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Round 2 - Monza 66 Road

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January 24th - Password entry (on day of race)

Practise: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30   40 minutes

Cars allowed:
Porsche 962 Short Tail

SKINPACK (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14771.0). Top of driver's list on the opening post.

Track:  Monza 66 Road


Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Weather: Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: Not required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the Championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=625&theme=4)

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I think that in '80s were used chicanes, it was really similar at actual Monza track. I prefer the old track, but for a historical correctness we should use the modern Monza.

I think there are only 3 tracks that are 'as raced' in the 80's. We aren't really going that much for authenticity, so I say go with the nicer tracks - Monza '66 and Silverstone '66 should give better racing in these brutes than the more modern variants anyway, and they can stand in for the Mulsanne as we won't be visiting it ;)

Personally I think the list is near perfect for these cars, we just need the Nords really ;D

Correct, this isn't the most accurate choice, but the modern chicanes are so terrible, that I thought this would be more fun, eventhough there are only 3 corners now.

Yes, i agree.

I was actually a bit disappointed with this track for these cars, it’s just not technical enough for downforce prototypes as it’s more suited to tail happy less-aero race cars.  :-\
This is just flat out, brake a bit, flat out..repeat  :P

The track itself looks lovely and would love a suitable old car race at it, like the old formula single seaters or Maserati 250 etc

You might be surprised how much setup and line work you can do here ;)
I'm on 450 miles already and still picking up little tricks - I think this will be an especially interesting round provided we can all avoid sharing paint :D

I am a speeeeeed king ))))
https://youtu.be/7zKAS7XOWaQ?t=46
Ha ha highway staaaaaaaaaa  :laugh:
PS. MJ, i am sure that you'll find a key to this combo- and it will be the same feel like with Lotus72! I am sure.  ;)

Did anybody find the fuel usage exceptionally high here?

Wow Jeff! You are right!  :o
I eating 3,62 l\lap fuel for now ( in 78 litres of initially load)
So, 2400\ 79sec laptime = 30,38 race laps total
30,38 x 3,62 =  109.974 litres!
car Fuel tank = 99!
Need's 11 litres else for finish crossing  ;D
What shall we do guys?
4 of 40 minutes is over limit.
May be race time will fix on 35 min?

This race needs a pit stop.
Fuel, maybe 110-115 liters.
The average speed is really high, so we in 40 mins do a lot of km.

I was warned about it by Pete who was warned by Eck, so I didn't notice myself yet  :P.

Race will be normal 40 minutes and will probably require a pitstop, but the stop will not be manditory, so if you can complete the race without a stop, that's also fine. That should open up multiple strategies. Driving fuel efficient, hards with just a splash and dash, meds/meds, softs/hards or whatever you can come up with.

Bravo, Jeff!  The ice melted in UKAC!  ;D
Exelent decision! May be it will be a step to Pit using in races!  :)
But i'll try to save fuel in hards, using gears management.. It's not so interesting for me but i must here... To try to limit my car in monza.. Trying to kill this track nature  :'(

No - well over 90% of the lap is at full throttle :P
(Having a turbo-nutter-b*****d-car myself I'm well aware of the effect this has on ones fuel tank ;D), I wish I could reach out and twiddle the mixture dial!

I might have noticed this a few days ago, and started working on multiple strategies as a result :ninja:

Hmm I would not find the spare time for multiple strategies.  :'( So it’s balls-out hell for leather for me  :P
Won’t be the first time I’ve run out of fuel in this car  ::) ;D

Dash light = 3 laps to silence Mark ;)

Merci mon ami  :euro:

Okay I take it back, hurtling through Curva Grande at 190mph is quite exhilarating  ;D

God help us if anyone touches in the race though  :o

Holy calm  ;) All are in gearing and race strategy testing .  ;D
I've find my and dedicated it to Mark Jonzo  8)
BTW guys , how can i find a overall championship table?

It's here

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=625&theme=4

You can get there by clicking the A9 series in the series list above, or if you look at the title box that contains the password the title in constructed of several links

January 24, 2018, 06:25:22 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKAC Season 9 Porsche 962

The date takes you to the calendar, the Track to a track page, then the last part is also a link to the championship page

Cool view table and service! Great thanks, Pete!  :)

Hope I can make this one, have a match at 19:30  :-\

We usually include a link to the championship table in the 1st Page for an event
This series seems to be missing it. Can easily be added if wanted.

I have added it. See Note 2.

Thanks. I've always used the bold letters on top of the thread as it's visible everywhere, so I never really noticed the other links  :P

Bit surprised only 16 racers turned up for this  :-\  thought the 962 series would be sold out

Sigh...despite enjoying the giddy heights of 4th and then 6th for about 90% of the race, I still ended up 10th after my late pitstop  ::) and only that because AnimalEd disappeared with a few mins to go..what happened to Ed?
I took on a tad too much fuel as I finished with 10L left but was still surprised to go from 6th to 10th and minus 27secs!  :o :'(  couldn't figure that one out. Was also shocked to read that some like FMG made it the whole race length without stopping, very impressive fuel saving.  :notworthy:

Had some good fun dices early on with my constant shadow of FMG and Frex and a couple of scary '3 into 1-wont-go' moments at Curva Grande  :o  the only time I was on my own in the whole race was after my late stop.

Well done to Felix, amazing pace, and the podium  :thumbup1:

So. Had it not been for flinching at Jeffery appearing alongside me into T1 then I reckon Operation:Eco-Warrior might have pulled it off :'(

Although I had several options ready I choose the no-pit option in the end. It's slower but the times everyone was putting in during practice suggested they were all going for the flat-out approach (They can't all have been running a different setup like I was just to throw everyone else).
The plan was to get off the line, go flat out for a lap so I can avoid any L1 unpleasantness ( I forgot about my own stupidity here :censored: ) then settle into the routine I'd put together and drive to a number. If anyone caught me they'd be given a free pass and then drafted for as long as my fuel number allowed. Had I pulled this off and been able to draft a front 4 car without smashing my own Aero up I think I'd have still been able to put in high 1:19's without eating into my fuel number.

Sadly I trimmed the hedge in CG and re-joined behind Mark in a second-hand looking 962.
I actually seemed to have some pace on him when I caught him so I went for a pass into Parabolica - which worked - and he then drafted back in front of me towards CG.
I couldn't get drawn into a fight so I just accepted his pace and used him as an in-flight refueller. By half race distance I already had saved enough fuel to maintain my pace even after Mark pitted and easily see the finish.
Then unfortunately Frex span in front of us into my path in Lesmo 1 and I clipped him (Sorry, even watching the replay and knowing it would happen I can't see how I'd have missed you).
After that my aero was knackered, and worse, Mark had got away a bit as a result of my hit.
I spent 2 laps gambling that I could still re-catch him driving flat out to gain a tow again, this showed me how bad the aero was as I was way down on top speed and had some odd handling at lower speeds.
Luckily I regained Mark and proceeded to use him to 're-fill' the tank again. He pitted about when I had broken even ;D

From there on I just had to drive as fast as I could and as cleanly as I could while still conserving fuel. All the while watching Jeffers slowly catching me after his pitstop.
I was trying to calculate where the leader was on track relative to the 40 minutes running out by this point, and decided he wasn't too far from being able to start a final lap.
This scuppered me as I was right on the limit of my range at race pace and I couldn't fight off Jeffery while conserving it - had I known the race was going to end when it did I could have done the last 2 laps flat out and held him off :P
But that would have stopped me trying a really inadvisable passing move on him into Para on the last lap, which would have been great had it worked!

I hope we have a few more 'tricky' races like this in the series. I loved the fact that potentially 4 of my 5 setups for the race could have given me a podium spot and I just had to pick the one that no-one else did.
Proper strategy at work for this round.

Thanks to all for the race, and a hello and welcome to Thomas - very well driven I thought when you were a lap down.

We had 2 white cars this round, I'm not sure Ed has a skin which could explain him - but I guess Thomas' wasn't assigned yet on the server? I know I have it installed as I'm also rather fond of it

Was a great race but unlucky!
Decent qualify, I did a good start (from 8 to 3), and I was behind Matteo for 2/3 of the race. I attemped 2 overtakes, but at void, was really hard and Teo with totally cold blood mantain his position really clean. Thanks for the duel Matteo, was really fantastic!
Pit, unfortunately wrong strategy, passed from 3 to 8 (mocky destiny).
I had a little misunderstanding with Alexey at lesmo 1, and lost some seconds again.
Did other good overtakes (one very good against Maikelm, I think, at Curva Grande) and finished 5th.
A bit sad, but I was a bit more fast than Mugello.
Congratz felix, teo and jef. Also FMG, great fuel management!
Cya next time!

This time my result was better than expected.

I'm a donkey in setting up this car, and I think that my gears for the race were completely wrong, but after a desperate attempt with a shorter fifth gear I managed to cut a couple of tenths and that granted me the third spot in qualif. Felix in the meantime was on another planet.
My start was good but I was a bit cautious during the first lap especially at Lesmo 1, so I could not exploit any slipstream by Felix, that disappered lap after lap. Luckily behind me something must have happened because after Lesmo 2 I had a couple of seconds of gap on Porco to manage.
My pace was good but not enough if compared to Porco, that lap after lap completed his come back after mid-race, so we had a close fight for a couple of laps, in which I had to defend myself tooth and nail to keep my position. Than Porco pitted before me and I was reasoning about an immediate pit on the subsequent lap not to lose his back, but eventually I opted to stay out trying to keep a constant pace until the lap 26 or 27, when I did my splash and go. Luckily after the pit I noticed that something went wrong for Porco during these laps or during the pit, so my last laps were pretty quiet with nobody to fight against.
Can't complain at all with my result.
Thanks to Porco for the fun and grats to Felix for a crushing victory. Grats also to Jeff for completing the podium and to FMG for the fuel saving strategy. Well done :)

See you chaps :)

That was great fun tonight.

View from the mid-pack: - My strategy was keep out of trouble for 3 laps, pop into the pits for a top up, then hotlap, don't get in a tangle with any faster passing cars and hopefully pickup a decent place.  Sort of went to plan.  

Qualified 9th, found myself in 5th early, but stuck to the plan.  Came out of the pit in 13th.  Passed some and was passed by others.   Later on twice went a bit wide at Lesmo 2, the second time letting PorcoRosso86 and Maikel K through.  Finished up 7th, which was an improvement on Mugello, so happy with that.

Really enjoyed this track in this great car.  The fuel situation gave it a nice extra dynamic.   Let's hope the fuel tank isn't quite big enough at Silverstone '67 also.

Felix, what god do you trust for to be so fast?  ;D Grats to the win!
Podium - you are a fire guys!  :) FMG- true strategy guru  ;)

Race moments in vid. Start, battles w Ceolmore and PorcoRosso86 acident. I have no words for describe it. Who is wrong here-i don't know  :) Epizode begins at 7.40.
Thanks all guys for the race. See you are all next round!
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp_NJh7hNbw&feature=youtu.be

I don't want to start a controversy, for any problem is possible to report the accident, mods are there to solve these types of problem.
But maybe could help a video from other angles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI9CL4huvlw

So, sorry Baikal if you felt defrauded, but honestly I didn't nothing wrong.

When pilots making a closest battle in front of you - they not see the third , who is approaching from far back using flatout. I have no time to recognize your jump from rear. But you seen all situation a long time from behind and had enough time to be less straight agressive here, imho. So sorry that it happens.   

Yeah, I was a bit surprised of your less speed at curva della Roggia, maybe I needed to be less aggressive, but felt really safe (I thought that was enough space for you two) and the only free position of the track was there. At least no pilots injured  ;D ;D
And was a funny race for everybody  :D

Sorry for the no show, not able to attend last night due to health reasons. The joys of getting on in years!

Yep, i could not make the race either. It's getting increasingly harder for me to attend wednesday races unfortunately.

Hmm, I didn't even consider the fuel situation until I filled up for race start and realised I might not have enough to get to the end. Plus I can't ever recall doing a pit-stop in AC before. Nothing like being well prepared..

Got delayed at the start plus a slightly crumpled front end, when two cars touched ahead of me. But got going and set off after the pack. Eventually caught MJ and the fuel-saving FMG, and some fun was had. Scuppered myself yet again however by mis-shifting into the wrong gear at a couple of key moments. Honestly, you could set your watch by the regularity that I do this in races (yet never in practice). *sigh.

Firstly when I dived in front of Mark at the last corner, only to shift into 5th instead of 3rd which left me vulnerable again to the cars behind. This led to a 3-way side by side moment and a slight touch, but we all survived.. Second was when I mis-shifted at the first Lesmo and spun. Bugger.

After that I changed tack and tried to save fuel by short-shifting and cadging a tow wherever I could, but it was too little too late, and I ran dry with a lap to go. Ah well, it was good fun in parts. Congrats podium.



No worries, my fault entirely (see above). Sorry you were caught up by it.

How embarrassing, FMG's fuel saving pace is significantly quicker than my flat out pace  :'(

I did end up adopting the fuel saving policy and finished with 1 ltr of fuel, not as close as last Sunday's V8 race where I conked out crossing the finishing line!

Good to hear that it is possible to save fuel realistically. I have short shifted and coasted in gt races before when fuel has been looking tight to finish a race but never knew if it actually did!

Regarding fuel at pit stops:- if you have 50L selected in the pit stop menu, does it literally add 50L or does it detect what you have left in the tank and top you up to 50L? ie you stop with 10L left and the pit crew throw in another 40? I ask as I stopped a couple of laps earlier than needed hoping the stop would be shorter.

I made a little video of my highlights. Monza was more interesting than any expected!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM525r68MKk

Improved my PB in qually, so I'm pleased with that. I really hope Felix' time was with a tow, as I have no idea how I could squeeze half a second out of it  :o.

I bogged down at the start, but so did Fabri infront of me, so I didn't lose too many places.
After the start I was right behind FMG and Porco and then I realised just how wide these cars are.


Sorry if I went a bit too far from the curb, I actually lifted off twice. Once before the turn and once at entry as for some reason it just wouldn't turn in, eventhough it's an easy flat even on cold tyres  :-\.

In Lesmo 1 Porco had a moment and I could get in his draft at the back straight. Before the race I was hoping for a NASCAR-esqua type of race, with constant slipstreaming and overtaking, so I knew that making a mistake would be detrimental for the race. So ofcourse I ran wide at Parabolica in the first lap, dropping me to 10th or something  ::).

After a few laps I was slowly catching Alexey and I was looking forward to the drafting battle...but he pitted when I got close...fun denied  :P.

To my surprise, the mediums only lasted 10 minutes before the got yellow. What's the point of that compund then? I thought they would last atleast 20 minutes, as hards lasted the whole race at Mugello and this should be easy on the tyres. Decided to pit with 30 minutes to go and switch to hards and I immediatly improved my laptimes, eventhough I had more fuel and a harder compound. Are those medium tyres bugged, or was I just not able to get them to work? If I knew hards would be better from the start, I would have gone for hard/softs.
I think the pitcrew uses teacups to full the tank, as 16 litres of fuel took just as long as changing 4 tyres.

The laps after the pitstop were quite lonely, with Ceolmor in the distance. Lap by lap I was able to nibble a bit of time off and after a while I was finally able to get close, just as we came across Frex. We had an awesome looking 3 car draft heading into Parabolica and I was able to use Frex to hold off Ceolmor.

When others made their stop I was surprised to find myself in 4th with FMG infront of me. I realised by his pace and his position that he must have gone for the no stop strategy. Because he coasted very early I found it really hard to get close, as I didn't want to plow into him. With 2 laps to go I finally got him into Lesmo 1 and I thought I'd be safe from there on, but then  saw we were in the final lap and I knew he'd probably saved enough fuel to give it a final push. He almost had me in the last corner, but there is so little grip on the outside at Parabolica, as I found out myself in lap 1.

Grats to Felix for another amazing pace. I have no idea what you've been eating lately, but you are uncatchable :).

I really liked the natural strategies that were possible without forcing a stop or adding multipliers.


I think you can change what it does in a config file, but default it's adding fuel. So for me I calculated 115 litres maximum for the race, so I started with 99L and added 16L (number 16 was in my pit window).
I prefer it when it says the amount beind added instead of the amount you'll have when you exit, as then you can enter the pitlane at any time without needing to recalculate.

Set off near the back, and then managed to avoid the start mess, only to be "cautious" about moving back on
line, and clipped the end of a barrier which hurt the car, so escaped to pits, then had to wait for the minute
penalty, so by the time I got out half the field had already lapped  :taz: carried on anyway to then find that
all the people who knew what they were doing were on hards, and my meds melted before half distance
tried to keep out of the way as best as I could, but the car was really awkward in lesmo 1 and parabolica
Ah well, next one I am in Milton Keynes so will miss it.

It is hard do a debrifing for this race.

The worst result in this group, and probably of all times. But at the same time a race where I pushed like a crazy, taking absurd risks, making show. I made more overtaking in this race than in the whole season with the Lotus 25.

I qualified second. I knew I had a good pass. I was in any case very uncertain about the strategy (and this was a big problem).
I had trouble on start, doing a bordell so. I was tryed to start with "granny technique" but maybe i was too low on rpm (or maybe the virtual clutch is a shit) and a lose totaly power, like turbo off. So i re-pressed the clutch and i started move better.
This situation is absulotly dangerous, specially in a old grid style, and i was so hitted a bit.
I rejoined penultimate, followed by Maikel (that is really fast). I began to push very hard, quite easily overtake the pilots ahead of me. Always followed by Maikel, but I took a little advantage (about 3-4 seconds).
This seemed good, and I was back in 4th place, taking advantage of the pit stops of some pilots.
The moment of the pit stop arrived. I discover that my strategy was totally wrong. Returned to 10th position. I only had time to do two more overtaking and finish 8th.

One of best moment was the 3 side cars on main straight and pass before the Curva Grande. Really dangerous and crazy, but i did that. I think there was also Frex, in middle.

PS: i've also no idea what sense have the Medium tires...

I'm don't know if it helps but my fastest lap was done while recatching Mark, and was pushing my setup to its limit. Undamaged and out of draft I would have been unlikely to drop far below 1:20 without burning too much fuel.

My setups that were capable of the times seen at the front of the grid burned nearly a litre a lap more fuel to achieve the speed  :o


As for the mediums, they will happily run half race distance here despite their colour. One of my fastest test races was done using 2 sets of mediums and a splash of fuel.

Not too happy with the result this race.

Couldn't really settle on a good pace during practise and quali was really close so I ended up 7th I think. Then I noticed I was boxed up tight between 6 other drivers at the start  :o
I tried to keep an eye on the 2 infront and on my sides so when the lights turned green I already saw that my start was better then Jeffreys. Too late I noticed Fabri who stalled abit at the start. I couldn't go to the right as a car was right there so I tried to evade to the left but then I realised theres a car there aswell. Went off the throttle abit as hitting the brakes right at the start probably wouldn't have ended good aswell, but I still bumped into Fabri slightly which spun him and me around. So with quite abit of damage I rejoined last and had abit of fun on some nice battles to get back to the action, but it still left abit of a sour aftertaste after. I don't like causing crashes  :P

Ah well, hoping for some better result next time. And hopefully someone will be able to steal a few points from Felix  ;D

That must be some server setting. If you remember in CORE to change 4 tyres are needed approximately 20 secs. That amount of time is reasonable in a non F1 race and I guess that it should be the same for this champ, or you will have practically the same strategy for every driver with these cars.... apart from fuel saving strategies ::)
I started with medium tyres and didn't changed it keeping in mind the amount of time needed to replace them on CORE. My strategy was a splash and go (4 seconds of actual pit instead of 20 with CORE timings) keeping the same tyres during all the race. Had I knew that 20 litres of fuel did cost much time than a tyre change I would have changed it as every driver with a functioning brain, cause my mediums were bloody red, even if they were still manageable.

Do you SROUK drivers agree with me? ???

In AC , times of pit services are defined in the encrypted file phisics for each car . Not server settings depends.
For 962S here is a code strings :
[PIT_STOP]
TYRE_CHANGE_TIME_SEC=10
FUEL_LITER_TIME_SEC=0.6
BODY_REPAIR_TIME_SEC=20
ENGINE_REPAIR_TIME_SEC=2
SUSP_REPAIR_TIME_SEC=30
Pilot needs to check this times in practise sessions by himself.  :)

in one of my test stops (yes I do actually sometimes test pitstops you know  :laugh: ) I think i timed 20L of fuel going in at 23 seconds, no idea if that's quick or slow in the real world but did think, jeez this takes an age whilst waiting for them to 'tea-cup' it in. :P

ah that's interesting about being car specific for stops, maybe they simulate those big funnels they used to stick in the fuel tank and pour a can of petrol into it. nice find Manteos.  is that tyre change time 10 secs for all 4? or 10 secs each wheel?  And I know Porsche mechanics are good, but 2 secs for engine repairs?!  :o ;D

Didn't know that. Thanks for the info. In this case 20 litres took 12 seconds, that's why I was a bit surprised about the lenght of my pit.

It's never too late to learn  ::)

Thanks guys for the race. Was really fun.  8)
At the start  I had to go over the grass as somebody spun in front of me. I tried to manage to get out of the trouble. It worked out, but then at the after the first Lesmo a car spun in front of me and I hit it very hard.
My car was totally damaged and I had to get back to the pits for repair. Bad luck...
My pace was ok for me and I let the blue flagged cars passed and tried to sort myself in the ranking. Later I could catch up to some cars which lapped me and passed a few. I hope it was not to aggressive from my side  :-X Some of you let me pass. Very nice and fair driving thanks for that :-)

I had a whit skin. I guess the skins were not updated on the server?
Anyway it was fun and I'm looking forward to Silverstone.

Congrats to Felix and the podium. Very fast and good pace especially on the hard tires (which I didn't even tried during practice  :-[)

Sorry about that Thomas, completely unexpected.

Was an error from my part, didn't include your entry on the entry list  :-[

Thanks, that can always happen while racing. No worries  :)