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Practice/Car change: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (34 laps)

Track: Daytona (Road), USA Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg109873#post_daytona70)

Cars allowed: All cars included in this pack Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_lemansclassics)

Note: This series requires a standalone install of GTL. Put this file http://www.mediafire.com/file/bss5e7alx9werkf/SIM_GTC.gdb in to your GameData folder and allow to overwrite.

CLASS P+2.0

Ferrari 330 P3/4
Ferrari 330 P4
Ferrari 412P

CLASS P3.0

Ford Mk.IV
Porsche 907K
Porsche 907LH
Porsche 908K
Porsche 908LH

CLASS S5.0

Porsche 917K
Porsche 917LH

Car restrictions: Three drives maximum per class. Check your status here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Tl-HdpSeXk40LZtdbnMeXBpTOn_wlo7i-U4Huou9oc/edit?usp=sharing)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: 2x
Fuel consumption: 2x
Pit stops: Required

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None.

IMPORTANT

Please note specific install instructions with regard to the downloaded car pack

IMPORTANT

It appears that "This series requires a standalone install of GTL" isn't explicit enough.

As this carset requires it's own class to be set up we need to revise the SIM_GTC.gdb file to reflect this class addition.

This is why this series requires a GTL install for itself. Do not revise the SIM_GTC.gdb file for any other series or hope to get away with using one install for all of this years series.

You will receive online miss match messages if you fail to heed the above.

I hope this is now clear.

Oh booger!!!!!!

 Just when I thought I had everything sorted and running smoothly in GTL with my "all-in-one" GTL folder :-\

Well at least with the extra hard disk space on my new rig I can create another "clean install" and try this .........................stand well back and shield your ears. ;)

Good Luck  :surrender:

You could put the text in red Tony; that way it would stand out more  :)

Sorted  :thumbup1:

Well, I just took the SIM_GTC.gdb  file from the link above renamed it to SIM_GTC.gdb.LMC.
I then copied my existing SIM_GTC.gdb  file and called it SIM_GTC.gdb.original.

Now I just. . . . .
Copy SIM_GTC.gdb.original to SIM_GTC.gdb  for normal races
- or -
Copy SIM_GTC.gdb.LMC to SIM_GTC.gdb  for the LMC series

Seems to work ok for me. and saves yet another GTL install.

TTFN
John.

That will work too, but what saving is made by not having another GTL install?

Absolutely none at all  :lol:

It's just that I have a GTL base (For emergencies), Altbiebude, UKGTL, a Master copy (Which contains everything from Evo, Trackaholics, UKGTL, nogrip + anything else I have found) a Development copy (For stuff I mess around with for myself and others) plus another development copy (Incase I screw up the "real" development copy).  :stupid:

TTFN
John.

Ok... followed the destructions for this series..

1) new clean install
2) install car pack
3) d/load and copy in the SIM_GTC.gdb file.


But.... ( you knew this was coming didn't you?  ;) ) I have not attempted to run this install yet because I got a message informing me that I did not have the Porsche 917K installed on my system and that would prevent the 917L car being available??

Should I already have had that 917K? or should I download and install from the usual source?

I will investigate but.................

I suspect that you have downloaded the wrong file.

Try this link and see if you get the same messages please https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_lemansclassics

Click on the words "Google Drive"

It s like pass from a mule track to highway.

Someone could give me a compass to find the pit out ?

Apologies,

(http://www.racingsportscars.com/covers/_Daytona-1972-08-20t.jpg)

We using the 70s version without chicane

Appetiser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQLkULCe6mY

Just realised this race might involve slick tyres and  pitstops??!!! :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

Plus I still have not found time to even test this car/track/mod yet. Maybe I had better organise my timetable to change that ???  :-\ :-\

As these cars are something entirely new to me in GTL, are there any setups around to use as a starting point?

Yes, it's great !!!  ;D


Maybe the default ones they come with...  :whistling:

Track will never be a favorite of mine.  Oval sections fairly boring, while I can get no natural sense of flow through the infield - either brake way too early for most corners, or brake into the corners, which mostly results in lots of opposite lock in desperate attempts to catch the rear when it comes flying..  :-\

Thanks Matt, now i can learn well and without glasses also

The news is that the problem not was my g27 but the USB plug where was connected my g27 so i can return to use paddles. Now with a delicate touch i can change gears, rather i dont need more to touch with my fingers, now i can do It with telepathia

Had a brief try of the 917 last night, OMG, did 2 laps & only managed to negotiate 2 corners without spinning it! :o

Some serious setup work needed to make it driveable methinks. Why do modders release cars with completely undriveable default setups!  ???

Geoffers!! You are not reducing my anxiety about this series and Ziu ( + Matt ) have just destroyed any hope for mere mortals like me.  :blink: :blink:

Muhahahaha  :devil:

I have the sensation that many of us will choose the Porsche 917 and I do not know why  ::)

I've taken it round Targa Florio with only minor changes to the setup - maybe it's yer driving...  :whistling:  (Did reduce the power diff a fair bit..)

Must be my rubbish driving Erling, could not prevent the rear trying to overtake the front on corner entry. Never could drive Porsches, horrible things. Its a well known fact that Lotus owners hate Porkers. :laugh:

Lol, just kidding Geoffers - what Lotus do you have ? (And maybe you just need to find the right Porker..  :))

Had another practice last night & made the car much better although I am still well off the AIs best laptimes (1.47 compared to 1.42!). I think the main problem was the brake bias, with the brake bias on default the car was ploughing straight on with the brakes on, so I was putting more steering lock on to make the car turn, then when I let the brakes off the front would grip & turn in too sharply flicking the back around. So moving the brake bias more to the rear coupled with some geometry changes made it much more controllable.

I have a 2010 Evora Erling, had it just over 2 years, love it.

Very nice car - please post some pics  :)  Don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh - it's a rare bird here no doubt. (11 Lotus for sale currently on our most popular car sales site, and none are Evoras)

Could be I should try your setup tips, although I mostly move brake bias forward when a car swaps ends under braking; presumably because it locks the rear wheels when weight shifts forwards.

Some photos in this thread Erling

https://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/topic/79457-hello-from-berkshire/

Thanks Geoffers; very nice indeed - classic Lotus colours  :)   - and you mention a Cobra rep; must say you seem to have an interesting car history  :o

(Sorry for the OT posting)

Compliments Geoffers !

Anyone want to see pictures of my Mazda 3?  ;)

Anyone want see pictures of my Wheelbarrow  model WRT4345ZX with seat for rabbits ?

Customized ?  :whistling:

Fitted an air-freshener  ::)

 :jumpjoy:

Yeh, thats rare to find one with the rabbit seat, where did you find that?

Really can exist a wheelbarrow with a seat for rabbits ? When i thought to write this bullshit i never could bilieved that in this world exist a wheelbarrow for rabbits......hemmmm Geoffers if you still doing 1:47 It s better that you put a seat for rabbits near to you before you take start Monday

Not done any more laps since Ziu, so no not bettered 1.47. Probably won't get time to do any more practice, watching Daytona 24hrs tonight & racing at NG tomoŕrow so will most likely be a mid-field runner on Monday!  :-\

Only joking about the rabbit seat on the wheelbarrow, they are actually quite common!!  :laugh:

Was hoping to join this series but as much as I enjoy these cars and even after a couple of hours testing I'm still struggling to put in a clean lap around here  :-[ Don't have much time for practice these days and can't see that changing anytime soon so I won't be racing unfortunately. Have fun  :)

I am going to take a pass on the Daytona race guys.  I set up a 20 lap race offline with the AI yesterday and was not succsesful, by 15 laps I was squirming around in the chair and by 18 laps I gave up.  Just too uncomfortable to sit for that long in one spot yet.  Will practice for Zandy coming up.  I am making progress though, my legs are fine, no spasms or weakness like before the surgery, just a burning type pain in the lower back when I try to overdue it.  Am wandering around the house without a walker or cane now.  Took a drive in the car also yesterday and walked around the park, was getting "cabin Fever".  Slept like a baby last night and have kicked the heavy duty pain pills, just Tylenol now.  Have seen too many old guys get hooked on those Opiods type pain pills.
Have fun and I will watch the replays and get my "fix" that way!!!!

Later
Bob M.

Btw if anyone is short on Wascally Wabbits our nieborhood is full of them.  They are breediing like rabbits.......I guess....

Take care Bob, don't overdo it, look forward to seeing you back when you are ready.  :thumbup1:

Get well soon, Bob !

https://imsatv.imsa.com/ (https://imsatv.imsa.com/)

 :)

good to hear that you are "on the mend" Bob  ;)

Struggling to get this carset to load  :-\ :-\  I might have to re create a virgin GTL and start this install again, just hope that I can find the time before Monday evening. Then all I have to do is find a way to drive the beasts!! simples lol !!!  ::)

OK so I now have a virgin ( and copy of virgin ) install on my new rig.
I also have loaded the Le Mans classic cars into the new location along with the Daytona track file.

all good so far..I can boot offline and see the list of cars.

But I cannot remember where to find the unlimited credit patch so that I can purchase the damned cars!!! anyone got a download link to that please?

Plus of course I still have to sort the connection to the Lobby??!!

And you have done this? Note: This series requires a standalone install of GTL. Put this file http://www.mediafire.com/file/bss5e7alx9werkf/SIM_GTC.gdb in to your GameData folder and allow to overwrite.

Unlock link in this post https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12125.msg217542#msg217542

IMPORTANT

Please take extra care when starting this race. Some cars are prone to sliding across the track whilst waiting for the green light. Do not start racing proper until you have passed the start finish line.

Sorry to be a PIA tony, but I am having a problem with the "unlimited Funds" patch.

I have my ID etc loaded and can see the server in Albiertude lobby, I have a list of cars available,  but I am unable to buy/use any of the cars because I have no credits?? I have exited GTL and re booted.
 I have downloaded the linked file TG 2001 several times and overwritten , but still have no cars to drive or funds to purchase any?

I tried, but not one coin came out of my PC. I did not believe that GTL could be like a slot machine

I am beginning to wonder if buying my new rig was worth all of the stress!!  :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :death: :death: :death:

Just after I asked about the unlock cars info, the whole PC crashed and would not restart. It appears that Win 10 screwed itself?? I had to do a new install of win 10 because it could not access the "recover" files. Maybe all of my woes have been linked to a dodgy win 10 install?? although it was a factory install from new?.

Since then I have been fighting for 2 hours to restore normal GTL to a working condition and  to get the le mans install operational. (Logitech G25 was the biggest headache). I have all the cars available but not a clue how to drive them, so I will start at the back of the grid ( where I would have qualified anyway!!).

All I am missing is the XHUD patch, so that I can see how quickly I am destroying Mr Porsches lovely car. EDIT....found the XHUD d/load  ;)

Replay and Results now posted.

The Championship table needs finishing and I will post when this is done.

After a traumatic afternoon fighting my PC and the virgin GTL install for the Le Mans I only managed to take my first drive in one of these cars at around 6:30p.m. last night.
 With no time to test all of the cars I looked for something with a decent top speed and a nice colour scheme ( very scientific!). I did my testing on the server to be sure that everything was working properly. I was glad that Rog chose that moment to join for some practice too as it gave me something to compare myself with.

Once I had a setup that allowed me to drive the car I went and had some food before returning for the race. A few more tweaks through qually and I found myself mid grid, which was NOT part of my game plan. I had expected to be at, or near, the back of the grid and was now going to be "in the way" of those with more experience in these cars.
The start was eventful and I hesitated as cars tangled ahead and took the chance to drop to the inside to avoid the mayhem. I found a clear run up to T1 and somehow emerged in 3rd place??!! Matt leading with Fulvio in hot pursuit, both in those long tailed Porkers....I presume that they are the high speed aerodynamic versions? Because when it came to the main straight I was struggling!!
But remarkably, I had the advantage through the infield and certainly under braking where I was closing the gap. Then Matt went off and a lap or two later, so did Fulvio. I found myself leading with a 5 second gap  :o :o :o :o. I had no idea about tyre wear in these cars although it was noticeable that my front right tyre was glowing red around the banking....which I figured was not good  :-\. The fuel situation looked OK and I should have a few gallons spare at the end of the race. So all I had to do was get to the mid race pit stop and take on fuel and tyres...Ha! that's all!!
Instead of concentrating on my driving I was distracted by the leader board and was spending too much time looking at the gaps and positions behind because I was so short of track time in these cars. As a result I missed a downshift and spun out allowing the chasing cars to get past. With 3 laps to go to the dreaded pitstop the tyres were actually not too bad, certainly worn but not totally shredded.
Then it all went badly wrong as I entered the banking and got on the power just a little too soon. The rear end stepped out, not a lot, and I was confident that I could hold the slide with a little opp lock. Then the tail end clipped the wall.................... and 5 secs later I had performed a triple somersault with twist and pike to land outside the fencing on all four wheels and engine still running!!!!!!!!!!!...

Race over  :-\  Genuinly surprised that I had enough pace to run near the front with so little practice in these cars..maybe I was lucky that it was the first race in the series? but slightly encouraged.  ;)

Grats to those who showed more prudence and finished with their car on the tarmac.

Championship class tables now done.

Shame about the start, we have had the same issue here in the past, people still want to be at T1 first  >:D

I set off nice and slow, and was promptly mugged by several cars, Ziu then did the sideways into the wall thing
not looked at the replay, no idea whether it was heavy right foot, or someone else involved, but I managed to avoid
the mayhem, and might have been in the lead, if not I got in front as Fulvio was very cautious in the infield section
at first. I had a wobbler and damaged the car on a fence, was still drivable with bent steering and got back in front I think
and, as usual, the pitstops probably lost me the race  :taz: I dropped out of Qual to make sure I had keys mapped
for the pit board, as last time we did stops I had no keys, and had to retire. But in the stop, I forgot you have to manually
set the fuel, and so they changed tyres, I just hit return expecting a few extra seconds to fix bodywork
but they spent more than a minute swapping out track rods, suspension arms etc, but didn't put any fuel in...
messed about trying to get them to do it and gave up and crawled round running on fumes and took another stop
so now I was more than a lap down. Managed to unlap myself from Tony and Roger, and then had some fun
unlapping myself from Fulvio, didn't really matter as I was dead last anyways, but had to have some fun.

After struggling with practicing the 917K last week, I did get a chance to do a bit more practicing on Sunday & decided to try some other cars. Tried the Ford MkIV which was quite easy to drive but seemed slow, particularly around the banking where it seemed to lose a lot of speed. Not sure why, maybe needed more ride height or something. Also the sounds on it are dreadful, not at all like a big V8. :(  Then tried the 908LH, initially had a similar problem to the 917 with the rear trying to overtake the front on corner entry, but a few adjustments improved this & the car was much more driveable & I was able to lap faster than I had with the 917. So 908LH it was for the race.

Qualified 4th & got a decent start but had to lift when Ziu got well out of shape & Erling shot past on the inside. So 2nd into T1 which didn't last as I braked much too late & went off onto the grass. Resumed nearly last & set about making up ground, past Ziu off track at T4 & then Kurt around the banking only to go off again at T1 start of lap 3. Eventually caught & passed Rog & Tony & started to close on Erling & the 917s ahead. Had another brief spin at T2 a little later & just caught sight of Clive flying over the wall near half distance. Planned to stop on lap 19 but I was just behind Fulvio who was recovering from an 'off' as he headed for the pits, as I still had 2 laps of fuel left I decided to do another lap rather than follow him in.

Was in two minds whether to change tyres or just add fuel at my stop, but I had two 'moments' on that extra lap which I thought maybe due to the tyres, so settled on changing them. Returned to the race now in 2nd place behind Erling, how did that happen? Erling was over 20s ahead & although I was lapping faster, without a rare mistake from Erling I was not going to catch him. However Fulvio was only around 5s behind in the 917 & I expected him to quickly catch me, but I was surprised that the gap stayed constant for a few laps until Fulvio must have made a mistake & the gap jumped to over 10s.

Continued to gain on Erling & the gap was down to under 10s with a couple of laps left, may have got it down to 8s at the finish but a last lap spin at T2 put paid to that idea & I was lucky to get back on the track before Fulvio went past & hang on to 2nd place. Anyway happy with 2nd at the end.

Congrats to Erling & Fulvio.  :clap: :clap: Commiserations to those who met with misfortune.  :'(

It appears that Ziu is unhappy about using up his Ferrari drive last night and scoring no points in class.
Whilst I do not intend to reinstate the used drive I do think it unfair that he doesn't receive the full amount of points in class as he was the only driver in that class, regardless of where he finished in the race.
To enable me to alocate these "missing" class points I have revised last nights race results to show him completing a lap. As a side effect of this revision he is awarded 1 point in the results table.
As this will potentialy be one of his lowest scoring rounds it will probably be ignored in the final reckoning.

Really enjoyed that one. Spent nearly the entire race trying to catch Roguk in the sister car. I thought I would catch him out by pitting before him and sneakily only refuel; tyres were not too bad.

Perfect pit stop and rejoined the track with a Mha ha ha ha. Roguk then pitted and I was about to see my cunning plan come to fruition as I sped up the back straight. But as I took turn 1 that rascaly Roger had also only stopped for fuel and so it was status quo. Many more laps trying to catch and pass him. I seemed to be faster in the infield section but he blasted me into the weeds on the backstraight. Anyway great fun Roger and well driven Sir.

OK now guys I leave you alone in the Sand Box for a week and check the posts this AM to find sand flying around by the bucket fulls.  This is a NASCAR track but we are all brothers here and need to cut the attacks down a bunch, unlike the NASCAR drivers that throw helmets at each other and hunt down the opponents in the pits.  Lets all take a deep breathe and agree to disagree, turn the page on this one and meet next Monday with a fresh outlook when the GO flag drops.
I am not without a temper myself.  I remember several years ago over on GC the RED VEIL dropped over my eyes while I was driving the big Jag sedan and another driver kept pounding me in the corners with his Alpine for several laps. Finally we both went off and in my maddnes I took after him and pinned him against the wall for the rest of the race. Felt good at the time, but looking back in time, ask myself what was I thinking...........
Grats to the podium.  See you all next week in the little cars, should be a great series!!!!!!!!

Bob M.

Wise words, Bob   :thumbup1:

Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/70Daytona_29012018)

8)

Sometimes we have to remember that we do this for fun and no-one intentionally nerfs the other guy ( well almost never!  ::) )

There have been times when someone has made a move that ended/compromised my chances and for 30 secs the red fog descends, but then I try and remember that this is a game OOPs!!! sorry SIMULATION  ;)

I am sorry that Ziu feels the way that he does, but the start was the same for all of us on a cambered track and it did require a featherlight right foot to avoid trouble. :-\

Thanks for the results Kurt  :thumbup1:

Hi had a good race with Tony swapping places and pleased my pit stop worked out okay, sorry for Ziu at start but lucky he didn't take anyone else out.

Grats to Erling on win

Grats to Podium

The air's been cleared and earlier, hard worded posts are now deleted  :)

Even though there were rumblings some would go for the 917 in this race, I didn't want to 'waste' one on a track I'm not crazy about - there are others later in the series I'd rather save it for.

The 908 was the fastest of the middle bunch for me and thus became my choice. Surprised to grab the lead at the start, and to make it through T1, where Geoffers did what I traditionally do on this track, when he ran wide on cold tyres.  Predictably lost the lead later that lap, when Fulvio came past in his much quicker 917.  The rest of them soon followed.  However, for most of the first half, I alternated between 2nd, 3rd & 4th place, as the 917-boys kept falling off, only to come roaring past on the straight/oval bits, whenever they ended up behind me.

Was 3rd when I arrived at the pits on L17. Matt was already there, so had to tiptoe around him to get into my stall.  He was still there when I left after a full service.  Rejoined 4th, but advanced as cars ahead pitted. Suspected I was in the lead, but didn't know for sure - I don't use XD's driver list, and the other XD display was smack on top of the pit board. Thus the only value I could see with certainty, was the gap to the car behind.  It was around 20 secs, but shrinking.  Didn't know who was chasing me - suspected it was Geoff, as the rate with which the gap dropped, seemed consistent with the difference of our lap times in qual.

Feared any of the 917s might come storming through and take huge chunks out of the gap, so had to go as fast as possible, but not fall off.  Thus a lonely, but very concentrated 2nd half.

Grats to the other podium finishers in the 3 classes, and commiserations to all who met with misfortune; not least Clive, who has way too much grief, considering his brand new rig.  Have very limited Win10 experience myself, and none with games, so can't offer any advice  :-\