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Practise: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  2 x (20 minutes)

Cars allowed:
All TCR mod cars (Audi TT excluded)

You will require the following Mod's installed on your PC:

TCR Mod (Equalised)
https://mega.nz/#!HzRWwaAA!nVPErhfkbjC_jzjzzURncwToxYi7UAbWqI5xvaTdJOM (https://mega.nz/#!HzRWwaAA!nVPErhfkbjC_jzjzzURncwToxYi7UAbWqI5xvaTdJOM)

Track: Silverstone (International)

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Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Weather: mid clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: normal

Laptimes:-
stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 80%

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Notes:
(1)PLP App - Not used in this event. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.
(2)Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) Door rubbing is acceptable, blatant punting is not !  Expect to receive a penalty if caught or reported.
(4) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect this.
5) DO NOT leave the server at end of race 1, as the grid will hopefully re-organise into reverse grid for race 2.

Not sure I can make it >:(

Love this track, this car, and her sound.
If not 20 min format i'd prefer GP config and 35 minutes races  :)

I’m not such a fan of this layout, it’s silverstone without all the best corners!  :P
But nice and wide for close racing at least.

So any advice setup wise how I can dial out some of the understeer in the fast corners like abbeys and stowe? Compared to default setup, I've lowered the wing to 0, and set tire pressures to 19 on front and 20 on rears. Not really done much setup changes in any sim before, outside of gear ratios, which you can not change here.

Stiffening the rear is the right way forward for fwd race cars. So rear springs and rear anti roll bar. Several sources recommend more rear toe out too.  I softened the front a tad too but it does make the car a bit sloppier through fast direction changes.

I experimented with the setup. With default I did a low 1:07 and with my Vallelunga setup a 1:06.9 Then I tried the car on hardest and softest settings on everything and...I went faster. I did my fastest lap with a nonsense setup with everything set at the stiffest and max toe out front and back  ::). Everything on softest was pretty much just as fast.

Will need to see what softest front and stiffest rear does  ;D

But to be fair Jeff, you have your own unique alien way of driving. Not watched one of your laps for a while but in the past when i did, you had an alien way of cornering where the car almost flicks into a corner (maybe rear brake bias?) but been a while as i say, maybe you drive more like a human these days  ;D

Plus we cant deny, altering the setup of these does improve a lap time if you get it right.

What I meant was more towards, I went to both extremes and they were equally fast, so I have no idea what works not  :P.

Provisional driver list for tomorrows race:-

1) MJ - Alfa #36
2) Postal - Alfa #38
3) Baikal - Subaru #111
4) nfsw - Alfa #4
5) Jeff - #77 Honda Type R
6) Picnic - Subaru #32
7) SRW - Ford Focus #17
8_) Fabri - Golf (leopard)
9) Spanner - Golf (yellow) - plain yellow?!
10) Shark - Adam Morgan Mercedes 33
11) FMG - SEAT Leon #7 James_west
12) Matteo - Honda Type R #32
13) Frex - Opel #44
14) Bob - Honda Civic #26 mugen
15) Phspok - Moffat Mercedes #16
16) Sutol - Honda Civic 07_castrol
17) J. Lakkonnen - Opel Astra #22
18) Kimi Dieseli - Alfa #61
19) Kai Syvertsen - Golf LeForce
20) Syd Drake - Audi RS3 # 49
21( Itamar Yativ - Subaru wrx #29

Apart from trying what Jeffrey said, brake bias can help but be careful, it can also unbalance the car or too much rear bias can increase braking distance.

I found rear anti roll bar settings in suspension. But where are springs settings? Or did you mean wheel height from the same settings screen as anti rollbar?
As far as brake bias goes, I tried going down to 65 but the rear gets too unstable under braking, so I'm keeping it at 70 (75 until tires warm up).

Pretty sure springs are referred to as spring rate in AC for most cars - it's normally the screen before bump stops

I did send you my setup on the practise server and tell you it was there but you ignored both Syd  :P

Springs are on same page as anti roll bar ! Might be called ‘wheel rate’  :-\

Sorry, didn't see any messages on the server :) I think they might be turned off when I'm in the car. Yeah, there is wheel rate on that suspension screen.

figured that was the case. Do you use Stracker? (the app) if so, people can send you setups via that. You just double click the header of the driver table on screen and another screen pops up where it says 'save setup/send setup' and you get it from there.

ps if you are setting your brake bias to 75% you are just going to lock up your fronts and flat spot the tyres!...not to mention rear-end someone  :o  i only adjust between 68% to 71% (For these cars) depending on track. Aliens may be more extreme  :-\

Race day folks  :)  looking forward to it. I have a pitiful amount of points after being hit in every race so far  :'(

I will be most disapointed if there are many contacts on this wide track  :detective:  lets keep it clean and have fun  8)

I've had a cold like a few days and not had enough traning and cheating w setup, but i still will be in race  :)

Maybe I'm doing all wrong, but I used for all races a bias of 75 %.

Ha, considering your pace, maybe i am doing it all wrong ! 75% is quite forward biased is it not? though probably works better for trailbraking.. but can you even do that in a fwd car?  (i am a rwd man!).  ???

I prefer rwd cars too.
Yes, I move bias in front for trailbraking. I see too much smoke from rear tyres for nothing, better have all weight and brake power on nose and a rear light.
I had learn that in real life. When I was 17-18 years old I used a lot the handbrake, but then I have learn that you can entering in oversteering using only the brake pedal, just have a good sensibility. Of course on harpins needs the headbrake :-)
I repeat, maybe I'm wrong and it is better have a bias more on rear...

Note to self: Work out which car is MJ, and aim for it  :hang:

Ha, several other cars beat you to it in the first 4 races  :surrender: :gun_bandana: :nono:

Hmm, will give a forward bias a go then. I assumed the front wheels are already trying to do too much, ie steer and accelerate! without throwing hard braking into their dynamics. I was using a tad more rear bias to act like a handbrake!  ;D

BB 75 in Vallelunga was a bad idea for good lap time. ( see Fabri lap times  ;)) 
So, practically, BB depends of track profile  :) Silverstone needs more forward BB than Vallelunga

I will just use MJ as a brake.

Eheh if I’m in front of you then you did something wrong in qualifying  ;D

problems logging onto the server as usual. taken me 33 minutes to log on.

takes about 5 mins to log in, then I get random error messages of 'server not available' when I venture out on track or I get out on track and my Logitech G27 is restricted to 360 degrees rotation which I find almost undriveable. can take up to six or seven attempts some times. Does anyone else have this problem?

I am now logged on, but the race has started, if I wait till the first race has finished, will the game let me start the second race?

First race good, no problems racing with MJ, second race shunted off track race ruined, on reversed grids some sort of care should be exercised when one of the slowest drivers finds himself second on the grid. This sort of action tarnishes Wed night racing for me.

Race 2 was bit a bordel. The start was fun, with a good battle with Jef and FMG. Sorry for small contact at first lap, FMG. Then (maybe lap 12) my race went totaly to putains because Alexey pushed me out on braking before chicane. Man, if you are not able to brake side by side it is a problem. We can increase the damage as much as 500% but if you don't know the basics of being for stay on track, the contacts will always happen.

I always thought that I would not report any incidents but in this case I will do it. Embarrassing! >:(

Reversing 10 people is very risky IMO as the more you reverse, the bigger the chance of speed difference. Laptimes are very equal in these cars, so reversing 10 is possible, it just adds to the risk of reversed grids.


You have every right to. I think reports will do more than increasing the damage number. How many people took less risk now that the damage was increased by 10%?

My debrief will follow, it was too hectic in race 2  :P

Wow, sorry Spanner - I've just looked at the race 1 replay and see I knocked you off track during my spin near the end of lap 1. And to rub salt into the wound I then collected you again as I rejoined..! I'm so sorry, I thought I had spun all on my own, and was alone and dead last - didn't realise you were nearby. So sorry  :oops:

I'm for 100% damage. Even if it punishes the victim, it punishes the perpetrator too. I don't see a problem with retirements due to damage.
After surviving the melee at the start of the first race and getting to 9th, I got spun out by a much faster driver because he couldn't wait even one turn to pass me. Then a lap or two later, got spun again, I think by the same driver. I almost wish I was too damaged to continue, not much fun driving way behind everyone else from that point on.

MY REPLAY (https://www.dropbox.com/s/xjlvkx8xh6iq0ch/tcr_honda_type_r_equal%40ks_silverstone-international_20181010223213?dl=0)

Might have joined as I like this series, but the event was not showing up in the org.uk list
only the Aussie rules one.

Yeah I get that a lot, but it usually shows up for me if I refresh the server list.

Race 1 was pretty clean for me, I dropped a lot of spaces in the first lap or 2 avoiding other people - but as a result in gained several by avoiding other people  ;)
As a result I got 4th, not sure I was fast enough here to have earned it otherwise.

In race 2 I got bumped around a fair bit at the start, but from what I can see in the replay nothing unfair or questionable was behind it.
Apologies to Alexi for the spin, in the race I was convinced you had tried blocking me when entering the s/f straight because you suddenly moved across, so I didn't wait as it did not appear to be my fault.  I see from the replay that you had been on the slippy stuff on the outside and presumably didn't see me inside as you didn't really try to change your line, sorry but it happened so fast I couldn't do anything.

This contact allowed Jeffrey to catch me and a few laps later we ended up having some epic side by side fights for a lap or two. Sadly this ended when I caught a curb and we bumped.
It was great fun while it lasted, as were the battles with Fabri and the Alfa I finished behind.

Shame the great racing is being tarnished by the incidents again  :(  I am just downloading Jeffs replay and will watch tomorrow eve, but please report incidents via the incident report that comes up below the results. First lap contacts are getting penalties unless circumstances out of a drivers control or blame cant be apportioned, and I am going to keep that policy for future rounds. :devil:

Race 1 for me was ruined on the first lap yet again  ::) whoevers following should be looking beyond the back of my car. If two cars spin in front of me i'm going to ease off the throttle and don't expect to be punted off  :gun_bandana:  By the time I rejoined I was 10 seconds down on the two guys i'd expected to be fighting the whole race. Then saw several other cars have contact and regained a few places. Gradually closed on Bob but when I caught him my front tyres turned to mush and I just couldn't close any tighter with ever increasing understeer. Finished 10th.

Race 2, was on pole, managed to survive nearly the whole first lap unscathed, but then ridiculously got a bizarre cold braking reaction at the tight left that threw me stage right off the track  :clown: (I had switched brake bias further back from race 1 but forgot!) so still lost a load of places :wetfish: But then had a great race with many cars including Frex, Spanner and Alexey, whilst watching other cars duelling ahead, right to the flag. Was great fun and particularly enjoyed fighting Spanners Golf and getting past after many laps  :fencing:  finished 8th.

So sorry Bob for incedent. But before you post , please, see replay first  :) It is not my fault ... ;) So, don't give up and race!  :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQtb0PHhVFE&feature=youtu.be

Sorry guys - i was too slow in last turns esses , was very angry for contacts and track offs from my rear, but now a bit easy  :)
Thanks for the races and see you all in next round!  :devil:

Sorry for that Fabri, but to be honest , i was mistaken in weight transfer braking moment car behavier, trying to be so wide with you in track as possible for turn. But you have a same problem too, ( but less) You moved into me too , having big free space in right side. ;)
But my brake problem is bigger  :)
PS. In race time i was non sense about my moving fauls ( may be you too?)  and so, not so embarrassing for that here. Otherwise i always returns a position when my faults is in fact for me.   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD1WlaXYXyY&feature=youtu.be

Same for me, FMG.  Replays usually brings a things more clear  :) 

[So sorry Bob for incedent. But before you post , please, see replay first   It is not my fault ...  So, don't give up and race! ]           Just a little bit of patience needed on the first lap was really what I was trying to say, not trying to get in the way, could have been overtaken without problems further on the lap. Some calming down is needed at the race starts. Found myself in a position not used to and was trying to be careful on first few corners.

Alexey, the replay is so clear, you caused the accident.
About the Jeffrey argument, if is better have high damages % or punishments, I think is more about know how stay on track with others cars close. I don't like punishment way.
Most of contacts are did for stupid things, easy to avoid if players know how stay on a track.

Alexey is moving for another step: when people do stuff on track and want have reason. This step is the more dangerous because it is hard be clear if you never understand by your mistakes and want have reason.

The accident between me and Alexey is really stupid and if we are not able to battle in a easy braking side by side in straight, racing have no sense. Race 2 will be every time a Russian roulette.
Alexey, how many contacts did you cause in that race? I remember also a accident against PorcoRosso at Monza with the 962, in braking too. You are recidivest.

Fabri, i say again- my mistake is bigger than you in that case. And yes- it's a measurement mistake.  Remembering 962 races and may be earlies is bad idea. If i will remember all others pilots faults in peletone ( not  top as you) - i will kill myself better.  ;)

So for you, your mistake is bigger than mine. My mistake was stay on track when you are driving? Lol

keep the mud-slinging for the incident reports guys. We dont need public slanging matches, it just causes ill feeling, we are all here for the close racing fun, just some cant control their killer instinct on lap 1 it seems.

Maybe 100% damage is the way to go for these cars :-\ it might make some of the rear end contacts less frequent.  :-\  The problem is once you are spun out by someone you have hardly any chance of re-closing on the pack unless they have their own incidents. :(
I thought at this track at least you could all give each other more room!  Its meant for Lancaster Bombers!! :laugh:

shame you missed it Matt, sounds like you had filters on for your lobby search, a few people get caught out by that :-\

must be your internet connection as logging on is pretty instant other than loading the track and cars. Are you using wireless? Sounds like it might be dropping in and out or 'packeting' (i think its called?)   
Your steering wheel needs to be configured via the windows controllers menu, sounds like you havent set full rotation. Failing that, you need to calibrate it in AC Controllers, even if you have done it in the past. Some windows or AC updates knock it out of kilter.
And yes if you are in the race logged on, you can sit out race 1 and wait for race 2.

May I ask what the highlighted in green fields in the result table mean?  :D ???

@SRW I saw that you had a ping over 1440, maybe that caused your problems?

btw: The qualifying positions for Race 2 are wrong again

Fastest lap in class. For some reason the Leon's not been added to the TCR car class. Not sure if it's something I can do, I'll look.

Thanks :thumbup1:

Fastest lap in class. For some reason the Leon's not been added to the TCR car class. Not sure if it's something I can do, I'll look.

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thats weird because it was in there a couple of weeks ago when i checked them off.  ???

not sure I have done anything to AC. I search for org.uk and it usually shows any of our sessions.
last night it showed the Aussie series, but not this one, I restarted AC twice and still this event
didn't show up. If I need to change something please advise?

Im still un-decided on best brake bias for these. I think being able to adjust it in race is best but i find that impossible using a Rift as you cant see any controls or even your own wheel whilst using it.
Race 1 i set it at 74% and it was definitely better for putting weight transfer over the front wheels and braking deeper but i found once the front left tyre wore down, braking became awful with it set that far forwards. Ideally i would have moved the bias back as the front tyres wore out.
Race 2 i set it at 69% and i was able to maintain decent pace the whole race with more measured braking (apart from my lap1 cold brake throw off!)
@fmg or other VR users, are you adjusting brake bias using a rift?..if so, how?

not sure tbh, i always type in simracing.org in the lobby and never had a problem.

Check filter settings regarding password protected servers.

I'm using the sequential shifter I made for the V8's  ;)

I've got a rotary control on my Fanatec wheel.

What wheel do you use Mark?

Did my PB in qually, so was pleased with that. Had a decent start and first lap for the first race, which gave me a small gap to Fabri. He gained on me the following laps, but the second half I was able to increase the gap a bit.

Race 2 was a whole other level. Took it easy first few corners and gained some places due to incidents in front of me. Was following nfsw and Simon from then on and was waiting for my rears to heat up before applying pressure or nfsw attacking Simon. After a few laps, nfsw had a move on Simon at turn 3 and I decided to try and go around the outside, which I knew would be risky. I got a small nudge and ran wide. Chose to rejoin the track further down the road, to get a parallel reentry, but I didn't see the sausage curb and forgot about it, so when I hit it, it send my car flying like no tomorrow, right in front of Kimi (sorry, was a passenger as soon as I drove over it).
That put me back into grabs of Fabri. Luckily we didn't slow each other down with battling and we were able to gain on the group ahead.  FMG got slowed down by the car he was chasing which gave me an opportunity to attack down the back straight.  FMG and me drove a whole lap side by side, never touching once, which was really awesome driving. Lap later I was the one that got held up a bit and that was enough for FMG to attack me back. There was a small nudge which send my car 90 degrees the wrong way, but with these FWD cars you just hoof it and it straightens back up  ;D. Nfsw and Fabri got past tho, but they were squabbling and I got past thanks to that.
Pushed hard in the end to try and get back on the podium, but I ran out of laps and Simon didn't attack the leading pair, which I was hoping he'd do  :D.

Not me, I will always aim straight for MJ ;-) Such an easy target.  :whistling: :angel:

Clubsport V2.5 wheelbase and BMW GT2 race wheel. To be fair it has quite a few buttons and two widget wheels but I cant see any of them with the rift on  :P  I will try configuring the bottom two right buttons that I can feel out whilst racing.

well you missed me and hit Kai instead  :stupid: :laugh:

:o Can't win them all, I'll try harder next time.  :P

How are you guys saving the replay of race 1? My options are setup to record 2 races but I only ever get the second race.

Set replay quality to low and set 800 meg max of replay file size ( in game options) And you will have all sessions recorded ( include practice)  :) 

Pete, can you set server frequency to 25 hz? It can help in small contacts in these stools  ;D
Probably it will bring more slippery to me with high ping and kunos MP smoothing algorithm but i will agree with it in this case.

Looks like you had a great racing. Sadly I had a double 'mechanical' car failure. After about 2 laps in to the first race I lost internet connection for a moment and my race was ruined.
I must say that the first lap was a great demonstration of online racing. With cold tyres, a lot of respect and a lot of paint rubbing and touching me and I don't remember who had a great racing.

Before the 2nd race I don't know how but AC gave me 5th place on the grid but I didn't enjoyed that. 30 seconds to green light I lost completely internet connection for an hour or so.

Hope to solve this in the next week.
See you guys :)

what does this change actually doo Alexey?  Just for future interest. Is there an explaination/manual somewhere to read up on these server settings?

Sorry to hear of your ISP problems Itamar, hope you are good for Brands this week.

It's from global things theory, Mark. Also available in acServerManager manual menu. It is AC server legal tuning options. If we have more clients pool frequensy, we'll have more adequate cars movement in online, especially in car contacts and his processing. As i know, rackservice.org servers have enough power to support this upper frequencies.
Default is 18 hz.  :)
I just try to do things as better as possible here. Practicaly tested btw.

Where can I download the server replay from?

Not the server replay, but my replay:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xjlvkx8xh6iq0ch/tcr_honda_type_r_equal%40ks_silverstone-international_20181010223213?dl=0

Will only be there for another week.

AFAIK there is no such thing as a server replay.

Thanks.