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Title: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 20, 2017, 12:08:52 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=595&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (12 laps)

Track: Le Mans '79 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg187123#post_lemans7785)

Cars allowed: Ford Capri Mk3 Turbo Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_capri3t)

Only the following cars are to be selected. CLASS A DIV 1 '81, CLASS B DIV 2 '81.

NOTE: Drivers of CLASS B DIV 2 cars do not have to make a pit stop unless they want to. Drivers of CLASS A DIV 1 cars must make two pit stops. One must be for fuel only. One must be for a full set of tyres only.

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: x2
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: Do not attempt to repair damage in the pits. Your car will leave in a worse condition then when it arrived.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 09, 2018, 09:07:32 AM +0100
I was doing some testing last night in the Div 1 car. I noticed that when the leaving the pit box, although I turned the limiter on, it seemed to de-activate itself when driving away. Best to make a note of the pit speed limit and keep below this until definately back on the race track.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: Bob M. on May 14, 2018, 06:38:43 PM +0100
Beware all drivers:  I think I am going to use the Div 1 car for this one time event.  Used the Div 2 cars last season so need a change for grins.  Got a pretty docile setup worked out and may be able to do 12 laps.  Might start at the back because I'm not very good at starts in these bombs, don't want to take anyone out and these cars are not repairable.....

GLA
Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: phspok on May 14, 2018, 08:58:02 PM +0100
Really sorry to spoil you race Bob. My screen went black then came back on. I guess I must have frozen mid track  >:(
It happened again just as I was coming out of the final chicane to start lap 4, and when it came back on I was in the wooden
fence with no engine. Something has always gone wrong for me when using VLM tracks, I always avoided using them in P&G
because people complained about poor frame rate etc. I think my Graph card cooked itself.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: Bob M. on May 14, 2018, 09:07:13 PM +0100
What can I say!  So sorry to Geoff for the hit.  I scrapped the wall going down the main straight dodging a lagging car .  Got back up to speed and the car felt fine in a straight line and also the first right hander after the long straight, seemed OK following you but the next turn were I braked and turned lost control, the car just went were it wanted, right at you.  Again sorry my fault, should have retired after I scrapped the wall knowing how these cars are very damage prone.  

Bob M.  
Matt:
Didn't know it was you Matt.  Not a problem for me because I had low expectations with this race anyway.  Too bad Geoffers got caught up in  my mistake as I should have left right away.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 14, 2018, 09:49:26 PM +0100
Results and replay now posted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: Geoffers on May 14, 2018, 10:33:01 PM +0100
No worries Bob, it was one of those evenings.

Got some practice in on Sunday & was turning regular laps around 3.44-3.45 in the Div2 car. Could not get near that in practice tonight & then messed up all my qually laps, twice at the final chicane!  :P

Anyway grats to the podium.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Away again next week, so cya all at Nurburgring in 2 weeks.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: EvilClive on May 15, 2018, 10:11:48 AM +0100
Hmmmmm, these cars again  :-\ I hope that Laurie would have enjoyed these beasts and the insanity they provide.

Absolutely no practice and only realised that there was a race at the last moment ( a senior moment??). Logged on to server expecting to see the Le Mans circuit for SROU .....but I was stumped when it said Anglesy!!??
Maybe I had read the race post incorrectly?? that would not be the first time  ::) So tried to join the race, whatever it might be, but "circuit not available" came up.
Back ro read the race post...definitely the right date and race....maybe the circuit has been changed? although turbo Capris around Anglesy sounded particularly sadistic! Downloaded Anglesey and tried again  "circuit not available" ???

Then the penny dropped, I needed the correct Le Mans circuit so managed to select and download the wrong version  :(. Eventually discovered my mistake(s) and got the right track version to join the fun with just a few moments of practice left.
Grabbed a setup from my excursions at Yas Marina (?) and hoped it would work, lengthened 4th and 5th gears to max and went to find out what the track was like.
Expecting to find chicanes on the Mulsanne I was backing off on the first lap lol., but someone had tarmacked over them.
Not too bothered by quali times, more concerned with learning how to make the darned thing go around corners without killing me!!
Gradually eased into the race, but the early discos promoted me up the field to 3rd. Fuel was going to be OK but tyres would need careful treatment to last until the flag.
Div 1 cars were taking 10 secs a lap out of me on the Mulsanne alone, so there was no contest there. In fact in the early laps other Div 2 cars were taking 4-5 secs out of my time just on the straight?? maybe my pedals are not giving me max power?? But, provided that I concentrated I could recover that around the twistier bits.
After the first few laps life got lonely, until Tony made his pitstops and briefly I was up to 2nd, but it was inevitable that he would catch and pass me before the end ifhe made no mistakes.
Rolled in 3rd in a diminished field but quite enjoyed the cars and track and was getting more confident as the race progressed. Still not brave enough to take a Div 1 projectile  ???

Grats to Erling and Tony and all those who made it to the finish. Commiserations to those who had problems.




Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: SpecialKS on May 15, 2018, 12:23:31 PM +0100
Love this version of the track - even in these cars  ::)
One short moment of carelessness led to an off at "Virage Porsche" in lap two.
I think I lost my front splitter and slightly damaged suspension and/or stearing but could go on without loosing much pace
but with some strange behaviour especially in right-hand bends. Sorry Bill for the bumper caused by that strange behaviour!
Due to the missing splitter I had some funny jumps at the jumping hill just before Mulsanne.
Unfortunately I could not manage a backwards roll like Peter Dumbreck did back in 1999  ;D
Get used to the damaged car more and more and felt lucky to finish.

Thanks again for organizing!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: Erling G-P on May 15, 2018, 01:15:48 PM +0100
Yay, return of the turbo monsters, and on a proper Le Mans without sissy chicanes no less!!  :)

Tony set up a very interesting handicap, with the two pitstops for Div 1.  Really didn't have time, but somehow had to find enough to do a complete race sim test in both classes, to see which would be fastest.  Tyre wear was bad for a no-stopper in Div 2, but still manageable.  Fuel was critical however - in my test, I ran out in front of the pits after completing the 12 laps!  When the Div 1 test proved to be 1 minute quicker, including the pitstops, it became the natural pick for me.  The tyre wear was much less, due to the forced change, but more tricky, since the Div 1 car ate the rears twice as fast as the fronts, whereas the Div 2 was more evenly balanced.  Add to that a low-drag configuration of the wings, and handling became interesting as the laps piled on..  :)

Let go of the gas too quickly at the start, and bogged down more than necessary, but still retained 2nd.  Ziu wrecked his car in the Ford chicanes, handing me the lead for free.  The first lap mayhem behind me had created a huge gap already, so rest of the race was completely lonely, except for catching Bill & Kurt late in the race.  Sorry for the clumsy passing attempt at the end of Mulsanne Kurt; unusual line coupled with tyre wear made the rear end get away from me.

A joy to drive these cars again, especially on this track, but sad to see such high attrition.  Grats to Tony & Clive for filling the podium, and Bill & Kurt for bringing it home.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 15, 2018, 03:44:38 PM +0100
@ Erling, you see that's my big problem. I can design races but there based on the times that I can do. In my world it would have been a much closer finish between the classes but I couldn't simulate what mad danish aliens could do.
With so many leaving, so early in the race, it turned into bit of a yawn fest I'm afraid. Glad Erling liked it though as it was a comment about these cars being a blast on a decent track that nudged me into creating this event so not all bad.
@ Clive, hope you enjoyed my fireball in qualy. No fault of yours; I mistook the turn where I crashed as being a slight right hander and not the tight right hander  ::)

Thanks to everyone who turned out  :notworthy:

I'm thinking of running a series in Season 20 with maybe a slower Div (one with a few more skins preferably) using some classic '79 circuits (non-Hermann).


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: BillThomas on May 15, 2018, 06:26:38 PM +0100
Love this version of the track - even in these cars  ::)
One short moment of carelessness led to an off at "Virage Porsche" in lap two.
I think I lost my front splitter and slightly damaged suspension and/or stearing but could go on without loosing much pace
but with some strange behaviour especially in right-hand bends. Sorry Bill for the bumper caused by that strange behaviour!
Due to the missing splitter I had some funny jumps at the jumping hill just before Mulsanne.
Unfortunately I could not manage a backwards roll like Peter Dumbreck did back in 1999  ;D
Get used to the damaged car more and more and felt lucky to finish.

Thanks again for organizing!r



The bump slowed me but luckily caused no damage to affect handling. In fact I set a number of PBs. On Saturday on my first out lap I had a number of bumps/rubs along the Armco and at the hump before the first gear right hander the car nose lifted and the car flew ( I thought it would do a backflip) but it made a tail first landing and I managed to brake and get around the corner.

I seem to remember a Merc (?) flew of the track and luckily landed the right way up in the trees. Obviously an aerodynamics problem and the track was modified to slow the cars down. Remember a motoring enthusiast Cheif Constable (Northampton ?) turned a blind eye to Le Mans cars doing early morning flat out runs on the M1 prior to race.

More, more high speed tracks Tony - the 10 km Monza track with its banking should be fun!



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: EvilClive on May 15, 2018, 06:27:27 PM +0100
Oh! that was you was it Tony.???

That sort of thing can unnerve a delicate soul like me you know! :o   I wonder how I managed to compose myself and join the race  ::)

My ribs are still aching :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 15, 2018, 07:14:34 PM +0100
More, more high speed tracks Tony - the 10 km Monza track with its banking should be fun!
You only have to ask Bill. The next Fifties Enduro is at Monza (June 4th) but not the banked layout. I can change it if I get enough positive feedback.

Please reply here https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14697.msg272588#msg272588


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: SpecialKS on May 15, 2018, 07:26:47 PM +0100
Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/LeMans1979_14052018)

8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: SpecialKS on May 15, 2018, 07:28:54 PM +0100
Love this version of the track - even in these cars  ::)
One short moment of carelessness led to an off at "Virage Porsche" in lap two.
I think I lost my front splitter and slightly damaged suspension and/or stearing but could go on without loosing much pace
but with some strange behaviour especially in right-hand bends. Sorry Bill for the bumper caused by that strange behaviour!
Due to the missing splitter I had some funny jumps at the jumping hill just before Mulsanne.
Unfortunately I could not manage a backwards roll like Peter Dumbreck did back in 1999  ;D
Get used to the damaged car more and more and felt lucky to finish.

Thanks again for organizing!r



The bump slowed me but luckily caused no damage to affect handling. In fact I set a number of PBs. On Saturday on my first out lap I had a number of bumps/rubs along the Armco and at the hump before the first gear right hander the car nose lifted and the car flew ( I thought it would do a backflip) but it made a tail first landing and I managed to brake and get around the corner.

I seem to remember a Merc (?) flew of the track and luckily landed the right way up in the trees. Obviously an aerodynamics problem and the track was modified to slow the cars down. Remember a motoring enthusiast Cheif Constable (Northampton ?) turned a blind eye to Le Mans cars doing early morning flat out runs on the M1 prior to race.

More, more high speed tracks Tony - the 10 km Monza track with its banking should be fun!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e21ZjwZGjiQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e21ZjwZGjiQ)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: BillThomas on May 15, 2018, 07:29:36 PM +0100
More, more high speed tracks Tony - the 10 km Monza track with its banking should be fun!
You only have to ask Bill. The next Fifties Enduro is at Monza (June 4th) but not the banked layout. I can change it if I get enough positive feedback.

Next week is a Le Mans cars race at Monza 60s which has the high speed banking! Porsche 917 LH should be handful there.  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: BillThomas on May 15, 2018, 07:39:32 PM +0100
More, more high speed tracks Tony - the 10 km Monza track with its banking should be fun!
You only have to ask Bill. The next Fifties Enduro is at Monza (June 4th) but not the banked layout. I can change it if I get enough positive feedback.

Next week is a Le Mans cars race at Monza 60s which has the high speed banking! Porsche 917 LH should be handful there.  ;)

Whoops, wrong again, mixed up versions of Monza, must be more careful!  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 18 Lawrence Clemo Memorial Trophy - Le Mans - May 14
Post by: Erling G-P on May 15, 2018, 09:12:37 PM +0100
@ Erling, you see that's my big problem. I can design races but there based on the times that I can do. In my world it would have been a much closer finish between the classes but I couldn't simulate what mad danish aliens could do.
With so many leaving, so early in the race, it turned into bit of a yawn fest I'm afraid. Glad Erling liked it though as it was a comment about these cars being a blast on a decent track that nudged me into creating this event so not all bad.
@ Clive, hope you enjoyed my fireball in qualy. No fault of yours; I mistook the turn where I crashed as being a slight right hander and not the tight right hander  ::)

Thanks to everyone who turned out  :notworthy:

I'm thinking of running a series in Season 20 with maybe a slower Div (one with a few more skins preferably) using some classic '79 circuits (non-Hermann).

Could have been closer Tony, depending on car choice of various drivers.  My Div 2 times were quite slow compared to Geoffers; my best being a 3:47.7.  On my full race simulations, my Div 1 average laptime including the pitstops, was 5 secs faster than my average Div 2 time. Ziu would probably have been faster still in a Div 2 car, so could potentially have been very close.

Any form of these cars will be welcome in my book, especially on fast tracks with flowing, high speed curves.