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1955 Grand Prix - Round 3 – Indianapolis Motor Speedway

The third race in the 1955 Grand Prix series takes us to Indianapolis in the USA. Constructed in 1909, it is the second purpose built banked oval racing circuit after Brooklands and the first to be called a 'speedway'. It has a permanent seating capacity of 257,325 with infield seating raising the grand total capacity to an approximate 400,000. It is the highest-capacity sports venue in the world. An estimated 80,000 spectators attended the first 500-mile (800 km) race on Memorial Day, May 30, 1911. Forty cars competed with Ray Harroun winning at an average speed of 74.602 miles per hour (120.060 km/h). The 500 mile race remained a regular event at the "brickyard" during the 20s, 30s and 40s. Eventually it became part of the Formula One World Championship between 1950 and 1960. None of the Indy drivers of that era raced in Formula One and only Ferrari's F1 driver, Alberto Ascari, raced in the 500 in 1952. The 1955 Indy 500 was won by Bob Sweikert in a Kurtis Kraft powered by an Offenhauser engine. However, the race is notable to many as the race in which Bill Vukovich was killed in a crash while seemingly on his way to winning an unprecedented third consecutive Indy 500. Five-time world champion Juan Fangio practiced at the speedway in 1958, but ultimately decided against racing there.

Carefully read the rules on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=639&theme=6).

Race list	iGOR
Server	UKGPL_4
IP address	See IGOR
Date	17-06-2018
Track	IMS (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=3794)
Mod	55F1 with 60fpsV2newmod
Damage	PRO long
Race time	~ 21:30 UK time
Qualifying	20:45 UK time - 45 minutes
Race length	45 laps
Replay	here (ftp://ftp.ukgpl9.co.uk:32122/Season33/55GP)

Please restrict chat to emergency messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=639&theme=6)

Handicapping and chassis allocation.
This season the 1955 Grand Prix cars will be using a token system which allows drivers to purchase any chassis of their choice for a given number of tokens as published on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=639&theme=6). Drivers classed as Amateurs will be allocated an additional 10 tokens.  The token allocation will not be managed in SRou this season so (unlike the 67F1 Works and 67F1 Privateer divisions) the tokens available to each driver will not appear in the championship table (when the mouse pointer is hovered over the driver's total).  Rather, the available tokens will be published in the race announcement. See table below.

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver	Tokens	Status
bagrupp	12	Pro
Clive Loynes	30	Pro
Doni Yourth	30	Pro
EvilClive	10	Pro
fpolicardi	18	Am
francesco	15	Am
Phil Thornton	25	Am
DLogan	16	Am
Gareth	20	Am
Jeep	12	Am
Uli	10	Pro
FullMetalGasket	30	Pro
Will Tway	10	Pro
Baab	18	Am
Cookie	5	Pro
Samb	10	Pro

Last season, this event was a complete wash-out for me.

I'm hoping for better and it shouldn't be difficult!   ::)

Practice server is up on IGOR. GLA.

Thanks Phil.

the problem is that it's Fathers Day and I don't seem to have control of the agenda!

Server works for me.  ;-)

I have installed the indy 67 (ind) but could not login because of error mesasge track not installed???
offline it was np ?
shame

Check you're using 67season.ini

it's IMS (indy 99) that we're using, not indy67

Welp, go to join the race and stupid wheel is now recognized as a Wingman Force GP, not the G25 that's plugged into the stupid box, so no throttle, no brake, no shift paddles, ****. Frantic unplug, re-plug, restart Profiler, reboot even, no go, try the uninstall Profiler to re-install it route and ... we're out of time, folks.

gla, cyas next.

ETA: got it fixed now. fwiw trying to find the proper install package (lgs510_x64.exe) at the Logi website has always been hard, now it's impossible. thankfully dug a copy up on an old drive.

Logitech download link here: G25 & G27 software is the same.

http://support.logitech.com/en_gb/product/g27-racing-wheel/downloads# (http://support.logitech.com/en_gb/product/g27-racing-wheel/downloads#)

There have been many problems with Win10, GPL, Pribluda & Logitech...but right now, no issues on a fully updated Windows 10

http://www.gpl1967.dk/GPLDK/showthread.php?4-Logitech-G25-G27&p=108&viewfull=1#post108

For me is the second time that i join the race and i don't have the 5th gear.Indy and Mexico with 67.Any explanation?
Forced to choose a car with only 4 gear, instead of the Lancia, with an improvised setup.

Hi Fran,

Is this using paddles or H-Shift?

I've loaded the chassis the drivers used into the token calculator spreadsheet.  For the next race the available tokens will be as declared in the table below (the table will also appear in the next race announcement).  The calculated values are automated but selecting the cars is a manual process so please check your tokens to make sure I haven't made a silly error.  There was no token overspend for this round so no one is disqualified.

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver	Tokens	Status
bagrupp	7	Pro
Clive Loynes	22	Pro
Doni Yourth	30	Pro
EvilClive	8	Pro
fpolicardi	8	Am
francesco	15	Am
Phil Thornton	15	Am
DLogan	16	Am
Gareth	20	Am
Jeep	12	Am
Uli	8	Pro
FullMetalGasket	40	Pro
Will Tway	10	Pro
Baab	18	Am
Cookie	0	Pro
Samb	10	Pro

Is h shift ACT lab.Now i have the new wheel,a fanatec.With this one i must use Fairshift program because with GPLshift i have not found the way to work.I don't know if is a server problem.Could you check if there was something in common with Mexico?
This time no incidents.....it was obvious i did my race alone :)

But seem wrong the result or was wrong my Pribluda?Fullmetalgasket was behind me of one lap,so say my Pribluda.

Do you have any other sims to try it on to make sure that the H-Shift is working properly?

I would suspect the micro-switch on the 5th gear position.

Don't see how it can be a server issue.  

Do none of the cars with 5 gears work properly?  How about something with 6 gears?  Didn't the '65 Honda have six?

Tim started from the pits so Prib would have been wrong.

Yes he did so his first lap was ignored by the lap counter because his pit stall was after the start line.  I checked the replay and manually updated the results. The table is correct.

That was a fantastic race and just to put the icing on the cake, I won!  

Wonder when my last UKGPL win was?

A big thank you to Sam for his setup from last season.  It was amazing!  You just had to point it!

Another big thank you to Fran, for spotting in his mirrors that I was following Bastian and for giving me the room to pass.

Then finally thank you to Bastian, Evil and Doni, the people that figured in my race, for their excellent driving.  45 laps and not a scratch!

I suppose that I should thank Mercedes for the grunt in their engine that took me across the line just a gnat's nadger in front of Bastian.  Sorry about that Bastian.

Tim is keeping up a good score rate in the Gordini and will have a fortune in Thornton Dollars by the end of the season!

Not sure what happened to Evil.  He just went off in T1 in a cloud of tyre smoke when there was nobody near him.

When i play not online all work correctly.The last race at Mosport was with BRM with 6 gear and i have had no problem.
My exit from the race of yesterday was to check the game not online.The Lancia at Indy was right but when i came back online the 5th gear was out.Another time with the same issue was a fun race at Monza with the Canam66.In this case only 2 gear ,after the exit,i choose a car with only 2 gear that in the Canam exist.Seem that i choose a car in Igor but into the game is another with different number of gear.Perhaps is better to say that the car appear correct but the gear box not.Is also true that until i used GPLshifter this problem was unknown.

What happens if you select the car in GEM?  That might enable the H-Shift software and GPL to be synchronised.

Cannot say that i am not dissapointed.
I would have more liked to lose with 1 Second than 0.01.

But a great drive and nice fights with Clive and evil.
I'm not sure being involved with the End of John's race, if there was contact i am very sorry.

Deserved win for clive after all, i was using the setup you gave me after last year's race.

Yes Clive,not online but in GEM all is ok.

But probably you mean if i join with GEM instead of Igor?
Is the same.

I was meaning that you should start in GEM and select your car at that point.  Then go to iGOR to join the server.

You could also try to select your car in GEM and then go to GPL and join the server via its IP address.

Congratulations Clive, the first win since your comeback and well deserved, although Bastian made it a close run thing. :o

I am still kicking myself for throwing away what was a safe 3rd place finish. I actually used a qualifying setup, which I normally don't bother with, just to try and get near the front of the grid and the faster cars. Slipstreaming around IMS is a must and I was hoping to attach a tow rope and get dragged along.
The Maserati 250F is a nice car to drive, but just lacks the outright grunt to bother the Merc or the Lancia and there were a couple of Ferraris giving me problems in the early laps too. John suffered contact with the wall and dropped out of the leading group leaving Bastian, Clive and Doni + me.
Bastian then paused to inspect the concrete wall and an unhassled Clive was in danger of escaping. Until then I had been happy to sit in 3rd and watch and wait.

 Clive raised the pace and a small gap to grew between him and Doni. Sorry Doni, but I had to make the pass and chase after the leader before that gap grew too big. Fortunately I hooked up the tow again and slowly closed down on Clive just as a recovering Bastian brought his Lancia back to the battle. Doni appeared to lose a little ground and so it was a 3 car group going into the second half of the race.

I wanted to sit back and enjoy the slipstream, but Bastian and Clive continually disputed who had the right to which corner and compromised their pace. I was forced into making a pass on several occasions when their corner speeds dropped so much that I was in danger of having to lift or brake ( or rear end someone!!), something that the setup did not like, so I simply ran through on the inside line and allowed them to use their power to retake the position later.
Without one of them making a big mistake I just did think that I had the power to outdrag them to the line on the final lap, but I thought I would give it a trial run with about 15 laps to go just to see if it was possible. So I stuck my car down the inside at T3. I held a tight entry to T4 and gave it max beans.......bad move.
The car slid just a little too much and I clouted the wall on the exit ( the first contact with the concrete up to that point!) everything felt fine until I got to T1, where whatever damage I had sustained snapped the car to the left as I turned in and then back to the right and straight into the outside wall.........ouch!!!!
Like I said, if i had been content just to sit and wait I would have been towed along to a comfortable 3rd, but the lure of poaching extra positions in a last lap swoop proved too much.  :-\

Yes Clive,already done in the Mexico race but nothing to do.for this reason i suspect the server with some problem wifh fairshift.

Thank you. 

For my part, I was trying to figure out where I needed to be in front in order to be first across the line.  After your demise, I had settled for passing Bastian on the back straight on the last lap but we had encountered Fran on the lap before.  This dropped me back too far for that to happen.  Bastian judged correctly that he could take his normal line into turn three, despite knowing that I was on a tighter line. 

Thankfully, Sam's Merc setup was superb, in that it allowed me to go through turns two and four without a lift.  I slipstreamed Bastian for the last lap and was committed to keeping my right foot planted in turn four, irrespective of how close he might be.  A little more slipstream down the home straight did it.  Just!!!

It's a good job that we have GPL to tell us who won because I've looked at the photo-finish and we could debate that one until the cows come home as to who is in the front!

Perhaps we could try my server this evening to see if that gives the same result?

I find it difficult to understand how the server could have this effect.

Is difficult also for me to understand why could br the setver but at the moment i have no other idea.

I use fairshift with my G25 H shifter and I had no problems with the server. Worth a try but I can't see how this could be a server issue.

I don't know Phil,until now excluding the 3 races named in the previous post,all the other was ok.For the moment with the 65 and 66 no problem,but the tests are too few to
Allow to say if is a mod problem with the online.

Does fairshift even activate offline? It could be an issue with the program itself (I don't run it so have no idea how it's setup/used).


Onto the subject of the race I'm pleasantly surprised at how far back up the order I managed to drag myself after my utter failure to press the correct button before race start :censored:
I always suspected the Gordini could be surprisingly fast here as it actually has a good top speed and handles well, but my strategy was always to draft the faster cars until near the end and only try passing right at the end of the race...
Being allowed to leave the pits at about the point you lot were halfway round T2 was about as far from my planned strategy as you could get ::)

I think my qualifying time might actually have been done without tow, the 2 times I managed to draft someone I found myself having to back off either on the straight or mid corner - the Gordini just seemed to carry loads of speed there.
Unfortunately that also led to my other bad moment in the race - having just caught Phils SL I was lining up exiting either T2 or 4 ready to hold the draft and pass into the next corner when suddenly his car flew off into the wall!
Obviously not a mistake by him, it had to be contact of some sort - but I was sure I was holding back enough. Either I wasn't as far back as I thought, or lag just picked a really inopportune moment to happen :(

I hope that didn't massively affect your race Phil - I'd noticed you were previously heavily in battle with Fulvio and Uli and would be ashamed if I ruined it (Hence waiting for you).

Otherwise apologies to everyone who found themselves suprised at the flying 'lapped' car, I'm not really sure what/how I could have made it known the server and dropped me a lap..

Congrats to Clive/Bastian for the photo finish, sorry to Doni for stealing 3rd in the closing laps and bad luck to the non-finishers.
The tracks are getting more twisty now so things will start getting harder for me now ;)


Oh, one other thing - car the server car be set as something other than a Gordini?
I keep being given the flying Banana and the brake light doesn't work in it, that caused at least one off at Pau and will only get worse further into the season :)

Can fairshift be switched off in GEM, or by some other means, just to see if the gears come back?

Fairshift must be  started before the GEM or Igor start otherwise the gear box don't work into the game.I can try to ask in GPL Repository if someone have an idea.The chance of succes i think that are very few.

One question for Phil:why you don't use GPLshifter?there is a reason or is only a preference?

I thought that Fairshift prevented those who use the H-Shift from gaining an unfair advantage that GPLShift provided through being able to change gear more swiftly than the original game allowed.  It is therefore stipulated as being required by, for example, GPLRACER for their races and they check the replays to establish that all gear changes took the required amount of time.

Does happen the same if you use paddles to shift?

LOL I didn't know that one  :laugh:

Tim that flying banana was absolutely flying!  :o Chapeau!

My race was uneventful, picked the SL hoping for more speed but hadn't practiced at all I started with default setup only with an increased pressure on RF tire. In qualy I found a massive understeer on turns but I was to busy to learn how to take the turns without burning the RF to try some change in the setup.
In the race I had some battle with Phil and Uli, but I couldn't defense on turns so I settled behind Uli after Phil had lost time with a spin.

Next one

Fulvio i can't use the paddle.As explained before no button work with this new wheel into gpl.

Well done Clive! Great to see you winning again. I'm glad the setup worked for you  :)

Cheers Sam.  ;-)

Give it another nine years and I might manage it again!   ::)

I don't think that I have the knowledge to solve this but those who can, probably need a detailed, chronological, bullet-pointed list of the observations, back to when it was last working properly.

With things like buttons not being recognised there may be more than one problem and at the minute the full story seems to be spread over about twenty posts.

It probably needs posting in the general GPL section rather than the announcements section too.

Clive i have made some post on srmz.
Now i have some solution.About thr button exist a program named joytokey that seem to work with the Fanatec.
On the other side,the gear box,Axel have remebered me the reading on the download site.
There is no a solution for this problem but thereis a suggestion:in the folder Gplshift is better to select none under device.Could be that this cause a conflict without nonone?i don't know the only way is to test in the next races.

Mod report published.