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Season 33 - 65 - Round 2 -  Solitude

Welcome to the second round of the combined 65s championship.

For the first time we use the new 65 token system for your car choice,
so please read the rules and car ranking on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=638&theme=6)


This was the first F1 race I watched live (1964):
"The 14th Solitude Grand Prix was a non-Championship motor race, run to Formula One rules, held on 19 July 1964 at the Solitudering, near Stuttgart. The race was run over 20 laps of the circuit, and was won by Jim Clark in a Lotus 33, after a close battle with John Surtees in a Ferrari 158.
Seven drivers crashed out on the first lap due to heavy rain and standing water on the circuit."

The rules and driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=638&theme=6)

We race in intermediate mode.

- Pro driver have no shift+r available
- Intermediates and Amateurs have a single shift+r with a stop and go in the pits available!

Only reported incidents will be moderated, there is no Red Zone.

Race List	=	IGOR
Server	=	UKGPL_8
IP Address	=	look at IGOR
Race date	=	29-05-2018
GPL mod	=	65F1
60fps patch used	=	60fpsV2newmod
Track	=	Solitude
Qualification	=	20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race	=	race starts at ~21:30 UK time
Race length	=	~50 min -> 14 laps
Damage Model	=	Int
Replay	=	here (ftp://ftp.ukgpl9.co.uk:32122/Season33/65F1/)

GLA and have FUN

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver	Tokens	Status
AnGex	17	Pro
bagrupp	2	Pro
Cookie	19	Pro
DLogan	19	Pro
Doni Yourth	19	Pro
EvilClive	19	Pro
Robert Fleurke	17	Pro
Gareth	10	Pro
Uli	19	Pro
MagicArsouille	19	Pro
Carlos Cendejas	17	Pro
dave curtis	57	Int
francesco	44	Int
miner2049er	59	Int
Phil Thornton	44	Int
Billy Nobrakes	45	Int

Well after my stupid taking bt11 in the first race after arriving late and forgetting the new rules, i just realized that you shouldn't fall down to 0 token, you can't efford any car than, you need 1 token.
Or is it impossible?

You will allways have minimum of 10 tokens when you join a race...

 ::) :oops:

hi :) ......make it clear......I have allready 19 tockens, if I choise the lotus at 19 tockens , I will be to zero tocken.......I will receive my 10 tockens for the next race ?!!....

Yes Tristan, exactly!

You have 19 tokens before you start this race. If you take the Lotus you will have 19 + 10 - 19 = 10 tokens to carry over to the next race.  If you take the Lotus again, you will have 10 + 10 - 19 = 1 token left. Starting the following race you would have 1 + 10 = 11 so you would have to take a Cooper or BT7. You would need 13 tokens for a Honda.

Great racing with Dave, Jack and Fran. I needed my shift-R, I missed a gear at the tight left hander and ended up in the trees.

Amazing race by Dean, last on grid to third in the BT7. 

Sorry Axel .... :/    I don't realy expected to over take you, but I had mutch speed or you had less speed ?....maybe both ?....so I dive inside but you too....I go on grass to try to avoid contact ....but no room at all !...I wait for you but you don(t come....sorry that this incident ended your race.... :-[

I agree - was quite exciting! Although despite some PB times (in that car - have only really driven the Lotus in other series) was not as 'competitive' as I hoped.

In addition, my fairly recent tracking-band thing would also suggest that Solitude is apparently more exciting than Crystal Palace  (although was no help at all when it came to picking a setup!).


True! Although your 6-place rise was also not too shabby :)


Cheers,
Dave.

Fun and well known track. It was one of the major add-on tracks back in the day.

Just did enough testing to have a well balanced setup, and saved my best laptimes for the event. I accepted Uli's challenge and pulled off a low38, another Pole in the Cooper! :)

Start was good and held on to the lead, until heading towards Schatten on the long backstraight. Both Uli and Axel got closer with superior topspeed. Uli tried to outbrake me, but then gave me a knock into the haybales. No harm, no foul, held on to the lead :P Car was still good, but later that lap we lost Axel who got taken out sadly...a lap later I braked too late for Schatten and again went into the barrier. From then on had a good focus and rhythm, increased the gap to Uli and later Tristan. Then Tristan dropped. Late race started to think about random stuff, and went off, almost visiting the Café, losing more than 10s. Pushed last lap and I did actually beat the Cooper WR with an on-track lap. Especially final sector was excellent. ;)

Good job Uli, Dean (from the back!) and finishers! Commiserations to the DNF's...

Yeah, shame Tris, I was stuck on the armco...

I know, this is the place where you can gain a lot by cutting the corners,
but I had decided to have at least 2 wheels on the tarmac ;)

Grats podium and Rob for a great win!

Yes, but with a lot of error i threw away the second place.The biggest was at lap 2 where i have failed the breaking.Lost a wheel ,shift-R.The second ,in order of importance,was when i gived the opportunity to Phil to regain road on the straight.
Then there are others but not so important.Anyway not planty satisfied about my race but also not disappointed.

SRY Robert for my tackling at Schatten, my fault, stuck back. I was happy that we could go on.
My one and only chance to take the lead was forgiven ...
After spinning at the same place (Schatten) Tristan passes me. When he crashed I just I carried the Honda home.
GRATS RObert and Dean
cu you all next, maybe at Pau

I've always found it difficult to be quick in the 65s so I'm pleased to be P2 in the Div 2 championship standings after a couple of rounds. However Mike does seem to be the man to beat with a couple of D2 wins.  Grats Mike, your time away hasn't slowed you down. I think I need to get some practice in!

Thanks Phil, I was a bit surprised to start as high as 5th but was happy with a PB in Qually.

The race started well and I was racing with some of the Ams but then got hit and launched skyward at about a thrid distance. I didn't need to reset but the car felt a bit squiffy after that. I was able to push but I couldn't get any heat in the tyres and lacked some grip so I couldn't really push the lap times too much. Luckily my good early laps had built a gap behind and I was able to try and keep it going as the other Ams had their own battles.

It was a lonely race after that and I had a couple of moments, once when I mounted the bales at T3 but was able to reverse off them and I did a perfect priouette at one point without hitting anything. Luckily for me because I ripped the wheels off on the very last lap and had to reset. (I will need 15 seconds adding in lieu of my missed SnG).


I do have a question: I was racing with the Ams early on and fought for position but is there a rule or implied etiquette that I should let them go and not race them as they are in a different race effectively?

I think you mean the Div 1 Pro drivers. They are in their own race but there is no reason why you shouldn't try to race with them provided you do it fairly. I'm sure most of the Pro drivers would appreciate a dice with a competitive but honourable driver. I doubt they would appreciate being punted off by an Intermediate or Amateur over-driving beyond their abilities.

I do, yes.


That's what I thought. I tend to do most of my punting in 55s :)

Mike, I am not moderating this series but the guidance for the 67s is that slower Privateers should be courteous being lapped but are free to race if it is for track position. With the token system there are probably going to be cases where the better Amateurs will be on par with some of the Pros.

Thanks Billy.

As there are 2 separate championships for Pro/Ams
an Ams driver should not defend his position hard versus a fast upcomming pro driver as he is not racing him for position!

I am not happy with this solution, but we will not tolerate blocking slow driver in fast cars...

Happy to have a debate about this.

I was thinking of situations where the the speeds are evenly matched. There may be other circumstances where a faster driver has spun off.

We need to have a rules which are easily understood by everyone.

There are rules against blocking & weaving.

The incident I was referring to in particular was a battle I had with DLogan who was in the BT7 (I was in the BT11).

I felt I had the pace to take the racing line through the early part of the lap and I didn't slow to let him past as that could affect my race but once he had passed me at Schatten I let him go and he pulled away.

I don't believe I affected his race but he can comment on that if he likes.

Had I caught him I would have only attempted a pass on the straight (which my faster car would have done in the slipstream all along that loooooong section) and would have followed him through the twisty bits.

Mosport tomorrow will be a different prospect, and while I don't expect to be at the same level over a race length, there may be laps where I am being chased by Ams and if I am held up by a BT7 I feel I should be allowed to make a pass and compete in my own race. If I am forced to follow a Pro in a BT7 and not pass I could be passed myself by a chasing Amateur.


P.S.
I'm not assuming for one minute that I will be able to pass a Pro at Mosport but that is a hypothetical situation which merits some discussion, perhaps in its own thread.

A general comment about competing on a combined grid :

GPL flagmen don't have an Elitist flag to wave, if a higher rated driver needs some overtaking assistance. 

There are no unskilled drivers at Ukgpl  - only racers who want to race.  8)

I don't use Prib, so I only have the pitboards and my poor memory to keep track of who's around me, and I am NOT adding keeping track of "is he an am or a pro" while trying to avoid using the chrome horn  ;), and I do NOT expect anyone else to do so while trying not to spin in front of me. If we're of a pace (whatever the circumstances leading to), and you can defend/attack cleanly, please race me. Lapped traffic is a totally different matter.

Mike: your driving at Solitude was pro-standard, and your defense was perfectly clean. No complaints at all. (Kudos to Andreas, as well). I was kind of surprised when I didn't get immediately swamped on the straight after passing you, was settling in to spend another lap hounding you, saw you leave the door open going down to the hotel so I took advantage thinking you'd slot in behind, and heart fell when watching in mirrors.  :( Glad you finished.

I think that is a fair point but it ultimately comes down to common sense.

The fast approaching Pros will make mincemeat of me in any car, but as mentioned, there is a crossover with Pros in slow cars and Ams in fast cars, and that is where the discussion might be needed.

Taking the line and not spoiling your own race is very different to blocking (which we have rules for) and of course lapping cars is very different and is also covered in the rules.


I'm going to print that out and keep it. Haha!

Thank you.