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Round 7 - Longford

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November 29th - Password entry (on day of race)

Practise: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30   30 minutes

Cars allowed:
Lotus 25

SKINPACK (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14558.msg265319#msg265319). Top of driver's list on the opening post.

Track:  Longford (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/longford-1967.2741/)
Trackpack (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14558.0) Opening post


Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Weather: Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: Not required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

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I'm glad the farmer left the fence open  ::)

See... I told ya so  ::)

one of my prefered track! but really fast and dangerous

 ;D didn't see your post before, but that's the experience I had during testing few weeks ago. I ended up miles onto some field  :D

Should be good this one..

Looking forward to getting home and doong some practise! :) (ive been dragged to Dublin for the day:/)

Looks another great 'period' track for these cars, well chosen JR.  :)

I think we should run all these tracks again using glorious old cars like the p330, GT40, Lola, porsche etc  8)

Cheers, but due to the lack of classic tracks, I pretty much just picked every one available :p.

Next classic series is planned using those cars you mentioned. Although I don't know if the lola fits in there as I don't know its pace, but I want to do a test race at the 27th of December.

Before that, I think there will be a 6 round modern series.

Noooo, no modern cars please  :'(
Historical cars are better  ;)

Lol. I try to alternate modern and classic series, to kinda please everybody, but I keep the modern series shorter with 6 races and classic series 8-10 rounds. I have an Italian car planned for the modern series, so maybe it will still please you :). If not, I can PM you when the classic series starts.

After a 2 hours training I can say I will never understand these cars. I only hope to be competitive with someone that will match my pace to have some fun  :-\

I can understand at "normal" tracks how you guys can be 8 secs faster, Spa for example
ok, but here how can you make up 8 secs in the few corners this track has  :eek:

On a track like this, corner exits are more important than ever.

Try tires pressure at 38 psi.

I haven’t got near my wheel since a few recon Laps sat morning  :( so I’ll be battling the rear gunners this evening  :P if I don’t end up parked in a farmers field  :-X

At 07:39 server is still of practice.

Sorry just had my internet connection reset, should be ok now with a slightly reduced practice time

Was just to inform, thanks a lot picnic

no worries mate - I've been known to be distracted in the past and missed it! Shout away :)

Can't get 2 clean laps in a row, so I'm not gonna risk ending my own and somebody else's race early, like last week.

Seeign I can't make next week and I don't race at Nordschleife ever, might as well let the rest of the season go by, as I'm not enjoying these cars 1 bit  :-\.

 The worst first lap EVER at SROUK. Worse than an online race, what's wrong with a bit of care on first lap? Absolute carnage will sit out rest of series!

Fortunately I had a bad start so was near the back as we entered the first pinch point and was able to pick my way through the mess. Further around I got a bit too close to Matt and had to jam my brakes on which skewed me into the fencing causing too much suspension damage to continue.

Just can't seem to feel anything under braking in AC which makes it all a lottery for me so will probably not race it online again.

Unfortunately today I was the main starring of the crash. A first time for all.
Good start, wheel to wheel with ChrisR in third position. At the overpass stack, I decide to mantain a early apex, to attempt an overtake Chris instead mantain the late. Didn't see me that coming and close the trajectory in front me. Race finished.
Race accident, unfortunately happen. Him continue and I instead catched from the black hole near the overpass.
But anyway want to excuse for everyone involved.
Really but really sad. Good pace for me, good times, many expectations
Every of them destroyed at third corner.

Gotta say that was absolutely hilarious.

Never raced at this "circuit" before and took me a while, including during the race to learn it properly. By the end I think I was the 3rd or 4th quickest person.

Suffice to say I started last (a VERY good thing). I just let everyone crash in the first lap or so and then had a fight with Stefan for (what turned out to be) 3rd for most of the race. Was good fun thanks. Just got the better of you with on that final lap with a small mistake of yours and my fastest lap of the race!

Replay HERE (https://1drv.ms/u/s!AqbmIBVqjlgPgsFpVo7fF6GKtjB_Nw).

That was me in 3rd Simon  ;)

I somehow picked my way through the carnage unscathed on L1 and ended up 4th or 5th.
Even after trying to topple a telegraph pole I maintained that spot  ;D

Then with about 6 or 7 minutes to go I utterly missed my turn in point at T1. I had to teleport to the pits as the car was so utterly totalled and then found myself sat there for 2 whole minutes!
Eventually managed to leave and rejoined a few seconds ahead of MJ.

I ran an almost flawless race at Targa last night and a track with 7 bloody corners defeated me  :-\

Pick the bones out of that load of £$%&.

Seriously L1 was pathetic, sorry to Mark nudging you into the barrier when i was trying to avoid the pile up at the Bridge corner. Then after being Tboned by Matt as I was turning into the last corner, I didn't spot Bob as I re-entered the track. Sorry Bob, pint of best on its way to W Yorks :)

Race was terrible for me aswell.

Strange as I just managed a great lap in quali which was about 2 seconds faster then my personal best and pole. Start was good as I missed out on all the carnage behind me, but I was slowing down to see what exactly happened as I didn't see anyone really coming out of it. After a few seconds I only saw 3 cars coming up behind me, so I was kinda expecting a restart or something since I thought everyone else just crashed  ;D

Seems I just lost my pace about then though, ran wide, crashed, had a quick visit to the infamous farmers daughter and all that in only 2 laps  8)
Found out the track doesnt have a pitstop available aswell so I just quit.

Oh well, atleast I got that fastest lap in the bag  :P

I don't want to be polemic, but this race should have been restarted.

If the target is to race like in real racing, this race should have been restarted after that carnage due to a red flag.

If the target of this champ is to provide fun for everybody this race also should have been restarted, cause it's impossible to have fun with these cars and heavy damage, that is not racing.

In any way you see the question, this race should have been restarted.

This time I confirm that you can cancel me from the list Jeff. I will come back when we will use again some car and tracks more suited to online racing. If we are not able to use them here at SROUK, which is a place renowned for the fairness of the drivers, I won't bother anymore to waste my time with these cars on deadly tracks like these. Judging by the last three races, we quite lost the challenge guys  :-\

See you for the next champ :)

if the target is to race like in real life, why would the race be restarted ? we dont get restarts in real life..

the problem imo is simple, people are not prepared (or don't have time) to put the time effort into practise, just knowing where the track goes is not good enough, not with these cars, they are too unforgiving for that. you have to practise until you gain the required muscle memory to drive the cars with little thought.. as soon as you have to think about a corner you have already messed it up..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_red-flagged_Formula_One_races

I see what you mean now..

as i understand it a red flag is to indicate that the race must be stopped for safety reasons and is usually restarted shortly after, unless the red flag is waved too close to the end of the race at which time they class that as race over... but a red flag restart would not include the drivers that crashed out. I am not totally against restarts but i think the general consensus to restarts is that if we know that we get a 2nd chance chances are people will drive more dangerously.. having a no restart policy tries to ensure that people take extra care not to cause an incident in the first place, otherwise you will just end your race and probably end others race too.

i would love to be able to write the solution to first lap incidents, or possible ways to make them happen less.. but the reality is that if people don't practise, then there are going to be accidents..

I fully agree with Chris.
Why restart the race? I also do not even know if it's allowed (or common/good-sense) to spamming the restart vote while the others are racing.

At each race we are saying that the tracks are dangerous, always on the forum. I wonder how they are only 4-5 pilots to make training on a server in the days preceded the race.
It would perhaps make obligatory at least 30-40 laps of traning.

Qual: these pilots who do no training and going slow, or worse still don't know the track, then you find them on the track during the few (15) minutes of Qual. It's like rolling dice with only 15 mins. It is advisable to increase or do the access at only pilots who have trained during the week.

If you don't like the F1 of 60s and these tracks, do not take part at this championship, easy.  ;)

I think I’m with Manteos on this one, with such a pile up taking out half the grid within a few corners it should have been a restart. But somebody needs to be delegated with that responsibility and have the power to do so. It’s pretty rare here for us to need that thankfully but tonight was one of them.
But I do also think everyone shouldn’t go so mad on such a narrow tricky track on the opening few corners. Leave a little space and you get a little room to avoid any mishaps ahead. Easier said than done, I know  :)
Maybe create a rule that those who don’t set practise times on stracker or before the race must start at the back and leave a gap on lap 1  :-\

I actually managed to avoid the carnage only to get a rear nerf into the hay bales   :P then at the next fast corner I touched the brakes as normal only to get speared off hard into the scenery so assume something got broken by the fairly light hit  :-\

Just my 5 cents
50 laps min. of practice on server during the week before the race.
At race day. 15 mins of practice, 35 of qual and the the rest of the time as race.
No partecipation at the race day if haven't complete the 50 laps. I and Fabri tested in a little champ series some months ago with these rules, and worked very well.

@ ChrisR spot on mate

@Chris.

I was referreing in particular at the years in which teams had a back-up car ready to race inside the box. The restart of the race was frequent. However at the times of Clark there were no such back-up cars, so 'historically' speaking you are right.

However guys, it's not a shame to ask for a restart after such a carnage. I'm the first to say that chatting during a race is annoying, but after watching a carnage like this the race lost completely sense. If there was a bit of common sense the race would have been restarted. Nobody die if for 1 time we restart a race. I'm not saying that this must be the routine like in the EACC championship in which the first three races were restarted for two or three times each. That was a shame.
This time the grid wasn't really big, and if more than half of the driver got involved in an incident I guess it's not spamming on the chat to ask for a restart, but is a matter of common sense. Nobody answered apart from Maikel, so the distrub was not so intense and you can punish me for the subsequent 4 races that, in any case, I will not join  ::)

After reading your word Fabri & Chris, I don't think you will get more people involved in this champ. If people simply don't have time to make some training we cannot blame them. We have choosen really difficult tracks for this car and it's not a car that you can approach with 15 minutes like I did at Monaco, in which I torpedoed the poor Simon. Yesterday I spent the first hour of training only to understand where I had to brake, crashing for 45 minutes without finishing a SINGLE lap. Than I had to spend another couple of hours to complete an entire stint without crashing every lap. The majority of the people do not have all this time, and the last 3 races starting by Monaco had been a destruction derby for me. Why spend again time on training when in the last 3 races I managed to complete 4 laps?

That would be surely lack of common sense.  :D

Under the circumstances is a re run out of the question?

Yes ! Because its not a very fun combo! Lol

I think if 1 incident was responsible for wiping out the grid then fine, a restart may of been acceptable, but if you watch the replay you will notice it was a collection of different incidents caused by, and i will be frank, incompetance

Lets just run with whatever the rules say..

Rules state this:

The race will not be restarted unless there are extraordinary circumstances such as a mass disco or a pileup involving more than 50% of the field.

However, I do agree with Chris that having a restart as backup could get people to take more risks.

I'll need to check how I can manage a restart. Maybe set the number of votes to more than 50% of the drivers, so they have to start a vote and then all agree to restart. Abuse of that will obviously be penalized. Suggestions are welcome tho.

We have very efficient virtual marshals - they are able to clear up all accidents before the cars come around on their next lap. No need for restarts ;)

That settles that then.  :)

A restart was the only sensible option last night, hours of practice for nothing, some of us do put the time in contrary to what's said on here, is it a rule we have to do our praccy on the server :nono: :nono:

Sort of enjoyed this one, had done lots of practice, mostly to get a setup that wouldn't spin me
off into the bush at every braking area. Seriously embarrassed by spearing Sutol... phone lit
up with a txt, which distracted me, and I counted the wrong 2 marker posts after the guy with
the red flag approaching the last corner.......... result - I had no chance of stopping, thought
I would just miss everyone and fly down the excape road, but sadly did make contact.

Entirely my fault of course,  :hang: Having driven 3 hrs to get home for this I may not have been
at my best anyway... I have grown to like these cars very much, they are awkward
but with a safe setup, are a load of fun. IMHO.

BTW, people talk about esc to pits for repairs and then continuing. I GTL if you esc, you esc out
of the race, and can't get back in. Last night I got caught up in some trackside furniture
and bent the steering so badly that I had to quit, how do you esc for repairs and then continue?

@ Matt this happens I think.

Wow, this isn't a thread I've ever read here before!

Esc > return to pits > wait x seconds until you gain control > carry on your merry way.

I disagree, i dont think a restart is ever the answer, whats happens if you restart and the same happens again? Another restart? Then another? I think if over 75% vote to restart within lap 1 then by order of the masses a restart is probably warrentied... i think first and foremost, we need to discourage careless driving, some people last night were just oblivious to their surrounding or were too eager for the first lap.. some people put many laps in to practise and were wiped out, unfortunatly, thats the nature of the beast when it comes to racing.

I’ve had ideas about rolling starts where you are not allowed to overtake and the leader effectively starts the race from lap2.. how this would work in reality is unknown. But it may reduce some of that initial eagerness which leads to incidents.

Sincerely, all these controversies do not make much sense.
As mentioned by Chris, the incident under the bridge is not only 1 but at least 2 or more.

I was in 6th position at that time (I started very bad), I saw the accident ahead of me, and I managed to avoid it. So I don't understand how the pilots behind me (that were already away from me) might have not seen and had trouble with this incident.

These tights were at Donington and Monaco, and roughly involved the same pilots, maybe it's just a case ...

I'm not sure if it is allowed spamming the restart-vote. With "spamm" i intend to request it for about 2-3 laps. Pretty shameful.

If we are doing sim racing, the races are these,
if you do an accident, or if you go at wall, you're out, simple.

Unnecessary and rather sad polemics.

We used rolling starts quite a lot in GTR2 and we're using them n some of the current RRE events. It certainly seems to help cut down 1st laps issues. Helps more when the cars have a pit limiter to ensure everyone is at the same speed.

Still of the opinion a restart would have been best last night. I completely understand the point of view of the fast drivers who are very rarely involved in the first lap incidents, they are more than not ever involved. Having said that, what went on last night really does not give us " incompetent" drivers much incentive to carry on with Wed night racing. Sometimes common sense has to prevail.

That was not a good race and I have to apologise for the pile up I created inadvertently.

I got caught up in the first incident under the bridge. I saw two cars spinning in front of me and I tried to brake to avoid it. But unfortunately I got bumped from behind and I was thrown into the wall under the bridge. That damaged my car and in the next corner I turned the wheel but the car went straight into a pole. That made my car stop perpendicular to the race track and the guys behind could not avoid me.

After that my car was thrown into the fence and I got stuck with lots of red and yellow parts on the car status graphic. I had to go back to pits and start again... and wait for 74 seconds. It seemed like an eternity. Not much I could do after that. I tried to push to see if I could catch someone, but this races are quite short and I only gain places when other people gave up or had to go to pits after crashing. 6th place was not that bad, in championship terms, after such a bad start.

Regarding the starts and restarts, I also think we should restart because of racing incidents. Those are part of racing and we should have to learn to drive so that we try to avoid them. I for one still have a lot to learn  ;D

One thing we could do is have practice starts. I saw that in other competitions where everybody knew that the first (or first two) start(s) were test ones and the race would be restarted after half a lap, or a full lap. At least this can be used for everyone to test how the car behaves and what brake distances are needed with full race fuel in the middle of the pack. Just an idea :)

If I'm honest, from what I saw, it was just 1 big unfortunate event. Due to the narrow nature of the track and the place where the incidents happened, it quickly became a lot worst than it would have been somewhere else.

But if people see others make the same mistake over and over again, please report it. If nobody bothers to report, I don't see the real severity of it.

It was a blanket statement and no way directed at you personally.

You was a victim of incompetance in this race bob, i dont recall you doing anything incompetant anyway. But you have got to understand that just because im a fast driver it doesnt mean i dont see the situation for what it is,  But there does seem to be a trend that the faster drivers tend to cause less accidents regardless of starting position on the grid. Be it down to experience, awareness or a 6th sense, i dont know. Im not saying it never happens of cause, ive had some doosies with jeffery myself.. some myfault, some his (mostly his ;)) (joke jeffery!!) and i have made some poor judgements too, but that is the nature of the beast when there is a big skill gap between drivers..

We have discussed this before in that if a skilled driver has one car and a lower skilled driver has another you are bunched up into respective classes and you can be surrounded by people of your own skill level. How you determine the skillset of a player can be done multiple ways; on GTPlanet we used a star system, gold, silver and bronze and you had to complete several timed events and your time from the WR dictated your class.

Anyway, regardless of mine, yours or anyones opinion on the restarts, the rules clearly state that in this instance the race did not meet the criteria for a restart.

In my opinion (and based on series I've racing in and/or managed in GPL), Rolling starts and no passing zones just move the accident on a few corners and make the race feel scripted.
If a track is dangerous and you have a red zone, then you can still have no-fault accidents in the red zone just because someone puts a wheel wrong. We've never restarted races for that and are almost certain never to do so at GPL, we abandoned the no passing rule after trying it for this exact reason.

Also these old cars are fragile and dangerous - one of my biggest draws to GPL is that you have to drive with respect or you won't see the flag.
Half the challenge of this type of car is keeping it on the track and out of the scenery and opponents.
The mentality of 'I can crash heavily trying something unwise because we'll just restart' can and often will surface if you throw them for any old reason - no, it's not fair on the innocent victims but it is motor racing.

I disagree with any suggestion of people having to run x amount of laps in practice though. Most of us have more important things in real life stopping us, or like me, practice offline for the most part.

If a race really does need restarting that should be judged afterwards and the event re-run after the season - calling for restarted seasons mid-race helps no-one, especially those who kept their noses clean and are now in an unusually good spot.

If we sum up the driver involved in the 2 big crashes, we arrive at more than 50% of the field involved, so I guess that my request was out of the rules about chatting during race, but surely in line with a pileup that involved more than 50% of the field. I remain of my opinion that for once in the life even here at SROUK we could have restarted the race.

My request was surely due to my totally destroyed car after I could make no other thing that recollect on my way Felix's car two times in the round of 200 meters, WITHOUT ANY FAULT BY MY SIDE in both the episodes, I wanted to make it clear. Even if I did not make 50 laps but only 26, I was SURELY CAPABLE to stay safely on track this time, so I find the proposal of a minimum limit of laps pretty useless.
My only fault was to take part at the Monaco race without any training just to fill up the grid, and I deeply apologized to whom I ruined the race, Simon for instance, that usually prepare the race with ZERO laps.
Watching by the replay this time all started with the crash of the faster drivers racing in this champ and I see no fault by the people on the back of the pack, especially to those involved in my second crash with Felix after he hit a light pole. He is a human. Humans do mistake.

This car on these tracks it's simply too difficult for people that do not have time to have some proper training. The only interesting race for me so far has been on a modern track, Brands Hatch for instance. I don't see the point to continue discussing about things that people who race here should already know. I just invite you to watch the starts of the first three rounds of the Eurogamer Assetto Corsa Championship with the Lotus 98T, in which participated a lot of fast people all around the world. Guess what? They had to restart the race at least two times every event due to a huge amount of crashes even before the back marker managed to cross the start/finish line. And we are talking about people that is considered at PRO level on this game. There are cars not well suited for online races, and there are aswell track suited for online races. Jeffrey has been brave with the choice of the tracks, but the results are clear.
17 drivers managed to see the checkered flag at Brands Hatch and 12 at Zandvoort. Than we have an average of 8 people for the rest of the races. I do like statistics and numbers often are clearer than words.

I will come back for the 599XX Champ, hope you will enjoy the rest of the champ ;)

I don’t understand why several of you would just give up the series because you had a bad race?  ???  It was just a tough combination this week and there was unfortunately a series of incidents that caused mayhem too early...but it’s just one round, move on and enjoy the rest of the races.  :-*.
I think it’s been a great and challenging series and I’ve enjoyed plenty of racing in most rounds so far. Better than I expected it to be tbh.
This round was particularly tricky as I’ll wager 75% of have never raced at Longford and a lot of us get a bit busy this time of year, denying us more practise time.

If you can race then race, bigger grids are more fun  :)

The right answer for my case is 4 races in row during which I managed to complete a sum of 5 laps.


I was thinking the same before joining Monaco race. Than I torpedoed Simon and changed opinion.

Next season we will go ovals only  ;D

Its a bit telling when the guy organizing it doesnt want to run it anymore!

I missed so many races due to work that it feels like loose sand to me, like a bunch of fun races. That doesn't help motivation for practice :P.

I'm here for those cars and those tracks.

I like statistics too: in 7 races i had 0 accidents.

I agree with FullMetalGasket, "Half the challenge of this type of car is keeping it on the track and out of the scenery and opponents".

Green hell will be "interesting" Muhahahahahaha  :devil: :devil: :devil: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

Anyone who like statistics knows that a sample of just 1 element is simply UNRELEVANT, NON REPRESENTATIVE. You told a lie. You don't like statistics. ::)


In fact I told that we have quite lost the challenge. Am I completely wrong?

I've enjoyed all the races so far in this series. Great to race at these historic charismatic circuits. The car is a handful but once you've got to grips with its nuances it really is rewarding. Jeffrey, big thumbs up from me.

Just an aside, did you notice the old classic cars in the surrounding car parks? Loved that little touch :)

Are you kidding me?

I did no practice, I started last, I watched the carnage and did not create it and finished 3rd. It wasn't me doing no practice that caused any problems! It's really just as simple as these tracks are narrow, lap 1 could be run with more caution and it isn't and people aren't adjusting to cold brakes, cold tyres and other cars on the track.

If I haven't learnt the track enough by the time the race starts I wouldn't start. Lack of practice has nothing to do with it. Being sensible has everything to do with it.

Next track should be a bit easier.

Voting to restart is just annoying (sorry Matteo). Those of us that managed to avoid carnage (luck and experience and skill, in that order) is very annoying to ever see people asking for restarts. If we knew restarts were an option people would be even more cavalier than they already are! If SRou ever allows restarts for anything other than server problems count me out.

I actually think not practicing is advantage to having a clean start BECAUSE every lap i do i run on cold tyres and cold brakes so come race start I am more prepared to start with the same conditions than those that spend 15 minutes warming their car up to then find a completely different characteristic to deal with again. These cars, everyone should know by know are really difficult when cold (and pretty difficult when warm!).

One of the factors recently though are the tracks. Good for cars that weave all over the place and spend half their time sideways they are not (thanks yoda). They are way too narrow and long straights with very slow corners at the end with cars that have rubbish brakes are not good for racing. Did I enjoy driving on the tracks? Some of them, but they are incredibly likely to increase the number of incidents because of their very nature. You put these cars on a modern GP track with wide corners and this would not happen. As much as its nostalgic and all that, it's not good for racing.

Case closed, lesson learned, wiser to the next round :P

...managed to avoid the carnage because I had no other way to go except inside Felix car, and tapped him from behind. That tap unlocked the situation for those who were behind me and for myself... until I found Felix car again horizontal to the track 200 meters later.
If I had managed to brake and stop completely my car before the bridge somoene would have surely tapped me, nobody would have had the space necessary to pass in that situation. And it does makes no sense to stop completely a car at the first corner when you got 10 cars behind you.
I guess I did the best I could in that situation. Some people was lucky, not me. I don't think to be less experienced than a lot of driver here in avoiding crashes, and with the skill in that situations you can clean your bottom  ;D ;D

Just to clarify my opinion, I would prefer a re-run of a race when this situation arises, all my luck, experience and skill deserted me on Wed, meaning hours of practice done to avoid this scenario was in vain.  :yes:

IMHO because you can reset to pits, wait a penalty time, then set off
there is no need for restarts except for server crashes. If you are so eager that you cause
an incident you should expect to have some penalty. if you were a victim, then that
hurts, but it is not the end of the race for you. If it's a mass pile up, then others will
be restarting from the pits as well, so you will not be alone.

I simply thought that was not allowed to rejoin the race after a retire. So I quit. If it's allowed to do something like that, IMO it's worse than a restart.

Just my two cents.

I suspect there isn't a rule about it because when the rules were written this was never an option in the games that were used. I must admit I didn't know about it in AC until recently and maybe it can be turned off in server options?

I don't see the problem with people continuing to race. They'll probably be way behind, but at least they can have fun driving the car.

I had to wait for 74 seconds after the 1st lap crash and still finished 6th :)

That's surely an innovation  ::). Never seen a rule like this in any champ I raced in my entire life. The thing that surprises me more is that a restart option, something that even in real life is admitted (see the British GP of 2014), is not taken into consideration.
Instead a restart form the box after you crashed and pressed escape being teleported to pit you guess it's a good rule.

Life sometimes is strange. I thought we were talking about simulation ???

A simulator is used by professionals to train.
A game is used by amateurs for entertainment.
Everything else is marketing.

That implies having an independent adjudicator (i.e. someone not racing) who gives up their evening to give an impartial judgement on events quickly. I doubt anyone here wants Charlie's job for these rare events.

what happens when the simulator used to train professionals is the same game used by amateurs for enjoyment? should the world implode?

:wetfish:

I understand the point and you're right about this. Anyway I cannot link this to "It's allowed to retire and than rejoin the track after you retired". It's a nonsense. That is allowed in public lobby servers, places in which usually starts are Longford style ::)

I guess it's implicit in the meaning of the word "retire", that is different from putting yourself in a "leave of absence" from race.

At least this discussion could be a good chance to finally establish this rule. If CORE and all the other places in which I raced in my life say explicitly that you cannot rejoin after you press esc, I don't think that they're all crazy guys. I think there's an hole in your rules, as Simon already remarked.  :P

Im with manteos on the rejoining after esc..

Really, if we are trying to be serious then it shouldnot be allowed.. that said however i have never associated srouk as a serious racing league, more of a friendly, what happens happens, lets all cuddle etc kinda place..

In that enviroment i dont think that its such a bad thing being able to rejoin as it allows people to still racs..

Simulation? A series where we run 70% damage, 100% grip all the time, only 30 minute races. If it's hardcore simulation you want, you wouldn't be able to start the race as your car is wrecked from practice and after Rouen you'd be dead  :P. It's also not realistic to restart a race when you got wrecked so hard, your car looks like a dog chasing his tail. There were no T-cars back then and I don't think you'd be able to physically get back in a car.

Last Wednesday was a freak accident. I can't remember the first lap being like this, so it must be years ago. I don't expect it to happen anytime soon as well, and if you feel the driving standards were bad...R-E-P-O-R-T. Complaints of people who just shout on the forum and never take the time to actually file a complaint are not taken seriously on that matter.

Such incident packed first laps are rare, but they are the ideal opportunity for people to get on the podium who normally don't really have a chance.

I won't be implementing restarts, but ESC to pits will be allowed for now. But only in such freak accident cases, and not a way to just keep wrecking away. I don't want people to spend hours of practice, only for it to end after a few seconds, because somebody else's mistake. If you wreck yourself, it's race over, but if you were an unlucky victim and still want to continue and at least have some fun, then I'm fine with an ESC back to the pits. That person will be way behind which will be a penalty by itself.

I expect people to apply common sense to such leniency and not abuse it in any way. I don't want to start acting like a police officer and being nitpicky with rules. If it does get abused, I'll have to put on my moustache  :euro: