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Season 33 Historic Trophy - Round 5 – Monza 10k


The fifth race in the 1966 Grand Prix series finds us in Italy at the Cathedral of Speed. The Autodromo Nazionale Monza is a race track located near the city of Monza, north of Milan.  Built in the Royal Villa of Monza park in a woodland setting, the circuit has gone through numerous changes over the years.  Perhaps the most striking feature in the park is the steep banked (sopraelevata) curves on the now defunct 10Km variant, first used in 1955.  The original circuit (used between 1922 and 1933) also had an oval section but the banked curves were not as wide or as steep as the later 1955 variant.  The banked circuit was used on four occasions for Formula 1 races; in 1955, 1956, 1960 and finally in 1961 when it was decided that Formula 1 cars were just too fast to be safe on the oval track.   The banked oval section was last used in any capacity in 1969.  From 1962 onwards, the Formula 1 Grand Prix was held on the "road circuit" which by the early 1970s was also deemed to be too fast for Formula 1 cars.  Two chicanes were introduced for 1972 Italian Grand Prix, one at the Ascari curve and another on the approach to the Curva Grande.  Tonight we will relive the dramatic race in 1955 on the full 10Km circuit complete with steep bankings and no chicanes. The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Race List	=	IGOR
Server	=	UKGPL_8
IP Address	=	look at IGOR
Race date	=	17-07-2018
GPL mod	=	66F1
60fps patch used	=	60fpsV2newmod
Track	monza10k (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=11806&#entry125103)
Qualification	=	20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race	=	race starts at ~21:30 UK time
Race length	=	~50 min -> 20 laps
Damage Model	=	PRO
Replay	=	here (ftp://ftp.ukgpl9.co.uk:32122/Season33/66F1/)

Drivers must complete 50% of each race to score.
Only reported incidents will be moderated, there is no Red Zone.

Handicapping and chassis allocation.
This season the Historics will be using a token system which allows drivers to purchase any chassis of their choice, 2 litre or 3 litre, for a given number of tokens as published on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=640&theme=6). Drivers classed as Amateurs will be allocated an additional 10 tokens.  The token allocation will not be managed in SRou this season so (unlike the 67F1 Works and 67F1 Privateer divisions) the tokens available to each driver will not appear in the championship table (when the mouse pointer is hovered over the driver's total).  Rather, the available tokens will be published in the race announcement.  See below.


Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver	Tokens	Status
AnGex	11	Pro
bagrupp	22	Pro
Billy Nobrakes	14	Am
Cookie	11	Pro
DLogan	36	Pro
Doni Yourth	30	Pro
EvilClive	22	Pro
francesco	24	Am
Phil Thornton	27	Am
Rainier	30	Am
Gareth	20	Am
Tristan Bot	12	Pro
Jack O'Ferrall	23	Am
Ziu Bacubacu	14	Pro

Igor down?
Can not see any server...

yes Igor is down...it was OK about an hour ago  :-\

any1 has the ip?

Sorry. I was looking for the last race when IGOR was down but that was Phils server. I will wait a bit to see if Cookie logs on.

IGOR chat is working and we have 4 drivers waiting.....

I have the ip down as 188.104.221.37 but that may be old and it is a bit difficult to read.

Try 223 if 221 doesn't work.

Race list still bust here.

It's up and down like a bride's nightie!

thanks Clive..I'll give it a spin


edit ….afraid not

IGOR not working

not yet Ziu  >:(
UKGPL chat is working in Igor

I tried to use the magic number of Clive  :(

Are we sure that it is UKGPL-8?

My chat not working

I don't see any server, just I can read for help go to gpllinks.org

use the IP

178.7.246.96

they don't know the ip Axel

Clive ip not working

Don't work I read error connecting

The others have connected using that Ziu

 I give up guys, I hope next time I solved, have good race all !

That's a shame.

Have you joined this server before?

What message are you getting?

Just scraped onto the grid. Doing a careful outlap & found a car turning on the banking. I guess they were not expecting me lumbering around at the back.  A very short race tonight. Can I have my tokens back??

LOL

No refunds Billy.

Rainier missed the start.  How much qually was there?

I could not connect ... I tried at 09:33 uk time
 
usually qually stops at 09:30 and server ip was known at 09:25 (see Cookie's mail)  

so less than 8 minutes qually.

Not nice !

i didnt have time to setup the car...so it was even worse than usual !

Good news I can see again all servers. I don't know why but every time I finish to eat all world seems most nice and IGOR restarted to work (http://www.vocinelweb.it/faccine/biggrin/24.gif)

10 min to go I was wondering about the low number of drivers in the race,
so I decided to leave the race but let all PCs running,
startet my laptop to find iGOR down -
than I posted the IP,
 sorry but on the server you know nothing if its down...

My engine broke with a little help... again!

What happen Axel?loos of power?
Thank to your bad luck i have gained the second position.Is the first time with the 66.

Sorry Billy, that was me. With only 1 min of Qualy I thought my wheel was misbehaving then came the Banking and even more missbehaving. Strangely after that all felt normal again.  ???
My apoligies again, Excuse me please...  :(

Great race with Evil and Andreas. We were swapping places every lap. I could only keep up thanks to the generous draft ;D. Sorry about the contact on the last lap Andreas, I didn't feel anything (it looks like warp contact to me). Pity it would have been a three car sprint to the line!

You mean all those ragged speedshifts, while working against me from step 1, slowing us down for no gain, PARKING in my blind spot, pulling out of the draft at the worst possible time, forcing me offline (because you KNOW I won't turn in if I don't know where you are) to the point of scraping barriers and taking severe damage, trying to get me to crash, pulling what are in my opinion STUPID attacks AND defenses? Yeah, they'll do it.

If you don't know by now that going around the outside of someone traction-limited through Ascari is a generally BAD IDEA, when an easy draft and outbrake is available ONE CORNER LATER, that you KNOW I won't defend mightily because there's NO POINT, then I just can't even.

Report it or bite it.

Andreas, no apology necessary. I know it is very difficult to move a car at low speed on the banking. With my approach speed I had to pick left or right & hope for the best. Going heavy on the brakes would probably have had the same end result & risk collecting your car.
Well done Fran on 2nd place - not bad for an Amateur. Whilst the IGOR situation was unfortunate I don't think it justifies a replay.

With a bit of luck,but in any human activity is needed :)

Grats to Dean and Fran, they were way in front by the end of the race.

I think I was the last guy on to the server last night. I had selected the 3 litre BRM because I had rarely used it before and I wanted to tweak the handling to suit my driving.

Just as I arrived at Monza10k, qually finished and the countdown to the start began, so I just had to grab a setup and go to the grid  :o :o and that was right at the back of the grid!

All I had time for was to lengthen the top end ratios for slipstreaming...and that was a total guess!!! When the flag dropped i found myself passing several cars on the run down to T1 and I began to worry that my ratios were all too low and all I had under the bonnet was acceleration, and no top end.???
By the end of lap 1 I knew that 5th and 6th were not quite right, but at least I would not be blowing the engine, even if they were a little too high. In fact I could run the bankings in 5th and only needed 6th for the very end of the straights  :-\ :-\
The handling was a bit unpredicatable too which resulted in a few offs in the early laps until I learned to adapt the braking and cornering.

At one point I was back to last place again and chased down Andreas in his Cooper, but when I caught him he seemed to respond by speeding up!!
Together we closed down Phil and Bastian, who were having their own battle in Ferraris and I was surprised that we had the pace to catch them. Then Bastian had some problems and dropped out so it was Phil, Andreas and myself in a ding dong battle of slipstreaming and close racing  :thumbup2:
We caught and passed a limping Axel, so our three way battle was now for the bottom step of the podium with about half the race still to go.
It was very clear that both Andreas and Phil had more speed than I did, and I was trying different ways of getting off the final turn for the drag race to the line, but whatever I tried ..they were always across the line before me!!!  : :-\

I was sure that I was going to finish behind Phil and Andreas, until on the last lap Andreas disappeared from the battle and I was ahead of Phil into the last banking. But Phil's Fezza was just too quick with the benefit of the tow and he swept past easily to take 3rd.
I then discovered that I had an extra 10 galls of fuel on board!! maybe that was why I was struggling for top speed??

LOL, thats what I call fake news!

Watching the replay everybody can see it was you overtaking me and squeezing and knocking me out in Ascari...
Incident reported!

This is exactly what the server did, (ok I startet it 20:40 for 50 min Qual) the race begun at ~ 21:30 UKtime

Problem is iGOR ATM that comes and goes every some minutes,
maybe the posting of the IP in the race thread has to become obligatory, but my IP changes everyday...

Hosting and importing the results and uploading the replay summs up to >1 hour after the race for me, esp if I have to divide light and heavy !!!

IMO using TS3 would help to avoid such situations ;)

Or we will decide to stop after 40 min and restart the server. On the server you do not see that igor is down!

Well done Fran, a good drive. You were very quick. I tried my best but I couldn't catch you.

I'll just leave this here (one frame before contact):

(https://i.imgur.com/4mkNMtF.jpg)

Yeah, I also dunno exactly what happend.  :-\ Also was my Plan to grab the two places from you.  ;) Maybe the next time.  :laugh:

Thank you Phil,but my speed was not enough to catch the 3 in front.My luck was that Arf-Arf and Axel have had incident.
Mystery the speed of Dean.Comparing the best laps with the replay analyser ,my car lose time after the second of Lesmo.
Could be a difference in traction exiting the corner?

Just a little proof who moves over and kicks me out...



(http://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/442ea8-1531947145.gif) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=442ea8-1531947145.gif)

here you get the bigger video: https://www.sendspace.com/file/hbjmim

OK Cookie, I understand now how it works.
Yes, this would be nice to post the IP address on the trace topic just after hosting.

 

Axel in which way you have realized this view?Self modification of the camera track or some program?

We use the moderators CAM views get it here (https://www.ukgpl.com/files/moderators_camera_views.zip)

Thank you Axel

Fran
The camera views are used by the moderators to examine incidents from angles that are not available by default.  Sometimes it is difficult to understand what has happened without these angles (particularly the overhead view).  The camera views are also available on the UKGPL web site in this page (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/moderating/moderatingarace).

Thank Phil,is very useful to understand what happen.

I've loaded the chassis the drivers used into the token calculator spreadsheet.  For the next race the available tokens will be as declared in the table below (the table will also appear in the next race announcement).  The calculated values are automated but selecting the cars is a manual process so please check your tokens to make sure I haven't made a silly error.  There was no token overspend for this round so no one is disqualified.

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver	Tokens	Status
AnGex	9	Pro
bagrupp	16	Pro
Billy Nobrakes	14	Am
Cookie	12	Pro
DLogan	30	Pro
Doni Yourth	30	Pro
EvilClive	24	Pro
Arf Arf Arf	8	Pro
francesco	18	Am
Phil Thornton	21	Am
Rainier	30	Am
Gareth	10	Am
Tristan Bot	12	Pro
Jack O'Ferrall	23	Am
Ziu Bacubacu	14	Pro

Moderation posted.