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1955 Grand Prix – Season 32 – Round 2 – Monaco

For the second round of the championship we will visit Monaco. Circuit de Monaco is a street circuit laid out on the city streets of Monte Carlo and La Condamine around the harbour of the principality of Monaco. It is commonly referred to as "Monte Carlo" because it is largely inside the Monte Carlo neighbourhood of Monaco. A very challenging tight twisty circuit, few opportunities for passing but plenty of chances to hit the scenery.

Carefully read the rules on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=620&theme=6).
 
Unlimited Shift R are allowed but should be followed by Stop & Go’s in the pits within 2 laps.

Race list	iGOR
Server	UKGPL_9
IP address	look at IGOR
Date	10-10-2017
Track	Monaco - Papyrus Original
Mod	55F1 with 60fpsV2newmod
Damage	INT long
Race time	~ 21:30 UK time
Qualifying	20:45 UK time - 45 minutes
Race length	27 laps
Replay	here (ftp://ftp.ukgpl9.co.uk:32122/Season32/1955 Grand Prix)

Please restrict chat to emergency messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=620&theme=6)

Handicapping and chassis allocation.
This season the 1955 Grand Prix cars will be using a token system which allows drivers to purchase any chassis of their choice for a given number of tokens as published on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=620&theme=6). Drivers classed as Amateurs will be allocated an additional 10 tokens.  The token allocation will not be managed in SRou this season so (unlike the 67F1 Works and 67F1 Privateer divisions) the tokens available to each driver will not appear in the championship table (when the mouse pointer is hovered over the driver's total).  Rather, the available tokens will be published in the race announcement.  See below.

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver	Tokens	Status
Robert Fleurke	10	Pro
EvilClive	15	Pro
Ronniepeterson	20	Pro
DLogan	8	Pro
FullMetalGasket	15	Pro
Doni Yourth	10	Pro
Clive Loynes	20	Pro
Samb	20	Pro
MagicArsouille	8	Pro
Turkey Machine	10	Pro
GregT	15	Pro
Carlos Cendejas	10	Pro
Billy Nobrakes	18	Am
maddog	20	Am
bagrupp	12	Am
Geoff65	20	Am
Jeep	20	Am
Gareth	20	Am
Rainier	12	Am
Phil Thornton	20	Am
dave curtis	18	Am
francesco	15	Am
ReiverEcosse	20	Am
Syd Drake	20	Am

I've set UKGPL9 with correct laps and running for some practice / testing. Please try and connect and advise any issues here.

Hi, Tim...  I just logged off the server moments ago...14:10 EDT Toronto...for a couple of laps.  Absolutely no dramas in getting a good hook-up.  SOP, in fact.

Looks like we're good to go!  :)

More promising than it was. Thanks, Doni!

Just connected to UKGPL_9. Connection was good, Quality Meters were all showing excellent readings.  Thanks Jethro.

I failed to connect while Phil was on there but after rebooting my pc it seemed to go well.

That is very strange.  Rebooting the PC seems to fix connection problems sometimes (Dean had a similar issue (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14569.msg266058#msg266058) yesterday .  No idea why but worth trying if all else fails.

All else, and reboot failed late evening, but joined several times early evening, without any trouble. ???  No apparent problem joining recent 55mod League, and pickup races elsewhere.

EDIT  :  Elsewhere has been raced at 36fps.  If all else fails, I suggest you give it a try. :euro:

When I was trying to join early on in the evening iGOR showed that Phil was on the server but I could not join.

Later, after my reboot, Phil was still shown as being in there but when I joined I found that I was on my tod.

I have observed this with my own name being left on the server when my pc has crashed whilst connected to the server.

I think that says that I have to get in there before Phil does.   ;D

I'd forgotten about this event... just been trying to connect to the UKGPL_9 practice server,  but unable to.
"Timed out opening communications channel".

Although according to iGOR there are a few chaps in there  [or ARE there?!]

Cheers,
Dave.

I had the same connection issues so I tried to reboot my PC only to find windows was doing some updates (despite me having scheduled updates at 3am only).  Once rebooted I could connect to UKGPL_9 with no problems.

Could it be a windows update causing these apparently random connection issues?

Is the race server going up any time soon?

There will probably be a crossing-post;  but UKGPL_4 has been brought into action.

Well I was absolutely dreadful there.  Apologies to everyone I got in the way of.

At the middle of the race my engine have prodouced smoke.Was before the Hairpin so i have gained the pit and here i have done the reset.
It's OK?

I've loaded the chassis the drivers used into the token calculator spreadsheet.  For the next race the available tokens will be as declared in the table below (the table will also appear in the next race announcement).  The calculated values are automated but selecting the cars is a manual process so please check your tokens to make sure I haven't made a silly error.  There was no token overspend for this round so no one is disqualified.

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver	Tokens	Status
Robert Fleurke	10	Pro
EvilClive	15	Pro
Ronniepeterson	30	Pro
DLogan	13	Pro
FullMetalGasket	15	Pro
Doni Yourth	15	Pro
Clive Loynes	30	Pro
Samb	25	Pro
MagicArsouille	18	Pro
Turkey Machine	10	Pro
GregT	15	Pro
Carlos Cendejas	10	Pro
Billy Nobrakes	18	Am
maddog	15	Am
bagrupp	17	Am
Geoff65	20	Am
Jeep	20	Am
Gareth	20	Am
Rainier	17	Am
Phil Thornton	25	Am
dave curtis	16	Am
francesco	20	Am
ReiverEcosse	30	Am
Syd Drake	20	Am

Sorry for the confusion over the server but we had a good race in the end.  Please let me know if anyone had any difficulties with the server (connecting, lag etc).  Hopefully the recent connection issues have been resolved.

The race itself was fun. I think it was a wise decision to allow resets in the inaugural year of this championship.  I found myself running out of brakes at the Gazométres on numerous occasions! Thankfully only needed 1 reset.

Thanks for the backup server Phil.

And many thanks to the three gentlemen who binned it on the way to T1.  This resulted in a podium for me in the Gordini, which was much more than I expected.

Congratulations to Sam and Bastian.  I tried to give chase but in a car that has brakes made from cheese it was never going to happen without Tim's skill of being able to scrub off just the right amount of speed to make some corners possible without using the brakes.  When I try it I lose too much speed or sometimes all of it when I hit the wall!

Fine run by Sam to score.  Grats!  Bas & Clive exemplary drives to fill the podium.  Well done.  And Martin gets a creditable P4 as well.  Good one, maddog!  :)

A gruesome start to my UKGPL '55 career.  Profuse and profound apologies to all...but especially to Phil...for that Lap01, T1 mega-shunt.  As we moved down to Sainte Devote, I used the 'look right' button on my G25 to see where PT was and it seems that I drifted to the right and collected him.  Not my bad.  Rather, my VERY bad.  So sorry for that, Phil.  You were dynamite here.

I felt bad enough at killing off PT's race that I staged a pit stop at the end of Lap01 even though I didn't reset.  I felt some degree of penance was most certainly in order and looked to take up position behind Phil after he stopped.  Little did I know that I'd visit the pits again and soon.

I got moving again only find that Phil was behind so pulled over for a wave-thru.  Steadily moved up thanks to assorted carnage for others to find myself in about P7 around half distance.  More than I had hoped for at the time.  Then...  POW!  Coming off the Gas Works, the engine grenaded.  Quite a surprise as I had been keeping the R's largely in check.  It took forever to stop in the pits and cars roared by.  Finally got the reset and proceeded only to have to stop next lap and serve the required penalty stop.  Sigh...  Looking rather dismal at this point.

I hooked up with Dean for some fun laps until he finally gave me a wave-thru and I set off after Ray.  Down to the closing laps and it wasn't looking too promising for a pass as Ray was going well til he swept a bit wide at the Gas Works and I powered out on inside on the exit.  WAMO!  A big collision but my Connie straightened out and I continued.  In my mirrors, the sky-blue Gordini vaulting in the air.  Sigh, again...  Sorry, Ray.

Managed to hold off Dean for P8 and some lessons learned.

I had lags during several seconds at the start.
I can't see any cars and I can't see the flagman ...so I started 10 seconds after the others.
Hopefully, I was on the last line of the grid.
Finally, it was good for me as I could avoid the accident between several cars on the first turns.

For the race itself, it was an horrific one for me. I never could manage the brakes after 2 or 3 laps and I find only one solution : slow down and gear shiftdown a long time before the turns.
I hope to be more competitive on the speedy tracks. 

David the full Monaco track is very heavy with lots of gimmicks. So lag is normal...
For online racing I use the original CD version of Monaco and had no more problems since ;)

No fair! A Connaught has the lap record :P

Well, gplracer was taking more time due to a crash and i was still not really healthy so i was asking myself to drive.

On the real clock there should have been ten minutes but you had problems as well i realised. I had no lags btw.

I first logged on my mercedes when i realised there was some of a token system and i really wouldn't need a fas car.
Without looking what the others have i decided for the connaught. My first lap brought me to surprisingly 2th.

At the start i could speed out Sam but my brake management wasn't good enough. Last corner brought me to tricky situations,
even a too early downshift spun me in the first hayball and i got stuck, needing a reset.

I tried to controll the race more and let sam go, clive was still far away :)

Grats to Sam and Clive and all other finishers. toughest 55er Race i guess.

Thanks Axel.
But I have almost no lag at Spa67.
And Spa67 seems to be heaviest than full Monaco.

Someone could explain me what mean revs,revs- and average revs in GPL replay analyser using Gearchange analyser?

Revolutions per minute = giri al minuto

I was pleasantly surprised to win this one, given my poor efforts in the fun race. Using the Connaughts slightly-better brakes to good effect, I landed the Pole, only to lose it to Bastian across the line. It was a curious battle, more of tactics than anything to see who could best manage the brakes. It turns out we both struggled!

Once Bastian made a slight error at Tabac, I squeezed past on the approach to Gasworks. From there it was a clean run to the flag. Many thanks to everyone for their diligence in being lapped. No easy feat to manage in Monaco. Dean, almost T-boned me on the approach of Gasworks. A spinning car in my mirror, I opened the steering to let him through, only for me to nudge him into the barrier  ::). Sorry about that Dean, but it did make me chuckle  :).

Well done to Bastian and Clive for rounding the podium. I'm intrigued to see how racing at Indy goes.

For the record, I still had issues joining UKGPL 9 yesterday. I re-booted the computer and finally managed to join the server afterwards. Great I thought, but Dave Curtis had a similar problem and he could only join when nobody else was in the server. When I did finally join, also nobody was in the server. When I couldn't join earlier Clive was in the practice server. Coincidence?  More investigation needed  :euro:.

Since the high number of engine burned,I'm investigating on my error or possible malfunction of my gas pedal.
Comparing lap 4 at Roeun in the cooper with other cooper(Reinier and Andreas) i have found this:
My average revs in order 1->2,2->3 and so on is:10356,10247,10235,10055
Andreas:9643,8621,8753,9057
Dave R:8940,9556,9568,9429
This number are rev. minute during the gear change?And this could explain my engine explosion?
If yes now i must understand if is my driving style or my gas pedal that,while released,don't reach the zero.
Thank you Axel for the explanation.

Hi Francesco,

You may be hitting the throttle pedal a little early but what about the downshifts?  As I recall is was usually an early downshift that the motors didn't like.

Sorry Tim, I was a poor substitute on the Gordini squad! 

You will just have some extra work to put in once you are home.   ;D

If the down shift is the avg,revs.dropped they are:
Me.21471,891,271,1004
Andreas:1519,607,620,639
Dave R:21471,60,217,10737

If are the revs-,during the lap all my number are - excluding one that is +150

I could be wrong,  but maybe all the full complement of UDP ports are not open to/from UKGPL_9?
Maybe only a few of the 21 'racing connection' port range are permitted?

From locating the igor technical documentation [never needed to find/look at that before!]

• iGOR->Help->HTML documentation]
• Documentation section -> iGOR Technical

It states for the GPL ports:

When I just joined & was alone,  my connections were:

• UDP: my_pc:32767 <---> ukgpl:32766
• UDP: my_pc:32767 <---> ukgpl:32767

So maybe the 32766 is the initial connection & each player is allocated subsequent ports from 32767 [that's what the documentation seems to say anyway!]


Cheers,
Dave.

I don't understand what the figures are but I would have said that any of the '67 GP Engines doing more than twenty one thousand rpm is doomed.

Yes but in this case why my engine explodes and that of Dave no and we have the same avg.revs of 21474.Is only bad Luck?
Anyway this 21474 seem a program error,there is no way to obtain it from the data,conversely all the other are median obtained from data.
Unfortunately,on the site of GPL replay,there is no explanation about this data

There is a random, "luck", element.  I can recall that one guy had a Brabham die on the grid.  The engine life is not a constant.

You can only trust your own saved replay!
Revs of >20000rpm are ridiculous false...
The column of "avg Revs dropped" seems to be wrong or adds all!

For me the main info is in the top middle, the number of speedshifts per lap! The more the shorter the life of your engine...

(http://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/a5adee-1507807188.jpg) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=a5adee-1507807188.jpg)

speaking always about the lap 4 i have 12 upshift and 1 speedshift,Dave 14,7,Andreas 10,0.Again i'm not able to understand.
Excludind the 66 until now i have had 2 engine blow with the Lancia 55 at Bueno A.and one smoke with the the Connaught at Monaco.
Seem to me enough to exclude bad luck.

Look at your shifting avg revs!

Driving a Gordini at Spa with max 6000rpm :

(http://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/dcec84-1507813810.jpg) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=dcec84-1507813810.jpg)

or Monaco lap4 Connaugh max 6400rpm:

(http://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/3eeedd-1507814269.jpg) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=3eeedd-1507814269.jpg)

So Axel you say that is the around 10000 revs at Rouen the cause of my break?In this case is enough to change gear before.
At Monaco,with the Connaught,i don't remeber exactly the lap but was around the 15.In this case the engine was not exploded ,have produced smoke loosing speed.

PS.I'm not able to find again the program to post picture in this forum.Could you give me it another time?

I have found the program for the pictures but i don't remeber the method.

Your avg revs are allways too high ~10300rpm :

(http://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/b53d1a-1507821865.jpg) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=b53d1a-1507821865.jpg)

You should look into the data of the car and look for the revs at max power. Just try to keep your maximum a little below it...

Ok ,thank you Axel.

Yes, those ports are open and forwarded to the server, if they were not connection would be impossible for all clients, not just an apparent select few. It is as you say from what I looked at the connection flows - 32766 is used to then negotiate with the server the actual port for that client, i.e. 1st in has 32767, 2nd in has 32768, etc.

Yes, I think that's how it works, all that range should be open.

Are you lifting off the throttle during a gear change?

I blew a BT24 engine on the grid in practise once.

I was practising a start and was in 1st gear with the clutch in, I revved twice to half revs and once to full and it blew.

This are my router settings:

(http://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/f5e679-1507808481.jpg) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=f5e679-1507808481.jpg)

Yes,if you have time can check my 4 laps in replay at Roeun with the 66.I have compared,into the cockpit,my driving with Dave and Andreas(both with the Cooper like me) and i have noticed nothing so different.This mornig i have done a test on the same track but with the Brabham 67.Ten laps with the best possible time,so no saving.At lap ten the engine have produced smoke,i'm quite sure to do 1 or 2 S&G during the next race.I have a doubt on my gas pontentiometer that is not the original but i don't know a method to check if is one possibility.

Not sure at 100% but quite sure that the potentimeter can have an influence.I have done a test inverting the clutch and gas potentiometer.With this test i have burned 3 engines into the pit.The test was extreme because the acceleration was without progressivity,quite violent,probably due to a non 0 setup of the potentiometer in rest position.

What type of pedals do you have Francesco?

Afair Fran has a Momo Wheel...

You should use DXtweak2 (https://www.sendspace.com/file/55uwnp) to test your wheels potentiometers  ;)

Momo wheel but with "faster pedals" no more in production.The structure is very good ,all metal,but the potentiometer are old and the gas not original.I'm thinking to a big purchase,the Fanatec pedals are without potentiometer that ,with the time,they are under wear.
The Fanatec is realy expensive but the hope is to have a product with long life.

Done Axel,at the moment i think to have done the best setup.What i don't know is the influence of the type of potentiometer.There are 10K,50K and 100K but no indication on the original.My gas is a 100K.

The potentiometer is ok as long you see the full range in the calibration!

Make shure you have the slider on full left for linear progress.

Yes ,at the moment seem OK but with some little oscillation near the zero(sometime).The zero position is not 100% but 99,73%.Until now i am not able to do better.

the zero position is not critical, my problems allways were oszillations at full throttle...

At this point i wait the answer from the race with fingers crossed ;D