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Season 31 Historic Trophy – Round 2 - Panchine

Welcome to the second round of the Historic Trophy at Panchine. A very convincing fantasy track imagined to be in North Italy. Fast, sweeping circuit with traps for the unwary. There are a couple of jumps, a tricky turn or two and very sticky hedges, so be careful. It is a relatively long circuit so space should open up, but slipstreaming might be crucial whether you are in front or behind.


This race is for cars with 3 Litre engines.

Race List	=	IGOR
Server	=	UKGPL_4 (TBC)
IP Address	=	look at IGOR
Race date	=	19-02-2017
GPL mod	=	66F1
Variant	=	3 Litre
60fps patch used	=	60fpsV2newmod
Track	=	Panchine (http://www.javinester.co.uk/gpl/panchine.html)
Qualification	=	20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race	=	race starts at ~21:30 UK time
Race length	=	~50 min -> 25 laps
Damage Model	=	PRO
Replay	=	here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season31/Historics)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists and divisional rules can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=591&theme=6)

Only reported incidents will be moderated, there is no Red Zone.

The traditional Historics handicapping system will be used for this season with the drivers leading the championship being limited to the slower chassis.

Drivers limited to the Group I cars (Mclaren M2B Ford or T1G Eagle Weslake) are:
MagicArsouille (Tristan Bot) and Cookie

Drivers limited to the Group I or Group II cars (Mclaren M2B Ford, T1G Eagle Weslake, BRM P83 or Lotus 43 BRM) are:
Iestyn Davies and GregT

All other drivers have a free choice.

I'll setup a practice server tonight.  I need to check it out, my server seems to be temperamental with Panchine.

Just did a short praccy race with Gareth.  Server seems to be fine,  For some reason it just takes a little longer to load up the track  ???

can't believe it..threw it away in the lead. was short but good racing. i better go to bed now.

Sorry Andi i just heared a car approach and i hoped you take race line because i couldn't see. so i rolled on.

after good fun race of battle in front, whith 12 laps to go ...engine blow up !..... :-\

That race was tremendous fun. Spent most of it battling away with the field, and only a silly-half hearted move which resulted in spin, ruined my race-long dice.

I haven't really driven the 66 Eagle all that much, and while it sounded magnificent, I really didn't appreciate just how underpowered it is. However, with a generous tow and a nice balance through the bends I was able to keep in contention with Clive, Doni and Tris. Tris fell by the wayside a half distance and not long after, I made my fateful move on Doni.

I say move; it was more of a plonk-your-car-in-no-man's-land and hope for the best  ::). I'm not sure Doni even knew I was sort of alongside and turned in as normal. I had to take avoiding action to avoid a collision but my recovery from my spin put me well out of contention, out of the tow and no way of catching Clive & Doni  :-[.

Not at all your fault Doni, I should have backed out much sooner. Silly of me to even contemplate overtaking in the esses.

Congrats to all finishers, track sure is fun  :).

So much error.  >:(

Mine ended (hopefully in the points edit: NOT EVEN  >:( >:( >:() when Andreas got sideways out the hairpin into Alessandro. So of course I'm the one on the rollhoop.  :P

Fun tonight.. Learned the combo in qualifying, fixed a terrible setup from a previous race, start went OK.

After the straight on Lap 1, I had a H16 wobble behind Axel and didn't expect Fran to be on my outside when I gathered it up; when I saw him ahead alongside I couldn't turn away fast enough and we collided, twice. Thankfully Fran was able to continue, I thought he was out on the spot.

Managed to catch up with some help from those in front and there was a fun double pass with Andy and Axel. After lap 3, every lap was a 54, with 53s once I started to catch the slipstream of the lead pack (unless it doesn't stretch 5 seconds back? :angel:).

Noticed at this point that I had used 10.4 gallons at half distance (12.5 laps), with 9.6 left, possibly starting a click too low. Starting to think about saving fuel and still catching up with slipstream, Tris had his engine blow, then I caught myself bogging down a gear too high, clutch/downshifting with power on and promptly blowing up the engine.  ::)

A shame, as it felt very Clark-like to catch up to the lead pack in the #5, and it could have been even faster had Alessandro not spun off after following me for a few corners (I thought I could try and follow him once he passed me).

Not sure if I could have done anything in the lead battle, but another 3rd place would have been a nice prize at least. If I couldn't save enough fuel in the Clive/Doni slipstream, the outcome would have been the same as Clark at Monza in '67 :P

PS. Doni, my question from last week was: you saw both F1 and Can-Am at Mosport in 1967, yes? I had a discussion on Reddit which highlighted how the '67 Can-Ams were faster than the F1 cars! Interesting to think that F1 only regained being the fastest cars once it gained wings and Can-Am ended after the amazing Porsche.

Short race for me  :(
Approaching the fast turn 3 on lap 1 and had a choice to either try to go around the outside of Philippe or sit in behind him.  Decided on the former but unfortunately I went slightly wide just where Billy was stuck in the hedge.  I clipped Billy and lost my nearside rear wheel.  Sorry Billy but I'm pretty sure you were stuck solid in there so I didn't ruin your race. I nearly ruined David's though, pleased to see you missed the carnage Dave. 

Pleased the server was OK.  No connection problems or bad warp from what I could see.  If there were any issues I'm not aware of please let me know.

Yes Phil, the server worked perfect!  :thumbup2:
No warp seen in the whole race with a full grid.

Just had to keep on the tarmac with this slow eagle...

Phil, I had a screen freeze in qualification. Otherwise server connection seemed fine. Can't actually say it was a proper test under race conditions because I stuck the car in the hedge at T3 on the first lap. The damage was done before you clipped me. No need to file a report. Might revert to the Brabham for next race, having problems controlling the prancing horse.

Excluding the incident with Iestyn the race was normal with a good battle with Philippe until some my error.

I had a very bad start which kept me out of some trouble ahead. I went from about 16th to 6th without out doing much.
I let some hard chargers through for a better chance of survival and then crashed myself.
I think I overtook Axel's low powered Eagle and couldn't make the next corner twice. I was lucky that the grabbing hedges didn't quite hold me.
It was fun with lots going on.

In qualyfication I'm freezed and the only way was to reboot PC, esc/ctrl-alt-canc, don't works, but maybe was problem only mine because when I have come back in the server all the other drivers they were inside

After a few turns I forgot ( ;D) that tires was cold I made a mistake and going out on grass, I touched very softly a net but this enough for to break a suspension, from here all my race was a torture because my steering whell was turned by few degrees and because at every turn my car can go in untersteer or oversteer casually and without notice, the many spin was the naturally conseguences, the last when I have reached Blood for podium
Great race all and compliments for victory and podium, and thanks Admin and moderators to permit all this

That was a real fun race and not just because I finished first.

I think I might owe an apology to Gareth? Maybe we touched on the tight right hander at the end of the straight when I went for the pass and we both ended up on the grass? If you think that I was at fault put in a report Gareth and let the mods take a look.
Before that moment it was an intense battle at the front with the more powerful Hondas and Ferraris jostling for position with the better handling Eagles that were being sucked along in the slipstream.

The trip onto the grass dropped me back to about 6th or 7th and I had to put in some seriously risky laps to get myself back in touch with the leading group.
The rest of the race was intense. Doni was hustling his Honda along and was definitely better on the brakes than I was and with any slipstream he threatened to ( and a couple of times, did achieve!!) a pass at the end of each fast section. When Tris blew his engine it left a 3 way battle for the podium places. Sam would tuck into the slipstream on the straights and regain lost ground under braking and better handling, only to lose out again when the Wazas used their horsepower on the straights.

When Sam made his unfortunate error and dropped back it became a straight dogfight between two Hondas and I felt that Doni had the better handling setup under braking and cornering, but I maybe had a small edge on acceleration. Probably we were running different ratios and diffs?
TBH Doni had me worried with his speed in my slipstream and superior braking, so with about 10 laps to go I decided that I had to get beyond slipstream range if I wanted to be sure of stealing the champagne. I gradually squeezed out a lead and eventually got beyond the magic 100metres which starved Doni of that tow. With the gap at 160 mtrs and only a few laps left I was beginning to feel secure.............................never a good idea in GPL!!
Then I caught a backmarker at the wrong part of the circuit and in seconds all of my hard work was undone with just 4 laps to go. That relentless Doni was all over my gearbox again, before making the move to take the lead with 3 laps left.

I sat behind him and planned how I might make this work. I had noticed that I appeared to gain an advantage through the Esses, but only if I was in front and could take my ideal line . So I had to pass him before that point and then run for the flag, what a brilliant strategy! ;D
I reversed the slipstream advantage and followed Doni until the last lap before making my move at the end of the straight. Hope my attack was fair Doni, but it had to be there or nowhere.  I did indeed pull a small gap through the Esses which was enough to keep me safe to the flag.
I felt a little guilty about denying Doni his win, you were a tough nut to crack Doni. Maybe next time you will be too strong?

Ripper of a race!  Prancing Horse?  NAH!  You needed the Red Ball Special!  :)

Grats to Clive on a fine win.  Close for me but no cigar.  Quite happy with a P2 placing.  Fine job by Sam to score a podium with the weak-in-the-knees Eagle.

The start was quite entertaining as I shot through the hole between Sam and Dean as both were tardy off the line.  Up to places before T1!  LOL!  Managed to catch the breeze off the lead serial and hang on comfortably.  Early fallers like Alex and Bastian...bad luck there, bud...paved the way to a chance for a top placing.  Quite interesting to see that the weak Eagles of Sam and Tristan were able to hang onto the Hondas so well.  Good job, gys.

On Lap08, I had a bit of a giggle as Clive just up ahead got out of phase in the esses and careened about looking for grip and a way out of his dilemma.  I could have pressed the issue for a pass but that would have been unkind and kinda risky.  My real concern was for Sam and Tris directly behind me not realizing that I was holding back to miss Clive and giving me a punt.  Luckily, they realized in enough time to not get into the back of my Honda.

Lap16 and I must thank with appreciation Sam's falling on his sword to avoid a collision in the esses.  I noted that he disappeared in my mirrors to the left and thought, 'NAH...  He's not seriously trying a pass there, is he?'  I more or less took the line leaving Sam the only options of spinning or hitting me.  Bad luck there, Sam.  Glad to see that you recovered in time for P3.

With about six laps to run and Clive & I level-pegging, my vision started to fog a bit.  Bugger!  It wasn't too bad but a bit disappointing as I'm new meds which are definitely helping.  They just didn't last long enough.  With the prospect of making a bad mistake and costing me...and possibly Clive, too...a good finish, I decided to play for P2 unless circumstances fell into my lap for the win.  I took my chance with a slipstream pass of Clive on the penultimate lap and held him till the last tour when he got underneath me on braking as we came off the back straight.  Clive went a touch wide there I came within an ace of drawing alongside.  I still held hope for a chance at payback through the esses and on the final straight but no, it was not to be.  Better P2 than ashes.

I hadn't been monitoring my pitboard very often and hadn't noticed that Iestyn was running P5 behind the lead quartet and gaining ground.  Just as he was looking to join the lead serial, his engine expired.  Pity.  And poor Tristan suffered the same fate around the same time.  Hardly justice for either.

Other things of note from the replay cap...  Alex with a nice recovery from his early off to challenge Sam for a podium only to spin away the honour late on.  Fulvio coming up 1/2 pint short on petrol on the last lap and having to yield to Axel for P5 right at the line.  Bad luck there, FP.  Nice drive I must say, Cookie.  Dave right in hunt for that position, too.  Good show.

Fun track!  :)

I see that Clive has just posted as I was about to do the same.  Hope his report is an entertaining as the race was.

I don't see replay at link, only me?

The link in the race post works for me...

This is what appears when click on the link  :wacko:

(http://i63.tinypic.com/2zzjpc3.jpg)

ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season31/Historics/ (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season31/Historics/)

Can you try to go with the folders tree to the right subfolder?

Error message:

"Impossibile raggiungere il sito

La pagina web all'indirizzo ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season31/Historics/ potrebbe essere temporaneamente non disponibile oppure è stata permanentemente spostata a un nuovo indirizzo web.
ERR_FTP_FAILED"

(it's in italian but circa says that the page could be temporarily not available or moved in other web address)

Seems blocked by your OS, provider or browser, works with firefox here.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/nrdfns

Tried with Opera also but same error, maybe OS has a block somewhere

Thanks for direct link Axel! this works fine

Moderation published

Well, my car was never clear beside the track after the multible spinning, every car going fast in the corner could have it hit me when I stopped, so I find that really hard penalty.

Sebastian.  
If you look at the penalty guidelines for a bad rejoin (see here (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/bad_rejoin)) you will find a 2 place penalty is the minimum awarded when contact is made with another car.

In the moderator's report it states "he should have applied the brakes instead of allowing his car to roll backwards onto the circuit." Your actions in that situation suggest you were more interesting in rejoining the circuit than you were in the other driver's welfare.  That doesn't mean you were deliberately trying to interfere with other drivers, however avoiding them wasn't your top priority. But it should be.

Andreas was lucky, he could continue and you couldn't. But if the situation had been reversed and it had been Andreas who had been knocked out of the race that would have been far far harder on Andreas than any penalty could be on you.

I hope you can see the logic in the report, it isn't meant to be vindictive or harsh. Rather the intent is to encourage fair and considerate driving. If a lesson is learnt and a similar incident is avoided in future then all is well.  Anyway the 2 place demotion is academic anyway given that you didn't get to 50% race distance and therefore didn't score points.  The championship table is unaffected.

Sometimes I wonder what some people think for what the brakes are there...

And I often wonder why some people have to get everything to the round table. For today, I could put someone on a investigation for a very bad rejoin, he lapped, me first and I have to hold the car under control on massenet somehow. Do I report It ? no, because I don't think it was intentionly, he didn't see me, like i didn't see you andreas. NO INTENTION. this should be more racing and less politics imo

There have been very few occasions when a driver has deliberately caused or tried to cause an accident.  The only occasion I can recall was in this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10650.msg192677#msg192677) race in 2012 when a driver took the law into his own hands. He laid in wait for his opponent to come round on the next lap and tried to take him out.   This guy was banned from UKGPL.  The corollary here is that there is no intent in the overwhelming majority of incidents but does that mean we are content for the incidents to happen over and over again?  I suggest not, we all want good clean racing and that means we have to learn lessons from each and every incident. The purpose of the moderation is not to simply apportion blame but to learn lessons and improve driving standards. If the next time someone is in a situation where they are about to roll back onto the racing line, instead of letting it happen they decide to apply their brakes thus preventing an accident, then all this discussion will have been worthwhile.