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Title: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Samb on March 08, 2017, 09:43:23 AM +0000
Season 31 Privateers Trophy - Round 03 - Zandvoort

To commemorate the 50th anniversary of the 1967 season, the UKGPL season will take place on 10 of the 11 original circuits. For the third round of the season we go to Circuit Park Zandvoort in the Netherlands. On 7 August 1948, the first race was held on the new permanent Zandvoort circuit. Soon more races followed on the course, with the first official Formula 1 Grand Prix becoming a milestone in 1952. Up until the mid-eighties, heroes like Alberto Ascari, Juan Manuel Fangio, Stirling Moss, Graham Hill, Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, James Hunt, Nelson Piquet and Alain Prost braved the challenging course in the Dutch dunes and won at Zandvoort. After the Grand Prix of 1985, the Formula 1 left Zandvoort, but the seaside resort and its impressive race track were not forgotten. Many years after the last Grand Prix, the ‘racing drivers of the day’ still talk about their experience on the race track where the challenging corners ‘separated the men from the boys’.

Note the Privateers division is run on Intermediate damage settings. Drivers are permitted 1 Shift R followed by a Stop & Go in the pit lane within 2 laps. Failure to make a stop will result in a 30 second time penalty. If you require a stop & go on the final lap & are unable to complete a time penalty of 15 secs is added.

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP = see iGOR
Race date = Sunday 12-03-2017
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Papyrus Original
Race length = 35 Laps (50 minutes)
Variant = 1967
60fps patch used   = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 30-45 minutes
Replays Available here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season31/Grads_Privs/)


Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=593&theme=6)

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Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Walter Conn on March 11, 2017, 06:03:31 AM +0000
What a difficult track. I enjoy practicing at Zandvoort, but I am still learning how to stay on track.   


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Walter Conn on March 12, 2017, 05:10:12 PM +0000
The US changed our clocks forward last night. From what I gather, the UK has not moved clocks forward. I think that will give me an extra hour to practice before the race.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: b_1_rd on March 12, 2017, 05:13:37 PM +0000
Clocks in the uk don't change until 26th. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Walter Conn on March 12, 2017, 05:22:45 PM +0000
Thanks


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: b_1_rd on March 12, 2017, 09:54:35 PM +0000
Not sure why but can't seem to get anywhere near the form I had a few years back, and even that wasn't that good.  Over 2 seconds a lap down on my own PB and 4 seconds off the leaders laps; with 1 close call and at least 3 off's and a shift R / stop go I was already nearly a lap down by lap 3 (I think) and I wasn't about to become a mobile chicane for 30 odd laps, especially on this tight track.

Perhaps the fantasy of taking the Honda for the season is pushing my limit too far and I better consider reverting to the more friendly COoper BRAbham combination I created the team name for.

Sorry to Phil who I know I messed up with a spin directly ahead of and I believe a few others were caught up to.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Phil Thornton on March 12, 2017, 10:22:30 PM +0000
Not sure why but can't seem to get anywhere near the form I had a few years back, and even that wasn't that good.  Over 2 seconds a lap down on my own PB....
When you find out what it is please tell me!  I'm just the same.  I've been putting it down to my H-Shifter and clutch but it might be something else  :o

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Sorry to Phil who I know I messed up with a spin directly ahead of and I believe a few others were caught up to.
No probs, I couldn't avoid you when you had the spin.  It was just at the point where I was getting the power down ready to try to slipstream you down the straight.  It is one of the few places at Zandvoort where it is safe to try to pass.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Rainier on March 12, 2017, 10:44:23 PM +0000
Race ruined by the accident of the 1st lap.

2 of the 3 leaders collided, I was cautious but I saw a car on the grass at right and another car (or several ?) rear ended me.
After that, I could continue but I was very slow 2 or 3 seconds less than usual.

Hopefully my engine exploded and after the shift-R and stop and go I had a pleasant race and could overtake 4 or 5 cars but finished far from the leaders.
   


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Walter Conn on March 12, 2017, 10:47:43 PM +0000
I'm still learning this track. Is it just me, or do some of the corners at Zandvoort have negative camber on the inside groove and positive camber on the outside groove. If I missed the apex, I would have to back way off because the car did not want to turn. I had more difficulty staying on track in the second half of the race. I thought for sure that the tires were too hot.  I checked the setup after the race, and the tires were perfect. I have to accept the blame for losing concentration.

I really enjoyed the challenge, but the track definitely got the best of me today. I am able to leave with some sense of satisfaction, but it could have gone better.

Good race,
Walter  


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Jeep on March 12, 2017, 11:35:23 PM +0000
No easy way to say this but the lap 1 incident was all my fault and I have to take full responsibility.  :hang:

I can't even plead lap 1 red mist, I felt I could make the pass cleanly but did not take a wide enough line. It was driver error (Mine) pure and simple..

I thought I had left Fulvio plenty of room on the inside the replay shows it differently, and while he did slide ever so slightly I turned into him. In the ensuing aftermath I was hit by Bastian (But not his fault as the only reason he took to the grass in the 1st place was I guess to avoid the carnage) and ended up on my roof so had to wait for most of the field to pass before taking my Shift r and rejoining. Took the S&G at the end of the lap and left the pits in around 15th place.

The rest of the race was a great, I had to take to the grass at 1 point to avoid a recovering Bastian later in the race and lost 2 positions but recovered them a few laps later when Bastian and Francesco had a misunderstanding at T1.

Other than Lap 1 I had a great race but there can be no denying it wasn't my most memorable moment in the season so far.  :nono:

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: AndyL on March 12, 2017, 11:36:53 PM +0000
I have to be happy with the result, but there are reasons why this happened.
I found a hot lap at the end of qualy to put me on the front row and then I was very surprised to find a good start in the BRM. This meant that when everyone else had a mid-track party on lap1, I was away and clear with Axel. Billy and Gareth were guarding my back around 5-10 seconds away and when Axel went off I had an empty track. Apart from DaveC, I didn't reach anyone to lap until just a few laps before the end. All I had to do was keep going - only 8th fastest on the track.
Fulvio started his recovery drive from about 45 seconds behind me and would have caught me in another two laps. Bastian also was closing in quickly at one point.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Pepe Higdon on March 13, 2017, 02:20:01 AM +0000
The worst thing that happened to me in preparation for this race occurred about 20 minutes before qualifying began. I turned a 1:27.8 in practice. Although that's a modest number in this crowd, it's nonetheless only half a second off my PB from 17 years ago and a LOT better than I'd been doing in the two-week run-up to this race. Naturally I began to have delusions of grandeur, something that any reputable psychiatrist is sure to tell you to avoid on the eve of an automobile race. Somehow I calmed myself down, qualified in the back of the pack with a 1:28.something, and awaited the all-but-certain mayhem that seems to be part and parcel of the first lap of all too many GPL races.

Ronnie Nilsson, one of my confreres in oAo, was gridded just behind me. He too was in a Cooper. I dogged it a bit at the drop of the flag, half-expecting total carnage in the first turn, and Ronnie slid past me. I waved. The guy behind Ronnie next appeared and I let him by as well. Curtis showed up as we closed in on T1, and I waved him through. In my mirror I could see a couple of other drivers, Locarno and Turner, waiting for their free passes, so after we made the left hairpin at the hay bales and headed uphill, I let them through too. All in all I considered it a reasonably successful start, having lost five places in 500 yards and dropping from 12th to dead last, but at least I wouldn't be caught up in the disaster that I was certain was waiting up the road.

And, of course, disaster there was in abundance beginning just beyond the crest of the hill and continuing through the uphill right-hander as well. Through my unusually clever strategy I'd managed to regain all the places I'd lost in the first 500 yards within the second 500 yards and all would have been well but for two tiny problems: 1) the guys I'd smacked in qualifying were now in front of me and 2) the guys who'd kicked my butt in qualifying were now behind me and highly irritated. Oops.

Well, it's Zandvoort. If you can stay on the track more often than not, the fates are bound to smile upon you. And so they did. I smiled back, though I admit that I may have to reconsider my starting grid maneuvers. I'm not sure that what I've been doing is what Fangio, Clark, and Senna would have recommended.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Walter Conn on March 13, 2017, 03:02:54 AM +0000
Pepe,  I wondered to myself if I should have used a similar strategy. I could not resist pushing hard, and chasing faster lap times. Unfortunately, I lost at least ten seconds each time that I went off track. Maybe I'll remember this lesson next time.  


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: bagrupp on March 13, 2017, 09:19:18 AM +0000


In the ensuing aftermath I was hit by Bastian (But not his fault as the only reason he took to the grass in the 1st place was I guess to avoid the carnage) and ended up on my roof so had to wait for most of the field to pass before taking my Shift r and rejoining. Took the S&G at the end of the lap and left the pits in around 15th place.


It was a complete disaster. I'm not very good in doing decisions in a second or less. I was seeing the first carnage and decided to get on the green, trying to hold the car stable but than i hit you. it wasn't probably the best decisions but else i would have hit Rainier. the following more and mor cars crashed into us. I was recovering but than failing more and more. I overbreaked T1 and put a car in the grass. I will report that after viewing the replay (i thought it was billy) sorry. Many spins followed and when I tried to overtake francesce i got a wheel on the green under breaking and spun towards outside track. Sorry for that fear moment.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: francesco on March 13, 2017, 10:10:44 AM +0000
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Many spins followed and when I tried to overtake francesce i got a wheel on the green under breaking and spun towards outside track. Sorry for that fear moment.
   
N.P these are the race.I was able to avoid you but not the green after.In this way i have lost some position.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Michael Turner on March 13, 2017, 11:10:00 AM +0000
I missed out on qualifying as I kept getting the  'You are not qualified to drive in this race' message. Apparently this was because I had not ticked the  'PatchCarset for sound' box in GEM as I discovered with a couple of minutes to spare.
I'm not sure why this was necessary as I'm pretty sure that I've raced without that being ticked on previous occasions but I have been moving the GPL folder around after installing another SSD so maybe that had changed the settings somehow.
Anyway I was glad not to miss a race at my favourite track in my favourite car - those fast, sweeping bends being a refreshing change after the Start Stop of Monaco.

Accustomed as I am to starting on the back row, I was not disadvantaged by the lack of a qualifying time and indeed, and not unexpectedly , it turned out to be the safest place. What was unexpected was Pepe doffing his cap to let the backmarkers through.
Unfortunately such gentlemanly behaviour was not replicated by the others ahead of me.

Like Walter I found myself losing grip after the halfway mark although tyre temperatures were not excessive. Must have been oil on the track following the earlier pileups and a couple of minor offs ensued.
I eased off a bit which allowed Walter to suddenly appear in my mirrors so the last lap was a bit tense but the pace of the Ferrari kept me ahead.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Gareth on March 13, 2017, 03:33:00 PM +0000
Grats to podium!
cant complain at 4th, far better than my pace here deserved.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: fpolicardi on March 13, 2017, 08:59:47 PM +0000
Well, a rather intense race! In the end I was all wet for the effort. Zandvoort is a track where you can't relax even on the straight.
I found myself in pole at half qualy and relaxed a bit, but then Axel and Andy did better and I couldn't do better.
I started very cautious to not press Andy at T1, but then he had a moment at T2 before the hairpin and I didn't want to attack him so early on cold tires so I rested behind him around the hairpin on the outside. This gave John the chance to close on me and have a run on me uphill, sincerely I didn't expect a pass there so I kept my line and we tangled. Luckily I spun on the track without anyone crashing on me while John could continue straight only to be fired by Bastian cutting the grass on the next turn, as i found it watching server replay cause my replay started soon after the big pile up that followed.
I had set replay memory for 36fps but with 60fps wasn't enough for a 50 min. race.
After have done some lawn moving I restarted dead last but I gained some position passing some cars involved in the pile up so I found myself in 12th behind Phil and Bird battling, but on last turn they crashed and took me with them so two cars passed me. Luckily I restarted without damage and focused to the track trying to gain some positions for other mistakes. This happened but I won also some good battles for position. The more difficult to pass was Michael's Ferrari that leaved me in the dust on the straight lap after lap, so I had to wait for a little moment outside last turn and drag him along the straight and outbraking him inside at T1. Also Gareth BRM was fast on straight but I managed to pass him in the end.
Grats to Andy for a solid win keeping the beast on the track :-)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Ronnie Nilsson on March 13, 2017, 09:45:37 PM +0000
What a difficult track. I was running 3 seconds slower than my best time (10 years ago!). During my practising, every time I pushed, I came off.  So, I decided not to push during the race. I started 13th, picked my way through the field as people slid off, working my way up to 8th. Pepe and Walter appeared in my mirrors, but were unable to apply concerted pressure. Near the end, Rainier overtook me, so I finished 9th.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on March 14, 2017, 07:13:34 AM +0000
Sounds like just about everyone had some action on this fantastic track. It was a shame about the lap one incident but it did played big part in 3rd place. Had some good battles along the way & found myself running in P2 for many laps. At one point the gap to Andy was down to 5 secs, when I had a huge spin across the sand dunes. Fulvio  & Gareth nipped past but Gareth span a couple of laps later. Grats to Andy for keeping the BRM under control.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Robert Fleurke on March 14, 2017, 06:34:15 PM +0000
Grats Andy, my man! Steady wins it, and you're one of the most consistent at UKGPL. One of those softly spoken nice guys that deserve succes! Winning in the green whale is always superb :)

Watch for Pepe in the future guys, he might drop out of the sky suddenly with 45/60/1 ramp angles and a wheel in his hands...(inside joke)  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: AndyL on March 15, 2017, 10:18:31 AM +0000
Thank you Robert. It's good to see you still pushing your rank. Under -350 now for the monster!
Zandvoort seems to suit my approach as much as any track. Slow in fast out is important. Driving aggressively here is heavily punished. A kerb bump or wheel on the grass/sand can result in a long trip through the dunes.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: Samb on April 20, 2017, 08:53:20 PM +0100
Mod report published. Apologies for the delay.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Privateers (67) - Zandvoort - Mar 12
Post by: bagrupp on April 21, 2017, 12:52:05 PM +0100
thx for the reko