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Season 32 Historic Trophy – Round 3 - Road America

The third race in the Historic series takes us to Road America in the USA.  The track covers 640 acres (2.6 km2) within Wisconsin’s Kettle Moraine. It is near the Kettle Moraine Scenic Drive and has hosted races since September 1955. It currently hosts over 400 events a year. Road America has not been modified and retains its original configuration of 4.048 miles (6.515 km) in length and consisting of 14 turns. The track features many elevation changes, along with a long front stretch where speeds approaching 200 mph (320 km/h) may be reached. One of the best known features of this course is a demanding right hand turn known as "the kink." Road America's open seating allows spectators to venture throughout the grounds. Grandstands are available in several locations, as well as permanent hillside seating where crowds of more than 150,000 can be accommodated.

Race List	=	IGOR
Server	=	UKGPL_4
IP Address	=	2.24.206.249
Race date	=	22-10-2017
GPL mod	=	66F1
60fps patch used	=	60fpsV2newmod
Track	=	Road America Elkhart Lake (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=11724)
Qualification	=	20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race	=	race starts at ~21:30 UK time
Race length	=	~50 min -> 20 laps
Damage Model	=	PRO
Replay	=	here (ftp://ftp.ukgpl9.co.uk:32122/Season32/Historics)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists and divisional rules can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=618&theme=6)

Only reported incidents will be moderated, there is no Red Zone.

Handicapping and chassis allocation.
This season the Historics will be using a token system which allows drivers to purchase any chassis of their choice, 2 litre or 3 litre, for a given number of tokens as published on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=618&theme=6). Drivers classed as Amateurs will be allocated an additional 10 tokens.  The token allocation will not be managed in SRou this season so (unlike the 67F1 Works and 67F1 Privateer divisions) the tokens available to each driver will not appear in the championship table (when the mouse pointer is hovered over the driver's total).  Rather, the available tokens will be published in the race announcement.  See below.

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver	Tokens	Status
AnGex	6	Pro
Arf Arf Arf	10	Pro
Billy Nobrakes	23	Am
DLogan	14	Pro
Doni Yourth	22	Pro
EvilClive	16	Pro
francesco	19	Am
FullMetalGasket	16	Pro
MagicArsouille	1	Pro
Phil Thornton	18	Am
Rainier	23	Am
bagrupp	14	Am
fpolicardi	16	Am
Gareth	19	Am
JonnyO	20	Am
Robert Fleurke	10	Pro
Ronniepeterson	24	Pro
Lalethor	2	Pro
Cookie	7	Pro
Syd Drake	20	Pro
Geoff65	20	Am
Kai J.Daum	20	Am

Normally the server don't start before the 22 central Europe time,but tomorrow there is the Austin GP.Is possible to postpone a 20 min (edventually)?

I have just given myself a really nasty scare!!!  :o :o :o

Read the list of fastest times at the top of the post and ,  McLaren M2B....2:10 secs??!!??!!!?!??!?!  :eek: :eek: :eek: How did Greg achieve that sort of pace in the 66 McLaren???

Once my heart rate had returned to normal I looked again, and realised that it actually said M1B, one of the Can Am cars.

Phew!!! I can do without shocks like that at my age!! :wheelchair: :scooter:

Hmmm...  Any support for the notion to put this race back an hour such that today's running of the USGP from COTA will most likely be finished by post time?

I'll extend qualifying by 25 mins.  That will give everyone a chance to join after the COTA race is over.  Won't be much time to qualify but don't want to delay the race too long.

OK, Phil.  TYVM, amigo.

Thank you Phil

Since VCRs were a thing, I haven't watched a sporting event (that I cared about) live unless I was there in person.

The ability to hit pause to deal with the inevitable disturbance, toilet break, whatever, without missing any of the action, let alone rewinding to see exactly what happened, add so much to the experience. Of course, it means spending half my Sundays in a no-media-in-case-spoilers bubble until I get a chance to watch, but that's a negligible price to pay (no Jalopnik until after 8 pm? oh noooes) for sooo much gain.

If you're not there live and in person, it doesn't matter to you how delayed your viewing is (as long as you avoid the above-mentioned spoilers, ofc). The results will still be "news" in your universe.

But go ahead and re-arrange my schedule without asking and on little notice because you can't adapt to 40-year-old technical advancements.

Especially for a race where "Hamilton to win and take the championship" wouldn't even pay anywhere near to even money.

/rant

I need to join via IP. can you please provide ?

From Igor, 95.147.229.207

Sorry Cookie.  :-[

(and anyone else affected)

Will report and take punishment.

edit: report submitted

Impossible for me to race,also this time 1and half lap and engine explosion.I don't beleve in the bad luck but also don't beleve to have a too aggresive driving.I think to have something wrong in my potentiometer.

I've loaded the chassis the drivers used into the token calculator spreadsheet.  For the next race the available tokens will be as declared in the table below (the table will also appear in the next race announcement).  The calculated values are automated but selecting the cars is a manual process so please check your tokens to make sure I haven't made a silly error.  There was no token overspend for this round so no one is disqualified.

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver	Tokens	Status
AnGex	4	Pro
Arf Arf Arf	10	Pro
Billy Nobrakes	21	Am
DLogan	14	Pro
Doni Yourth	25	Pro
EvilClive	16	Pro
francesco	19	Am
FullMetalGasket	16	Pro
MagicArsouille	3	Pro
Phil Thornton	23	Am
Rainier	21	Am
bagrupp	14	Am
fpolicardi	14	Am
Gareth	26	Am
JonnyO	20	Am
Robert Fleurke	10	Pro
Ronniepeterson	31	Pro
Lalethor	9	Pro
Cookie	7	Pro
Syd Drake	20	Pro
Geoff65	20	Am
Kai J.Daum	20	Am

Please count me as fifth. I had a big lag.

Sorry to hear you're still having trouble.

Do you have any other racing games or sims that are also subject to engine problems? Do you grenade engines more than other people do in those? Not saying you do, just exploring possibilities.

Checked server replay.  You had a bad lag over the line on lap 15 which dropped you a lap.  Results corrected.

I saw in my replay that there was a lot of warping by almost all the cars, I hope it wasn't me because I had Q bar at 890 in the first part of the race.

@Francesco. Puoi controllare nel tuo replay con GPL Replay Analyzer le temperature del motore e il numero di giri max?

Great race with Dony BRM, nobody of us did a mistake so 20 laps of pure fun. Commiseration to Clive for the engine fault.

Gret pace by Tristan as always.
Ciao

No i don't have other racing game.I have doubt on my potentiometer that is not original.Until now i have had 2 explosion with the Lancia at B.A, one smoke with with the Connaught at Monaco.With the 66 explosion with the Cooper lap 4 at Rouen and yesterday.Zeltweg does not matter  due to an incident at lap7 with Phil(my oversight).So,until now there is no race without engine problems.Different the situation with the 67.Here i have had explosion only during qualyfication.

lo faro',anche se e' gia stato fatto per Rouen senza evidenti differenze, paragonando con le stesse macchine sul circuito(Dave R and Andread G).

Nothing to check Fulvio,I was wrong(and angry) writing 1,5 laps, was less than 1 lap so no data into  GPL Replay Analyzer

thank you

Unlike Fran, I think I know why my engine failed on Lap 2.  I had done a few laps practice earlier in the day just to be sure that I had the correct version of the circuit etc. What I had not allowed for was Fulvio's monster Maserati.
 The extra power of his car just blew past me on the back straight on the first lap and I tucked in behind him to pick up the tow......... a bad move! When we reached the S/F straight I was right on Fulvio's exhaust pipes out of the final corner........another bad move!! because I had failed to gear my car to allow for being towed along in the slipstream. By the end of the straight the red needle was banging on the max revs stop and I should have guessed what would soon happen.

When I downshifted too soon into T2 I expected the engine to explode and was relieved when it somehow held together, but as I pushed on the gas down the back straight...everything went quiet and that was the end of my race  :-\

Grats to Tris ( I almost chose the Brab BRM myself..wish that I had now  :( )  Well driven Fulvio and Doni for a great race long duel.

Fran I looked into your fastest quali lap,
GPLRA shows your shifting revs up to 7300min! The car wants a gear change at ~6500min  ::)

I have done a test to understand if my driving style is wrong.Same car ,same track, same driving style and realistic damage .Results 16 laps without problem and with a time around 2,25 (more or less) and,obviously,i'm more angry.The only thing noticed during the races(both Rouen and Road A.)is a sort of slow-down of the reaction of the command ,despite a good FPS. ???

Fran have you saved your test laps?
Now take the rpy into GPLRA and look with the gearchange analyzer for the avg upshifting revs...

Yes Axel,but since i don't know how to upload a zip here i sent you a message with the zip at the Repository.

You are reving too high...
(http://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/bc17cb-1508757601.jpg) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=bc17cb-1508757601.jpg)

Look at my fastest lap in quali rpy... ~ 6600min

(http://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/ec23ac-1508758068.jpg) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=ec23ac-1508758068.jpg)

A nice fighting with Alesandro and Andreas, was really fun with me being faster in the corners and them on  the straights.

Sorry for last lap incident but you went back to the line under breaking, that was too close. Good you could go on, my GPL destroyed your engine.

Grats to all finishers and cya one more next ;) then i'm away for 6 weeks.

At first thank you for the help Axel.One question is :how i can set-up the revs?With longer gear? in this case ,also with the high revs,i was able to do 16 laps without explosion,in the race only 3/4 of lap.

Quick question - how do you know about the ~6500...?
Do you just know/can feel the car's pain, or previous experience of blowing them up,  or maybe it's documented somewhere?!

I'm thinking that maybe other cars in other series may have their own similar limitations...?
(I normally just change up around 2-3 o'clock, but maybe that's typically ok at non-realistic damage?)

Cheers,
Dave.

In GPL game look at the Team Info screen. It has some basic info about the car you have selected, including max revs. For example the Brabham 67 is 8200 whereas the Eagle is something like 10,000. The red sweep hand will go higher than the engine is designed for, particularly in lower gears.
You can go a little over but GPL adds up all the stress in the engine. I guess that Pro settings are more likely to fail than intermediate.

Yep, exactly what Billy says!

You can also look into the diagramm of the setup manager of "torque and horsepower vs RPM"

You can exeed the RPM at max power a little,
but you can see that the green HP curve falls massive, so better shift up to a RPM where is high torque and better acceleration.

Just manage to set the gears like in the pic, to not have a gap in the green lines of the other diagramm  ;)

Billy is quite correct, each time you exceed max revs the engine is damaged.

This includes speedshifts ( upshifting without lifting off the gas) or downshifting too early ( the engine is forced to over rev ). The damage suffered is minimal when GPL is set to "Novice", getting increasingly dangerous as you move up to "PRO".

So, always lift your right foot at each gearchange, when accelerating up through the gearbox and check the rev counter during your practice laps when you downshift for a corner.

Some cars are also more fragile than others. I will leave you to work out which cars need careful treatment  ;)


Some  simple rules for setting your gear ratios.

On any track when you are lapping on your own, the rev counter should be just below the red line at the end of the longest straight.
But ( something that I actually forgot in the 66 race!!) you have to allow for higher speeds when you are slipstreaming someone, because your car will attain a higher speed and your engine will rev faster too. So maybe 5th gear needs to be lengthened by a click ( or two?). Only testing will prove what you need to do.

Once you have your 5th ( or in some cases 6th gear ) set for the fastest part of the track you can adjust the other gears.
The second ratio that I set is 1st gear. Try a start with race fuel. Did the car bog down? or did the engine scream at the rev limit?  Ideally you want a smooth acceleration without too much wheelspin and without hitting the rev limit immediately. It might mean that you need to shift into 2nd very quickly to avoid over revving.

Next spread the other ratios so that the engine is always giving max torque ( like Axel showed above). The only thing that I would add is that the gaps between the ratios can be slightly larger between 1st and 2nd, with each gap getting smaller as you move up to 5th. This is because the engine has to work harder at high speeds and slightly closer ratios will help keep things accelerating.

Some tracks ( like Le Sarthe ) are specials and you might set 5th gear extra long to avoid maxxing out the revs down Mulsanne, or Monaco where you might want to set special ratios to better suit those tight corners.

I honestly had no idea about that;  of course I never need to look at that page - that's all selected via GEM!



Thanks for the helpful replies guys!

My own general rule is to not rev more than 500rpm beyond the max power engine speed as shown in the teams page.
There are some situations when you really need to where I'll rev higher, also some cars work better when doing this.
But generally there is no advantage in doing so.

I've also run with 2 '1st' gears once or twice on tracks that required it  ;D

All the arguments are right but if i open DIView i read unstable value on my faster pedals under faster pedalIME buffered.the value of X axis and  acceleration is always in movement.I can't show this in the forum because i'm not able to load pictures or films but something wrong exist in my pedal.Please Axel,sorry to bother you again,but look at the picture sent to you in the Repositiory mail.

Sorry to say, but those potentiometers are just worn out...

I started with a Momo, the wheel is a good one but the pedals are lousy constructed! And the potis are even worse...
Why not look for a used G25/27 pedals or a thrustmaster wich can be used as separate device...

As written in other posts i look more high.The pedals are not the Logitech but are Faster Pedal with a non original potentiometer.
The original is already destroyed.So to avoid other problem with potentiometer i think to spend a lot of money buying the Fanatec pedal that use loading cell.Is a lot of money but i hope to solve the problems for a long time.

My internet was unstable during this week end, I preferred to start in last position to avoid problems at some drivers in the traffic in the first laps when the risk was high with lag, after I tried to battle only with maximum one or two car nearby, some overtake and some mistake permitted me to finish on 4th position on this very beautiful track