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UKGTL Championship - Season 1-ish, Round 2 at Mondello National

Date: Thursday 11th May

Practice: 8:30pm (15 mins)
Qualifying: 8:45pm (20 mins)
Race: 9:05pm (36 laps)

Cars allowed: Alfa Romeo GTA or Lotus Cortina
Time Of Day: 12:00

Server: UKGTL Season 1-ish
Password: usual practice password (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2929)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) See  UKGTL Season 1-ish Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=24) for general UKGTL Season 1-ish info.
(3) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)

Woohoo!

:punk:

T

lol Tyf, you put woohoo everywhere?  ;D

Hope I can make this one. After struggling getting GTL to run properly I decided to order some new hardware. Hope I get it before thursday.

Especially the gfxboard was quite hard to get (dual X1900XTX boards). The cpu also wasn't easy, most shops only had up to AMD Athlon X2 4600+  ???

If this config doesn't run GTL I don't know what to do anymore  ;)

Lol m8,

Only the FX-57 and the X2 4800+ are more expensive than that 4600 and generally speaking u get more bang for ur buck with the non-top models.

AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 (S939, 2,8Ghz, 1Mb, Boxed) € 799,93
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ Toledo (S939, 2,4GHz, 2x1MB, Boxed) € 609,90
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Manchester (S939, 2,4GHz, 2x512KB, Boxed) € 529,90
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Toledo (S939, 2,2GHz, 2x1MB, Boxed) € 444,93

I'm still waiting for GTR2 release than will upgrade! :D GTL runs smooth-ish, hehe, just low settings mostly :D

T

 :offtopic: :ban:

 :oops: :beta1: :wacko: :whistling: :whistling: :whistling: :stupid:

 :angel:

 :fencing:

LOL  :D

I'm probably gonna miss this one. Hate this track anyway and it will be good for the championship. If it could only be held 1 hour later.... ;)

I'm quicker in the Alfa than in the Cortina ??? Any1 else have that problem 2 ? ;)

T

What a total waste of effort that was >:(

Set a 1:03.6 in quali and was in 22nd ??? timing board was totally screwed up and had to leave.  Re-connected a couple of times with same problem then GTL locked up, on PC reset and all profiles reset to start :( so had no cash and no cars.  Ran out of time trying to get it sorted to rejoin again, so there goes a possible top-5 finish.  Not sure what on earth the issue was though, I've never had GTL trouble before :-\

Huge fun again. Had a lengthy battle with Greg and Madd-Ripp during the middle section- great driving guys, not sure how we avoided each other so well for so long! Also had a comedy moment with Aagramn where we gently touched bonnets and sat looking at each other for a sec before both going for reverse. Aagramn got it and I stalled it  ::)

I thought I saw lots of people CTD'ing with frozen cars on the track. Occasionally the car waould free up though and leap forward a corner or two. The server was super solid from a ping point of view but was anyone else getting the freezes?

Ruskus, apologies.  The curse of the spinning backmarker has struck again, the first spin I had all race....I blame your formidable track presence.

And Ribeiro - apologies again, didn't see you at all.

Well guys if that was the new server we have problems, that was the laggiest piece of s**t  Iv'e seen in a long long time.  I lost count of the amount of static cars I saw.

As for the race well good fun at times but spolit by the server and people chatting !

Great racing that! 8)...and bloody tough going, wrestling that alfa around so many hairpin turns ::)

Qualied right behind Shark in top 10, only a few hundreths in it.

Race was great, had superb battles with Johhny Dee and Dan Minton for lap after lap, with some great (and fair) side by side racing. 8) :fencing: Really enjoyed that. :)
Finally got myself upto 6th place and in the bag until the very last lap when i ran just wide enough to spin the car, only time i made a mistake all race ::), and Paul968 took full advantage of it and stole my 6th spot !
Getting gazumped seems to be a common theme for me on here lately !! :P

Great fun all the same. I think these TC65 cars are much more fun on these tighter tracks. :angel:

Saw loads of lagging going on, cars were spawning in front and behind me constantly towards the end. :(

Yep, lots of freezes....

Other than that it was superb fun.  Qualified towards the back, but was putting in some solid laps.  Had a good bit of track to myself before we had a 4-car train for a while, and then after a mistake by me (and probably really peeing off the leaders) I had to catch up again.  Ended up having a cracking battle with Don, but I just could not get past him!  With the top 6-7 drivers coming round behind us and past us, it was a close run thing with Don running out the winner between the two of us.  We might have traded paint, but nothing serious.

Probably the most fun I've had with you guys so thanks again.

 :oops: basically to anyone who was near me! I think I had a magnet in my car which pulled me towards all and sundry! TBH I drove like a cock. sorry everyone, head's not with it today.
Well dodgy situation with Visteon UK at the mo. Driving me Effing nuts.

And yes saw a few warps, frozen cars stutters

DOH!!!!! Sorry about that chaps totally forgot tha rolling start.  Didnt even realise til the end of the race when Ruskus told me.  After i sped off i thought there had been a big accident on the start line.     Felt good though when i thought i had made the start of the century!! :D

Soz for the contact Don .

Just got back from work, turned the PC on and joined, with just 10 minutes to go and no practice. Got 2nd, was happy with that.

Race all went well, Peter was faster, so i settled with 2nd. Oh no, not second, because Minton had a super start :-\. I think he forgot about the rolling start, and had in-car chat off, because he didn't reply. I think he was gutted to see us overtake him eventually after having a huge lead :D.

Then the inevitable came....backmarkers. After a mistake from Peter, I was in 1st, trying to keep there. But then again, a backmarker spun infront of me. Don't care who, why or when, it just happened again. This time it cost me the lead, which was a pain (cost me the won-all-TC65-races straight ;)). Not gonna report, not gonna bother, just a shame really.
Finished 2nd which is good for the championship.
Lot's of freezes, huge pings (4000). Very weird.

Edit: Lol, just saw your post Adam. Do I look so scary in-car :D. Next time I see you, I'm gonna take a huge bow around you ;).

Haha, what went on in your head Minton...lol. Whoohoo, super start ;D

But what wis all the chatting. I think it were the new Ghostspeed guys mostly. But just to make it clear: no chatting during qually or race please.

Not really mate , i knew you coming , cant stop the inevatable.


God knows , feel like a right twat!

There were some freezes, pings were very good. Just shows up some problems with the online code and internet, not much you can do about it.

ALL SimRacing league championship events are rolling starts!  :hammer:

NO CHAT is allowed during the race! If you are having problems getting passed a back marker flash your lights, DO NOT send a CHAT out, it is VERY distracting to the other drivers.  :hammer:

Oh dear. That was going well for me, then all fell to pieces.

Firstly, let me apologise to Tyf for the start! I thought I was in 6th, so when I was behind you in 7th on the rolling start lap, I thought "Zat cheeky penguin's got in front of me!" And I tried to get past.. What I should have realised was that Dan Minton jumped the start and was counted as being in the lead, so 7th was correct at that point.. Sorry! : :D

After that I was in 5th,6th,7th places, and it was going well. Unfortunately I got distracted and went off at the high-speed right-hander, and dropped down a few, and then a few laps later, Jamera lagged in front of me, and his corpse left me nowhere to go but right into him. It shot me into an escape road, and rather than do the sensible thing and rejoin where I left, I carried on up the escape road - big mistake, as it got me a stop/go :( Dropped me back to 18th or so..

Oh, and also sorry to Locutos for the touch on the first corner - I was chasing penguins :)

I want to apologize for my 3 comments, shame on me :-\

But i want to thank all for the nice race again :)

Adam, your comment show fairplay, thank you ;)


It´s a pleasure race with you all :yes:


Congratulations to RS team : Pero and Ruskus, you two were uncatchebles :thumbup1:

CHEERS

BTW  Cheers to Locutos, you did a great and consistent race too ;)

LOL, must be - it happened in the NGT the other night ........ they say the third time is a charm. :-\  Maybe you could paint a bullseye on the front of you car?

Hopefully it won't happen again ... I hate causing other drivers problems through my screw ups.  How no-one else clipped me is beyond me.

Just looking at my replay, can't even see your can to see exactly what happened, I think there was contact?

Replay (http://ukgtl.simracing.org.uk/Mondello%20Park%20National%20-%20Season%201-ish%20060511.zip) and provisional results are up :)

Interesting errors in the race data, were Greg130 and Paul W the main culprits for lagginess? Greg beat my GTR record of 3 race slots in the export! I've been flying online tonight and it was all messed up, voice comms was breaking up, got disconnected on several occasions. I wonder if the internet was simply having a bad hair day ;)

NGT and last GTL race at nurb. So third time lucky indeed, this time it was a hit. :)
I know it wasn't intentional, so that's why I won't report. Itc an happen. Just a shame it's me every time  ;)
I saw you spin, so I had to brake hard to go passed, locking up. I think when I was aside you, your car, that was still going round, clipped me slightly, causing me to do a 180.

That was a great race, guys, thanks!  Mondello is SUCH a hard track, wow.  I was really impressed there were so few incidents (really none that I saw!).  As usual I got fatigued past halfway and started making errors, but nothing really major.  Spun off in front of someone passing me (Paul, was it??) when I got off line into the klag, but everwhere else it was really clean, fine racing.

No lag or frozen cars on my end, all worked very well.  Sorry for the chat msgs, but I doofed in front of someone who tapped me (just a transfer of momentum) and wanted him to know it was my fault.  PRibeiro just likes to be polite, hehe.

Grats to Pero, Ruskus, & PR -- what a nifty and well-deserving podium!

     -=> J <=-

Ah, so that WAS 3rd time lucky .... hopefully we (of course I mean I!!) can keep it sensible in future!

UNOFFICIAL LAPCHART (http://www.teamshark.org.uk/files/videos/nMondello Lapchart.htm)

Why on earth does the export have me qualifying in 3rd when I didn't ??? Does it just go by fastest times set in the session regardless of if they make the race or not?

Yes. I don't think the GTL exports have reliable grid slot information beyond what's in the qualifying data.

I saw just one disco'd car, I had no other problems at all which is very unusual given how ropey my bit of ADSL string is these days! I reckon you all need to turn down your levels of detail. :P

That was a much better race for me than round 1. Got off to a reasonable start and despite the tyres going a bit wobbly half way through Paul968 was the only car with enough speed to get past after pressuring me into running wide. Quite pleased to get 8th place, a solid improvement on my grid slot.

What is your in-chart name then? I don't see Zacari, or am I getting blind?

Special race tomorrow night for those interested at Brands Hatch Indy circuit. Should be good fun...
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1551.msg22666#msg22666

Your lapchart export is fine Ruskus :) it's the official one on the results page that has me down in 3rd for quali.

And from my point of view it correctly states that you set the third fastest time in qualifying, which you did.

It also correctly shows you as a Did Not Start.

Well driven Adam.
Sorry I was a driving a little defensive at not letting you pass, but full marks to you totally gentlemanly behaviour ;)
Got shunted and shafted a few too many times for my liking, but maybe thats the nature of TC65 and maybe I'm just going to have to live with it.
I was getting lots of said lag and high pings and frozen cars from the start which didn't help.
Np madd I've been there.

If you're going to point the finger- at least say why we might be responsible for the lagginess!  >:(  ::)  :P

I think it's something more than just detail levels or dodgy connections. A large number of people saw the warping cars last night and we were nowhere near server capacity- evidenced by the solid pings. Could all of Europes' internet network be having a bad day last night? Actually, perhaps that's entirely possible!

Decided to join at the last minute, and no practice and 3 qual laps meant I started 15th. Then had a real struggle looking for a way past FliBri. Got past after many laps when he went off, and then made 4 places in one corner when the group ahead all got tangled up. Spent a long time after that chasing down Dave G, only to mess up and throw away all the good work. Did it all again and just as the battle was about to start Dave obligingly ran wide - shame really. At the same time JonnyDee had dropped back to just in front, and we had 6 or 7 laps of intense racing, ending in a spin from Jonny when out of position. The last bit should have been a cruise to the finish, but Mark J lost it ahead and rejoined as I came past. He managed to keep the place but we were right together into the last corner on the last lap. He took it tighter than I expected, not using all the track, which meant I gave him a slight tap, and the split second it took for him to gather it up was all it took to give me the place. To be honest I don't think this was particularly fair on Mark, so I'm quite happy if Dave wants to juggle the results to put Mark in 6th. Thx to all for some great racing anyway.

Paul

Not sure we will ever know Paul. As with all internet games we just have to put up with these things, it's a fact of life that the internet can't sustain the same speed and packet success 100% of the time. Internet games do their best but they are at the mercy of the internet.

No fault or blame intended, I was curious as until last week's GTR race I don't recall having a problem importing results because one player had multiple slot entries in the export file. All the league events, fun or otherwise, have been run on the new server for the last 2 weeks or so. Last night was the first time several people have reported issues.

Multiple slots are nearly always down to people leaving and joining again.

In the practice/qualification sessions yes but not in the race data!

First thing I thought of when I read through all this... I was doing praccy on here and noticed a 24 FPS on T1 offline with my normal settings. When I joined the UKGTL server it was down to 15 FPS in T1. Quit, lowered all settings to almost absolute minimum, track detail especially for my system and went back online... Voila 71 FPS in the same corner! :)
I know that in FPS (1st person shooter) games high graphics settings can cause loads of lag. Top players therefore play 800*600 resolution in Q4/2k4 still with details on low (most). Problem being that when the CPU is calculating all this nice eye-candy-nonsense... It's forgetting about the rather more usefull packets to the server :), hence people warping all over the place when it finally does sent the right stuff to the main server! :)

On topic ;) :
Quali went pwetty good for me, 4th place till last lap of Loc, which was funny to see, only about 18/100 between us, n1 m8. Start was completely bonkers imo... Admins should prolly shout ROLLING START ROLLING START ROLLING START until timer reaches 3 secs or so...
And speaking of shouting... For a bunch of people it's good I never applied and (prolly therefore ;)) never got a job as moderator... I was quite certain I had closed IRC before starting up GTL, but some n00bs almost made me doubt that ??? Really friggin annoying tbh.
And speaking of annoying... Some1 thinks warming up brakes and tyres is best done on the warmup lap by accelerating 2 fast for his 60s! brakes to stop him and then drive into the back of the guy in front ??? Tx...

Don't believe in this penalty system as it is used at the moment, so cba to report any crap, I'll just try to drive like I've been doing, slow but gentlemanly :).

Positive note... Nice lapchart again Rusk.

T

My FPS was fine, around 70 for the lap no problems so I don't believe that was the issue for me at least :P ;)  Will just have to see if it happens again tonight.

Yes indeed -- I did not know we were actually doing a rolling start until well into the lap when someone finally typed so.  Getting passed doesn't really help the understanding, either, lol.

And on a rolling start, is it "qual order across the line" or "everyone goes when the leader goes'???  I never saw anything explaining this, but you guys have everything else spelled out so I must've missed something.

Sorry again for distracting chat -- I agree completely and have messed up dozens of laps (hundreds...) from chat interference.

     -=> J <=-

You should always check out the rules. Here is the section from the start procedure:
    *  Races will be started from a stationary grid.
    * The polesitting driver will be responsible for leading the field around for a formation lap.
      The polesitter shall wait until the starting lights turn green before moving off. They should not go immediately after 30 second the grid formation countdown finishes, or GTR will give them a stop and go penalty.
    * The other drivers will move off only when the driver who qualified ahead of them moves off.
    * Formation laps shall be driven in single file. The leader shall maintain a moderate pace which allows all cars, including those in slower classes, to warm their tyres and brakes without struggling to stay in touch with the car in front.
      The leader should aim for a target speed on the straights of around:
          o GTR: 75mph (120km/h)
          o GTL: 50mph (80km/h)
    * No driver shall accelerate or brake hard during the formation lap.
      Drivers are encouraged to weave left and right to warm their tyres, and to warm their brakes by dragging them whilst under power.
    * During the formation lap, each driver is responsible for keeping a safe distance from the driver in front.
      Drivers should endeavour to avoid getting too far behind or to close to the driver in front.
    * The leader shall not accelerate at the end of the formation lap until they cross the start line. Each following driver should only accelerate when the driver ahead does.
      The leader should maintain a steady pace out of the last corner until reaching the start line. Following drivers should attempt to form an orderly, single-file queue behind.
    * No driver shall pass another until the end of the formation lap (when the leader crosses the start line), unless a driver has a technical failure which causes them to stop, or they leave the track.
    * Any driver who because of a technical failure stops, or who leaves the track (either by mistake or because of a failure), is responsible for rejoining the formation lap safely.
      This may mean waiting until the entire field has passed and rejoining in last place.
      The driver shall not attempt to regain their original starting position.

Yeah, FWIW my FPS are back up in the 90's now so I doubt very much that was the issue. I'm sure it was a temporary blip and nothing to worry about long term.

Entirity of the rules are on the website...
https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7