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Round 4 - Monza Endurance

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Weds-May 31st - Password entry (on day of race)

Practise: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 30 Laps (approx 60mins)

Cars allowed:
Gt3 class cars

Optional skin pack (if you have not already downloaded from round1)  https://mkurv989.stackstorage.com/s/bXprz5TFRBM9jhr (https://mkurv989.stackstorage.com/s/bXprz5TFRBM9jhr)  Courtesy of Maikel.

Track:  Monza GP

Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Time of Day Setting: 15:30
Weather: Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: 1 Mandatory

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules[/quote]
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=600)

Love this circuit, one of my favourites, can't wait.

The royal park of Monza awaits us next  :)

Just a heads up, I am away from Saturday until wedsnesday evening so any new drivers or admin queries should be directed to our trusty server man Pete (picnic). I really hope I am back in time for the race as I missed Monza in the first series too. Mind you I doubt I'll get any time for practise but I know the track well.

Regarding the new dlc. Again I'll ask, is anyone planning to swap to the new Audi ? If not then we can leave everything as it is. Last chance to change. I'd rather you all stuck to your original cars.

Again I will reply, that I want to run the Audi.

I'll just stick with the Nissan then. Hopefully it'll have his chance to show its muscle on this track  ;D  ( though the Lambo will probably still be faster  :'( )

why dont you just apply a ballast/air restriction to the cars which are faster..a bit like BTCC.. at least that way the season isnt dominated by one type of car.

The 488 was released somewhere in our first season, it wasn't included till this season. Just do the same with the new Audi. So far, its not meeting with the best response within the forum. Continually asking, then deferring, will just build on this. Forget it, till we run another season. Everyone can just get on with racing.

When I picked the Lambo I was the only one, but now it's a whole swarm of them  :D. Worst of all, fast drivers picked them, so I can't blame the car anymore for my lack of pace  ;D.

I think the VDA guys will also dominate in the old Merc and McLaren.

To Eck :- it's different this time as I said at season start that we would use the new dlc when it became available and nobody objected to that because, like me, we forgot that it would rely on everyone getting the new dlc. With gt3 cars I normally assume everyone will get it because even if you didn't use it this season you wouldn't be able to start the next one without it  :P
So abstainers need to think about that fact also.

And I feel no need to ballast out the cars for bop, it's the natural way of life that certain drivers will be damn fast in whatever they drive in the gt3 group. In this case we have the perfect storm of vda in Lamborghinis  :o
But I'm not allowing any more Lambos for new drivers, suddenly the top 10 seems to consist only of Huracans.  ::)

I always liked the idea of limiting spaces for each car, so for example 4 x Lambo's, 4 x Merc, 4 x Nissan etc. Created a more balanced grid and got drivers to try different cars. Always worked in GPL and IRacing leagues.

Fast drivers will always be fast, but fast drivers driving the fastest cars is slightly unfair.. (in my opinion Jeffery before you kick off again.)

I purposely chose a slower car in the "spirit" of a fairer grid..

What will be will be..

and is used a lot in GTL.............just sayin'  :whistling:

Oooh forgot GTL. Either way, gets my vote.

Well the car choice issue has only become a bit lopsided as new drivers drip fed into the sign ups and each picked a lambo. Just one of those things because we could have made sure there was good car distribution if all names and cars were known at the start.  If you remember we were almost merc top heavy at one point.
Tim has offered to go Porsche so that leaves 5 Lambos in a 24 car grid.  :)

Provisional driver list:-

1) MJ    -   Porsche gt3-R   Gulf #9  https://www.dropbox.com/s/z5z6i0q044wwzb1/2017_Gulf_9.rar?dl=0
2) Nfsw -   Porsche gt3-R Manthey racing  http://www.mediafire.com/file/mii73wjbek20kzf/Manthey_Blancpain.rar
3) Maikel - Nissan GTR #94  https://www.dropbox.com/s/39af32ro6od6a2x/gt3_94.rar?dl=0
4) Spanner - Ferrari 488 #48  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ohocag79k3tg08i/Rinaldi_Racing.rar?dl=0
5) Postal - Ferrari 488 jms#51  http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/jms-lm-corsa-488-gt300.11169/update?update=19433
6) Linus - McLaren 650S #10 https://www.dropbox.com/s/tl73fbx1xslefsv/GPRT_10.rar?dl=0
7) FMG - Lambo Huracan #22  http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/huracan-gt3-leipert-motorsport.11472/
8 ) Shark - AMG Mercedes - Racing_70  (stock skin)
9) Jeffrey - #69 Lambo (stock skin)
10) Baikal - BMW Z4 xdrive_20_z  (stock skin)
11) Manteos - Lambo Huracan #61 (Stock)
12) Bob - Nissan GTR  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ps0qtog5kz6fhlj/2017_Gainer_10.rar?dl=0
13) Picnic - AMG Mercedes - Racing_69  (stock)
SRW - BMW Z4 GT3 BMW motorsport 2013 white (stock skin)
15) Thomas Blackett - Porsche gt3-R #80 Flying Lizard  https://www.dropbox.com/s/lwita75dqr6yiz7/80_flying_lizard_ms_gt3.rar?dl=0
16) ChrisR - Ferrari 488 #46 VR
17) Sutol - car tbc
18) Pag96 - Ferrari 488  #89  http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/ferrari-488-gt3-hubauto-super-taikyu-2017-season.14917/
19) Eck Simpson - AMG Merc
20)  Gavino Pintus - Lambo Huracan #36 (stock)
21) Massimo Bonni - Lambo Huracan #61 (stock
22) ApexUSA - BMW Z4 stock skin
23) Tim Schneider - Porsche GT3-R #83 http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/porsche-911-gt3r-seikel-motorsport-le-mans-d1-division-2005-83.13515/ (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/porsche-911-gt3r-seikel-motorsport-le-mans-d1-division-2005-83.13515/)
24) Felix Simoes - AMG Merc  (stock skin?)

Last race we had this list (including no shows):

Lamborghini: 6
Nissan: 2
Merc: 4
Ferrari: 4
650: 1
Porsche: 3
BMW: 4
Audi: 0

So there are 2 cars represented less and 5 with a decent amount. Still now bad for variation, it's just a bit lobsided because the Lambo's are all pretty close to eachother.

yeah 3 of those Lambos are all in the same Italian team, so I see no issue with that at all :)  I'm more surprised there is only 1 McLaren  ???

I noticed at Misano there was an all white plain car appearing in the pits. I must be missing a skin but not sure who it was..anyone know?
Note also, Tims new Porsche skin (link in drivers list) if you want to keep your grid up to date and looking tasty.

I'm quite upset with you Chris.
First of all, myself and Gavino dislikes the GT3s, cause I guess they are the last car to drive to have a bit of fun on a track, but I like the fairness of the majority of the drivers in SROUK, so for me is only a pleasure to drive here and have some ding dong battles (thanks to Jeffrey I learned a new idiomatic expression :)).
Said that, we jumped on the only two 'italian' cars for not much than an hour per car (to say the truth our car is 'German'). After we noticed that the Lambo was sensibly faster than the Ferrari (ON THE STRAIGHTS, not in cornering), we decided that it would be the best option simply for its engine power.
I was not asking to myself if that car would have been too fast compared to the others, cause we didn't have any chance to try all the other cars, apart for the Porsche. I just remember to you that in Brands Hatch you were faster than me on your Ferrari, even if I didn't appreciate the way you overtook me ('unfair' would be the right one).
Just to figure out what I'm sayin' you can see by the stracker Gavino's times compared between Ferrari and Lambo at Brands Hatch. With 50% fuel and medium tyres he was turning in 23.8 (23.6 theoretical best) in the 488. His Lambo pole laptime with soft tyres and 2.5% fuel was 1.23.4 (23.1 theoretical best). Do you think that he was uncapable to beat that time with soft tyres and low fuel onboard with the Ferrari?
So please, before you tell some other bullxxxx like "fast drivers driving the fastest cars is slightly unfair..", or "spirit of a fairer grid", please remember to use your brain, or it's better if you shut up.

Again, just my two cents  :angel:


 

Hi guys,
after some useless posts, can we go back to the point?

I try to explain you some details.
I've voted "no" to the DLC only because IMHO the new "features" was not interesting.
But after saw 15 positive votes against 2 negative ones I've bought the new DLC.

So now let me understand the real situation.

The problem is that we've too much lambos?
I'm available to change car, and you can choose a car for me if you know well all the GT3's.
In my opinion (only an opinion after few laps and trying to compare the laptimes in radiators-champ) the GT3's cars are not much different from the performance point of view. But anyone for me is funny. I'm driving with you only because I love your fairness.

The problem is a missing Balance Of Performance?
I'm ok if you think to add me(generically speaking the fastest drivers) some ballast. I repeat my goal.
I want to have fun with fairness drivers.

Let me know guys, and if you have other ideas we can talk about it, even in teamspeak if you think it's useful.
But please, avoid to forget the cooperation  :angel:

Gavino, personally, I dont think you should change you car to suit the rest of us. If we are not quick enough then thats our weakness and up to us to get faster. Plus, there is plenty of good racing throughout the pack still. Totally up to you but personally I dont think you should change just because of the rest of us drive like Miss Daisy  ;D

I don't have any problems with all those Lambo aswell, only problem I have is with the stupid Nissan  ;D

Sure the thing has some good topspeed but it lacks so much in the corners. Why did I ever pick it.... Why!  :'( 
 ;D
Hopefully Monza will be a good track for it.  8)

the fact is, the fastest drivers driving the fastest cars is unfair, and it doesn't make for a fair grid, usually here, the faster drivers pick the slower cars so it evens the field out, however, you may not of known this, i don't think bad of you for choosing the car you have, quite frankly its refreshing to have some new serious competition.

but the truth is, going from RSR live timing; (not a 100% accurate representation, but close enough..) Spa / Nurb GP / Barc Moto (don't know which variants we are planning to use so i just chose the most popular) The 650S and the Lambo just happen to be the fastest 2 cars out of the entire selection, the 488 is the 4th / 5th & 6th fastest respectively. the GTR is the slowest, at least on the 3 tracks i have talked about.

I do want to make it clear that I don't want you to change your cars, my comment regarding air restriction / ballast was one to bring the lap time differential closer together to make for a more interesting race.. the problem is, that until you actually do a round or two, you never really know how fast the cars will go under their respective drivers..

Mark has already said that manual BOP is not something that he is looking to do so that is fine, it was just a suggestion..

as for the the overtake at Brands, you went wide, you compromised your line i went on your inside, and not even that aggressively, at that point you lost your position and probably should of conceded the place knowing i was going to be going to the outside of the corner, hey.. just my opinion. Just a racing incident as far as i'm concerned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmd3n_OLS4c

Just for info.
About BOP in Monza in current OSRW GT3 champ. ( look track cat A)  :)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z5z4pvq6y4j6p3v/ballast1.0%20GT3%202017.jpg?dl=0

About current preQualy using this BOP:
http://manager.rackservice.org:50800/lapstat
Using only medium compound in all sessions.

I have no enough practise here but i hope  do in next 2 days and take 1.48.7-9  :)

Have you been on the grappa Manteos?  ;D calm down all, it's all about the racing not ranting  :angel:
Chris, to be fair, it was gallant of our resident aliens to resist jumping in the 650s (the only car that was flagged up as standout fast - not the huracan) to bring the field closer and it was done in good faith before anyone knew how fast our Italian vda friends are. But it's not exactly like they have some massive advantage, the lap times up front are still within tenths of maikel, Jeff, chrisR, felix and Tim !! The fact they have had any edge is because they practise hard and train together with TS making them a formidable pro team.
Post race reports of how great the fights were up front prove that and therefore Chris posting up about unfair advantages is fruitless sh*t stirring really after only 3 rounds of which you missed one  ::)  Jeez most of us would love to be able to be within a few tenths of the top 6 so let's stop detracting from the great close racing  :-*
I am enjoying having some quick Italians to take the fight to our regular aliens and you guys should embrace the challenge instead of having it all your own way against us mortals  :)

Ps it may have escaped your attention but the real world Blancpain series using BoP is currently being led by an Italian in a Lambo ...just saying  8)

i said, as a blanket statement only, not pointing any fingers.. that the fastest driver, driving the fastest car is not fair (in the essence of this site and how we roll), i wasn't shit stirring, or intentionally shit stirring anyway.. you just reiterated my statement by giving an example of the "aliens" not choosing the 650S, but the Lambo and the 650s are (at the moment at least) both the fastest cars in the AC GT3 line up, the fast people who didn't choose the 650s because they agreed would of giving them an unfair advantage, just happened to choose the only other car which is actually just as fast.. through no fault of their own, i accept that.. it really doesn't bother me.. i LIKE the competition..

my suggestion of BOP was not one of "whining that i can't win" it was a general idea to bring the entire field closer together.. in a sense you're BOP'ing the drivers not the cars..

anyway, i cant be bothered to go around in circles about this.. i'm sure this was just a misunderstanding because as i write this i have no ill feelings towards anyone or any choices... apart from Jeffery, your a bit of a drama queen as well, but i still love you XX

Good, glad we've cleared that up  :)

But no more posts arguing about overtaking moves, if you guys feel anything was heavy handed or unjust then post it to the moderators for review as per the forum rules.

The only thorn in my side is this Dlc. Jeff, bearing in my mind you would have to get it anyway for future series can't you just go with the flow and get it? Solves everybody's problem and we can get back to racing. I had no interest in the jap pack but I still got it so I could race in events that use its content. It's just the way all pc sims have evolved.

Being that it only seems to be me now, despite recollecting Maikel wanting to switch as well, I wouldn't bother Mark.


3 rounds in and its all descended into chaos ::)

If you are happy to stick with the Ferrari (lovely car anyway) and/or Jeff gets the dlc then it's all sorted. For interest the fastest guy on our Monza stracker so far is using the old Audi  :o so proves its more the driver not the car in most cases  ;)

Only reason I was thinking of switching to the Audi was because so far I've seen some great fights up ahead and the Nissan just can't keep up. It wasn't that bad in Misano as the 3 Lambo's up ahead were battling eachother, but as soon as they were clear I wasn't closing any gaps no matter how hard I pushed the car ( and abusing the track limits abit  ;D )

So I'm hoping the Nissan will be better on some tracks, like Monza or maybe Paul Ricard. But I'll stick with the Godzilla this season  ;D

Btw, I thought last season the Nissan was somewhat the best of the rest ( on most tracks )  with the 650s quickest as usual, while the Lambo was more at the bottom. Did they change so much during that time ?

Exactly this. I don't mind Gavino driving into the distance during a race. Only thing that annoys me, is that I won't be able to match his pace, no matter how much practice I put into it   :'( :P .

I personally have no interest in BoP as it will be extremely hard to get it spot on and there will always be a tipping point, which will make another car better. And I want to beat somebody on equal grounds, beating a slowed down car is of no interest to me.


For future reference, running other cars out of road it allowed to some degree in real life, but regarding this rule of SRou, it's not allowed here:

If the leading driver exits a corner leaving enough room on one side track for another car, they are not permitted to move to that side if the following driver has clearly committed to it and is too close to switch to the other side without lifting off.


For me the Lambo was the 4th fastest when I tested them on Brands. I was faster in the 650, Porsche and Nissan. I picked the Lambo as it wasn't picked by anyone else at that point and I had no idea how good or bad the car was, but I've never seen it so far up front in any league. Besides, I'm not fast in the Lambo anyway, as Maikel in the Nissan can easily keep up  ;D.


I'd rather be called a grammar nazi, that'd be less ironic as well  :P.


I've already stated, you can chose whatever you want with the DLC. I have no idea why my only no vote is preventing it, but I thought you were waiting now to see who would actually swap.
If you really want the DLC to be included, go for it, and then it's up to me to decide before the next race if I'm going to get it or not. That's what I've been stating the whole time  :)

How competitive is the new Audi anyway? Somebody here stated there were some complaints about it on the official forum.

I think last season the cars were on V7 tyres and they have all switched to V10 AFAIK. I think that switch favoured some  cars more than others, which is why I'm surprised the Lambo is so good.

But still, I'd rather drive the Nissan, as I enjoyed that car more and it's by far the best looking car on the grid.  ;D

I can't make this round so see you at the next one. Shame as I like Monza and it's a pit stop race. Then again I'm fed up of getting mullered down all the straights in the Merc, so perhaps it is a blessing in disguise. ;D

@ 59:39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLYf0WhrX20

Pretty much exactly what happened between us, but i didn't make my gap..

I'll tell you what..  If you make a mistake and create a gap, i am going to put my car in it, if you don't want to touch me.. then i suggest you do something about it.. because i'm racing to for a win, i'm not racing to drive around in a convoy of pretty GT cars..

At Misano the Audi seemed somewhere in the middle I'm guessing. Did a 37:00 with the default after a few laps, while with the Nissan I just barely got a sub 37 in with alot of setup tweaking.
Only thing I wasn't very fond of was the fact that as soon as you hit the brakes the car went straight as an arrow and no steering helped. Though it was quite nimble in the slow corners.

the GTR is slowest on Barc Moto, Spa and Nurb GP out of all the cars in the line up.. it really is (on these tracks anyway) the slowest car, based from RSR.

the new audi is a tad slower than it should be and they are working on it atm.

Yep. Usually when someone make insinuations on the unfairness of other drivers the chaos starts. I agree with Mark and i apologize with all the other drivers, but you can't type that kind of words against someone and pretend you don't receive some harsh words. We say in italy: 'lanciare il sasso e nascondere la mano'. (Throw the stone and hide your hand).
You should have think to this issue before the champ started. Maybe if we had more time to try these cars we would have made a different choice, but it's really different by what Chris was stating yesterday with his allusions about an unfair choice by our side.
I add that in Brands Hatch race I had some great even battle with Maikel too, so I really don't understand what the point is. You said the 650 was not a car eligible for 'aliens', so I reported that to my teammates, stop.

About the incident, just consider a visit to the eye-watcher Mate... don't be afraid. I will bump into your car next time and pass you without any regard. Be sure of it.

 ::) you do what you feel you need to do..  :-[

Sometimes in life, we have to end up being the bridesmaid and never the bride or in my case, the ugly sister that never gets an invite  ;D

It saddens me, as I'm sure it does a number of other drivers, sitting on the side lines watching this thread, that we have a number of different people talking about wanting to bump each other off instead of racing without incident.

If this league descends into "win at all costs" over "trying to win, but also trying to avoid incident" then I for one will go elsewhere.

IMHO one of you guys in charge need to start clamping down on discussing incidents publicly and educating people about the league rules and the standards upon which it is founded and that goes for some people with "staff status" next to their names.

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How about any thing thats been discussed already above this line stays above this line and is not to be discussed further. If it continues in this thread and appears below this line then you get a race ban as the rules state discussing driving incidents and driving standards need to be done it private or reported to the mods. Simples  ;D

I'm sure we can all agree on this now??

I have already asked a couple of times to stop discussing overtaking moves and allegations, then I come back and another comment has been added  ::) i'lljust delete them from now on so don't waste your time typing them.
And any contacts will be dealt with through the normal process as long as we have a replay to watch, especially any deliberate contacts. I don't get enough spare time to waste being a peacemaker, just running this series uses up time I could spend practising  :hammer:

For Pete/Mark

Link to my skin for the 488, hope it's not already been used??

http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/pioneer-ferrari-488-gt3.11211/

Nice skin :)

Quite right too.

(http://www.davegymer.org/images/orly/monitoring.jpg)

You are okay with that skin, nice choice  :). Hopefully Pete will pick this up and edit the driver file as he has the latest that needs editing for Felix too.
Quite a grid now  8)

is there a way to remove last years results from stracker?

Not sure how to rid it of last years results fully but if you hit the + key and enter 'date from' 'show selected'  it just shows this months times.

Just an observation MJ, will there be more members wanting to race than grid places.    (But still, I'd rather drive the Nissan, as I enjoyed that car more and it's by far the best looking car on the grid.) unfortunately that was the only reason I chose it

Guys, can we stop with this stuff about having the best looking car. Its obvious my car is the best looking car in the pack. I mean, just look at it, damn its hot  ;D

(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k46/Linus27uk/Screenshot_ks_mclaren_650_gt3_ks_silverstone_26-5-117-17-48-55_zpsey7luqgh.jpg) (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/Linus27uk/media/Screenshot_ks_mclaren_650_gt3_ks_silverstone_26-5-117-17-48-55_zpsey7luqgh.jpg.html)

 :D All I saw was the back of it not really appealing.

Hahaha

Seems theres been another update to the game!

Me and Pete discussed this today briefly. We are alright at the moment but if more join we would need the osrw track versions with more pit boxes. But also every week there are a few different no shows so if it gets tight I'll insist everyone that can't race that week let me know in advance.

All this piffle about cars, my gulf liveried Porsche is the tastiest looking  8) ;D

Don't forget I'm not racing Monza so if you need to take me off the list for that race then please do so.

just sorted replays out and the pitstop time for the M3

Grr. i hate Monza, cant drive it.

Jeez Chris, 100 laps!!!

Its pretty clear looking at stracker times its never about the car, its always how you drive it and the track. I've driven multiple setups some that faster guys have recommended but never do i manage their times!

Well thats depressing, i switch to using the default setup, for some inspiration, and end up going faster than using my softer misano setup.

Does running toe 'work' in this? Supposedly to help initial turn in? all advice so far points to running close to zero.

Hi lads, as i have an appointment early in the evening, i am not sure how late i will get behind the PC. Should be able to race, but if grid size is becomming a problem you can use my grid spot if needed.

Cheers

Most of my laps have been just pitstop testing and how/when to change tyres etc.. i dont practise offline, only on the servers im racing on, also i try drive competitors cars to see where their cars downfalls are and where i can possibly take advantage..

When i used to race in stcc on lfs i used to do at least 1000 laps per race minimum, i had to as i dont have that ability to be consistant straight away, i have got to practise so im consistant through muscle memory.. when to change gear, when to brake, when to turn in, all that is done by muscle memory, it leaves my immediate vision to consentrate on issues which may arrise.

Everyone can be fast, but you have to apply your thought process to such goals.. you need to consiously think about braking points, turn in points, using all the track etc etc. When i have helped people the first thing i notice is that they use 75% of the track.. almost sitting in the middle of the track kn corner entry etc.. because it feels "safe"

I reccomend that you read "speed secrets" vol1 & vol2 they are only small books but they will improve your laptimes..  Things you havent considered will be made so obvious you will think why you never thought of them before..

Regarding toe, dont look at static values, look at how the value alters during the dynamic stage, under bump or rebound.

For example, when you brake the front end dips (bump) this will dynamically change the toe-out value and increase it, so your looking for a value which gives good turn in under bump (whilst braking) but good stability on the straights.. unfortunatly ac atm doesnt really represent toe correctly in a sence of how it feels, irl changing from neutral toe to 0.05 or 0.1 is a massive difference in how the car feels, the car just feels "pointy" in ac you can put 0.20 or 0.30 and feel barely any difference. So in ac you do it to control heat and wear.

Wear in ac is done using a vKm value, a virtual km is measured by seeing how far the wheel travels when not 100% straight. So zero camber and zero toe if you got the value bang out (using a drag strip) wouldnt wear out your tyre, but because thats impossible on a track then its not so much of an issue.

Which car you have?

I'm certainly guilty of not using all the track in real life and something I am working on. I am getting a lot better but like all things, room for improvement. Will certainly get those two books. Thanks for the recomendations.

A couple of tips about wednesday race.

Me and the other VDAs will quite surely use soft tyres during the whole race without changing them, as we said to Jeffrey this evening. Yesterday I tried a long run and after 25 laps they were behaving good. You'll find them a bit slidy during the last laps of the race, but it's the unique option to have a better grip and higher temps on your tyre for almost the entire race. I strongly recommend to you to do an attempt of a long run and see what happens. Monza is the only place in which you can take this hazard ;)

About the fuel strategy.
Fuel weight is a factor that you can consider if you want to be a bit more aggressive in your strategy. Starting with full tank (100 ltrs circa) will assure you the advantage of a superfast refueling, but will penalize you in acceleration and max speed if you dont't have some slipstream to exploit. The difference between full tank and half tank laptimes are between 3-5 tenths per lap, but this advantage will wear thin lap after lap until the half race, when you will be in the same situation of the full tankers but losing approximately 10 seconds (5 ltrs per second for the refueling) vs the 0.2 seconds needed for the spalsh and go. Obviously nothing prevent that You may take a bit more than 50 litres at the start and make a longer first stint for instance. That will let you save more seconds at the pit stop and to be more aggressive during the first part of the race.
Otherwise, if you are planning to change the tyres (somethng that I strongly discourage you to do), it will cost to you approximately 20 seconds. In this case refueling and tyre change will be done simoultaneously, so it would be better to start with an half tank in an hotlapper mood :D.

Now do your maths, and good race :)

I have been doing now all my running on softs and was going to use them for the race. They are only marginally better temps than the medium, but am not seeing alot of wear on them. As for going through the whole race...maybe for you guys at the front, but will probably change them anyway.

Was just going to run fuel half and half. I know running fith full tank would be quiker overall but, find its easier to drive and get the time with less fuel. Those of us not in the top 10 don't worry so much about saving every tenth!

Pitstops in AC? hmm never done them before  :o

IIRC, tyres take longer than fuel for half an hour. So if you are going to change tyres, it's no use starting with a full tank.

I'm sure you could fill about 60-70L in the same time as changing tires based on my testing for silverstone

Tyres take 20 seconds to change.

They used to take 10 but for whatever reason they decided to make it 20, which is why the animation looks like its in slow motion.

Oh, thought it felt really slow last time.


As we have lots of people here with a lot of indepth knowledge of AC. Saw a comment on FB or somewhere that he joined a server, saw that it reported the tyre pressure incorrectly in status area (hot pressure is less than cold pressure) and thought that the server was running some sort of cheat, told them and then got booted!

I know i shouldnt believe anything i read, but i noticed it the other day. cold pressures were 17, hot 16. Its been like this for a long time now, surely they should have fixed it by now?

Earlier than 14 feb , as i can remember the dates  ;D, hot pressure was 33 for GT3 cars. Now it's 26.  Cold pressures is begins from 16 now.

I know but you run some laps then go back to setup screen and see the reported tyre pressures on the status area. My cold pressures were 17, the tyre app while driving shows them to be 24-25 but stop and go back to the setup screen...

The car setup screen has always been a bit odd..

i ignore it and look at the live tyre app.

Mark, what about rules of ascari turns? IMHO we can use all 4 wheels on green zone in first left side ascari turn for safety reason?  :)
Hope we'll have a good battle tonight!  :)

Two wheels within the white lines at all times, if you go out fine and dont gain an advantage.. , but if you think someone is gaining by constantly going over the white lines then you need to say something.

Hey guys im sorry but i cant race tonight. I am still at my workplace and unfortunatly i cant make it in time.

Hey gents I am back! Will be racing tonight though it will feel like a true endurance race to me as I've just driven my stripped out Old Porsche for 6 hours across France  :surrender:  I'm flipping tired but will give it a go  :P

well thanks to the shower of Sh*te at BT I was unable to race because once again my phone line is down and broadband is at snail pace. On trying to fire up AC I got told the latest download would take 10hours to do!!  >:( ::) very annoyed to miss this race  :'(  that's my championship pretty much screwed after the disco at silverstone and then lap1 shunt last week.

I'm going to have to ask to change to the 911 as i am racing it elsewhere and i (obviously) cant chop and change between the cars.. so if its possible can i change to the 911, and if not its no problem, but i will have to sit the rest of the race out.

I can understand your frustration, especially as this is you series and you were looking forward to it  :-\.

Start at Monza is always very tricky, heading into turn 1. Had a better start than the nr2 so we were pretty much side by side heading into the braking zone, but I didn't want to risk it, but I had to watch out for people behind benefiting from it.

Had to fend off the fast Porka of Nfsw. That thing has such traction and grunt. The Fezza was easy to hold behind, eventhough it was able to keep up in the draft.

Halfway through the race, my tyres were less than half on wear, so I thought, wouldn't it be an epic troll for Manteos to say whole race on softs is best option, just to see us all DNF you to flat tyres  ;D.
Decided to stick with just 1L, also because I was curious to see what happens when the wear bar runs out.

Maikel pitted later and came out right behind me. I did that last game, but worn and cold tyres were a nightmare, so I decided to do the stop when tyres were somewhat still grippy.

Keeping that Nissan behind is a whole different animal, in this case Gozilla. Had multiple position swaps until I had a tankslapper on worn tyres. Maikel waited for me, probably thinking there was contact, but it was all me  :D.

Didn't have a way of tell him to just go, so few laps later when he was right behind me, I decided to stay to the outside at Parabolica and not defend there. Tried to do a Hamilton at Spa tho, but couldn't make the move stick into turn 1 :).

A mid engined car that oversteers is not my cup of tea, no confidence in the car at all at that point.

Grats again Gavino, also in case I miss it, grats on A1 Ring/PaulRicard/Spa/Budapest/Nurburgring and Barcelona  ;D.

Well a mixed race really. Stupidly tired as heavy day at work but dont like to miss a race but then everytime I tried to join the server it kept locking up. Finally got in with 10 mins of qualifying but only managed to get 14th on the grid. Made a great start and I've never seen such a clean polite procession through turn 1. I dont think there was a single incident. So lap 1 was going well until I made a stupid mistake and spun, dropping me to near the back of the pack :(

What then followed for entire race was an awesome battle with Bob. At first it was messy on my part resulting in another spin (thanks for waiting Bob) but once I got my head out of Playstation mode and into sim mode, it was truely amazing. Soooo much fun, especially coming out of the first chicane where my McLaren would kill tge Nissan only to be left behind on the straight. Brilliant fun Bob :)

So finally ended up 16th which is aweful but the nights racing was mega :)

Hello guys,
good race for me.

In the qualy I made a mistake in the first attempt. Better in the second one, I reach 46.8, and fortunately Matteo doesn't combine its best sectors and don't gain the pole position.

The race was difficult. In the first part all was fine, but in the 16th lap I've lost two times the rear of the car, so I've decided to change the tyres.
Now for me starts a qualifying race. Good pace and any mistake. I gain the victory with Matteo second.
Massimo was not focused today and he makes too many mistakes unfortunately.

But the real winners are us. Any problem in the first lap and in the whole race. Great job.
See you in the next race

 >:( >:( Pale blue Lambo creamed me into the wall at race start, accidents happen,     many thanks for waiting. Tried to carry on regardless and had nearly the whole race again with Linus, he had a lot more pace than me out of the first chicane, think I was in a Nissan2CV. Great fun again, will put a bullseye on the back of that Lambo for next week's race  ;D ;D ;D

Thanks for the race guys, first half was quite intense :D Unfortunately I only had very limited practice this time which is probably the reason why I only finished the race in P7 at the end.

Qualified P6, had a very good start and already overtook two cars before turn 1 . Chris passed me again quite soon, but I was really happy with my pace as I was able to follow Jeffrey and Chris and kept Maikel behind me. After a few laps Chris and me went side by side into turn 1, touched a bit and I went slighlty off the road. Nothing too bad but I lost a position to Maikel.
Before the race I thought that the best strategy would be to change tires and refuel the car at half distance, but in the race I noticed that most of the guys around me just did a short splash&dash (should have read the forum more carefully as I just saw that Matteo even pointed that out here ;D) My left tires started to go yellow at around lap 14, was that also the case for anybody else? ???

After my pitstop I was in P9, overtook fmg when he made his stop and gained another place in the last lap, not sure what happened there.

Happy to finish 3rd here tonight.

Lost a few positions right at the start again but made it through T1 fairly cleanly ( little bump with Chris because the Nissan's too broad for these tiny corners   8) ).
Was settling behind nfsw, Chris and Jeffrey since they were having a slightly better pace. But the more the tyres started to wear out, the better the Nissan started to become  ;D
Saw Nfsw and Chris struggling with their tyres so I guessed that they were pitting for new ones, so I decided to stay out and go for a full race on the Softs. I pitted around lap 25 or so only to come out just behind Jeffrey.
Was gaining on him bit by bit and we had a few battles ( thought I hit him at one time so I let him pass again, it was a sloppy attempt anyway  :P ) and then I made an incredible pass at Parabolica just flying past......   ::)

Tyres wear down to 94% for me at the end. It was actually quite easy to manage around in those worn out tyres in the Nissan since it doesn't even has that much grip to begin with  ;D

It so hard , fun and lucky race for me.
Started in 7 pos i lose 2 positions to Felix and Matteo. Old crazy dog Z4 not starting good , buy today start was good but these 2 guys in Ferra  and Porsche has very cool start ! ))) Thanks to all guys  for 1st turn- it was like example for learning how to drive here. :)
Approacing to Askari in 1st lap i was return a 1 pos from Matteo. It was a lucky . No. LUCKY!!! maneur because i hit a grass by rear right wheel aaannd save the car do not know how! Here is great thanks to Mateo for patience  :)
From the 2nd lap i reach Felix and our battle was begun! 2 laps we  exchange our positions in hard but correct battle . FMG was enjoined and wayting for our mistakes  ;D Than approaching to Ascari my overtake was not planned here,  so i brakes behind Felix in my correct braking point  buuuut I see that approach speed to Felix too high! To save the situation ( see vid under post) i cut the left apex and pass Felix. I know it was illegal but. I save both IMO. So, i am not return the pos and Felix said that was ok ) Thanks for the battle mate!
So i return my start pos 7 ;D
Every lap i manage the brake bias to save myself in parabolica ))) Each lap i move from 67 to 65  4 ckicks!
Done 1l pit ok in soft and continue race lonely. In 26 lap i see Massimo approaching me from behind :o. Next battle will rages on!  :o
Where you coming from , Massimo? I am not see you in my live race pos table!  ;D
In 29 lap he was attacking me in ascari approach and pass but i have slipstream on exit and tryed to return. Unfortunatelly in parabolica we has contact.. I breaks fron left side, save free room for Massimo but i begun to some drift in dead tyres and ... I was recover but Massino is not. So sorry mate for accedent. If you see my bad- you can report accident . :) So i finished 5th pos ( got an advantage of 1 L pitstop in softs not changed, imo)
It was so fun race ! Congrats podiun and all guys! Gavino, your pace was incredible!  See you all later in tracks!
 
Race onboard in cockpit: Laps 1-4 and 28-29 is a thing  :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsQnsEwTJ4U

PS. Lapped guys was amazing ! Thanks all of them especialy  Bob and Michael!

    

Lol... I even said that it was an hazard... you know, just in case :D

However I've been faithful to what I said in the end.
After a good start I braked maybe too early at the first chicane, so Jeffrey was trying to chisel me out of my 2nd place on the outside, but I closed the door a bit brutally on the change of direction so we had a light contact without consequences for us :fencing:
I would have modified my strategy only in case of a too prolonged battle during the first laps, but fortunately this time was up to Jeffrey to defend himself by Chris, Maikel and nfsw, and in this way it was quite easy to put a gap between me and Jeff during the first laps hammering on the 48.5 without offering my precious slipstream  ;D

From the half race on the only thrill  was noting that that flying basxxxd right bigfoot of Gavino (I know he wont't regret for this word, he's like a brother for me  :wub:) had changed the tyres during his pit just to add some spice to his race... or more proably just to contradict my pit strategy :D
I delated my pit stop as more as I can, keep pushing hard and waiting all the other drivers up to Maikel to do their pit before me. My pit was quite perfect cause I gained some 9 seconds only with the strategy, but in the end that slow chicken of Gavino confessed me that he forgot to halve the tank of his car, so the two strategies were really close.

Obviously Jeff, you and the others who battled for a long time weared the tyres before me and Gavino, but the result in the end turned good for you and Maikel followng my strategy, so you can't complain  :D

Respect for the lapped drivers and for the clean start as I could see from the video posted by Alexey. In public lobby I never race in Monza cause I've lost the hope to overcome the first chicane.
After watching this start I can say: Never lose the hope! :D

See you chaps  ;)

I still have the rpelay bug, does anybody have a proper replay?

Race replay. But remember that i have ping 140 in 8000 km. ;)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n53evrusx77pv3x/UKAC%20GT3%20R4%20AC_010617-043239_R_bmw_z4_gt3_monza_.rar?dl=0

Thanks Alexey :).

Turn off the autosave replay option in the settings, that seemed to fix mine ( though it uses the old fashioned way of saving every session )

I thought they fixed that with the recent update btw?

It was fixed.

Maybe the issue they fixed wasnt actually the issue you have.. i suggest putting it on the official forum so they can look into it.

All i do at the end of a race is click "save replay"

Highlight the replay or replays i want to save then click save selected.

Then they appear in my replay list.

Got a bit stuck off the line, not really sure what happened in the first chicane, but had a good race, always finding Chris Thorpe seemingly, managed to get past and wasting thinking I could catch those infront, but on last lap found Felix getting nearer! sadly still too far off, but its unusual I enjoy Monza, and finish!

I thought they fixed it as well, hence I kept auto save on.


That's what I did as well, but I only saved the race session, but when I load it, after the 1st car it still goes back. Turned off autosave now and will see how that works.

There maybe a server setting to help as i noticed as soon as, i think, the last person crossed the line it seem to move to the next session straight away as we were in practise 1 when i quit out.

Mine was still set to the autosave setting and worked perfectly - I can upload my save if you need/want it.
It's at the higher detail settings but the lag should be better.

Weird yours didn't work ???

in case you guys missed it, ive put a link up to next weeks proposed track in the series page. I need some urgent testing with it. My ISP is still fubared (engineer again tomorrow  ::) )  I tried it offline with 15 cars and seemed fine and Pete will hopefully get it on the server pronto.

If you can upload your replay that would be really appreciated. Mine didn't capture the first few laps unfortunately.

Here you go  :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nh67crkd3kus7fc/Srou%202017%20Blancpain%20R4%20Monza.rar?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/nh67crkd3kus7fc/Srou%202017%20Blancpain%20R4%20Monza.rar?dl=0)

Thanks FMG  ;D