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Title: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Phil Thornton on March 12, 2017, 10:13:21 PM +0000
Season 31 Historic Trophy – Round 4 - Spa`67

Welcome to the fourth round of the Historic Trophy at Spa67, the classic track with new layout for GPL. This is the long awaited update to the Papy original. Perhaps THE classic Grand Prix circuit, the original triangular shaped course was designed in 1920 by Jules de Their and Henri Langlois Van Ophem. It used public roads between the towns of Spa, Malmedy and Stavelot.  The course was extremely fast and was made even faster in 1939 with the introduction of the famous Eau Rouge section.  The circuit was completely revised and shortened for the 1981 Belgian Grand Prix but it is the classic 60's 8.761 mile version of the track that we will use for this race.

This version of the circuit was used between 1946 and 1970 and corners like Eau Rouge, Burnenville and particularly Masta presented the drivers with exceptional challenges. Due to the combination of high speed, length and lack of any possible run off, the circuit was very dangerous and claimed the lives of many drivers.

This race is for cars with 3 Litre engines.

Race ListIGOR
Server = UKGPL_4 (TBC)
IP Address = look at IGOR
Race date = 19-03-2017
GPL mod = 66F1
Variant = 3 Litre
60fps patch used = 60fpsV2newmod
Track = Spa`67 (http://srmz.net/index.php?s=448c71de31d5af327ee46f7dfc1fde15&showtopic=10443)
Qualification = 20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race = race starts at ~21:30 UK time
Race length = ~50 min -> 13 laps
Damage Model = PRO
Replay = here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season31/Historics)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists and divisional rules can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=591&theme=6)

Only reported incidents will be moderated, there is no Red Zone.

The traditional Historics handicapping system will be used for this season with the drivers leading the championship being limited to the slower chassis.

Drivers limited to the Group I cars (Mclaren M2B Ford or T1G Eagle Weslake) are:
Iestyn Davies and Samb

Drivers limited to the Group I or Group II cars (Mclaren M2B Ford, T1G Eagle Weslake, BRM P83 or Lotus 43 BRM) are:
Lalethor and Doni Yourth

All other drivers have a free choice.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Phil Thornton on March 19, 2017, 03:26:08 PM +0000
Practice server is up.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Syd Drake on March 19, 2017, 09:38:25 PM +0000
Well that was a short lived farce.
I think only one car (pole sitter?) got the green button for the start. A little after the start the rest of us got the green button to start from the pits. I clicked on the green and got hit before the screen got to the cockpit. Race over before it even started. Not that I think this should count as an official race.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Alessandro Isacchini on March 19, 2017, 09:42:19 PM +0000
No green button and when it compared I am start from box.. practice again?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: b_1_rd on March 19, 2017, 09:42:43 PM +0000
I'd love to say it was the start that messed me up too, but I ended up clipping the wall on the exit from Mastra, something I hadn't done in the many practice laps I'd done.  Just a bit frustrating as I wanted to make the finish on this one.

Never mind, it probably wont count anyway.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Alessandro Isacchini on March 19, 2017, 09:44:28 PM +0000
edit: I m exit and now I see that other guys it's in race
Good race all and see you next


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: EvilClive on March 19, 2017, 09:46:34 PM +0000
I think there was either a technical glitch or it was a cunning plan by the pole sitter  ;) At least the leader got through Eau Rouge without incident!!

The start from the pits for everyone else was a total lottery. Sorry to hear that you were knocked out that quickly Syd, I received a "love tap" from someone in the mayhem that re arranged my steering geometry. That was something that I only discovered through Borneville and fully experienced at Stavelot when I really wanted to lean on the front left tyre.....it did not respond well!! Hit the concrete wall and race was over.

watched the field through on the first lap to see who was still running and everyone whose pit stall was infront of the S/F line was showing a lap down!!  This will take some sorting out by the mods I think.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on March 19, 2017, 09:48:22 PM +0000
Sincere apology to the Honda. I thought I had braked extra early for Stavelot. Realised that traffic had was slowing more than I expected. I steered into the verge to avoid everyone but hit the kerb & bounced back into the Honda.
Not sure if this is false start due to green button issues. If not I will report.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Samb on March 19, 2017, 10:05:37 PM +0000
Indeed that start was an exciting one. Maybe that's what the Le Mans of old felt like on the grid  ;D.

I've never experienced that issue before, but it did make for some interesting racing. After that my race was a lonely one, until I had a screen freeze half-way through.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: AndyL on March 19, 2017, 10:41:03 PM +0000
I received a "love tap" from someone in the mayhem that re arranged my steering geometry.

That was me Clive. I was leaving my pit stall when you spawned right in front of me. I guess that happened throughout the pit stalls. I did get away quickly behind Bastian and Andreas and I thought that my luck was in. Their battle was hairy and didn't look like it was going to last long. Doni was behind me and then there was a gap. We were all taking our time, but for me, the FPS were bad all over the place. It was hard work and I let Doni by for some free space. Soon after I was off the track and doing a ridiculous barrel roll. I had to go and count them in my replay - ten times back onto my wheels until I hit the edge of Spa World and then another roll back. Amazingly I could just drive away back to the track with only a couple of positions lost.  Mechanical report says just minor and medium problems with right front. A few laps later I had a terminal crash and there weren't many still running then.

I think it need to be replayed.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Phil Thornton on March 19, 2017, 11:50:38 PM +0000
I've corrected the race results to account for those drivers with pit stalls that were in front of the start line and hence did not have the start of lap 1 registered with the lap counter.

A very odd start to the race, thankfully there is no pit wall at Spa so most people had a clean getaway.  I think only Evil and Syd were badly affected.  We don't normally do re-runs for mass discos etc but this was a strange one. 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: bagrupp on March 20, 2017, 09:17:38 AM +0000
that was a scandal :) ecclestones revenge on F1. We need a re-run


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: EvilClive on March 20, 2017, 09:20:46 AM +0000
No worries Andy.

 It could have been anyone in that chaos, with cars spawning and trying to get away. Plenty of ducking and diving in response to what happened ahead and around.
Actually it appears that it was only Syd and myself that suffered any damage, which is quite remarkable when there was 18 cars materialising from thin air and trying to get out of the pits at the same time.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Doni Yourth on March 20, 2017, 02:42:10 PM +0000
Well that's one for the books, eh, boys?   :laugh:  Never in all my days of GPLand have I witnessed the situation presented us for the start.  All but one, it seems, had no green button to join the grid.  Only Axel had the privilege.  Realizing that something had gone seriously wrong, I opened the chat box to see many claiming that they, too, had no button.  I chatted, 'WAIT' and hoped that everyone realized that there was a chance to join once the grid...however small...had been flagged away.  It seems that most everyone struck the button at more or less the same time as cars dropped into their stalls rapidly.  I took off as quickly as I could veering out of the stall area knowing that at any instant, someone could appear directly in my path.  Got lucky there.  Clive and Syd not so.  Bad luck, gys.  It was at least a thrill to finally have a 'LeMans start' as per Sam's noting above.  :)

My pit board was giving me bogus information for the duration as I started down-track of the S/F line.  I realized this but kept a cool head believing that things would be sorted out post-race.

I managed to slot in behind Andy's Ferrari for the first lap but he kindly seemed to give me a wave-by on Lap02.  TY.  Then Bastian got it wrong coming up to La Source crashing mightily and biffing my Lotus.  Lucky to have the car seem undamaged and pointing the right way.  Not for the first time by any means there then ensued a ripper of a battle with Andreas in the Cooper-Maser.  For a good 10 laps, we exchanged the position with slip-streaming and counter-slip-streaming.  All very proper and decent and respectful of each other but very tense all the same.  Not being entirely sure when we would see the checker, I endeavoured to have the lead as we reached the S/F line.  The extra bhp of the H-16 BRM powerplant was a telling factor as I seemed to be able to pass going up the hill towards Blanchimont whereas all Andreas could manage was to level-peg it.  Still, it was in considerable doubt right up to the end.  I breathed a sigh of relief when I finally saw the checker just a tick ahead of AG.  PHEW!  Great drive and battle, Andreas!  :)

Should the result stand?  Why, of course!  To be sure, the event was an anomaly but I don't think that anyone sat at their terminal with someone holding a gun to their head forcing them to push that green button once it appeared however late.  :)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: francesco on March 20, 2017, 05:18:07 PM +0000
Taking into account the anomaly,this race  should be annulled IMO.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Alessandro Isacchini on March 20, 2017, 05:48:02 PM +0000
After green button and "start" to the box I have thought that not was a race but practice again, I don't understood what to do, so I drive but with no concentration and in fact at the exit of eau rouge I kissed a tree  :D
but no problem now we restart so i press esc.. ok now we restart.. ok now... ops
If mods say that race is valid and is not to delete from champs it's ok, archivied like strange event and go to the next race  :laugh:



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Phil Thornton on March 20, 2017, 07:15:48 PM +0000
After I crashed out on lap 2, falling prey to the flypaper disguised as grass which lines this demanding and treacherous circuit, I stayed on to watch the fun.  One by one drivers succumbed to the scenery. Most notably, Andy L and Tristan who both crashed at exactly the same point on the run-in to Les Combes, both catching the same piece of kerb and being catapulted into the trees by the flypaper within seconds of each other.  I settled down to watch Doni and Andreas battle it out, fully expecting one or both of them to end up in the vegetation. How Doni kept it on the tarmac and off the flypaper I don't know, he danced on the kerbs numerous times but never overstepped the mark. A quite brilliant drive.

Unfortunately Doni's magnificent effort is going to have to go down in UKGPL history as a non-championship podium.  The Mod team have looked at the unprecedented "Le Mans" start and the views of the majority of drivers and concluded the race should be re-run.

The date of the re-run will probably be sometime in July, i.e. at the end of the season.

Apologies to everyone concerned, especially to the drivers who managed to finish such a gruelling race. 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: fpolicardi on March 20, 2017, 07:27:00 PM +0000
Ok to rerun this strange race. I was lucky to finish the race without an off, very demanding track and more difficult than Papy version IMO. I had a nice battle with D.Rainier for half distance till he disappeared at La Source, disco?
Now I have a week to sort out the low fps at S/F straight even with Lite ver. and Low res. textures before 67 race.
Axel do you have any suggest? Win10, I5 + HD5770 + V2DX raster.
Ciao


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Cookie on March 20, 2017, 09:21:08 PM +0000
Fulvio, you must use openGLV2! works way better.
CCC 15.7.1 is best for the 5770 but I have no idea about W10 ::)
I have my ATI settings not present atm.
Make shure the "disable intel speedstep" is checked in GEM+ settings!

Yes a re-run is fine as I had no race too...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: MagicArsouille on March 21, 2017, 12:18:51 AM +0000
ok for a rerun...I anderstand ( late ) that the green button was back, but I start last I think.......


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: francesco on March 21, 2017, 08:04:49 AM +0000
Quote
Make shure the "disable intel speedstep" is checked in GEM+ settings!
Also with Windows7?I use OpenGL


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: AndyL on March 21, 2017, 11:25:52 AM +0000
Now I have a week to sort out the low fps at S/F straight even with Lite ver. and Low res. textures before 67 race.

Fulvio, I struggled with low FPS here, but not at any other track. I tried Lite and low res, but still not good. I too use Win10 with an i5, but OGLv2.
I did a short experiment... turn off antialiasing (normally mine is 16x).... and I have 60 FPS everywhere. Maybe 2x, 4x, 8x will improve it enough too.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Cookie on March 21, 2017, 12:12:24 PM +0000
As long as you have any intel CPU disable intel speedstep!
W7 is the same for the CPU, only less spyware...

All I can recommend to find the bottleneck of your system: use the Open Hardware Monitor plot and look after a GPL session

Make shure the CPU is in full speed and the GPU is in 3D mode ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: fpolicardi on March 24, 2017, 11:41:59 PM +0000
Thank you all for support, I have tried OpenGLV2 and it works good, 60 fps everywhere. Now I have to sort the Pribluda inverted font  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Cookie on March 25, 2017, 06:52:41 PM +0000
If you use OpenGL at 1920x1080 resolution I can post my pribluda files to get this:


(https://picload.org/image/rlwrgdlr/gplc662017-03-1815-10-34-67-1..jpg)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: fpolicardi on March 25, 2017, 10:31:12 PM +0000
Thank you Axel, it would be much appreciated  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Cookie on March 25, 2017, 11:42:44 PM +0000
Just put these files into your GPL folder
then use the exe to erase the old version and to install this version,
then you must make new GPLxx.exe's with GEM...

https://www.sendspace.com/file/tgflq9


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: fpolicardi on March 26, 2017, 08:08:41 PM +0100
Just put these files into your GPL folder
then use the exe to erase the old version and to install this version,
then you must make new GPLxx.exe's with GEM...

https://www.sendspace.com/file/tgflq9
Thanks Axel


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66) - Spa - Mar 19
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on March 28, 2017, 07:18:13 AM +0100
Cookie, thanks for posting your Prib files. After the last Windows upgrade I have only be able to get OpenGLv1 working, but only for the older mods
 Everything is back now - despite Microsoft's best efforts to screw things up.