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Title: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Jeffrey on April 27, 2018, 07:58:21 AM +0100
Password: see above (#post_event_password) (released 24hrs before the race)

Round 4 - Portimão

(https://s7.postimg.cc/ldhdmawij/Screenshot_ks_maserati_mc12_gt1_algarve_16-4-118-17-44-42.jpg)

June 6th - Password entry (on day of race)

Practise: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30   40 minutes

Cars allowed:
Maserati MC12

SKINPACK (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14913.0). Top of driver's list on the opening post.

Track:  Portimão (https://actrackrebootproject.wixsite.com/ac-track-re-boot/algarveinternationalcircuit)


Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Weather: Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: Not required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

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Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Baikal on May 26, 2018, 01:52:22 AM +0100
Just tested 20 laps race in hards. We are all know's- track config is very cool. It will be a holyday for Felix due Portugal.  :)
But track convert is not as good as VIR. Not optimized, low fps ( -20 for me), no penaltyes for wide exits and cutting. But not to "cut-wides" here in race is not possible in these tyres. Track mesh looks like is not done well, not builded\tuned after converting. IMHO we need's a Jeffrey additional explanations how to drive this track in Q and R.    
Hards only is possible..  >:( Pure masohism continues.. May be we need to change race rules , adding a mandatory pitstop to use meds ? I don't know.  :-\ Maybe i am is not right at all and all other 5 pilots (;D) are fully satisfied by current tyres using things.   :)
PS. Just checked track files and find a phisics mesh file.  :o They done it. But imho- this mesh is far away from normal track mesh..


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: spanner on May 31, 2018, 08:56:50 PM +0100
The media fire link worked for me just now


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Mark J on June 04, 2018, 11:28:54 PM +0100
Tough track this, though it’s a great roller coaster  :) the MC12 feels clumsy here though, especially in the tighter corners.  :-\
Nice version  8)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Manteos on June 05, 2018, 02:24:35 PM +0100
To say the truth, this car is one of the worse of the original AC cars I ever tried. It behaves in a totally unnatural way, especially on the kerbs. Brakes feel very strange too. Tyre model is rubbish. It's not funny at all, but I'll join this champ until the end anyway.  :angel:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Manteos on June 05, 2018, 10:52:26 PM +0100
Tried to complete a race with meds right now. Even this time they are useless and the car started to spin everywhere with 3 laps to go. I'll go with hards, but they're useless too. They never heat up properly and the car slides everywhere. It's not funny at all driving a car with so much bugs. Seems that Kunos developed physics and tyre model of this car meanwhile he was sitting on the toilet bowl  :-X


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Baikal on June 06, 2018, 01:35:54 AM +0100
Tried to complete a race with meds right now. Even this time they are useless and the car started to spin everywhere with 3 laps to go. I'll go with hards, but they're useless too. They never heat up properly and the car slides everywhere. It's not funny at all driving a car with so much bugs. Seems that Kunos developed physics and tyre model of this car meanwhile he was sitting on the toilet bowl  :-X
As i wrote above, and speaking ( crying ;D ) from series begun,  i wish the series rules should be corrected, to use meds normally. For example, 1 hour race , meds only and 1 mandatory pit with meds change. This  will save the situations and avoid bad attitude to series. :)
Other way- 1 race 30 min ( easyest but not so good way). Another one- 2 races 20 min with reversed grid.  :) The summer time is not for masohism racing , but for fun  :)
Anyway i am planning to race today on stupid hards to support UKAC.  :)  
PS . Unfortunatelly, Portimao mod is not high quality, (i mean bad track surfaces , cuting detections). Not suited well for this car with fixed dampers. I think we should to pass this way. Other one such tricky track will be holy Estoril, IMO. Too bumpy for this car ( in memory). Not tested.  Needs to be investigated before the race day .  All other  calendar's tracks will be ok, IMHO


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Baikal on June 06, 2018, 02:50:22 AM +0100
WoW guys! Evrika! ;D
 I've found an esyest solution! Use tyre wear rate 50 percents in server! All good guys will use meds in race! No other rules needs to be changed!
Pete, please, if you agree, just reset in server.cfg :
TYRE_WEAR_RATE=50
I've just tested it in my local server and it works fine  :)
Also, we can use mandatory of meds in whole series ( server.cfg too)
But... It will not fix bad car and not good track mod...  :(


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on June 06, 2018, 07:02:16 AM +0100
Haven't had time to do any practice, so will skip this one lads. Hope you all have a good race.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Baikal on June 06, 2018, 07:48:26 AM +0100
Hehe.. Just done some laps this combo in hards- med changing. I prefer to stay in hards here just because of more comfort, more stability under braking and more smooth in driving. And more fun in this bad track mesh.  Offcource, the  payment is lap times..


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Baikal on June 06, 2018, 07:53:23 AM +0100
Haven't had time to do any practice, so will skip this one lads. Hope you all have a good race.
You don't need any prac here, due combo specific things ))) It will be a true random race! ))) So, don't worry and  joing for show!  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Mark J on June 06, 2018, 11:44:38 AM +0100
Seems a shame Kunos did a half arse job with this car as it’s a lovely car in real life. The tyre problem seems the same as the 962 so wondering what other cars it affects. Anyone reported it to Kunos?
I got the meds to work at VIR but it was pretty dicey for last few laps on the tyre carcass  :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: picnic on June 06, 2018, 12:13:07 PM +0100
Pete, please, if you agree, just reset in server.cfg :
TYRE_WEAR_RATE=50
I don't have a problem with doing this but it's Jeff's call as it's his series.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Jeffrey on June 06, 2018, 01:06:55 PM +0100
Pete, please, if you agree, just reset in server.cfg :
TYRE_WEAR_RATE=50
I don't have a problem with doing this but it's Jeff's call as it's his series.

This round will remail the same. People have already practiced with hards and I think the hards are actually easier to drive than the mediums, so switching to the softer compound won't do the cars any good.
With the current settings, both tyres are an option, so there is some strategy involved, which IMO gives it some extra dimension.

I will change it in the future if the majority of people want it changed, I just can't alter things for an individual's opinion, as there will be no end to that.

If these cars prove very impopular, I can shorter the series to 6 races, followed by some fun races to bridge the holiday gap.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Felix Simoes on June 06, 2018, 03:58:56 PM +0100
Unfortunately I won't be able to take part on this one which is a shame. I have been to this track and was once a flag marshal there. It's real a great race track.    :( 

As for the track mod, I have to say that it's not very good. Most of the slow corners have too much banking (for lack of a better word) and the last corner seems too flat in comparison to the real one.

In regards with the proposed tire wear settings changes, I agree with Jeffrey. The current situation allows different strategies that have already played a key part in some races. I'd vote for leaving it as is.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: FullMetalGasket on June 06, 2018, 05:38:35 PM +0100
Seems a shame Kunos did a half arse job with this car as it’s a lovely car in real life. The tyre problem seems the same as the 962 so wondering what other cars it affects. Anyone reported it to Kunos?
I got the meds to work at VIR but it was pretty dicey for last few laps on the tyre carcass  :P

I'm still not convinced this is a bug - both cars are endurance racers so would spend nearly their entire life on hards.
Soft would be for qualifying.
Meds are for filling gaps in the strategy - and in the case of the 962 they were probably qualifying tires for the Nords....

Why would any race team choose a strategy that gives and extra second a lap but requires considerably more time in the pits? Remember pit stops in GT racing are strictly controlled in terms of pit crew and tires are done before or after the fuel, not during.


Expect me to be slow today - instead of practicing this week I've been building a DIY sequential shifter as my G25 gearstick has given up the ghost in sequential mode.
If I kept using it I'd end up killing the H pattern and driving with paddles in VR is very hard for me as I naturally reach for the gear lever in front of me :wacko:
Looking forward to seeing how well my bodge works - if it's good then I'll be turning some aluminium offcuts into a proper shifter and adding a load more buttons to it over the next few weeks/months ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Baikal on June 06, 2018, 09:25:13 PM +0100
The Great Masohist's combo is done!  Congrats guys! Matteo- you are the champion of Great Maso!  ;D
P3 was my pos after qualy. P3 was my pos after the race  :) Was walking by P3-P2-P3-P4-P5-P4-P3 ;D
After start a massive microfreezez occur in first laps. This track is not ready for champs. Bad combo, bad track surface.
Jeff, in this car we needs only good flat track surfaces! Watkins Glenn will be good here!  :)
/// BTW in final was fun to stay my racing wheel in my hands due tyres impacts. ;D
Mark J, what happend with you man?  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Mark J on June 06, 2018, 10:39:01 PM +0100
I retired Alex.  :( I really wasn’t enjoying this combo and just couldn’t face another 20 minutes of dragging this clumsy ill handling car about. It just felt like it lurched from corner to corner and had the damping of a house brick.
Could have kept going for a possible 3rd but I was 15 secs behind the front two and Alex/spanner were 6 secs behind so I began thinking how much I wasnt enjoying it and started dropping 2-3 secs a lap until I retired  the car.
Sorry guys just not doing it for me especially with such small turnouts  :(


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: spanner on June 06, 2018, 11:39:17 PM +0100
Hmm. Felt i was the only one in control through that! With Apex not able to find the apexes when i was behind him and then Alexis also looking out of control at times. Going in side by side into the kink before the righthander i was expecting a bit more room given, hitting the side of Alexey and dropping to the back. Enjoyed driving it, from then trying to chase down Apex and reclaim something.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 10 - Maserati MC12 - Portimão - Jun 6
Post by: Baikal on June 07, 2018, 05:05:11 AM +0100
Going in side by side into the kink before the righthander i was expecting a bit more room given, hitting the side of Alexey and dropping to the back. Enjoyed driving it, from then trying to chase down Apex and reclaim something.
Yeah, Mark... I saw you in left side, but i was in more speeding line, trying to free more space to you but may be not enough.. Sorry for that. :)
I thinked else that you should use a gas off a bit when approaching to speed corner from lower performance direction..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raa-tGrveyE&feature=youtu.be

Car was very unstable in this session. Too slippery and unpredictable. IMHO- it was an assetto corsa phisics process drops due bad track optimization ( "phisics late" parameter in AC game) May be i need a more cool CPU than old and wise 2600k @4500. But it's brings a lot of CRAZY fun.  I think it was a joke race for me in the end  :D