Dennis got disco'd and then I inherited 4th, the same as my championship position which is now certain.

Not looking forward to Bathurst as I've hardly ever driven it and when I have I've always hated it. Don't think it's great for racing, but it is what it is so I will have to find the time to practice as I don't know it well enough to just rock up and slap it on the grid somewhere like I did tonight.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Maikel K. on February 22, 2017, 10:04:35 PM +0000
Phew, as supsected, this turned out to be a pretty intense race.

Saw someone going fast into T1, but as I was already anticipating something, I did managed to lessen the damage by straigthening the car abit. Saw in the replay that it was Denis who had a little touche with nfsw. Rejoined about 11th so I had to fight my way back. It was an all out epic struggle back to P1 ( okay, it was mostly passing people who spun/went offtrack, though I did have atleast a few nice battles  ;D ). Last 10 laps or so it was just me and nfsw close behind, but our pace was pretty much equal.
 
I'm really pleased though at how AC handles the damage now, even from that little bump my front and right side were a nice sunny yellow, but I don't think it mattered much it terms of driving. I thought I had a little bit less understeer, but seeing as I was close to beating my personal best one time I think I might have imagined it ( damn that placebo effect  8) )

Didn't notice any unfair driving myself and besides first turn it went pretty smooth. Tiny bump against a shark but luckily he wasn't hungry and turned around  :P

Though sticking to someones bumper going over those fast uphill twisty corners and not seeing anything besides the car in front was abit more scary  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 22, 2017, 10:05:44 PM +0000
Can I please remind everyone, including you Mark (director) of the following rule for this league...
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.msg54460#msg54460 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.msg54460#msg54460)

Quote
Under no circumstances should drivers engage in discussion of incidents in a public forum (including in-game chat). In particular, no attempt should be made to apportion blame.
A brief mention of an incident may be made in a public race report.



Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 22, 2017, 10:07:33 PM +0000
That went better than expected - at least up until the race!

Managed to gain 5th briefly thanks to the contact up front into T1 and even held it until the very fast left hander after all the esses - despite slowing more than enough the car just didn't turn in and I ran wide.
That in itself wouldn't have been an issue as it mearly dropped me back to where I qualified, the problem was when I then span it onto the main straight and ended up about 2 or 3 from last ::)

Had a good drive back up the field with some good racing, this all ended while I was trying to get close enough to Linus to make a pass and put a wheel too high on one of the kerbs.
I lost it and smashed into the wall pretty hard.
It didn't have much effect on my lap times but as the windscreen was smashed and the sun was getting increasingly low it was VERY hard to concentrate and as a result I only managed to go backwards from there  :(


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: picnic on February 22, 2017, 10:08:51 PM +0000
>>>>> LAP Charts <<<<< (http://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/ac/vir 22_02_2017.htm)

(http://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/ac/vir 22_02_2017.png)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: picnic on February 22, 2017, 10:16:06 PM +0000
So those extra wait times that have been introduced, I can't see how you set them using AcServerManager nor can I find reference to these settings in the AC Server Manager post. So how do you do this?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 22, 2017, 10:20:37 PM +0000
Discussing it in a race thread is fine in my book Simon, as long as it doesn't descend into shouty accusations.   :-* There is a big difference to being knocked off by numpty driving verses unfortunate racing contact. Would always wish for both cars to continue unscathed but sadly it doesn't often happen.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 22, 2017, 10:28:18 PM +0000
So those extra wait times that have been introduced, I can't see how you set them using AcServerManager nor can I find reference to these settings in the AC Server Manager post. So how do you do this?
Just set RESULT_SCREEN_TIME=0 in main Server section  :)
BTW Server was ok , Thanks Pete.
But again i got server disconnect in the end of prac. Fortunatelly i regoined to Q and all was ok )))
What the bad things happens w me- i dont know. It my ( provider or so) local issue.
And may be we are not need extra lap which was after race finish?
Just set RACE_EXTRA_LAP=0


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 22, 2017, 10:33:11 PM +0000
Simon 1 question- can i put there a youtube onboards from my races with some intresting time points ? How it is correlate to rulez?
If no - i will no , no problems  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: picnic on February 22, 2017, 10:42:39 PM +0000
So those extra wait times that have been introduced, I can't see how you set them using AcServerManager nor can I find reference to these settings in the AC Server Manager post. So how do you do this?
Just set RESULT_SCREEN_TIME=0 in main Server section  :)
Thanks for that, if you search for the wrong thing thy shall not find it. I was transfixed on the word wait in all the searches I did  :-[

But again i got server disconnect in the end of prac. Fortunatelly i regoined to Q and all was ok )))
What the bad things happens w me- i dont know. It my ( provider or so) local issue.
Not sure why that happens to you, there was no mass disconnect like before. Although I bet Dennis is not happy he lost connection with a handful of laps left to run. I assume it's just network routing.

And may be we are not need extra lap which was after rece finish?
Just set RACE_EXTRA_LAP=0
Personally I prefer not to have the car snatched away under AI control as soon as the race ends. In the old GTR 2 days we used to let off steam by crashing in to each other just after the finish line / at the 1st corner   ::)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: nfsw55 on February 22, 2017, 11:40:33 PM +0000
That was a very busy race.

The track is awesome and I felt quite comfortable there. I set a new PB in the practice session and I was very confident for the race. Qualified P2 behind Maikel, who also found some tenths, since I wasn't able to replicate my practice lap from earlier on.
Start was ok, but at turn one someone came across the grass and collided with Maikel (just watched the replay and there I noticed that it was Denis who had a little touch with me right at the start). I was able to avoid both cars, but Alexey passed all of us on the inside line and went into the lead :D  As I already mentioned before, Alexey and me also collided the lap after and Simon went into the lead.
After that the race settled down a bit and I found myself in a nice group with Simon and Denis, closely battling for P1.
After passing Simon I had the lead for exactly one lap ;D I went too wide at the downhill section right before the oak tree corner and spun on the grass. I entered the track after the oak tree corner on the back straight, but I had the feeling that I even gained a few tenths there to the guys behind, so I decided to wait and let the leading trio go by.
After that I just tried to follow Maikel, had some more battling with Simon and finished P2 in the end.

Now off to Bathurst, which will probably be the most challenging race this season :P



Personally I prefer not to have the car snatched away under AI control as soon as the race ends. I

 :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 23, 2017, 05:30:07 AM +0000
"I noticed that it was Denis who had a little touch with me"

That's one way to put it...
Maybe you shouldn't pull to the right for no reason when there are cars right next to you, just a heads up.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 23, 2017, 09:08:24 AM +0000
Well I need to apologise to Michael, I saw the replay quickly this morning and the gap I thought I saw just wasn't there really. In my racing head I threw a dummy to take my normal wider entry knowing he kept putting his car middle of the road to block me, so I did a late move for the inside line (hence why it looked like he turned in on me from my cockpit). My front left makes contact with his side rear quarter and we both go off.
Sorry Michael, maybe a little frustration/desperation had crept in after 4-5 laps stuck behind you and losing so much time.  :(


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 23, 2017, 10:00:27 AM +0000
"I noticed that it was Denis who had a little touch with me"

That's one way to put it...
Maybe you shouldn't pull to the right for no reason when there are cars right next to you, just a heads up.


This is exactly why WE DONT DISCUSS INCIDENTS IN PUBLIC!

Always check the replay before making any statement public or private as your recollection maybe different from reality.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 23, 2017, 10:01:22 AM +0000
Discussing it in a race thread is fine in my book Simon, as long as it doesn't descend into shouty accusations.   :-* There is a big difference to being knocked off by numpty driving verses unfortunate racing contact. Would always wish for both cars to continue unscathed but sadly it doesn't often happen.

It's the rules, it's not fine and the rules are there for a reason. You of all people, being a director, should follow the rules and lead by example. If you think the rules are wrong then talk to the management team and get the rules changed. The rules are not open to interpretation they are simple and clear, no public race incident discussion.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 23, 2017, 10:02:54 AM +0000
Simon 1 question- can i put there a youtube onboards from my races with some intresting time points ? How it is correlate to rulez?
If no - i will no , no problems  :)
I don't believe there is a rule about your own youtube videos, so I guess you can do whatever you like with them, as long as the discussion is not here.

The rule is there so that race incidents dont descend into "you're an idiot" type discussions as they tend to do when people disagree.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 23, 2017, 10:07:11 AM +0000
Just for memory  :) Thanks all guys for the race! I need 2x30 minutes races in our Cup!  ;D
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=gT3xLy4xdJ8
Forgot to put in place skins after AC clean install  :(
Moments:
0.12
2.15
5.40
14.20
15.00 Not fault. Safety pushing on the grass to avoid contact ;)
16.45 second try  :)
18.36 third try
22.30
25.23
 :)




Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 23, 2017, 10:24:50 AM +0000
The rule is there so that race incidents dont descend into "you're an idiot" type discussions as they tend to do when people disagree.
Absolutely agree  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 23, 2017, 10:25:46 AM +0000
"I noticed that it was Denis who had a little touch with me"

That's one way to put it...
Maybe you shouldn't pull to the right for no reason when there are cars right next to you, just a heads up.


This is exactly why WE DONT DISCUSS INCIDENTS IN PUBLIC!

Always check the replay before making any statement public or private as your recollection maybe different from reality.

well.. discussing incidents in public can help clarifying your line of stewarding to the drivers though.
speaking of stewarding, have there been any consequences from the race at Hockenheim?


oh and i first had a nice giggle when i saw that happening in my mirrors, then i cried as i noticed it was me, being kicked from the server.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1v3UNmut3Q


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 23, 2017, 10:27:14 AM +0000
and where to discuss incidents then, if not in the specific race thread?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 23, 2017, 10:30:09 AM +0000
Alexey and me also collided

its nice to see the habit of causing a collision and then just driving away like nothing happened.
i rate these moves a solid 5/7 ;)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: picnic on February 23, 2017, 10:38:10 AM +0000
Incidents are meant to be reported using the form linked to under the results (I was going to post the link but it's specific to an event so probably not the best idea). A team of moderators will then rule on the incident and give guidance / penalties etc. as required. I don't think anyone has submitted a report at any time in this series so until then I suspect no action will happen. Simon has hinted several times people should do so.

I'll also take this moment to point out the rules say no chat in qualifying or the race. There was a lot of chat going on in qualifying last night, some by people who should know better!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 23, 2017, 10:40:42 AM +0000
and where to discuss incidents then, if not in the specific race thread?
Read the information here...
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.msg54460#msg54460 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.msg54460#msg54460)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 23, 2017, 10:42:09 AM +0000
Incidents are meant to be reported using the form linked to under the results (I was going to post the link but it's specific to an event so probably not the best idea). A team of moderators will then rule on the incident and give guidance / penalties etc. as required. I don't think anyone has submitted a report at any time in this series so until then I suspect no action will happen. Simon has hinted several times people should do so.

I'll also take this moment to point out the rules say no chat in qualifying or the race. There was a lot of chat going on in qualifying last night, some by people who should know better!

reporting incidents for the stewards is all fine with this  tool, but whats wrong with discussion them in public?

nobody knows how you judge incidents so nobody can know what style of driving you dislike and what you prefer.

and from what i can see, while the majority here are focussing on gentleman behavior, others might get away with dirty moves. Please be clear about what you want from your races.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 23, 2017, 11:03:18 AM +0000
I think the reason there has been no incident reports is because on the whole the racing has been pretty clean and any incidents have usually resulted from hard close racing (that these cars allow) so quite ironic that I now find myself the subject of one  ::) but can understand another drivers reason for making them if they feel aggrieved.
There have definitely been moments throughout the series that should have had reports.

I had full intention of watching replays after each round and warning people but work has got so mental lately I just don't have any more spare time. So if anyone else wants to appoint themselves replay judge be my guest.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 23, 2017, 11:20:32 AM +0000
Denis ans Simon, all is good here in incident reporting system.
We are needs only one thing:  is to public referee verdicts in next round header.
" Current penaltyes"  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on February 23, 2017, 11:50:47 AM +0000
I think the reason there has been no incident reports is because on the whole the racing has been pretty clean
There is an outstanding incident reported from Hockenheim


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 23, 2017, 12:18:22 PM +0000
I know it's a big ask but can someone deal with the incidents before next weeks round? As I am named in one I will stay out of it.

Will say we shouldn't get too hung up on this. It was a very tricky track and was especially hard following closely in some sectors. The racing was fantastic once again for the most part  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: phspok on February 23, 2017, 12:21:19 PM +0000
I was spun by someone in the first lap I think, my replay doesn't go back far enough, and It was an accident rather
than someone being silly, so I don't tend to put in reports unless someone does something blatantly unreasonable.
Finger pointing in these forums causes bad feelings, so we discourage it strongly.

Getting penalties from an incident report has caused some to occasionally leave a series in anger as well.
Most people are mature, and just suck it up and try to be more carefull in future. I have seen a few moves by people in this
series that are questionable, and sometimes downright over aggressive, so some incident reports may be a good idea.

We are not paid millions to do this, it is for fun, we like to keep it that way  :angel:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 23, 2017, 12:26:58 PM +0000
I know it's a big ask but can someone deal with the incidents before next weeks round? As I am named in one I will stay out of it.

Will say we shouldn't get too hung up on this. It was a very tricky track and was especially hard following closely in some sectors. The racing was fantastic once again for the most part  :thumbup1:

missing the point here a bit imo..
yes the racing was again very nice and i enjoyed it, but the fact that (i have to point my finger now) nfsw keeps messing up in plenty of ways, and nobody seem to care, is just annoying.

in every race me, Luca or Sam participated, he had made some at least questionable moves, and even worse, he keeps on driving not giving a darn about the other guy. This is a prime example from last night that i witnessed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2OkAbQCkEc

a little public shaming wouldnt hurt.

Delete that if you want, but imo the stewarding is too limp and spoils the brilliant racing experience with these cars in this community


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 23, 2017, 12:28:16 PM +0000
We are not paid millions to do this, it is for fun, we like to keep it that way  :angel:

exactly.. so why letting people get away with incidents were they were at fault?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: spanner on February 23, 2017, 12:31:35 PM +0000
A nightmare first lap due to the huge difference in grip cold to hot, thought I could take the uphill sweepers flat but found I couldn't , went straight on the grass and tried rejoining just after the next quick LHer before the tree hairpin. Sadly when rejoining I got hit rather hard and hit the barriers and damaged the windscreen making it difficult to see. I also never see the damage indicator despit clearly seeing damage. So then spent the rest of the lap worrying about why my game doesn't seems to be working properly, annoyed at the car that I thin mess up the last sequence. and decided to leave being rather pissed off.

I don't think i'll join in the for the last ones as each race now depending on the undulations and corners seems ot struggle.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Jeffrey on February 23, 2017, 12:35:13 PM +0000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2OkAbQCkEc

Report this in the official manner, and it can get a penalty (not say it will, but it sure can). If a driver keeps getting penalties there will be further consequences, which IIRC has happened in the past.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Linus27 on February 23, 2017, 12:35:49 PM +0000
Well I need to apologise to Michael, I saw the replay quickly this morning and the gap I thought I saw just wasn't there really. In my racing head I threw a dummy to take my normal wider entry knowing he kept putting his car middle of the road to block me, so I did a late move for the inside line (hence why it looked like he turned in on me from my cockpit). My front left makes contact with his side rear quarter and we both go off.
Sorry Michael, maybe a little frustration/desperation had crept in after 4-5 laps stuck behind you and losing so much time.  :(

Not sure if I am allowed to reply to this but here goes. Thank you for the apology and accepted.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Jeffrey on February 23, 2017, 12:37:26 PM +0000
BTW, I can review and judge incidents if you want, but I'm rusty on the technical part of importing it on the website, so maybe I can just send my judgement and penalties and somebody else can do the technical mumbo jumbo?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Samwell952 on February 23, 2017, 12:38:19 PM +0000
I know it's a big ask but can someone deal with the incidents before next weeks round? As I am named in one I will stay out of it.

Will say we shouldn't get too hung up on this. It was a very tricky track and was especially hard following closely in some sectors. The racing was fantastic once again for the most part  :thumbup1:

missing the point here a bit imo..
yes the racing was again very nice and i enjoyed it, but the fact that (i have to point my finger now) nfsw keeps messing up in plenty of ways, and nobody seem to care, is just annoying.

in every race me, Luca or Sam participated, he had made some at least questionable moves, and even worse, he keeps on driving not giving a darn about the other guy. This is a prime example from last night that i witnessed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2OkAbQCkEc

a little public shaming wouldnt hurt.

Delete that if you want, but imo the stewarding is too limp and spoils the brilliant racing experience with these cars in this community


I'm going to add my opinion here too, this video of the accident between Alexey and nswf was similar to the dive bombs I complained about at Speilberg.
Hockenheim he knew his ping was too high to race safely, yet continued to do so anyway causing a pile up. (Which I reported properly btw)
This race again he causes a crash through braking too late and ruining somebody else's race, and doesn't have the decency or respect to accept responsibility and give the place back.
This isn't a one off, it's a reoccurring theme throughout this series and yet there have been no penalties and no recognition from the moderators that this behaviour isn't allowed, except for the odd passive "people are being over aggressive" comments.
So your actions are suggesting that we can bump and spin people out of the way with no consequences? Because if you don't enforce some kind of penalty, then people won't change, as their approach is working.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Linus27 on February 23, 2017, 12:50:54 PM +0000
With regards to the reporting, I don't usually but two things made my mind up this time. Firstly, Simon did push for all incidents to be reported. Secondly, and more importantly, I was disappointed that after being spun out, the other driver didn't wait to let me rejoin and take my place back. This has been an unwritten gentleman's rule in online racing for as long as I can remember and used to happen in all the UKGPL, GTR2, GTL RF races I have attended. Even though this unwritten rule is not official or enforced, it is the gentlemanly and good sportsman thing to do and something I have done in this championship or the previous. For me, it was very clear cut that I was not at fault and so I was unhappy the other driver did not give the place back. If they had, then I certainly would of not submitted an incident report.

This is just my opinion but I like to play fair and have in the past put myself forward to be penalized when I made a mistake and took another driver out, for example on the main straight in the GT3 Nurburg race.



Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: phspok on February 23, 2017, 01:07:25 PM +0000
Guys, Read the rules that Simon posted a link to.
I am a moderator for GTL, I don't do AC enough to want to moderate this.
But, when moderating, if someone waits for the victim to get going, the moderator would likely take
that into account. If someone shoves another off, and  then just carries on, the penalty is likely to be more harsh
In our other series here, people tend not to put in reports if people wait, or take a self imposed drive through for example.

Moderator reports are a pain in the bum becasue someone has to trawl though replays and then do the admin
But if anyone has a grievence that is the proper way to do it.
I don't think we have actually had any incident reports finished with penalties yet? It's not that the moderators
(whoever they may be) are being wimpy, just none seem to have been through the system fully yet?
Mod reports can take weeks to do, it depends on how many mods there are, and that they move it on quickly.

As I posted earlier we have had examples of repeat offenders receiving penalties, and quiting a series
in righteous indignation. It's not what we want, but it can happen.

This is not the 1st series we have ever run at SROUK, we have been doing this stuff for many years successfully
we have systems that work, even if slow at times, if people use them.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 23, 2017, 01:19:22 PM +0000
I gave my reason for not waiting last night. In my opionion in the heat of the moment I believed you had tried to close the door on me and it was one of those 50/50 race incidents, especially as it meant I went off and lost a place too. If It was a clear cut punt up the rear or stupid late braking move I would have waited. The fact I sat on your bumper for 4 or 5 laps previously, continually having to get out the throttle or take avoiding action showed I am 99% a clean racer and could have taken you out anytime if I was dumb  ;)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: phspok on February 23, 2017, 01:31:57 PM +0000
 :fencing:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Linus27 on February 23, 2017, 02:34:36 PM +0000
I gave my reason for not waiting last night. In my opionion in the heat of the moment I believed you had tried to close the door on me and it was one of those 50/50 race incidents, especially as it meant I went off and lost a place too. If It was a clear cut punt up the rear or stupid late braking move I would have waited. The fact I sat on your bumper for 4 or 5 laps previously, continually having to get out the throttle or take avoiding action showed I am 99% a clean racer and could have taken you out anytime if I was dumb  ;)

I'm not going to comment any further as the rules state we should not discuss this in the forum. However, my opinion on the incident differs very different to yours. I would like to make it very clear that I have found you to be a clean racer and we have had and will have in the future some amazing close racing. I'm not accusing you of taking me out intentionally either or calling you a reckless driver. We all make mistakes as I have admitted doing in the past.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Jeffrey on February 23, 2017, 03:12:37 PM +0000
Also, if we want races to be moderated, we need official full race replays and not be dependant on drivers providing those.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Maikel K. on February 23, 2017, 04:20:51 PM +0000
While I wouldn't mind helping out playing judge and sifting through the replay looking for incidents, I'd be a terribble excecutioner  ;D

I'm guessing MJ doesn't like handing out penalties since it can scare away some racers though its mostly newcomers who quit.

Maybe as a new rule we can have any drivers involved in an incident be allowed ONE post as a defence/explanation. That way the moderators can hear both sides and decide the penalty, while keeping the chat from becoming an "your an idiot" battle  ;D

On a last note, as nfsw defence, while he is sometimes abit aggressive, he is also capable of clean battling. I saw he had a nice fight with Simon this race and I had a very long battle with him over at Silverstone. Though a penalty might be warranted for this race, even the pro's at F1 make mistakes and receive penalties  8)

Ps: I wouldn't mind uploading replays and sending someone the times for any incidents, but since my free 50 gb of dropbox expired anyone know a good upload site ( with atleast some decent download speed, file size is around 400 mb, but thats including practise and quali )


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: picnic on February 23, 2017, 04:33:03 PM +0000
Also, if we want races to be moderated, we need official full race replays and not be dependant on drivers providing those.
The AC server doesn't generate a replay file, we're reliant on the players to do that. This is one reason I'd recommend everyone to save a client replay, if warp is involved it allows both parties to submit a fragment of replay. One showing contact the other probably not.

While I wouldn't mind helping out playing judge and sifting through the replay looking for incidents, I'd be a terribble excecutioner  ;D
Generally no one would be required to do that. The incident system requires the reporter to state when the incident happened so any reviewer knows where to go look. I believe that anyone mentioned in a report will get an automatic email where they get the chance to respond. No need to do this publicly.



Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 23, 2017, 05:10:13 PM +0000
Stewarding must happen publicly, at least the decisions, not the decision making.

People need to know own the stewards judge the incidents so they can get an idea of the guidelines you guys have.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: picnic on February 23, 2017, 05:14:04 PM +0000
Once an event has been published the details of penalties and why they were felt just appear below the results in the race topic (where the submit link is now)

I think everything is pretty transparent.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 23, 2017, 05:50:13 PM +0000
So not a single incident has been punished, not even a warning??
Because I've never seen anything like that.

If so I might start nudging people out of my way and drive away with it :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: phspok on February 23, 2017, 05:54:50 PM +0000
Results pages have included moderators reports in the past.
Like I said earlier, I don't think any incident reports in this (relatively new, to us) series
has actually gone through the full procedure yet. THis may be because
there may not be an official moderator appointed for this series.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: LucaBabetto on February 23, 2017, 06:02:51 PM +0000
Just wanted to step in and say a few things on the whole "not reporting incidents in public" thing. Far from me to tell you how to do your job so don't take it the wrong way, I'm just giving a piece of advice.

Quote
I'm guessing MJ doesn't like handing out penalties since it can scare away some racers though its mostly newcomers who quit.

That's a debatable way of approaching the issue. I've been a mod/admin at both RRL, which was a small community like yours, with 20-ish people showing up at the races, and ACRL, which has a huge user base (last Sunday we had over 90 people racing in GT3 split in 3 different servers in EU, and 50 more in NA). If I've learnt anything from my experience, it's that smaller communities like this better focus on the quality of the drivers rather than the quantity. If penalising a driver for having done something wrong will make him quit the community, trust me, you don't need him and you'll be better off without him.

I've joined the Porsche GT3 Cup you're running just because I know you have clean drivers who always respect each other. That's the only reason why I showed up to these (not all, due to my bad schedule!) races. If you start accepting wreckers and allowing them to ruin your races because you don't want to lose drivers, you'll end up doing the opposite and scaring away drivers who'd rather drive with less people but in a clean race.

While keeping polite tones and not offending each other (i.e. "I really think the move you made was unsportsmanlike" instead of "you very naughty person") it's only beneficial to discuss incidents in public. You'll reinforce the focus on driving cleanly, those drivers who made genuine mistakes will be reprimanded and they'll learn from their mistakes, while those drivers who obviously won't fit with your racing principles will be more easily spotted so everyone will know which guys to avoid on track (I knew nsfw is a very aggressive driver, so I just let him pass and waited for him to crash into someone, which did happen).

This community strikes me as mature and intelligent, I'm sure you'll be able to discuss incidents without throwing insults at each other. You should see the cancer in the comments section at ACRL.

[Post edited to remove offensive language]


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Jeffrey on February 23, 2017, 06:15:02 PM +0000
I will do the incident moderating for the Porsche Cup from now on, and trust me, I will give penalties if you deserve one  :P .



Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Brocookie on February 23, 2017, 07:03:04 PM +0000
I will do the incident moderating for the Porsche Cup from now on, and trust me, I will give penalties if you deserve one  :P .



+1


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 23, 2017, 07:05:11 PM +0000
I will do the incident moderating for the Porsche Cup from now on, and trust me, I will give penalties if you deserve one  :P .


Thanks Jeffrey! IMO, all we will needs here- is to have an info for done penaltyes in 1st post of next race topic to the moment of day of upcoming race.  :)
And guys sorry for my english. I love English and flyed online some years in FSX Vatsim system using real world phraseology in Engish and IMO- all was fine  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Linus27 on February 23, 2017, 07:17:56 PM +0000
Just wanted to step in and say a few things on the whole "not reporting incidents in public" thing. Far from me to tell you how to do your job so don't take it the wrong way, I'm just giving a piece of advice.

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I'm guessing MJ doesn't like handing out penalties since it can scare away some racers though its mostly newcomers who quit.

That's a debatable way of approaching the issue. I've been a mod/admin at both RRL, which was a small community like yours, with 20-ish people showing up at the races, and ACRL, which has a huge user base (last Sunday we had over 90 people racing in GT3 split in 3 different servers in EU, and 50 more in NA). If I've learnt anything from my experience, it's that smaller communities like this better focus on the quality of the drivers rather than the quantity. If penalising a driver for having done something wrong will make him quit the community, trust me, you don't need him and you'll be better off without him.

I've joined the Porsche GT3 Cup you're running just because I know you have clean drivers who always respect each other. That's the only reason why I showed up to these (not all, due to my bad schedule!) races. If you start accepting wreckers and allowing them to ruin your races because you don't want to lose drivers, you'll end up doing the opposite and scaring away drivers who'd rather drive with less people but in a clean race.

While keeping polite tones and not offending each other (i.e. "I really think the move you made was unsportsmanlike" instead of "you very naughty person") it's only beneficial to discuss incidents in public. You'll reinforce the focus on driving cleanly, those drivers who made genuine mistakes will be reprimanded and they'll learn from their mistakes, while those drivers who obviously won't fit with your racing principles will be more easily spotted so everyone will know which guys to avoid on track (I knew nsfw is a very aggressive driver, so I just let him pass and waited for him to crash into someone, which did happen).

This community strikes me as mature and intelligent, I'm sure you'll be able to discuss incidents without throwing insults at each other. You should see the cancer in the comments section at ACRL.

[Post edited to remove offensive language]

Great post Luca, thank you for sharing and being honest. This was only your second post as well. You should post more often :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Linus27 on February 23, 2017, 07:18:45 PM +0000
I will do the incident moderating for the Porsche Cup from now on, and trust me, I will give penalties if you deserve one  :P .



Thanks Jeffrey for stepping up and taking on this responsibility.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Jeffrey on February 23, 2017, 07:18:49 PM +0000
Don't forget guys, only reported incidents will be reviewed, but if other incidents are found but not reported, they can get a verdict, there just won't be a penalty applied. So if you feel something was unfair, please do make a report. Both parties will receive a mail and I will read both sides of the story. You can always complain about the penalty and it may get reviewed by somebody else.

PS: I will wait till Saturday with the VIR race, to give people bit more time to file reports or reply to reports.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Linus27 on February 23, 2017, 07:20:47 PM +0000
Don't forget guys, only reported incidents will be reviewed, but if other incidents are found but not reported, they can get a verdict, there just won't be a penalty applied. So if you feel something was unfair, please do make a report. Both parties will receive a mail and I will read both sides of the story. You can always complain about the penalty and it may get reviewed by somebody else.

PS: I will wait till Saturday with the VIR race, to give people bit more time to file reports or reply to reports.

Do you have a copy of the replay or need it posted?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Jeffrey on February 23, 2017, 07:35:57 PM +0000
Do you have a copy of the replay or need it posted?

I downloaded somebody's replay, but would be nice to find the replay in the same spot in the future so I don't have to read through a whole thread to find the replay  :).


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Linus27 on February 23, 2017, 07:38:24 PM +0000
Alexey, PM sent.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 23, 2017, 08:49:44 PM +0000
Quite glad I've been too busy to get on here all day  :( Suddenly everyone is more focused on contacts than the great racing  ::) Doesn't make for enthusiastic reading.
Still, there is some constructive criticism amongst it and thanks go to Jeff for volunteering to officiate  :) I simply haven't got the time at the moment nor ever volunteered to be a judge of contacts, I just create the championships and hope to get healthy grids of clean racers.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on February 23, 2017, 11:38:53 PM +0000
Do you have a copy of the replay or need it posted?

I downloaded somebody's replay, but would be nice to find the replay in the same spot in the future so I don't have to read through a whole thread to find the replay  :).
Replays should be placed here https://replay.simracing.org.uk/index.php


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 23, 2017, 11:43:50 PM +0000
Alexey, PM sent.
Answered


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Jeffrey on February 25, 2017, 01:50:02 PM +0000
Penalties are judged. You can see the result at the top of the thread.

If you disagree, feel free to appeal :).


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Mark J on February 25, 2017, 02:54:07 PM +0000
Feels harsh for my first contact of the season and after following so closely for numerous laps, but my move didn't work and cost us both places, so will have to take it on the chin  :(

Thanks for viewing them before the next round Jeff. Did you look at the Hockenheim incident too?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on February 25, 2017, 04:32:15 PM +0000
Did you look at the Hockenheim incident too?
Look at Hock results


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 Porsche Cup - VIR - Feb 22
Post by: Baikal on February 26, 2017, 03:42:47 AM +0000
Thanks for verdicts Jeff!
IMO it will be more polite if verdicts will put under spoiler  :)