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Title: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 16, 2017, 01:34:53 PM +0000
Championship Standings here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=575&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (14 laps)

Track: Le Mans 1960 Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/file/8y18xf9r19359r8/LeMans60_GTL_V2_0.7z/file). And add this FILE (http://www.mediafire.com/file/ex5euca4x39x1gt/60_LEMANS_GTL_AIW_UPDATE_v2_0_by_philrob.rar/file)

Cars allowed

AC Ace Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_ac_ace)
Aston Martin DBR1 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_aston_dbr1)
Aston Martin DBR2 (includes GTC-65 class fix) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_aston_dbr2)
Austin Healey 100 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_healey100s)
Ferrari 250 Testarossa Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_ferrari_250tr)
Ferrari 375+ Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_ferrari_375plus)
Jaguar D-Type (1955) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_jag_dtype)
Jaguar D-Type (1957) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_jag_dtype)
Maserati 450S (4.5) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_maserati_450s)
Maserati 450S (5.7) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_maserati_450s)
Mercedes 300SL (LM55) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_merc_300sl_lm55)
Mercedes 300SL (Gullwing) Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/file/x24qm4qekj4mz15/mercedes300slCoupe.zip/file)
Mercedes 300SLR Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_merc_300slr)

Car restrictions: None

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: 2x
Pit stops: Required

Server: simracing.org.uk Wednesday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: This race is started by a flagman who doesn't have a flag! Strongly suggest that Auto-countdown is enabled.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Dominick on November 24, 2018, 05:46:16 PM +0000
Just pushing this up to 1st page for future reference. It's not like I'm already practicing here.  :angel:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 09, 2018, 05:59:17 PM +0000
IMPORTANT

This race is started by a flagman who doesn't have a flag! Strongly suggest that Auto-countdown is enabled.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: EvilClive on December 09, 2018, 09:37:27 PM +0000
Ooooh, c'mon Tony it's Christmas!!  we can have a collection and buy the poor man a flag???   ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: EvilClive on December 11, 2018, 04:21:20 PM +0000
I thought that maybe I should check the pit stop at Le Mans when I checked the server/cars etc this afternoon.

I have a question.

Obviously there is a pitlane speed limit, but do we have to enter the pitlane at the very beginning ( by the flag marshall and lights ) and after tyres/fuel etc can we swing straight back onto the track? or must we trundle to the very end of the pitlane??


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 11, 2018, 05:15:01 PM +0000
I thought that maybe I should check the pit stop at Le Mans when I checked the server/cars etc this afternoon.

I have a question.

Obviously there is a pitlane speed limit, but do we have to enter the pitlane at the very beginning ( by the flag marshall and lights ) and after tyres/fuel etc can we swing straight back onto the track? or must we trundle to the very end of the pitlane??
Enter before the flag marshal and exit after the flag marshal (but I will test this now).

EDIT: It seems Ok to re-enter the racing tarmac with limiter ON after your pit service finishes, so you do not have to go down the entire pit lane after your stop.

But if you get a S/G it's not my fault


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: EvilClive on December 11, 2018, 05:49:43 PM +0000
OK Tony.  ;)

Let's keep this little shortcut just between ourselves. :shifty: :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

EDIT

Tony, I was mulling things over about this and I think that all drivers should travel the FULL pitlane to keep everything fair.

If drivers enter the pits at the same point and use the speed limiter to reach their crew, complete the tyres/fuel change and then are allowed to move immediately back onto the racing tarmac and up to max speed, there is a huge advantage for a car that has the first spot in the pitlane? A driver that gets the final pitbox along such an extended pitlane, will spend far longer controlled by the speed limiter ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Bob M. on December 12, 2018, 02:34:23 PM +0000
While on the subject of pits, have been practicing with the Massey and it has  no pit speed limiter.  If you are going to use this beast, be careful with the throttle.  I think the pit speed is about 55-58KPH, works for me.....BTW,,,,made a full 14 laps against the AI yesterday with just a couple of minor scrapes with the walls and vegatation, a first for me!!!!  Their is hope.
Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: SpecialKS on December 12, 2018, 02:49:55 PM +0000
Love this version of the track - especially in these cars  :)
Not yet decided which one to take - the "small" Mazzer or the DBR2. Maserati is much faster but also much more difficult to drive.

Looking forward to this one.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 12, 2018, 02:58:44 PM +0000
While on the subject of pits, have been practicing with the Massey and it has  no pit speed limiter.  If you are going to use this beast, be careful with the throttle.  I think the pit speed is about 55-58KPH, works for me.....BTW,,,,made a full 14 laps against the AI yesterday with just a couple of minor scrapes with the walls and vegatation, a first for me!!!!  Their is hope.
Bob M.
Bob, my Massa 5.7 (#66) has a working limiter. You need to go to your Maserati folder and find two files, Maserati 450S_45.hdc & Maserati 450S_57.hdc. Using Notepad open these files and scroll to the heading "[Engine]".
Change this SpeedLimiter=0                      // Whether a pitlane speed limiter is available to this SpeedLimiter=1                      // Whether a pitlane speed limiter is available

Now you should have a working limiter providing you have assigned a button to turn it on/off.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 12, 2018, 03:01:26 PM +0000
OK Tony.  ;)

Let's keep this little shortcut just between ourselves. :shifty: :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

EDIT

Tony, I was mulling things over about this and I think that all drivers should travel the FULL pitlane to keep everything fair.

If drivers enter the pits at the same point and use the speed limiter to reach their crew, complete the tyres/fuel change and then are allowed to move immediately back onto the racing tarmac and up to max speed, there is a huge advantage for a car that has the first spot in the pitlane? A driver that gets the final pitbox along such an extended pitlane, will spend far longer controlled by the speed limiter ???
I guess there might be a small advantage to be had but it's a long track so I don't imagine it will make a lot of difference. I will leave it to the individual driver's sense of fair play. I will use the entire pit lane (obviously).


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Dominick on December 12, 2018, 08:09:12 PM +0000
So disappointed but I can't join. For some reason I now get dizzy when racing. No clue why. Issue #467 on the medical chart.
Have fun all. I'm definitely going to watch the replay from every position so behave!  ;)

<sigh>


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: EvilClive on December 12, 2018, 09:32:07 PM +0000
Stoopid game  ??? lol

Got a SnG after my pitstop for "speeding in pit lane"  ??? :o Found that a little unlikely but OK next lap will take the grief, after pitstop I still had 30 sec lead so no probs.
Extremely careful for SnG speed limiter on long way before pitlane...pull in 23 sec stop. Ease away out onto tarmac and release limiter when I am completely on race track ( Ziu speeds past at this point start of lap 12)
Ok no probs fresh tyres and 5.7 litres of angry Mazzer to hunt him down. Just about to swing onto the  Mulsanne 4 secs behind Ziu … and "SnG speeding in pitlane"   ??????????  I'm afraid I just lost the plot at tha point and was going to ignore it, but realised that I would probably get a DQ.   :-\


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: roguk on December 12, 2018, 09:40:49 PM +0000
Bad luck Clive, i came into pits before flag man and went the whole pit lane before exiting.

Grats Ziu on win.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 12, 2018, 10:01:24 PM +0000
Results and replay now posted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 12, 2018, 10:12:29 PM +0000
Well that's the end of the Fifties Endurance Series so lets congratulate our Champion

1st - Erling G-P  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

2nd - Ziu Bacubacu  :clap: :clap:

3rd - Geoffers  :thumbup2:

Well done Drivers and thanks for taking part.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on December 13, 2018, 07:31:16 AM +0000
Just i can say which i drove all 14 laps with a damaged car after that Dan threw me on guard rail of Esses. My engine not worked well expacially i feel it on Hunaudieres, i not could lapping Tony on long straight he helped me (thanks Tony) he slow down and on normal condition not should be so and my right side was destroied like is possible see on replay i had some problems to right turns. All this to say which the different between me and Clive was 2 seconds every laps and some times more. Normally i think we could heve a race with more fun.

Grats to Erling for title and Grats to Geoffers for podium

Very Grtas to Roger, nice drive !


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: SpecialKS on December 13, 2018, 10:30:40 AM +0000
One perfect lap in quali with 3.47,8 in the "small" Maserati made me very happy.

Unfortunately I missed my braking point early in the race when trying to pass Geoffers at the end of Hunaudières  ::)
After that I had massive problems concerning steering and braking which couldn't be cured by an early pit stop 
and the car still went only 280 kph on the straight  :(
So I had to leave after half distance  :P

Congratulations to Erling for the championship and Ziu & Geoffers for podium.

Big Thanks to Tony and all involved in organizing this series.

Still really like theses cars  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: EvilClive on December 13, 2018, 10:46:00 AM +0000
Grats to Ziu, Rog and Dan on the podium and to Erling for the championship.

After a night's sleep the red mist has cleared and I am not feeling quite so frustrated.  ::) Apologies for my emotional post last night  :(

I think it was just that I was enjoying what is just about my favourite car in GTL, on a circuit where it can really stretch it's legs, and on top of that I had found a setup that actually worked for me.
As pre race posts indicated I had tried  a couple of practice pitstops, although I had not done a full race run. I was relying on the indicated laps available on a tank of fuel which showed 10.4, so I needed to add 40% of a full tank to complete the final 4 laps...simples. I think the longest run that I did was around 5 laps in offline practice, just to see how much rubber this monster would chew through and I decided that one set of tyres would actually last the whole race, so that was my plan. Full tanks off the grid and a splash and dash for the final 4 laps on worn tyres. I figured that not taking tyres would save around 30 secs on a pitstop and I could afford to be 5 secs a lap slower for the final 4 laps and still be ahead on time.

However ...... when Ziu bogged down at the start and I suddenly found myself propelled into the lead ( with gentle encouragement from Dan at T1  ;) ) I had to try and build a gap to prevent Ziu getting back into my slipstream  :o. It soon became obvious that Ziu was not running at full pace and I wondered if he was trying to squeeze a whole race from one tank of fuel. I had worked out that with a featherlight right foot and major short shifting it might just be possible to reach 13+ laps, but abandoned it as too risky. I was extending the gap by about 1.5-2 secs a lap and when Ziu pitted around lap 8 I was suddenly 80+ secs ahead.
By the time we got to the end of lap 10 I had a 90 sec advantage and although I still reckon the tyres would last until the end I figured "why risk it?". Tyres and fuel would cost me around 65 secs? and still leave a healthy lead for the final 4 laps, and I would have fresh rubber if I needed to up the pace.

The pitstop actually went well for me and I was feeling quite chuffed as I eased back onto the track and powered away still with a 30 secs lead  ;D. I was shocked to get a SnG penalty just before I swung on to the straight and almost made my first mistake in the race  :o. OK nail this out lap and I can still do the penalty and be back out for a final 4 lap duel with Ziu.....Except when I did an ultra cautious SnG I got another penalty just before the Mulsanne again. :cursing: :cursing:

I had thought that by entering the pits on the speed limiter, making the stop and then getting back onto the racing tarmac before releasing the speed limiter, all would be OK with the GTL gods. I had assumed that the speed limit only applied if you were actually in the pitlane and once I was out onto the track I was free to use max velocity?
 I am guessing that my pre race post was erroneous and that I was at liberty to get back on the race track, but I would still have to engage the speed limiter until I reached a point alongside the marshall at the end of the pitlane??  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Geoffers on December 13, 2018, 11:13:51 AM +0000
Satisfied with my race in the Aston, in fact 4th was better than I expected but that was only because a few dropped out or had problems.

As I have said before I have never been able to drive the Big Massers, just can't keep them on the track, so never even bothered to try them for this race. So it was straight choice between the DBR2 & the Ferrari 375, a few laps in each showed that the Aston was slightly faster & easier to drive so I went with that even though the Fezza had a bigger tank & would need a shorter fuel stop. My start was good & with several Massers falling over each other through the first few corners I was actually up to 3rd going on to the Mulsanne Straight. Power told though & Ziu, Rog & Bob soon put me back where I belonged before Kurt closed in at the end of the straight but outbraked himself & took Bob with him. Tony was right on my tail by Indianapolis but by the time we reached the S/F straight he was nowhere to be seen. After that the only cars I saw were stopped at the pits, so it was a fairly lonely but nonetheless quite enjoyable race with no mistakes.

Congrats to Ziu, Rog & Dan.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

And congrats to Erling & Ziu on the top two championship positions.  :notworthy: :notworthy:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: seniordan on December 13, 2018, 02:30:00 PM +0000
My race had a promising start, managed to torpedo Clive in T1 and squeeze Ziu into the barrier in T2 ! I am afraid both of them weren't too happy about it themselves !My sincerest apologies gents.
I feel sorry for the amount of bad luck Clive had to take. His pace was far superior to ours and I think he deserved to win this one. On the other hand what if….I hadn't knocked the pace out of Ziu's car in T2….?
A big Thumbs up for Roger, excellent pace, very consistent and a very cunning pit strategy. Hats off Sir.
Apart from the start my own race wasn't very eventful but good fun as always.
Thanks, Tony for this great series and congrats to Erling for winning the trophy.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Erling G-P on December 13, 2018, 03:20:26 PM +0000
Knocked a couple of secs off my pb in qual, so happy with that.  The start was a repeat of what is fast becoming an annoyingly regular habit: I outqualify Dan - just, only to lose the position promptly to his lightning starts.   He then tangled with Ziu leading up to Tertre Rouge, and I got squeezed in the process, giving Geoffers the opportunity to slip past.  Next I ran a bit wide at Tertre Rouge, hitting the dunes which spun the car round.  Rejoined last and next came upon a recovering Kurt & Bob at Mulsanne Corner.  Ran a bit wide through the corner, accidentally breaking a headlight on Bob's car.  Dunno if that ticked him off, or whatever else explains his driving at Indianapolis, but suffice to say, I got booted into oblivion.  Race then over before I could complete even one lap.  Not really the end to this series I had hoped for.

Grats to Ziu on the win, Clive for almost winning, Roger & Dan for filling the podium, and to Ziu & Geoff for grabbing the remaining silverware in the Championship.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: SpecialKS on December 13, 2018, 06:58:38 PM +0000
Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/60LeMans_12122018)

8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Bob M. on December 13, 2018, 08:06:39 PM +0000
Bad one for me but then I didn't have very high expectations.  Got bumped and it messed my suspension up.  No Erling, had no hard feelings, just a wounded car that was handeling bad and I went around that corner and the brakes pulled me right into you.  Big sorry for that!  Looked in the mirror and you were gone, I guess into cyberspace.   Glad I didn't effect your series win, Grats on that!
 Recovered my focus and struggled with the car for
 a few laps until I thought I could make it to the end from a pit stop.  Got the suspension fixed I thought but nope, car was worse after the stop than when I went in.  Finally said to myself this is "Stupid" and pitted again.  Board came up that the suspension was OK, so I just ejected....Grats to the podium and all that finished.  Thanks to Tony for setting up the series, Good fun no matter what!

Bob M.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: SpecialKS on December 13, 2018, 08:44:56 PM +0000
Sorry for the bump and for messing up your race, Bob. I fear it was me  ::)  but I wasn't aware that the damage was so severe  :P


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Bob M. on December 13, 2018, 08:57:59 PM +0000
No problem Kurt, Stuff happens.  You never can tell about GTL and it's car damage.  Sometime you can plaster it into a wall and nothing.  Next time you just touch something and major damage.  I guess thats why we like the old game like we do!!!!!  It is strange that the last couple of times I have had repairs done in the pit's and come out with a worse car than when I went in.  "Go Figure!!!"  See you all next week..........

Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 13, 2018, 11:25:55 PM +0000
Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/60LeMans_12122018)

8)
Thank you Kurt  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 13, 2018, 11:33:46 PM +0000
@ Bob, If you remember I also had a similar pit stop oddity at Sachsenring. We also had it in that Turbo Capri series. I'm beginning to suspect that the server GTL install may be the cause so over the holiday period I will treat the server to a new install and we will hope that sorts it.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 1950s Endurance Racing - Le Mans - Dec 12
Post by: Erling G-P on December 14, 2018, 10:20:35 AM +0000
No worries Bob; just one of those things that happens sometimes.  Thanks all regarding the Championship; as stated before, it's an honour to grab it in this company.   Thanks to Tony for setting it all up, and to Kurt for all the result stats.