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Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=656)

Car pack required:-

TCR Mod (Equalised)
https://mega.nz/#!HzRWwaAA!nVPErhfkbjC_jzjzzURncwToxYi7UAbWqI5xvaTdJOM (https://mega.nz/#!HzRWwaAA!nVPErhfkbjC_jzjzzURncwToxYi7UAbWqI5xvaTdJOM)

Track List:-

Oulton Park Fosters -  Rounds 1&2 26/09
Vallelunga Classic  - Rounds 3&4  03/10
Silverstone International - Rounds 5&6  10/10
Brands Hatch GP - Rounds 7&8 17/10
Nurburgring Sprint GT - Rounds 9&10
Zandvoort - Rounds 11&12
Magione - Rounds 13&14
Hockenheim National Rounds 15&16

Format

45mins practise
15 mins qualifying
2x20 Minute races, 2nd race reverse grid top 10.

Drivers Signed up:-

MJ - Alfa #36
Postal - Alfa #38
Baikal - Subaru #111
nfsw - Alfa #4
Jeff - #77 Honda Type R
Picnic - Subaru #32
SRW - Ford Focus #17
Fabri - Golf (leopard)
Spanner - Golf (yellow) - plain yellow?!
Shark - Adam Morgan Mercedes 33
FMG - SEAT Leon #7 James_west
Matteo - Honda Type R #32
Frex - Opel #44
Bob - Honda Civic #26 mugen
Phspok - Moffat Mercedes #16
Sutol - Honda Civic 07_castrol
J. Lakkonnen - Opel Astra #22
Kimi Dieseli - Alfa #61
Kai Syvertsen - Golf LeForce

Okay cool, everyone wants the 2x20 format so will stick with that. Just need to fathom how to implement that behind the scenes.  :P

We did do a two race - reverse grid 2nd race,  in the Seat TCR race we did so someone knows how to set it up!

I can do the AC server stuff, that bit we got right before, but something eluded us configuring LM2 to have both races as the same event. That's the bit we need to clear up and verify is right.

Ahh you are right!  I've forgot that it was reverse grid 2nd race, sorry. I was not part of it.. :)
I've deleted my unneded post.

Don't we need to know what we can drive before next Wednesday?  :P
I'm in, Although will be easy pickings for this round as I'm at the Ring Friday thru Monday so won't have time to do any sort of practice work - or even car picking.....

I don't think that is possible, I created 2 events in LM2 and linked them. That's how I was told it is done in the other series.


It's the Seat physics put in different bodies, so it should still feel the same as the race at Atlanta.

Yes, but we'll use manual clutch ( Seq (TCR homologated too) gear box) and fixed car collider . It helps in car contacts.  :)   

I still want to pick what I'm driving and see the interiors  :P
Having a useful dash is very important with a rift, I'll struggle a bit if I pick something and then discover the mirrors are behind something say - no virtual mirror in VR

hmm, yes that will affect me too. I'll post the link to the mod series so we can all try them once I get the championship sorted and can create the first race thread, but so far Dave hasn't responded. :-\

Gents,

provisional track list for the TCR series:-

Track list:-
Oulton Park Fosters
Vallalunga Club
Silverstone International
Brands Hatch GP
Nurburgring Sprint GT
Zandvoort
Magione
so, for 1 minute tracks it will be approx 20 laps
for1.5 minutetracks - approx 14 ( better than 13)

I have no experience with the TCR cars other than a quick couple of laps of Brands to try it out.  The track list is provisional and international so if anyone has far better track suggestions, shout up. This is Baikals baby and his preference is to only use Kunos laser-scanned or best mod tracks for track surface modelling etc.
Donington National would be a good fit off top of my head, so we could always add that as a round 8.

International TCR points system:-

Position    1st     2nd     3rd     4th     5th     6th     7th     8th     9th     10th
Points       25       18      15     12       10       8        6        4        2        1

Link to the TCR series modpack:-

https://mega.nz/#!HzRWwaAA!nVPErhfkbjC_jzjzzURncwToxYi7UAbWqI5xvaTdJOM (https://mega.nz/#!HzRWwaAA!nVPErhfkbjC_jzjzzURncwToxYi7UAbWqI5xvaTdJOM)

All cars share the same physics as the SEAT TCR so no-one gets an advantage by choosing different cars.

I havent installed it myself yet but Alexey has tested it and tweaked it where needed (hopefully!) If anyone finds any errors (that can be fixed), announce on here and maybe Alex can patch it before the first race.

edit - link modified

BTW I am not staying in Zandvoort ( due may be slightly big lap time ( approx 1 min 46 seconds ) and may be Magione and Val Club due tracks config ish   ;)

that might be lost in translation  :P do you mean you dont particularly like them?  most of the shorter versions of good tracks are usually a bit rubbish i find, with the exception of Brands, Donington and silverstone.

Hockenheim would be a good fit for these.

Real tracks used in 2017:-

Rustavi International Motorpark, Tbilisi  1 April  stand-alone event 
 
Bahrain Bahrain International Circuit, Sakhir  15 April  Bahrain Grand Prix 

Belgium Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps, Stavelot  6 May  6 Hours of Spa-Francorchamps 

Italy Autodromo Nazionale Monza, Monza  13 May  European Le Mans Series 

Austria Salzburgring, Salzburg  10 June  stand-alone event 

Hungary Hungaroring, Budapest  17 June  Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters 

Germany Motorsport Arena Oschersleben, Oschersleben  8 July  ADAC TCR Germany Touring Car Championship   

Thailand Chang International Circuit, Buriram  2 September  TCR Thailand Series 

China Zhejiang International Circuit, Zhejiang  7 October  TCR China Series
TCR Asia Series 

United Arab Emirates Dubai Autodrome, Dubai 

2016:-

Bahrain Bahrain International Circuit, Sakhir  2 April  Bahrain Grand Prix 

Portugal Autódromo do Estoril, Estoril  24 April  International GT Open
Euroformula Open Championship
SEAT León Eurocup 

Belgium Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps, Francorchamps  6 May  6 Hours of Spa-Francorchamps 

Italy Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari, Imola  22 May  Stand-alone event 

Austria Salzburgring, Salzburg  5 June  Stand-alone event 

Germany Motorsport Arena Oschersleben, Oschersleben  19 June  ADAC TCR Germany Championship 

Russia Sochi Autodrom, Sochi  3 July  Russian Circuit Racing Series   

Thailand Chang International Circuit, Buriram  28 August  Stand-alone event 

Singapore Marina Bay Street Circuit, Singapore  17 September  Singapore Grand Prix 

Malaysia Sepang International Circuit, Kuala Lumpur  1 October  Malaysian Grand Prix
TCR Asia Series 

Macau Guia Circuit, Macau 

WoW WoW Mark!  ;D  Take in easy with such track list))  IMHO, all we needs here- is a hi quality mid-short tracks. For most fun. And may be easy to learn.  :) I mean AC stock laserscans and other well known and loved tracks  :)  This car is easy to drive but not so easy in close battles and overtakes.
All we need here - is Jeff's or FMG's  Pro view and advice  ;)
I wish to not include too narrow tracks. It is impossible to overtake here and all we'll have - it a cars train  ;D    

Good system, imho .
In addition to score system- for better fairness and interest you can add some points to first 3 pilots in Qualy results too. For example- Pole: +3 , 2nd:+ 2, 3rd place: +1.

This series has been set up using the DTM scoring (as above) so not sure how/if points can be implemented for qually positions  :-\  (Dave/Tony/Pete?)

Those races are what i found listed for the TCR series in real life, doesnt mean we need to use them. But most people dislike the mickey mouse smaller versions of tracks (including me!) so thought i would throw it out there for other good suggestions.

New series banner  :)

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regarding tracks, shouldnt we have at least one street circuit in TCR? Seems odd not to  :-\

Agree , but in this car ( not too fast, easy to drive, good grip), the long full sized tracks may bring a vapidity in low amount of  laps for 20 minutes race . But  it is not distrib to Brands Hatch GP, for example  :) ;) About Micki Mouse- i think is only Valle Club can take this name in TCR , IMHO.
BTW good banner, Mark!  

Cool banner MJ.

I see the 2018 TCR schedule includes Barcelona & Zandvoort, which are default Kunos tracks. Also Portimao (Algarve Int), Hungaroring, Oschersleben and Knutsdorp are on the schedule. I believe there are decent mod tracks of them out there? The last two tracks should fit these cars imo, maybe Baikal has already an opinion on these tracks if these would be of high enough standards to be usable?

All i personaly prefer here is not to make a hard work to admins for seaching and checks track mods. Also, i am is not real chedule lover and fanat, futher more, i am not full fanat of FWD, but was enjoyed the main idea of this - i just love a good online battles in quality tracks in AC.  :) FWD cars is so fun in battles, i want just bring a taste of this in UKAC  :)
So i've explain my position  here, going calm and,being in trust, hope that all will be ok here  :)

Yes, I agree with you that we should aim for quality tracks with suitable layout's for good tin top racing! Just seems that we have used, or have experience with, a lot of mod tracks already, so maybe some members already know the quality of these mod tracks. If not, no problem to disregard them for this series as MJ already has a good track list up.



I notice you guys have been to Portimao already with the MC12. Was of a mediocre quality, so can be disregarded.

Thanks for the link. Some cars are looking a bit shady and some aren't TCR cars in rl, but if all share the physics from the Seat Leon which we drove here a few weeks ago it should be good fun.

You are right, nfsw55 ) There is still no top quality TCR cars in AC.. ( excluding Seat). So, Each pilot can choice the car he prefer ( by manufacturer love or any other things preffering)  Main thing is they are equal byte to byte in phisics (! slightly excluding TT, which was irl TCR'15 ( see UI car info in game) . We can turn off TT from list if any will have nagative to it . Main thing in this pack is that errors free and maximum optimized, tuned in dash's boards and graphics fixed ( where is possible). Good: all have Seq gearbox and optimized colliders. They collected to  a pack in a good view and overall system.  That's all .  :)

with my Italian connections i will probably take the Alfa  :) as long as i can use it with the rift

Let Baikal know of any graphics anomalies and maybe he can tweak them.

We can either use Vallelunga full track then or swap it for Hungaoring ?  I seem to remember not liking Magione but been an age since i used it. What about Monaco or Adelaide as a street track?

Macau ;D ;D

 :o ;D

Oschersleben was always a great track for racing and its used in the real TCR series, is there a good mod version of it for AC?

I need help from you guys for testing tracks etc as I simply don't get enough spare time sadly  :(  so let me know whats good and whats carp! including those tracks on my provisional list.

Your provisional track list looks good to me. It seems that the only mod track is Oulton? This track was quite good with no problems when we ran it during the British GT not so long ago.
Magione is a very tiny track, but should suit this cars. Otherwise Donington is always a good option too.
Don't know about any (good) Oschersleben mod for AC.

Morning guys! Woken up to Imole prac and race )))
Oschersleben is one of the best for me from GTR2 times.
In AC we have an old convert by Mitia Bonca and i've raced it with BMW 235I cup long ago. Was good.
Tomorrow i'll check it in RD and will test i will can to surface and online functionality ) If nobody have the other info )

Why rush it, if you need time, take the time or just pick tracks that were already used in the past.

Mark, just checked Oschersleben 2017. This convert  is not updated more than 1 year, containing flat surface  without phisics mesh.
And ... very not optimized at all . With small amount of details it have up to 3-9 times more  triangles and 3D objects than very massive but optimized Kunos Silverstone GP track.... It will be lags, freezes  online. Cars in pack are not ideally here too ( its not correctable thing in practice) So we need good tracks for it.

oke. thanks for testing it out Baikal. Have you tried the Knutsdorp track from AC Reboot perhaps?

Well done for testing Baikal. But I don’t think we have any problem with the provisional track list after trying a few out tonight. Those that I thought I wouldn’t like are pretty good with these cars  :)
I tried Oulton fosters, vallelunga classic and magione with a 15 car grid and all good.
Alfa internals were fine with my Rift.

This is a great little mod, the cars look good and sound good and move about quite realistically  :) I think we are all going to really enjoy racing these feisty critters  8) should be great fun, well done Alexey  :thumbup1:

Driver list:-

MJ - Alfa

I'll try and take a look tomorrow in between packing and checking the car for leaks...

Indeed. I had a quick go too and these cars handle like you would expect them too. Nice ffb also. Should give some close racing.
I will follow my team leader and hop into an Alfa Romeo. Probably a red one, as those are faster.. ::)

I'll test this track this evening, Stefan  :)

Mark, i completely forgot about Vallelunga Classic config!   ;D IMHO- it should be a one of best choices here, will check too ( some later today)

Glad to hear you guys . Credits to all 3d modellers of cars used in this pack and Shaun for phisics, Thanks to Kunos for modding support! And for TT  ;)
It was not so hard , for me and my mate, but in result it's all taken 1+ month ) Thanks to Ilya Yousupov for his Content Manager  :)
It was not first project in AC. But still very interesting  :)
It is a pity that not all the cracks in the panels of cars and windshields could be closed  :)

I'll have whatever isn't taken yet, but only if I have a ini and lut file for the protyres app. Does anybody know how to convert the SEAT files to any of the modded cars?

Jeff, i am not using this app, but all you have there- is the same cars like other AC cars. So you can just use app as its directed by app author. Why not?

@ Baikal, i tested Vallelunga Classic last night, works well with these cars so thats in  :)

@ Jeff, so far only Stefan and i have chosen a car! (Team Alfas  8) ) so take your pick  :)

ps first rounds 1&2 at Oulton is posted under race threads  :)  i'e been a busy boy!  Just need some entrants now  ;)...let me know below please.

Driver list:-

MJ - Alfa
Postal - Alfa
Baikal - Subaru #111
nfsw - Alfa #4?
Jeff - #7 Honda Civic Castrol
Picnic - Subaru

Vallelunga is a great track.  :thumbup1:

Guys, what are your thoughts on using slightly different track grip levels and grip lap gain for this series? Heat two should provide a little more grip no?

The folders have changed and I don't think the mod finds it by itself, I also tried some modded cars and it also doesn't find the tyre info, so I need to change some files or folders, I don't know how tho. Is it as simple as changing the folder name?


I want as much variety as possible, so I'm just gonna pick something that hasn't been picked yet  :P

IMO no needs grip evolution here. This tyres i SO gripy and planted , heating up to working T in 1 short lap. In usual 26\33 celsius will be fine. Keep in mind that these tyres is slightly uniqe in AC- have near zero tyre wear ))) But these things in complex giving a good car sence in whole race. imo. Drive and fight all we can manage here. It's good for me. No soap in tires here.

It should be Yes. Easy. You can ask it in app theme in forums. This cars is not have any differencies to other mods or stock cars. All of there has a standart data.asd file  :) If you still in trobles here- try to use orig seat files for your app . The tyres are the same with cars in pack.

Alfa for me as well, skin #4 if possible

Subaru, please. #111.  :P

Just tested offline. Very good track convert made with love and by PROs. :) Absolutely optimized. Good ( but not true phisics) surface mesh.
Love it as convert .
But i am not sure i loving a track config :) It's so dangerous, very high elevation changes, it feels like rally track. Not sure, not sure... May be i am too old man to race it with peloton  ;D   

once i get a few more driver names & cars i will tidy up this thread or start a new series thread, as this one has got a little meandering  :P

If there's Subarus in there I'll have one of those although a Front Wheel Drive Subaru is just wrong  :o

Sorry, Pete, but you are is not correct now   ;) Subaru (as and Audi's TCR too)  is Front-wheel-drive  :)
http://www.tcr-series.com/inside-tcr/homologated-cars/item/subaru-sti-tcr
So, pickup it easyly and fun with me!  ;D

I'll have the #7 Honda Civic Castrol.

Driver list:-

MJ - Alfa
Postal - Alfa
Baikal - Subaru #111
nfsw - Alfa #4?
Jeff - #7 Honda Civic Castrol
Picnic - Subaru

 :-\

Posting of this series on the AC forum?

yeah intending to do a link on kunos, though had expected a bit more interest here as you were all raving about it!  :P

I would like to join in the series, although I cant make the first race.

Not had a chance to download the car pack yet, is there a Ford in it?

Yes, Ford Focus

Thanks, put me down for the blue oval

You are just impatient, not everybody checks the forum every day and there are always people joining who can't be bothered to sign up :P.

Grid size might be taken into consideration when picking the size of the reversed grid.

heh maybe  ;D  i just always think if people post up it encourages others to race. Its always deflating when you put the practise in and turn up on race night and only 4 or 5 others show up.  I think thats why Matteo and some of the Italians have now given up and stayed away. At least if you know say 10 others are intending to race you can commit a bit more and look forward to it.  :)

This is all because they did not try any of Seat Leons on Oulton Park Fosters or Vallelunga Classic  ;) Hope that they will try it!
BTW, happy to see that pilots takes the different cars ( manufacturers) for choice. They are all not ( in most) a Top quality models but yes- they are all looks cool in starting grid and in battles!  :)

Matteo, jump in and take your friends together!   :punk:

There are already some Alfa/Fiats. I will take a Golf so, Leopard skin. Thank you.

PS: is not possible use the "normal" time for race (20.15)?

Normal race time is 20.30, qually is at 20.15  For some reason the race thread hadn't saved my changes to times the other night, as had already corrected it once.

Driver list:-

MJ - Alfa
Postal - Alfa
Baikal - Subaru #111
nfsw - Alfa #4?
Jeff - #7 Honda Civic Castrol
Picnic - Subaru #32
SRW - Ford Focus
Fabri - Golf (leopard)
Spanner - Golf (yellow/green)
Shark - TBC

Just a little heads up about car choice. AC requires the server to know all the cars used in an event before it starts (unless we return to booking mode which the game says "do not use it"). There are 11 different car choices here before you look at liveries so if you want to have a particular make/model you really need to state your preference before race night so MJ can craft a suitable entry list file. Assuming 11 people pre-register that means there will only be one of each type for others to hope to get. At least the cars are all equal performance wise.

I’d like to sign up please. Haven’t done any racing in months but I like the sound of this series. What are the car choices? Is there a list somewhere?

Hi Simon! Better way for you is download a mod and choice, bacause all cars have a different in picture quality  :)

Decided on the #32 Scooby Mark, I updated your last list above to include it ;)

Ok you'll force me to post in this thread as well. Golf for me. As i see somone has taken the Lepard skin, i will go with the yellow/green skin!

Offline, the Audi TT won't load for me (other cars are fine). Online, choosing any car dumps me back to the lobby, I guess when it gets to loading the TT.

Tried re-installing but same result. Problem at my end, or something else?

HMm... Are you sure that you trying a proper TT car from carpack?  They all must to be under white badge TCR Equal 1.4 mod. Including equal Seat too  :)
Look- just joined to server and 1 lap established. Using both launchers ( standart Kunos and CM).
http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat
Anyone have same problems? Please report!

BTW guys. Mark, Pete.. Too dark in track.. Too dark around.. Isn't it? May be change to mid clear?  ::) If you love it- i will agree and race with it ( may be my monitior-tv too obsolete for such picture?  ::) I am using stock Natural PP filter . We need headlights working here , but it's not implemented to AC...

PS. Pete, server's welcome page said to me about ferrari 250  :laugh:

Doh, I edited the master files but didn't make the practice one active. I'll fix that now - thanks for the report :)

Pop me into the #33 Adam Morgan Mercedes, the black and red one. Thanks.

No idea if any of the cars are any better than any others so I've probably chosen the slowest.

They all have the same physics, so in your case, I'm sure you picked the slowest  ;D

:wetfish:

Please guys . Check the car, report , and leave me calm here. I can't sleep at night after this kind of info  ::)

Alexey don't worry, MJ could get onto the server which I could not, so I'm sure a problem at my end. Currently at work, so can't do much right now, but I'll have another look into it tonight.

make sure you have the correct version of Oulton installed. (as per link)

Driver list:-

MJ - Alfa #36
Postal - Alfa #38
Baikal - Subaru #111
nfsw - Alfa #4
Jeff - #7 Honda Civic Castrol
Picnic - Subaru #32
SRW - Ford Focus
Fabri - Golf (leopard)
Spanner - Golf (yellow) - plain yellow?!
Shark - Adam Morgan Mercedes 33
FMG - TBC
Matteo - TBC
Frex - Opel #44

just realised I will have to do a driver entry file if we want particular car numbers...d'oh.  Will this mean we cant have pick up drivers on the night though? Been a while since I did this :-[

Where's Maikel these days? thought he might enjoy these cars  :-\

Put everybody on the list, check how many slots are for that track and fill the list up with 1 car of each brand until it's full. That way late joiners will get one of those empty slots, but because the cars are all equal, that doesn't matter and you get some variety. You can even leave out the brands that are already picked.

I can't promise nothing about a commitment in this series, 'cause the 25th of September I'll start an Italian Blancpain champ. Races will be every two weeks, so I will try to join the TCR races in my free weeks (Vallelunga, Brands and Zandvoort). I will give a shout to the other VDA guys, but I'm doubtful they will join this champ. Hope you will enjoy the first race.

See you at Vallelunga :)

I'm still in for this, but will need to let you know on Tuesday afternoon what I'm driving.
I won't be back from the ring until about 2am tues...

have fun at the Ring, love that place  8)

so 12 drivers signed up so far (two still to choose cars). Steadily building up. Not heard from some regulars yet like Felix, Matt, Bob, Frex, Sutol, Eck who I thought might be interested in this series.

I have added all known drivers & their cars to a drivers list provisionally. Can someone remind me, if I only list say 12 drivers on it does that leave say 8 spare places for 'turn up on the night' drivers to be able to join if say its a 20 car garage track?

You could ping them a pm just in case they are not aware of this series/thread?

Mark, I've already posted in this thread and would like to join in, but currently cannot. I've been discussing it with Alexey and see his post in the Oulton Park race thread, but can't commit to the series until you decide what to do with the Audi TT. Currently anyone (like me and Fabri) who doesn't have the kunos Ready to Race DLC pack can't use this car, and can't join the server with any car. For us to join in we would need to purchase the pack, or for the TT to be removed from the grid. Don't know about Fabri, but I probably won't be purchasing the DLC, but I also don't want the car removed if others want to use it. It would have been my car choice probably if I could have selected it!

I have answered that few posts above  ::).


IMO just remove the TT then, nobody picked it so far and there are plenty of others cars to chose anyway.

If it’s just the Audi causing problems then I’m fine with it being dropped as would rather have more racers than car options  :)
@pete, can you remove that car from the server list to allow Frex and Fabri to get on the server?

@Jeff, saw your post earlier but didn’t quite understand what you meant.  :P

Ok I've restarted the server without the TT, the RS3 is still in there. Does that need removing too?

You have to list the spare cars without driver names and GUIDs. Put them in the file first then the named drivers. The entry list must have the same number of cars as specified to race on the server config file. Not having checked I don't know what the minimum grid boxes are available in the track list. Easiest just to have a file with that number of drivers in it.

I mentioned the problem here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=15105.msg275607#msg275607)

Thanks Pete, I confirm I can get onto the server ok now, hopefully Fabri too. The RS3 is fine, that can stay.

Excellent news :)

Cheers Pete, good work  :)

It works now, thank you all!

Good to hear it, Fabri and frex  :)
Mark, may be it's time to clean up 1st round topic?
  

Ha, as a multiple STi owner I agree!

Put me down for Opel #44 please, as no one has picked one of those yet.

round 1 thread tidied up  :angel:

How do I find out how many garages each track supports? Looked in the content/tracks folders but couldn't see any info  ???  If we leave one blank version of each car plus the named driver cars I'm up to 21/22 drivers so far :-\

Use acservermanager, Oulton has 34 slots.

Thanks Jeff  :)

Do these cars have flappy padal gear boxes? Or sequential stick shifter?

Check the official cars: http://www.tcr-series.com/inside-tcr/homologated-cars

They have both, so it depends on the car, the Alfa has a Sadev 6-speed sequential with paddle shift.

 :( been away on hols for 8 weeks came back, fell ill and spent last week in hospital.  Hope to get back racing in the next couple of weeks :thumbup2:

Yeah, hope you feel good enough to get back into racing with us Bob!

yay Bobs back  :) get well soon Bob and see you trackside  8)

Eek, sorry to hear that Bob. GWS :)

I'll switch to the RS3 for more variety :). (I don't think it's picked yet).

 :o All  of cars manufacturers  taken! I am shoking and amazed  ::)  Tomorrow's starting grid will looking like i'm dreamed. Thanks guys, hope you'll enjoy this TCR series!  :D Thanks Mark, Jeff, Pete and all guys for such kind of support!  :)

#7 James West Seat Leon please.
A. It's sponsored by tea,  much like myself.
B. No one's picked a Seat yet

 :)

You are lucky! Best choice car for VR (in overall picture quality) was waiting for you! And she's done  ;D

done  :)

to jeff, you will have to remind me of car change before next round as you are not in this weeks driver file.

No problem.

May I suggest updating the first post with the series details, like tracks and formats, might attract more people that way.

_{how about adding Zolder (B) to the track list?...} ::)

Eehhm. I liked the 2 heat races with these cars. But can we have a little more time in between the heats perhaps? Wanted to make some set up adjustments and a much needed breath after such an intense race 1.  8)

yeah i think the same. I was baking in my rift, so took it off at end of race 1 for a breather and let my eyes (on stalks!) relax. But i slipped it back on to find the timer counting down a few secs to the start lights  :o
Just a minute or two should suffice.

Just one more question :P I noticed Zandvoort is gonna be on the club lay-out. This excludes the nicest part of this track sadly. As we are having a decent grid size, maybe to consider the full lay-out?

Club was just put in as a placeholder. I still need to review a few of the layouts for some tracks to see if they are any good, like i did with Magione and Vallelunga  :)

okidoki then  ;D

We now have 19 drivers signed up  :o  popular series and nicely international :)

MJ - Alfa #36
Postal - Alfa #38
Baikal - Subaru #111
nfsw - Alfa #4
Jeff - #7 Honda Civic Castrol
Picnic - Subaru #32
SRW - Ford Focus
Fabri - Golf (leopard)
Spanner - Golf (yellow) - plain yellow?!
Shark - Adam Morgan Mercedes 33
FMG - SEAT Leon #7 James_west
Matteo - TBC
Frex - Opel #44
Bob - Honda Civic #26 mugen
Phspok - Moffat Mercedes #16
Sutol - Honda Civic #TBC
J. Lakkonnen - Ford Focus #tbc
Kimi Dieseli - Alfa #61
Syd Drake - Audi RS3 - yellow(Tbc)

to Jeff, are you still changing to an Audi next round? Let me know what skin if so, ta   :)

I might switch to the other Honda version, Audi has been picked and I think that Honda hasn't been used yet.

You picked another car yet Jeff? Need to get the round 2 driver file sorted for the server.

@matteo - are you racing this week? Need your car & skin choice.

@ Jaari, need your ford skin choice

Will give a car when I get home, otherwise an Audi or Honda accord is fine.

I just did some laps on the server and all seems ok. I should be able to join this race. Put me on a Civic Type R. Every skin is fine :)

Cu chaps

#77 Honda Type R

Audi RS3 no. 49 (I think)

I'm coming !  Golf Leforce thanks ;)

Done, you are on the drivers list  :)

Jeff = car & skin done
Syd = " done
matteo = done

Hello  :)

Subaru wrx no. 29

thinking of adding an 8th round to this as 7 doesn't sound right  :P  Hockenheim National is probable.  :)

the only track not sitting right with me for these cars is zandvoort as its a 1:50 lap to use the full circuit, no shorter version available. Even Brands should really use the Indy layout but like Baikal, I much prefer the GP configuration. Also with the Indy circuit the front guys will soon have to lap backmarkers which could either enhance the racing or just cause more incidents  :-\

Just looked at first post to see what tracks you had planned for, might want to update it.

With running quite short tracks it helps mix it up with full length Zandvoort and Brands GP. Not really a fan of the short tracks tbh especially silverstone.

Adding another round sounds good, picking shorter tracks because people think it will be closer on those, is not  :P. A 5 second gap is just as far on a short track as on a long track, the only factor that determines how close the grid is, is people's pace. Even on Nords the whole grid can finish withing 10 seconds. You need a track with some straights unless you want to watch every replay  ;).

RB National?

eh?

I mean RedBull National track can be connected to our races  :)

ah okay, don't know the national version of that track but I had already tested Hockenheim earlier so will stick with that for the final round. (added to the track list)  :)

Surprised there is no Donington national, that seems like a real TC track.

I did think of using that, but we are already using 3 British tracks so thought at some time in the near future we can run these cars again in a British touring car series using all the great UK tracks.  :)

BTW guys, Shaun was released v1.6 TCR Seat Leon. Well corrected aero balance and other things. I love it. It's more adequate to real phisics values, esp in aero. The tyres parameters are most the same. What do you think , guys? In my test , the car behavieur was not changed very big , but have more underseer ( what is properly and more challenging) and compared to  other FWD cars behavieur looks more better, IMHO.  :) May be next cup?  ;)  ;D
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/seat-leon-tcr-2018.20109/update?update=35806
  
  

Nothing to see here people, move along  ;).

just throwing this out there... .Cant believe we only have two more rounds left already...anyone up for racing two more rounds? (making it a tidy 10) Quite happy too, though dont want to spoil anyones championship standings. Or we can just call it quits at 8 rounds.

Donington would be one of the extra rounds and one other tbc once i check a few other tracks with these cars.

Sounds good to me.

I miss classic cars. I hope to have some event, or maybe an entire season, with them.

If you want to extend the championship with the TCR, maybe you could take a week off before the last two additional rounds. There would then be time for do something with the classic cars.
In my opinion, 8 rounds are ok; considering the 2 races for each one, are 16 races.

i intend to run a classic series after this one Fabri as i miss them too! Just wish we got the same grid turn outs as the modern stuff. I may have to run alternate weeks classic/modern to keep numbers/interest up.

Can you run two races at the same track per evening? One race for Classic cars the other for modern stuff.

Depends on the next series whether I would like to see 2 more rounds.

It will always be difficult to have numbers for the championships with classic cars, unfortunately Mark.
Virtual pilots prefer close battles, and they are often a bit intimidated by classic cars. Close races are possible in these cars too (just check the event with Lotus 25 at old Silverstone), I did also mostly races with 962 fighting close with FMG.
So I suggest players to give for classic cars a chance and some time.

extra TCR rounds =  :)

Donington =  :) :) :)

extra TCR rounds =   :)
Redbull Ring ( short or full)  :) :) :)
May be fanats of TCR cars (  ;D ) will choice best final combo?
May be it will be full version of Hockenheim?
I don't know how to find better final combo than finished Brands Hatch   :P

Whispers, Nordsheife, and runs away

:o 2 races in TCR and two races in classic !   :D
It's not possible at all imo.  :)
But ... times are changing .. So may be, may be  ::)

 ;D Did I hear a little whisper or was it ringing in my ears.

:thumbup2:  ;D

Personally, on principal I don't like changing a championship once it's started, so I would say no, as you sign up based on the original info. You maybe in with a championship shout and you planned holiday when the final two rounds are or something like that and therefore you lose out cause you can't attend when you would have done based on the original info.

Personally, I'm happy for another two rounds as the cars have been better than expected, but really, do we care about round numbers? It's just a number. You are being 8ist by saying 10 is better than 8 just cause it's 10. I shall report you to the number police! ;) :angel: :P

not fussed at all about round numbers, more looking at just extending what has been a great (and popular!)  series.  We all crave healthy grids and close racing.  :)  Plus I haven't had a chance to think ahead to what classic series to run yet  ;)  I know some individual choices for classic events but a series takes more thought. It can go very successfully like the Lotus 25, 962's and 911 RSR's or horribly wrong like the 250GTO with low numbers (still don't know why that wasn't more popular?!)

Get what you say though Simon about championship standings, which was also my concern, hence asking general opinion.  :)

Re Hockenheim, yes could use the full track. In early days setting this one up I (wrongly) assumed these would be better on the smaller configs of tracks but Brands, Nürburgring and Zandvoort changed that opinion.
Donington and A1-Ring could be a nice pair of tracks if we do run two extra rounds.

Ginetta G55 Supercup and possibly the GT4 version is planning to release.  :)  From Seat Leon author. I am begin to monitor this thing  :)
https://www.racedepartment.com/threads/shaun-clarke-mods-updates.158781/page-6#post-2852735
IMHO, all tracks from TCR champ is ready for such cup - no need to find any more  ;D
 

additional IMPORTANT post!  ;D
Compared to TCR Equal cars best choice for next modern series might to be Lotus EvoraGX or GTC cars. Very similar drive sense due wider tyres, well planted, good slippery sense and VERY fun to drive like in TCR. Very good brutal engine sound.
BUT setup is full here and need to be PARTYALLY fixed ( too much parameters)
It's very easy organize by server. Needs only for Jeff, (for example)  will make this easy-sh setup.  :)
Mark, do not forget this my post!  8)

Right this is the top 10 as it stands. Only Simon has kind of said no to extending the series. I am a little torn as half of me feels like we've got enough racing out of this and that it should stay at 8 rounds, but also quite wanting to extend the great racing and healthy grid its created.  :-\  But overall inclined to call it a day with what we've got and start a new campaign.

1 Jeffrey   200.0     
2 FullMetalGasket   146.0   
3 nfsw55   130.0       
4 Fabri Fibra   128.0       
5 KDiesel   110.0     
6 kaifos   85.0         
7 Stefan aka Postal   70.0       
8 Simon Gymer   70.0           
9 Mark J   67.0         
10 Felix Simoes   56.0

ps...cleaned the thread up of our future series waffle  ;)
 

I would say if the people fighting for championship are happy to extend it and if the majority are in favour then extend it and gives you more time to work out the next series maybe with some test events on different days whilst the tcr series continues?

Extended series please for me ;D

In my opinion, we can extend the series or also do another new TCR series, or anything else you want.
Just have some historical things in parallel.  :D

If I understand well, they are only used on Wednesday and Sunday to race, right? Days that are already occupied by the TCR and the V8 (not every Sunday).
Is there a precise reason for this? In the other days the server is dedicated for other things? Sorry for the questions a bit trivial, but I'm not a great server expert.  :angel:
 

It's because we have multiple series on multiple games Fabri - quite a few guys race in more than one series so we don't like to overlap.

Currently we have a spare Sunday slot going, but based on the take up of sunday fun races I think it would be better for that to feature a know crown pleaser/puller than a one off race with only 4 or 5 drivers willing to try out something unknown..

My preference would be to keep it at 8 rounds and continue the format with classic cars. I think the Alfa GTA would be suitable for that and maybe we can find mod cars that can match it. Would be epic if there was a nippy car like the Mini and a yank-tank, like the good old GTL days.

We should test the Alfa GTA against the Fulvia, the Abarth TC1000 and the old Mustang then.

Yeah i think i'll keep it 8 rounds, its been a blast but we can always run another series later on as British track TCR series etc and maybe Baikal will have got the new improved TCR car sorted for it then.  :)

Trust me, a skin packed grid of Alfa GTA's looks great, is also real fun and good close racing. But other options are available ;)

No they are not, case closed ;D.

Try a grid of Alfa Tipo33's  :)

in my experience the gaps will be bigger cause you have to drive classic cars in a alien way to get them to go quickly.

not really with the simpler cars like the Alfas, but yes can be with the 'more grunt than grip' classic bruisers, especially when you dont practise with them beforehand  ;). The tipo33's are one step up from the GTA really in terms of performance/handling but nice and controllable. Maybe we should build back up in the classics world by starting with the GTA's  :)

Modern series i'm thinking Lotus Exige V6 Cup or Evora GTC, again both reasonably simple cars that should be able to race closely. Though the Evora might make the men from the boys stand out  :-\

For me Alfa GTA or Stradale choice means only one : Stradale33 due a millions reasons. Not keeping in mind her not so good gears and longest gears shift time when using my paddles.
I will not drive GTA in series due million reasons too  :)
Again offtop guys  ;D

PS
For me  Lotus Exige V6 Cup or Evora GTC (GX) choice means only one : Evora GTC (GX) due a millions reasons. Not keeping in mind her not so good gears and longest gears shift time when using my paddles.
But how a said earlier- this  GTC (or GX) cars needs setup partially fixed by Jeff , Fabri or Felix or by any experienced pilot and might not to be extremal. So much as possible including gears. It this case only it will be popular and have sustained interest in ppl mass  :)

PPS All of above is IMO, ofcource  :)

Again offtop guys  ;D

Haven't tried those yet, but they seem quite a lot faster than the GTA and I think the GTA is the perfect mix between speed and driveability to arrange close racing.


You've got my TCR setup, it doesn't get more extreme than that and so far everybody hated that setup, so a fixed setup is a bad idea IMO.

Your setups for TCR is very useful and driveable even its containing an extremal values.  :wetfish: Its depends of phisics of car. TCR v1.4 cars is not ideal for true phisics so your values is well suitable now.  :) Shaun was update it this times for better aero balance and other things.
In better car principle phisics fixed set will looks more better in values  and driveable for all.  ;)
A lot of leagues using fixed setup due wants to be champs less load of work in setup and making races more popular and fun :angel:

It's really hard to find cars which are equal for all, back in No-grip we did series with 70's cars and we had rule if that top 3 drivers need to change car for next race or rest of the season. It was bit complicated so I can remember accurate how was rules precisely, but it worked very well. In public servers old DTMs are quite equal, some cars are faster in particular track and so on, if you just look power/weigth ratio, they just numbers, not whole truth. I'm personally happy to drive anywhere with BMW against Alfa, what comes to Merc, that [vulgarity removed] needs slap in face to stop understeering imho.... :D

is it possible to move posts to another thread? (to moderators) - cant see an option for me to do it or i would. (would like these last 6 or so moved to 'Next series' thread).

Re the Alfas & exige, @ Baikal, i think you are trying to say you wont race either because you dont have a manual shifter? But that affects 99% of the available cars. Sadly i cannot accomodate (or Please!) everyone.

I get what you are saying about a fixed setup for the evoras, but everyone has their own driving style and therefore tweaks a setup to what feels right or good for them. What we ideally need is a good base setup for all to use (better than the usually crappy defaults)and then everyone can just make a few tweaks to personal taste, ie more/less understeer or oversteer.  Someone like FMG, nfsw or Felix would be ideal for that. Jeff is too alien  ;)

No no, Mark. My crying for gear shifts ( paddles i am using or manual)- it's only my own problem\decigion  :) It's not depends of car choice, do not keep in mind it :) 

okay bud no problem  :)

yeah it gets a bit complicated swapping cars and drivers. I wouldnt know how to do that for the behind the scenes admin side here. If i let the fast guys here take an Alfa they would destroy the rest of us in the other two cars. Have thought a few times of grading the regular drivers here like they do in the real world, ie gold, silver, bronze as that would help making certain cars available to drivers, so if your a bronze you get choice of all 3 DTM cars, silver could only take the Merc or BMW and gold just the BMW or a ballasted E90. But think it all gets a bit grey when you have to decide if someones a fast silver or a slow gold...for example.

In GTL land we would make the first race a free choice (nearly everyone takes the fastest car natch).

Remaining races we limit top 3 in champ table to slowest car, next 3 to slowest car + next slowest car, etc etc

Please keep the language civil...
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that could work  :) though that does restrict the fast 3 to only one car which might not be their preference (ie fave car brand/model). Would make for some closer racing though with lower grid guys able to attack in the fastest car.

Only if they remain the fast three  ;)

About paddles-shift
I never used the paddles for old cars, so I probably don't know much about the matter. But seeing the times of some hotlappers and having participated in some races where the first pilots were quick and used paddles, I think there is a chance to fix it. The nice thing is that these pilots have top level wheel-steering, so they prefer to use paddles to be faster. Realism is not important for them. 2 pedals and hands always on wheel-steering.
Alexey, if I remember well, you wrote about a program for reduce the shifting-time using paddles, maybe you can try use this.

About Alfa GTA and 33 stradale
The GTA is more funny, with a typical handling of a RWD car with engine in front. Take a GTA at Magione, than take a TCR and you'll see what I mean with the word "fun". Alfa 33 stradale has a good sound and a good design, nothing else, almost in AC.
Talking about real life, Alfa GTA was the most important car in national series and also raced in international things. Some F1 and prototypes pilots started with this car. Alfa 33 stradale was a supercar, 18 were were built. A nice car for movies and pics.
Said that I'm not a fan of both, but I prefer the GTA. Not sure if it is a good idea mix mod cars too, maybe not.

Fixed setup, no thanks. I did some races in the public server of AndyR and V8 (fast guys) and they have a fixed setup. For me the car was really bad, totally different setups way and driving style maybe. I like close differential.

Yeah, something like that it was, fast drivers are still fastest even with slower cars. We drove 90 mins races that time so it wasn't all about raw speed, fuel consumption, tyre wear and other things equalize pace nicely.

i like the sound of the paddle shift delayer. In real life i drive both a manual gearbox and pdk shift (with manual over-ride) porkers on trackdays and without doubt the pdk paddle shift is faster. Before i could be talked into one i asked numerous track drivers about it (including an ex F1-tester!) and they all said they'd choose paddle over stick for track shifting everytime. Just not having to take your hands off the wheel in corners and chicanes makes a huge difference, yet alone the gear change itself.

I love using manual shift in AC for the classics, just makes it so much more immersive to me.

I don't think there is a huge speed difference in paddles vs H-Pattern, I think paddles is just more consistent and easy and using 3rd party software to get rid of the paddles penalty is cheating IMO.

If you want to use the DTM cars, why not try that ballast that somebody posted here?