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In lieu of a new championship series starting late April/beginning of May, interested to hear what the majority would like to race.
We have new gt3 cars in the mix with the exciting f458 and RSR joining the already great car line up.
 But we also finally have 3 Grp C cars to pitch against each other. If the BoP is out we can maybe add some ballast to any clear lead car type.
Or we could run a single spec series using one car type...porsche 962 springs to mind as it is a fantastic car to race with and has a great set of custom historic skins available.
Group C races would be an hour long for majority but might splash a longer event or two in it if possible, not sure yet.
A trackday car series was tempting to add but truth is I just don't have the time to test enough.

So anyway, just vote and post comments/thoughts below  :)

GT3 for me, the Group C's are just too different to get them the same.

I prefer road cars, but I know I'm quite alone in that  :P

Yep, GT3 for me as well.

group C for me any day!

im sure we can bop them reasonably similar.

Group C's for me. Proper race cars these and there are ways of balancing the championship a bit.

Group C or road cars, only my input.

Dont forget that whilst one grp C car may have a speed advantage at some tracks that same car may be a complete handful on a twistier circuit. I would expect drivers to stick with their car choice for the series so no hopping Into perceived race winners at each track. Problem is as I'm away I can't do any testing so if any of you guys with spare time can run some legit tests at a variety of tracks that would give me good feedback. Can pm it if would rather keep your times to yourself.

my vote goes for GT3's

How is that fun? That way you fight on paper and not on track. Each car need to be competitive on all tracks,  or else it's just boring.

Eh? That's the real world of racing! If you make a slippy car that's great on straight line low df circuits then you expect to take a hit on twisty tracks! Or vise Verda  :P ..just ask red bull or Williams  ;)
I'm not convinced the c9 will fit at all personally but nice to be proved wrong  :)

Votes 6-5 in favour of gt3 so far anyway. I'm happy with either but love be the idea of a great grp C or 962 series

I'll take the C9 if no-one else does, found a couple of decent and 'fixed' skins for it recently - If I'm honest I'll take any of the choices if they're under-represented just to ensure a decent grid. Don't think any of them aren't fun to race..

I also fail to see the point in a championship that allows cherry picking of cars per race, completly removes the point of the competition if the track choices are suitably balanced

Totallg agree, should be one car per champiobship wifh maybe one change allowed after the first race. Its not like theres not enough chance to test the cars.

Maybe do a "fun" race beforehand to have everyone test the cars and see how any balancing works out.

I just tried them out at Montreal 88 and Monza 88, forgot how much tracks have changed since then  :o far more colourful advertising back then! Only thing I didn't like is the high kerbs, don't know if anyone has modded them better?
Watching and hearing these cars in the replay gave me goosebumps  8)

Paul Ricard and Adelaide are amazing Mark.

Yeah saw the screen shots for Adelaide and looked impressive  8)

Nice tie so far, just what you want in a poll  ;D

If we use the classic tracks then my vote would change to Grp C  ;D

Well i can only assume we have no choice but to run the GT3's right after the Gr. C cars then. ;)

This '88 track pack looks good. There are 10 tracks, but i don't know if all of them fit the Gr. C cars that well. Maybe to replace one or two of them?

Found out its part of an even bigger pack
http://assettocorsa.club/mods/tracks/grand-prix-1988.html#en

Not sure if this is just an older version and the other link is an improved one of those tracks, haven't had time to test them.

Ooh that has Suzuka, Spa and Mexico in it too  8)

Just tried Spa and its ace. Suzuka is ok and not tried Mexico yet.

Great. These tracks seem more appropriate. Still have to take into account the fast vs twisty tracks.

I would hope that we would at least use Spa, Paul Ricard, Adelaide and Montreal.

i could really do with some feedback from a variety of drivers on laptimes they can do in each car at a mix of tracks, otherwise we will not know the whole picture before committing to anything.
A diverse 3 tracks could be a ultra fast one like Spa/Monza, fast but twisty like Mugello/Brands hatch, and a tighter track like Adelaide/Imola.

So get some laps in  ;D  remember I am not about for 2-3 weeks now so I cant do any testing and that may delay starting a new series. I don't know about you guys but I am already sorely missing that weekly competitive vibe from a proper series!

this pack appears to have newer versions than the one you first linked too, ie Adelaide is now 1.3, it was 1.2 in the first.   :)

Pick 1 track for testing. Once some people have done some laps,  pick the next track, or else it will be hard to overview.

Spa would be a good first track, after the fun race last month many of our regulars should at least have 962 times for both variants.

Well that was Spa modern but times were 2:12 to 2:15's in the 962's.

Group C 1982 WEC series:-

1.     Autodromo Nazionale Monza   18 April
2   United Kingdom The Pace Petroleum 6 Hours   Silverstone Circuit   16 May
3   Germany Rudolf Caracciola Wanderpreis 1000 Kilometres   Nürburgring   30 May
4   France 24 Hours of Le Mans   Circuit de la Sarthe   19 June/20 June
5   Belgium Trophee Diners Club 1000 Kilometres   Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps   5 September
6   Italy Trofeo Banca Toscana 1000 Kilometres†   Mugello Circuit   19 September
7   Japan WEC in Japan (6 Hours)†   Fuji Speedway   3 October
8   United Kingdom Shell Oils 1000 Kilometres† Brands Hatch

So I guess any of them will do for starters for lap times but otherwise the tracks I suggested a few posts earlier for variety. I don't even know if Grp c is say practical at Adelaide  :-\

1983 series

1              Autodromo Nazionale Monza   10 April
2   2   United Kingdom Grand Prix International 1000 km   Silverstone Circuit   8 May
3   3   Germany Bitburger Pilsner ADAC 1000 km   Nürburgring   29 May
4   4   France 24 Hours of Le Mans   Circuit de la Sarthe 18 June19 June
5   5   Belgium Trophee Diners Club 1000 km   Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps September
-   6   United Kingdom Grand Prix International Magazine 1000 km   Brands Hatch   European   September
6   -   Japan Mount Fuji 1000 km   Fuji Speedway   World   2 October
-   7   Italy 1000 km Imola   Autodromo Enzo Ferrari   European   16 October
-   8   Italy 1000 km Mugello   Mugello Circuit   European   23 October
7   -   South Africa Castrol 1000 km Kyalami   Kyalami   World   10 December

Out of all the tracks I tested, Adelaide was the most enjoyable followed by Paul Ricard ao I would say yes to Adelaide for the Grp C cars.

1988 series

Races                                   Circuit
1.  800 km Jerez                    Circuito Permanente de Jerez
2.  360 km Jarama                 Circuito Permanente Del Jarama
3.  1000km Monza                   Autodromo Nazionale Monza
4.  1000 km Silverstone          Silverstone Circuit
5.  24 Hours of Le Mans            Circuit de la Sarthe
6.  Grand Prix ČSSR Autodrom        Brno
7.  1000 km Brands Hatch           Brands Hatch
8.  ADAC 1000km Nürburgring      Nürburgring
9.  1000km Spa                         Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
10.  Fuji 1000 km                      Fuji Speedway   
11.  Lucas Supersprint               Sandown Park   

I can see Aidelaide as a good substitute for Sandown. And Suzuka instead of Fuji?
Paul Ricard for LeMans? Think of another place holder for Jarama. And i know there is a version of the Brno track out there, just don't know about the quality.
Something like this...

AC updated, v1.13.2.

http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/assetto-corsa-v1-13-update-available.43929/#post-859213

Did a little test to try out Adelaide abit and drove those 4 cars

C9 was quickest with 1:31.7 and the hardest aswell. A real beast to drive so it took me quite a few laps to get the hang of the car. Kinda like it though  ;D Surprisingly agile in the slower corners
787B was second with a 1:32.3. Probably more in it so it should be the quickest around here.
The 962 shorttail did it in 1:32.6. The most stable of them all, quite easy to drive compared to the other cars.
The longtail I gave up after a 1:34 something. That stupid differential is terrible on this track  ;D  Could be abit quicker probably but needs some tuning.

I'll see if I have the time to try out Montreal or something fast to see how they compare.

Well done Maikel that's the kind of feedback I was after  :thumbup1:

Are you using default or downloaded setups? 

Could do with a 'mortal' drivers times too for benchmarks  ;)

I just quickly modified a few things about the setups, mostly gearing, wing and, besides the 962's, differential. Only with the C9 I did abit more cuz I wanted to get atleast 1 good lap in ( which took me about 15 laps   ;D )

Make next week's race on adelaide with all 4 cars and use normal race distance which will be used during the champioship.

Sounds like a good idea  :thumbup1:

Oh yeah get some good practise and track time in without me why don't you  :laugh:

That's the idea  ;D

Just watching the Blancpain GT race at misano and its hard not to reminisce back to our GT3 series.


Sounds like this thread has already decided whats going on.

Haha I'm doing the same and thinking about the GT3 series :)

Yeah, I think GT3 will be a lot better, but I am in the minority here  :(

I think we should possibly run a mini Grp C championship, something like 4 or 5 races. If its popular then it can be extend like the Porsche Cup. Then run a 10 round GT3 championship.

heh, similar vibe for me on the GT3 series as I think the Blancpain was one of the best AC series we've had on here, except the Porsche cup for great racing  :thumbup1:

In an ideal world I would run a separate Historics racing night to use all the great content we have but just don't think i'd get enough racers for two nights a week and its already tough enough to find enough time to practise for one championship race a week. An hour long endurance on a sunday would be cool.

A new Blancpain series will happen soon but I really would like to get a Grp C series going in one way or another first. They are just such cool race cars. 8)

I'm just in the process of updating the server with the last AC update and the Adelaide '88 track. I see it only supports 22 pit boxes, has anyone checked the other tracks from the pack? I'd hate to see us trying to use a track with insufficient space for all the entrants!

^ This

While I like the cars from the group C, it's going to be more of a struggle with the car then some close battling the GT3's provide. As a reference I found that the Lotus 98T was easier to drive then most group C cars around Adelaide ( I'm looking at you Mercedes C9  ;D )

We'll just see how Wednesday plays out  8)

i just tried all 3 cars at Adelaide and set an equal time with all 3  :o admittedly a few secs shy of Maikel as I just ran default setups and did 10 laps in each but I was surprised how even they seemed. They seem to have tamed the beast somewhat in the C9 too, as I found it much easier to hussle around than I expected. It used to be a right b*stard to drive  ;D
Pretty sure I would find them trickier if I really started to push for those extra tenths but I like cars that are driveable from the off that you can then tweak the setup further.  :)

I wouldn't have thought of running a street circuit for this series but have to say they suit Adelaide pretty well and its a nicely done track except for that nasty bump down into T1 chicane. Though the irony isn't lost on me that we pick a tight circuit to test Grp C cars  :P We definitely need a speed test at somewhere quick like Paul Ricard or Monza for comparison.

The Porsche is actually the least exciting to drive of the 3, the other two sound epic from the cockpit. Don't know how many of you run triple screens but they look mighty fine with this cockpit view  8)  watching 4 abreast go down the straight in replay mode is fantastic  :tt1:

Re the pitboxes, surely 22 is enough? I know we touched on 25 for the Porsche cup but be surprised if I could repeat that with more niche historic racing.

On a sample of 1 there are 'only' 22 boxes. No idea what any of the other proposed tracks have. We've fallen foul of this before so I was just pointing out it should be checked.

Test part 2 at Paul Ricard

Quickest this time around was the shorttail with a 1:19.3. Again seems the most stable and easiest. About on par with the 787b for top speed (+- 280 )
Second the Longtail with a 1:19.9 on 70% boost. Top speed was slightly faster then the shorttail and around 300 with a 100% boost.
Third was the C9 with a 1:20,3 using 60% boost. Car was managable around here. Insane top speed, even at 60% boost I was getting about 305 km/h!!
Last the 787b with a 1:20.7. Should probably be alitlle bit more in it but it does seem lacking in power on the straights ( around 275 )

Then I gave the C9 a go with 100% boost and did a 1:17.6 with a top speed of about 325 km/h  :o
No idea how long that engine will last though ( was running with damage off )

Nice work Maikel  :)

It seems to vary greatly per track. .. . ..

Montrael has 28
Estoril 25
Detroit 24
Imola, Adelaide and Jerez 22
Paul Ricard and Monza 21
Mexico 20
And Silverstone only 16

Those are the one I've installed so far.

Tried all 4 cars for a few laps at Adelaide. All default setup with shorter gears, correct tyre pressures, medium tyres, more wing, 60l of fuel and boost on 70% where applicable/

Times wise they are quite close, but the mercedes shouldn't be competitive here, but it still is. It's by far the hardest to drive, but with the top speed bonus and not even full boost, it will be almost impossible to pass that thing.
Mazda felt really slow, but i guess it wins a lot of time in the corners.
The Porsches felt quite the same and the ST was a bit bland.

All times have room for improvement as they were just benchmarks, but I just can't see the Mercedes getting slowed down in a proper fashion to make it less overpowered. Slapping on a lot of weight will just make the car a dog to drive. Bit like the Marcos was in GTR2, can't turn, but goes like a rocket.

Been testing the cars at the different tracks and the track that seem the best are,

1. Paul Ricard 88
2. Estoril 88
3. Jacarepagua 88 (amazing in these cars)
4. Spa 88
5. Imola 88

Bonus round: Adelaide 88

Those sound good to me. Not too many tracks favouring the outright power of the Merc.

However i would love to see the Brno or Suzuka track in this list though.

Ooooh, I don't have the Brno track. It wasn't in my pack.

Suzuka I found pretty average in places so left it out. Happy to run it though :)

Finding all cars a handful, will keep out of the way tonight. :-[

Ehhm, yup. Not the easiest of tracks to race these monsters.

Just back from my hols, what was the general consensus on the grp C cars? Now that you have raced them once or twice.Can we run a viable series with them?

Very few seem keen based on the turn outs.
I think they'll balance up over race distance as the Merc's power advantage is killed by it's hunger for tires.
The Mazda's seem the best balanced and strongest but that may be because Jeffers was driving one!

I'd race but am worried you'd have a sub 10 car grid.  :(

They don't really interest me I'm afraid. Just didn't find them enjoyable, interesting or very exciting, especially when we have so many other grest cars and tracks to choose.

Only managed the one race but liked them, suspect I'm in the minority.

Seemed impopular during testing and will be impossible to properly balance out.

Maybe so, but that was also due to it being a fun race imo. Rarely +10 car grids.

And these cars demand a fair bit of practice and setup, so driving them on a non-standard track for a one off race is not gonna get you a lot of drivers anyway.
I do too think racing them over more laps it already is a bit of an equalizer. Add some 35-40 kg to the Merc. Get a mix of fast vs twisty tracks and it could get fun.

Might be tempted into some Group C action but can't guarantee I'll be around for every race these days.

I think the group c are only viable as single car races. As an option, you can take the physics of the best car, either the short tail or mazda and put them in the other cars, as some sort of league version. That way you can have different looking cars that are still all competitive and the same.

Hmm tricky decision then  :-\  I can see grid numbers were low to very low but it was over Easter spell when many are away and they were infill fun races. But did notice a few old faces have shown an interest too. Bit in-conclusive really.

So, I'm un decided whether to push ahead with group C or take the hint that it's grids will not be big  :-\ or run the popular Blancpain gt3 series 2017  :)
To me it's win win as I love both and with the real series now 2 rounds in, it grabs interest.

Regarding group C, If the Sauber is so much better than the other two we could either give it ballast or drop it from the choice. Races would be 1hr long so a pitstop would be required.
The poll vote went 8-6 in favour of Grp C but that may have changed since two test races? I could delay Grp c to another time  :-\

I stand by my opinion, group c is only possible as single make. The sauber didn't win, so it's  not that easy to decide which car needs to be slowed down. And with the difference so big,  the balancing needs to take extreme proportions.

Maybe we need to do a new poll too see how much interest there still is for Group C and other possible series?

Done  :)

(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/Blancpain-GT-Series-Asia-003_zpsmvwb6uzo.jpg) (http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/MJ_p911/media/Blancpain-GT-Series-Asia-003_zpsmvwb6uzo.jpg.html)

 :drool:

Woohoo  :clap: :jumpjoy:

We including pitstops?

For the endurance rounds yes  :)

 :o Oooh nice, that's fast. Now for the hard part...which car  ???

That's what I'm thinking, take the Nissan again or try the Audi as it just sounds so nice :)

I'm thinking of the lamborghini or BMW. The mercs are terrible, de 650 is still the fastest and I've done the Nissan already. Haven't tried the audi yet, so that might also be an option. Choices, choices  ;D

I will be championing the shiny new Porsche as at last I have one to race in the gt3 series   8). Do love the Lambo too though  :)

Any of you guys know if a Zolder has been modded yet for AC? I think Misano has been updated too as we used an early version last time. Both tracks feature in the 2017 real series. Though if Misano is still a bit pants I might sub mugello in for it as it's a better circuit anyway.

Yeah, Misano was horrible so if it still looks pants then Mugello would be nice :)

Now you've got my attention! Havent driven AC for ages, my focus has been on Iracing GT3 races so will be interesting to run both at same time!

After last time, Lambo was fun but took a long time to get on top of it, Audi felt a little underpowered and need some effort to put the times in. Werent they planning on releasing the latest version of the Audi?

Ah, forgot about the Porsche! Nice long weekend to practise, good!

Other breaking news of the day, scientists found out that water is wet  ;D


There are some conversions of Zolder according to google, but not sure how good or usable they are.
Misano was a bit blant, but other than that it was okay-ish.

Well, that's 1 win for Maikel then already  :D

GT3's at Mugello's... Yes  8)

I'm thinking about picking either the Nissan or the Lambo, already did the bmw and the Merc, Ferrari and the 650 seem to fast, hate the sound of the audi and I've been racing Porsches non stop for the past few months it feels like ;D

I'm tempted the Nissan purely for a GT500 skin I found recently  8)

Mark, how about this for an idea.

Rather than running a test race the week before where you can technically only run one car on the night, setup a track day server at Nurburg Tourist the Wednesday before the first race like one of the many online servers doing the same. That way people can drop in and out and test the various cars. These events are great fun and you still get some racing and people wait for each other. I join these type of servers a couple of times a week and they are such fun and will allow people to test all the cars in a live online environment with other competitors but pressure free.

What you think?

Due to delays in starting a new series I wasn't actually going to run a test race this time as we all know the cars quite well by now. I was just going to let people decide their car offline and let me know their choices.

Upto you guys, can run one first if you like  :-\

Only test race when you plan to use an untested mod track.

Hello chaps. I hope to be able to join some of the champ races, but I don't find a list of the car available for this champ, so somoene of you can kindly provide it?
I must choose my car before the champ starts?
Thank you in advance :)

See you

Hi Manteos, glad you will be joining us for the series  :) the last one was fiercely competitive and great fun 8)

Any GT3 class racecar is allowed for the series, but I will be eliminating the older Merc SLS and the McLaren MP4-12 as they have both been replaced with the newer variants (AMG & 650).  Sadly don't think we will be able to have the Bentley running this time as its become out of date since the various patch updates and new tyre models.  :'( Was really hoping Kunos would release a proper one by now or a properly updated mod.

I will need everybodys car choice and skin selection for the new series but wait until I start the new Championship series thread.

Points proposal ( based on some wanting the points to extend further down the order this time).

1st = 30pts
2nd = 25
3rd = 20
4th = 17
5th = 15
6th = 13
7th = 11
8th = 9
9th = 7
10th = 6
11th = 5
12th = 4
13th = 3
14th = 2
15th = 1

Points look good, maybe a few points for completing more than 75% of the race?

Great idea on extending the points  :thumbup1:

If Kunos release the new Audi R8, will we be allowed to switch to it during the season?

 ;D If there is only 15 start I may get a point.....

don't see why not  :)

There are some mod GT3's on this site:

http://assetto-db.com/cars

Not a fan of adding mod cars, but maybe there are some good cars on there.

Lol already looking for Audi skins!

Bit of a generic site that, bit of a mix of cars! ripped from something else?

Possibly, but there are legit cars on there as well and I think the Bentley which we used is also on there.

Yeah, sadly most of the GT3 cars at assetto-db (apart from the Bentley) are ripped :(

The next DLC from Kunos , which will probably include the Audi R8 LMS, is scheduled for mid/end may.

Ta for the link to the mod cars. There are some great cars on there that I would love to have been able to include. The Aston and Bentley would be brilliant additions but there is such a lack of mod info on there that I wouldn't know how up to date they are in relation to tyre modelling and BoP against the kunos cars they might be.  :(
Kunos are allegedly releasing a 'Britpack' very soon, I really hope the Bentley and/or Aston are in it.  :)

I looked through the modded cars and most have tyre model 6 ( atleast that what it says on their site ).
Don't think any of them have been updated so they'll have no tyre sound aswell.

Ssshhhh guys... ;D Coming to moded cars here , the capmpionship will go to the dark side of live. I have so many bad experience with such kind of cars  merges in AC...

I completely agree with you  ;D

AC races still with no ABS? Don't want to bother with flatspots, so just asking...

Gt3 cars all have ABS and TC

Servers are always set up with factory settings, so if a car has it in real life, it will have it in AC.

I'm not so into this as you are, Jeff. ;)
Not intending to race at all without ABS, realism comes a bit lower in priorities now for me. :/
Will see if I can join for some event and see how it goes.

I know, but that will answer your question in the future for any series being run  :)