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Round 5 - Österreichring

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March 7th - Password entry (on day of race)

Practise: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30   40 minutes

Cars allowed:
Porsche 962 Short Tail

SKINPACK (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14771.0). Top of driver's list on the opening post.

Track:  Österreichring (https://actrackrebootproject.wixsite.com/ac-track-re-boot/oesterreichring1979)


Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Weather: Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: Not required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

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Hi,
I want to have a look at the track. Which layout will be used? With chicane or without? Thx

The version without the chicane.

Amazed this track mod. Was surprized about  good surface phisical mesh , what is not so ordinary for mod track converts. Fantastic suited for our car. I extremely needs to learn it , having fun in every lap of 1000 ( something like a Monza or Silverstone)  ;D
Only one small thing - any (ANY) rails touch and i am dead without variants  :-\

That seems to be an issue I see more often lately. It was dodgy at Barbagello, Adelaide, Kyalami and now apparently here. I don't know what happened to cause these problems with mod tracks.

I know one thing here- to make a rails and track surface good- its must to be coded from scratch or this surfaces must to be well suited in AC format good by default in converting stage.  No such track converters here. Year of hard work.  :-\
BUT this track is gamn good anyway- i love it. Gimme 1000 free hours of live to fun in. Every lap i driven now are more and more enjoyed!  :) Brilliant combo. Thanks Jeff for choice! 

 :thumbup2:

Alexey beat me to it  :) after finally getting some laps in earlier I too thought what a fantastic track this is, with a great flow to it  8) I can see now why people say they much prefer this to the modern a1-ring. Pretty epic in a Rift too looking at the scenery as you blast along.
Haven’t quite sussed the best lines through a couple of the trickier double apex corners yet but had fun trying and you can really hear the tyres working hard in some corners.

Guess we have to spoil it by needing hard tyres?  :-\ I really don’t like them on this car  :( anyone checked we can get enough fuel in the car with the fast times being set? Seemed a bit borderline :-\

Mark, i not tested mediums and thinking for now that hards is only way for this race.  Fuel will be full tank in use as i measuring.

IMPORTANT: It's not allowed to go all 4 wheels over the curbs on the inside. If you do that in your best qually lap, it's a qually ban for the next round. For the race the standard penalties apply:

Gaining advantage through Corner Cutting: 2 places
Factors:
Were the perpetrator and victim actually fighting for position?
Did the victim subsequently have an incident which prevented the place being given back?

I am just now completely understood what Mark said in test session to me: "We meet with siberian winter"  :o
How are you guys? Still cold weather and snow is falling or things going better?
BTW we are all will be in finish with 0.2 liters of fuel . 99l using.  :o

to Jeff- Yes sir! Sure sir! :)

I noted that the cut of the curbs here give an important loss of grip.

We had a week of heavy snow and below freezing temps in the south but now it has literally mostly melted overnight at the weekend  :o The North got hit hard after us but not sure how it is now. Hope its cleared up as I have my first trackday of the year this week at Oulton park  :o :boat:

And yes, fuel is very tight, shouldn't a lap limit be applied rather than leaving it to chance we can finish? Guess it depends how fast you front few are in race trim.  :-\  If someone runs a tad higher wing I am not even sure they will make it to the finish. ( I tested with 3 wing).

Where's the fun/challenge ;)

Is fuel really that tight? IIRC I used 3.3L a lap and race will be around 27 laps so that's around 90L.

There won't be a lap limit just like at Monza. People can opt to save a bit of fuel during the race or a pitstop. :)

Oooops... If leaders will have 27 laps then i have a biggest race tactic dilemma i ever remembering... 

I did some laps yesterday eve and i was at around 3.74L a lap... So i will be taking off the rear view mirrors, the rear wing and running 50 PSI tire pressure!  :P

;D. Guess I'll need to look at it tomorrow, but I liked the added strategy like at monza, so if people want to put then it's an option, but not mandatory.

This one isn't even hard to budget for  ;)
Currently I have enough fuel for 42 minutes flat out - so unless I burn more on the server I'm go  :P

I tested on server and i did 26 laps and half... :(

Oddly I am burning more on the server - although my setup is very different to offline for some reason so I'll need to fix that first....
Looks like it will be an interesting race ;D

I’d rather race than worry about running out of fuel after 39 minutes  :-\ but guess we are all in the same boat.

Go for mediums and a pitstop. No need to worry about fuel and you are on your preferred tyre ;).

I'm more worried I'm 2 seconds a lap slower than the front few  :'( I don't know how you guys are squeezing so much more pace out of this car, I just get understeer everywhere and if I try to install a bit more oversteer it just gets unstable. Oh well, too late now, maybe when I'm stuck in my usual no mans land I can coast a bit more and save fuel  ;)

Obvious facts:
- The guys in front will done 27 laps.
- I must to do the same , otherwise i 'll be lapped.
- To make a 27 laps i need a pitstop and drive without rails helps
 ;D
Mark, try to use full negative toe in rear. It will help with understeer  :)

This thing of saving fuel and prepare a strategy in a race of about 40 mins is a nonsense.

In this way you are managing to transform a great 'historic' single make champ in a modern F1 MGUK madness fuel saving race.
I save fuel every day in Rome because of the moon holes of our roads going 30 km/h on average in 3rd or 4th gear, but I thought we were here for racing with the right foot well planted on the throttle.
If in two Temples of SPEED our main concern is to save virtual fuel, even if we are all in the same boat, there must be something wrong.

I had no time to prepare a strategy to save 0.1 virtual litre per lap, so when my fuel will finish I will park my car on the grass. So this is my strategy: if I finish the fuel every driver behind me will gain a place at the end of the race. I'm getting really too kind in this last period  :-X

Matteo, just do a proper pitstop and continue to flatout  ;) I don't see a bad things here. Because of champ race regulation . :)

I’m with Manteos on this fwiw, Daft doing fuel saving for a 40min race  ::)

You can’t really do a fuel stop here as it’s such a fast track you will lose too much time. I’ll park next to manteos on the last lap  ;D. Though if I have a -2 sec a lap deficit I’ll be lapped anyway and have enough fuel  :'(

Thanks for the rear-toe tip will try that. I had already moved it to negative as for some reason it was positive, but sounds like I need to increase it more.

I did a test yesterday and it's not that difficult to make the whole race. You need to target 3.5-3.7 L/lap and to get it just simply coast a bit before each braking point and don't use 3rd that often. I'll be around half a second slower per lap.

Interesting thanks, always struggling to work out what to do reduce the 20km/h corner speed deficit, without putting too much oversteer into the car!

Let's make every race a straight forward sprint without any driver input required for a good result  ::) .

I'm not going to change anything about the format just because some don't like some different approach.
It's the same situation for everybody and if you don't want to save fuel, go nuts on double softs or mediums stints.

These are the kind of races where surprising results can happen.

In short,  deal with it  :P

I imagine- Felix or Fabri taking pole, all pilots are not  pressing any gas before lights off. Than all starting from 2 nd gear. Felix is in the lift-off tactic. All other guys don't overtaking him because off proper defends. All racers are finishing in 0.01 sec gap in starting positions  ;D
So, anyway i hope in very interesting and extraordinary race tonight. Lets enjoy a nice fight guys!  :)  

I think i'll have no fuel for the last half lap.
I have not app for fuel cons. (I ve no apps in general). I prefer do more simulation, and i'm not sure if was possible a so precise fuel check in those cars.

I'll push faster possible until I'll finish the fuel.

PS: I don't like modern motorsport (strategies, tyres options, chicanes, part of track/part of no-track, etc).

I agree.

Jeff I so hope you run out of fuel tonight  :laugh:

You cant run out of fuel if:
- do a pit stop
- lift a bit the gas
- be lapped.

You only need to choose which of the three options is yours.

Also agree.  Especially as the 962c could not really be described as a 'sprint' car and most races it did would have required a pit stop to re-fuel.

P.S.  I'm bound to run out of fuel now

These cars need to turn on the brakes and throttle due to the nature of the differential they use. Toe settings certainly help but I've actually reduced these heavily for this round as the car is faster with the added stability.

As for the fuel complaints, We're driving simulated historic endurance racers.
Group C were all about driving to numbers! As we're all in the same boat and these random range issues created a fantastic race last time I don't see how an added strategy element is in any way a bad thing.

Personally I think races should be a minimum of an hour in cars like these, but am pretty sure I'd be over-ruled :laugh:

Might have to miss the race this evening. Probably won't be back in time unfortunely.

Has anyone started yet who uses a Rift? They seem to have buggered it up so mine isn't working >:(
Wondering if everyone else is in the same boat?

Rift not working waiting for a fix from oculus, apparently the certificate expired.  : >:(

Given their normal level of technical expertise that doesn't shock me :(
Recon HTC should do well from their new headset if their software is any better...

Not tried my Rift today but was okay last night. Will revert to my triples if needs be but be a shame

No race for me tonight.  Been hit but the worldwide Oculus Rift failure.  Was looking forward to the race too.

Thomas has just told me a work around, it seems to work :
Change your windows time to a month ago and restart your rift services (or just restart your pc).
That will fool it into working again  :)

Yes, I saw that advice on the forums, but too late in the day to make it for the race.

After this shitty day my 'race' could not have been so different. 3 hours spent in the traffic to do 12 kms inside Rome... Than I found traffic on the server because I didn't manage to join it before the quali was over. When I realized that at the end of the straight the driver in front of me had braked some 150 meters before my training braking point I had only the time to avoid the train of cars, and luckily the guard rails were sticky enough avoiding a sure disaster for some other drivers. The only thing that made me happy today.

Have fun chaps.

I lost the connection to my rift a few times in the first laps until it was completely gone and the picture was dark (USB bling bling) Then I lost also the connection to my wheel. Hope for a quick fix from Oculus. Unfortunately I hit Alexey(?) in the dark. Sorry! :'(  So I had to restart my PC.

So nice style, Thomas. I have no words else.

Sorry man, that I ruined your race. I had problems with the the rift. I saw nothing and just hit the breaks seeing nothing. It was the worst point on the track where this could happen. I accept all penalties regarding this. :-\

That was a race of ups and a very big low.

Qualified behind the usual suspects in 3rd. Had a decent start but I didn't realise Felix wasn't there anymore. Got a tow from Fabri and was able totake the lead into turn 1.

From there on it was new territory for me...saving fuel :D. Tried a few different things to save fuel and have enough for 27 laps. Me, Fabri and FMG were constantly together and they were swapping places while taking turns in attacking me. I think FMG backed off a few times to save fuel, only to come charging back at us. It was a bit like the constant swapping during cycling. I was more afraid of FMG's charges, as I suspected he was on low wing as well. I was on 0 rear wing and was able to fend off Fabri, but FMG's car came at me a bit faster  :o.

6 Minutes before the end I realised we were going so slow due to the fuel saving, that we were going to do 26 laps instead of 27 so I put my foot down, hoping the guys behind would not be able to follow. Unfortunatly for me, they also still had the fuel to keep up, but they were battling with eachother, which gave me a 1,5 seconds lead going into the final lap.

I knew my gearbox was in bad shape, so I was hoping it would survive. In the last downshift of the race...it broke down, just before the last corner. I thought I just misshifted so I tried to reengage it, but it had died and I rolled over the finish line  :'(. Sorry for the surprise there FMG, I was yanking the stick hoping it would come to life.

It was an amazing race and the fuel added a whole new dimension. Bit miffed I lost out on the win, but I'm glad I was atleast competitive.

A good race for me
Qualify 4th after which I was third with the same time of Jeff for a bit of minutes, I had a good start. FMG overtake me really fast, I thought that him had a pit in the middle of the race, but wasn't so.
All the race to manage the fuel, and kept a 6-7 seconds of gap. I start to push just 10 mins to the finish.
At last lap I saw a big crash at last corner, they was jeffrey and FMG, above me! Just have the space to overtake only jeffrey, and catched a good 3rd position just under the checkered flag

May be a re race? A lot of guys had a problems and not racing. I am not realized  my favorite combo of champ too...I am crying ... I am in sorrow...   :hang: I can't to sleep from now on!   :helpsmilie:

Yes, i agree. We can do a re-race of course, at Laguna Seca.  ;)

Hard race for me but also really great.
I did all race with Jeffrey and FMG, in a space of 1 second. We fought a lot. I was slower on straight and really faster on central part of track. I had wing 2. I was focus also on fuel cons. so when possible i lifted a bit.
On last corner i was really lucky (FMG and Jeffrey did a mistake) and i won.

Great race Jeffrey and FMG!  :thumbup1:

Well that was a disappointing snooze fest  :( but at least a good result with 5th.

With the rift troubles I had to configure my triples during qually and only managed a few laps with a weird tunnel vision stretched view. But I spent a few minutes tweaking it to look respectable even as I sat on the grid for race start  :o
Got a good start to overtake Sutol and stayed glued to a few cars ahead for a few laps but sadly Thomas and Alexey had a coming together at T1 and Sutol dropped back. That was the end of any semblance of a race as I was then on my own for the rest of the race  ::) except this time I had the unbridled joy of coasting and short shifting just to make it to the end  :thumbdown: it felt like a Sunday drive around the mountains. :sleep1:With about 3 laps to go I could see I would just have enough benzina so finally got to attack a couple of laps and crossed the line with 2L left.
:yawn:

I really don't get how 'the art of lifting the throttle on the straight' has become a sign of respect here.

I'll go on as ever, pretending not to have read the subsequent post on how people was good to save their fuel to do a lap less than it was scheduled for their strategy, in respect of the meaning of the word RACING.

Would have been a proper race simply cutting one lap before the start, instead of applying 'the fine art of lifting the throttle on the straight', just to obtain the same result in terms of laps. Sorry if I insist chaps  :'( :'( :'(

Then you should check the replay of the race FMG, Fabri and I had. It was a constant tussle between trying to save some fuel and defending from an attack or charging up for one. It wasn't a simple race of turn brain off and keep foot down. Every lap you had to decide what to do and even with fuel saving we were doing 31's.

Nope, just good old fashioned mistakes!
I started the race with a range of just over 41 minutes due to my setup, my intention was to get to the point where I had 2 minutes in the bank and then throw caution to the wind.

It's very easy to save fuel when behind slower/equal traffic so I was flat out from about lap 5. Just with a fairly long 5th to give me some saving.
Whenever I messed up and let Fabri back through I'd have to wait for my tires to normalise (most mistakes ended or started in a big slide ;D) and then start the job of recatching the pair of you. As Fabri would normally be slowly gaining on you in the draft it ment I couldn't close as  quickly as would be normal on the straights.

I'm gutted about the last turn, when it happened it was so sudden I couldn't do anything before hitting you - watching the replay it feels like I had all the time in the world  ::)

Oh well, I'll take 2nd. Considering I was also having rift issues (sound randomly cutting out for a second or so at a time, driving view randomly jumping around ect (once I found myself 3 feet to the right and 2 above the roof of my car!)) throughout the race I feel I earned it!
Absolutely epic race.

Managed to avoid 2 pileups in front but the 3rd got me. Ended up with a smashed windscreen, car drove ok but I think I lost a bit of downforce and picked up a bit of understeer. Very tricky driving with the smashed wrap around screen as it makes it difficult to pickup apexs. Raced around for ages with no one around and then my attention started to fail. Understeered into the barrier after T1 and had a major spin and crash (sorry to those coming down the straight, I didn't know where I was!!). Although no wishbone damage shown on app, the car would not steer so teleported back to pits, waited 67secs, went out and missed the braking point at the bottom of the hill (T3??), seemed to get stuck in the barrier as car would not move. Teleported back to the pits again, waited 37sec, then out again. I was, as you can see, determined to finish.

The barriers on this track were absolutely punishing to this fragile car, it's no wonder there were so many retirees.

My Wednesday race bad luck stroke again... BOD when I was preparing to go to the start grid.

Had to restart the pc and joined the server almost a lap down. Too bad as I lost what seemed like a nice race for the podium. :(

I qualified second and had good pace, even saving fuel. I guess this was good for the championship :)