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I’m planning to run one of the above alternate weeks with a new modern series. Got others in mind but don’t need too many options to muddy the waters.
So state your preference as I don’t mind either  :)

I wouldn't mind all 3 of them, but I prefer to start with the GTA and same format at TCR. I personally find the DTM cars to be modern.

I can forget it due ages, so, better to leave it here for next series  :D
Taken from 2018 BTCC.
Scoring system:
20-17-15-13-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 for the top 15 finishers.
It's more better than we have now.  8)
May be this system and 2 races format will allow me to run in this old hods series  ;D

yep like that scoring system, thanks Baikal. :)

Good to see the GTA series leading so far as thats my preference to build us back to some historics racing. Would we all prefer to keep the 2x20 minute format that worked well in TCR? or a single 40 minute race?

2 races format is good for have fun with slow cars.

I sincerely prefer the scoring system used for TCR series, it rewards more important positions. I also think that there will probably be fewer pilots than in the TCR, 10 positions at points seem fair to me.
Until not so long ago, in F1 they gave points only to the first 6, and going to points was already a success for mid-ranking pilots and cars.

Look at TCR UK scoring system: 20 positions in points and first 4 pilots has 5 point gap.
1.6
https://www.tcruk.co.uk/pdf/TCR_UK_REGS_Published_Copy.pdf

It is in real life, when there are a lot of pilots has a reason to finish the race anyway , w\o taken points. Money, contracts, to be better than teammate , girls and fanats and so on.
In simracing it is not working when you are racing w\o actual fight and out of points.

f1 rewards the elite of the top tier. Here its nice to give everyone points to race for, otherwise i find they just quit the race over a minor incident or lack of pace. Also sometimes you find yourself punted down the order through no fault of your own so they become consolation points. The cream still generally rises to the top of the points chart.  :)

(https://i.imgflip.com/1e8moy.jpg)

I'll drive any of that lot.
2x 20 is a good format for silly saloon type stuff (Even if they ran 1.5/2 hours races back in the day), but we might want to think about the reversed grib for this - I'm not sure it would feel very 'period' ;D

Now that I'm aware of the GPL mod for AC, can we have a season with that one at some point in the future?

We're hoping to Syd, make sure you join in the test race on Wednesday so we can get as much data as poss.
I'm hoping we don't go down the ballast/restrictors route and can instead use a more GPL style of equalisation.
Ideally I think we would want all of the teams represented, and maybe allow the Lotus drivers the option to run the 33 on suitable tracks  :)

Running 9 or 10 races a season,and requiring everyone to use a car only once in a season would be a good old GPL handicap to me.

Assuming the test race goes well and we are able to actually ‘race’ each other in them, I would hope we can run a season using the GPL mod at some point. Are there enough suitable tracks ?

World Champ tracks I know of for AC (legality is up to you guys).

Kyalami 67 - Mod
Monaco 66 - Mod
Mosport - Mod (any version available, the layout hasn't changed)
Watkins Glen - Mod (Classic short (No chicanes) is closest I know of to the original layout)
Monza road '66 - AC Stock
Silverstone '66 - AC Stock
Nurburgring - AC stock if we run Nordschliefe, Mod; if the classic Nurburgring I've seen about is any good/legal
Rouen - Mod (longest Layout) - (Should be Le Mans Bugatti, But A. I don't think the tracks been made in AC. and B. It's rubbish, even the drivers said so at the time.)
Zandvort - (mod for historic layout, but this is very good)
Spa '66 - Mod. modern would work but isn't 'right' in GPL terms as most of us are likely to finish the race.
Mexico City - Mod (but graphically it's rubbish, and the '88 layout)

Non Championship include Brands, and Oulton from stuff we know is good - and Jarama which I think I've seen knocking about.
Based on all the UKGPL races over the years they can be raced anywhere and still guarantee a big grin, any historic/classic track would be awesome ;D

Exactly!

Watkins Glen is really bad in graphics (specially colours), the layout is fine and fun.
Mexico is also bad in graphics.

If advertised a bit this championship can have excellent numbers of participants. Old school is not dead.  8)

i advertised this race on Kunos site and Tony advertised it elsewhere but only new driver it pulled in is Willian  :-\  If you guys know elsewhere to let people know then feel free to do so.

any shouts for what you guys would like to race next in historics? Either for single one-off's or a series.

wow, no answers since i asked back in April !  ??? :'( just brimming with enthusiasm here.

what direction are we taking for future events? Not sure we want to hang up our historics gloves yet awhile so expect its best to alternate moderns using ACC perhaps, with various historic rounds  :-\
I'm not about next week anyway, but thinking further ahead.

Reading the thread there appears to be interest in the GPL mod, I remember there is also interest in the DTM stuff from the test races we ran.

Both of those would need more than a week to actually drum up some interest so you could run a fun race with the 250F or a Moby Dick or just about anything while what ever advertising gets run for a month or so ready for the new series.

A friend of mine finally bought a steering wheel. He also wants to join historical events or championships.

For a future series, I believe that the GPL mod can also attract pilots from SRO (atm this server does a break from classic things on AC). So the number of participants could be interesting.

About a event race, no idea. Maserati 250 can be good.

All advertised considerably.

 :thumbup2: Moby Dick. Right now not a fan of running ACC until its sorted.

I'd vote for gpl 67 series too, but properly advertised.

In the meantime , moby dick race?,   917/30 @ monza banking  :devil:, maser 250 anywhere,  ferrari 250gto...

pick a weapon  :fencing:

I'll skip the Monza one if it's CanAm - I prefer a teeny bit of authenticity :P

You missed the GTO season sadly, think you would have enjoyed that

i have wanted to use the Moby Dick somewhere for a while, but it'll need a track to stretch its legs on...Le Mans, Spa, Road America, Mosport?
I watched a 936 doing laps of Laguna Seca the other day and that was pretty mesmerising.

Maser 250 is a fun car to chuck around. I tested it at Doni 38 which was good, but would also work well at Rouen

Also got the ace Lola mod for somewhere like Riverside or Bridgehampton

Lola T70 or 917/30 on some US track please. ;)

I still do think the Porsche 718 RS 60 Spyder is a great car for close racing too.
Or waddabout the Porsche GT1?

heh, I'm not so bothered about that as long as its fun, but the combo was mentioned in the past so figured I'd throw it in there


Yeh shame,  I looked at previous seasons results and saw a few I would have enjoyed...


917/30 just because its a beast, american track is good if it draws a grid :)


oh yes, I like that car too, a bit slow but so chuckable

The new Mosport could be excellent in it :yes:

The new Mosport is certainly interesting in the 935.
Makes you appreciate how they had to drive the buggers!

got a link to the Mosport track?

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/mosport-ctmp-0-8.24486/ (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/mosport-ctmp-0-8.24486/)
The other older versions are frankly rubbish compared to this.
935 needs stiffer springs to start to handle, I've knocked a lot of time off the standard setup. Certain there's more to come if I really tried.
You should be able to run a 1:18xx on full boost and lowish fuel.
For added interest it only has enough fuel for 35 mins at full boost, so if we ran a 40 min race it might add the choice between a low boost no-stopper or a flat out charge with pitstop....
I haven't properly done the math to see how close that gets yet.

I found some extra TV cameras for it too:
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/tv-cameras-for-mosport.24713/ (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/tv-cameras-for-mosport.24713/)

Just did some laps in the standard (Chevy powered) Lola, It's a blast - if somewhat deadly in the hairpin ;D

Will try that Mosport, looks good  :)


did anyone try these yet https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/tvr-griffith-200.25994/  ?

Yup, interesting and Twitchy as hell

Sounds fun,  I will download them and have a go  ;D

I didn't really think the Moby went well with Mosport  :-\ you cant really get the power down anywhere with so many swoops and turns.

But try it at Riverside (Long)....oh my goodness  :drool:  it feels savagely cool through sector 1, bit clumsy in sector 2 then 190+ down the backstraight followed by some 4-wheel drifts through the banking section  :o :punk:  it really suits this track.

I also tried the Lola Mk2 mod around Mosport and that felt (and sounded!) great too. Love this car mod, very high quality :)

Think both those combos would make great races.

is this the Lola you keep referring to https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/lola-t70-mkii-spyder-rf2.16043/ ?

if so, that's another car I need to crash then  ;D

That’s the one I think. It’s great fun to drive, I actually think it would make a good can-am style series with the right US tracks  :)

Kind of the point though, it raced more on tracks like Mosport than ones like Riverside.
With setup work it's good fun, but a massive challenge to drive fast.

Some laptimes for you - I'm interested how close the 2 variants of the Lola are, although to be far I gave the Ford powered car slightly more setup time.

917/20 = 1:13.6
935        = 1:18.8
Lola chevy = 1:23.3
Lola Ford.  = 1.23.4

I'll need to play with the chevy more, but it might be possible to use both cars in the same series.

The really amazing part is when you consider that the 917 and Lola times are seperated by only 5 years of development  :o

+1  :thumbup2:

See this weeks race thread  :)

so i was thinking of running a short Can-Am series (5 or 6 rounds) using the Lolas as they proved popular and are good fun for racing.  :)

Tracks so far:-

Mont Tremblant (have we got a good AC version of this track?)
Bridgehampton
Laguna Seca
Riverside
Mosport
Road Atlanta


Based on the real 70's series:

1   Labatt's Blue Trophy   Mosport Park
2   Mont-Tremblant 50   Circuit Mont-Tremblant
3   Watkins Glen Can-Am   Watkins Glen International
4   Klondike Trail 200   Edmonton Speedway Park
5   Buckeye Can-Am   Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course
6   Road America Can-Am   Road America
7   Road Atlanta Can-Am   Road Atlanta
8   Minneapolis Tribune Grand Prix   Donnybrooke International Raceway
9   Monterey Castrol Grand Prix   Laguna Seca Raceway
10   Los Angeles Times Grand Prix   Riverside International Raceway

T70 Mk2's didn't race beyond the '67 series though  :P

There is a Mont Tremblant, but it was a very early Beta and hasn't been updated in years as I remember. A pity as CanAm is great fun there based on GPL.

We do have a good Watkins with enough layouts to use the right one - or at least one that's close enough to be almost right.
And there is also a nice enough looking Mid Ohio on Race department - although i remember it being framerate heavy, don't know if that's been fixed.

i meant for the Can-Am tracks, not the car  ;)

Happy to run Watkins or Mid-Ohio if there isnt a good Mont Tremblant.

Just for the picky amongst us:

66 Season tracks:-

1   Player's 200   Circuit Mont-Tremblant
2   Bridgehampton Grand Prix   Bridgehampton Race Circuit
3   Canadian Grand Prix for the Pepsi-Cola Trophy   Mosport Park
4   Monterey Grand Prix   Laguna Seca Raceway
5   Los Angeles Times Grand Prix   Riverside International Raceway
6   Stardust Grand Prix   Stardust Raceway

There are other cars comparable to the Lola to use in this championship? I can test something.

I'm all ears  :) but it has to be fairly comparable to avoid bickering over car advantages  ;) to be fair, the group of racers that we have for historic racing are more about the racing and car enjoyment than win at all costs.  I just enjoy seeing, hearing and driving these exotic beasts.  8)

Ferrari 330 & Pork 908 fit somehow, I´m happy to choose underdog if possible. Let´s do test race @ anywhere?

Sadly I think the P4 and 908 will be destroyed.
I'm not even sure the 917 is fast enough?

Historically both cars did compete and score points in CanAm, but I suspect this has more to do with reliability than pace.

Just to get you into more of a CanAm mood....

https://youtu.be/qwm7V_tS_vA (https://youtu.be/qwm7V_tS_vA)

 ;D

I'm gonna finally try that Lola tonight...

then I hope I'm gonna come back and nag you to start that series or I'm gonna get bored and find another series to join  :P

I had hoped to get something sorted for this week but the rather warm weekend meant I was out and about enjoying the sun.

Nice vid fmg, I should have bloody gone to that Sunday, I only live 10mins away !

ah wonderful, what a great selection of cars on track 8)

did you get anywhere near the paddock to see them up close?

Yup, paddock is free entry for that event.
Only problem is the M8 was in a garage in the pits and broke during the race on Sat, so I never got up close to dribble on it.

haha  :drool:




I just spent an hour messing around at Mosport in the Lola with a buddy,  its a fun car so would def race a series of that  ;)

@Fabri, did you get anywhere with testing other compatible cars?

Still not established if there is a decent Mont Tremblant available? 

Sorry for being a bit tardy on this, Been distracted with an SCRS and Lancia 037 released for Dirt Rally 2  :tt1:  plus tinkering in the real world with my old 911 and Lancia Delta  8) Not left me much spare time!

just wasted an hour trying to find a Mont Tremblant but no luck. Some guy is making a good version of it but has been on it since 2017 !

Did find a '67 version of Watkins Glen though, so that''ll have to do instead.

So tracks will be:-

Riverside
Bridgehampton
Laguna Seca
Watkins Glen 67
Mosport
Road Atlanta

I thought I'd said the Mont Tremblant was not ready.
Turns out I typed something else by accident - however there is no evidence of this anymore ;D

sounds fun  :)

Just a shame it's the wrong Laguna Seca. The 60's version suits these far more.

Didn’t realise Laguna has changed much other than trackside paraphernalia  :-\ must admit I haven’t seen any historic footage from that track before.

Have some courtesy of GPL:

https://youtu.be/s1bKSdjcD9w (https://youtu.be/s1bKSdjcD9w)

This looks promising......the same team that produced the GT Legends mod but this time touring cars with BoP  8)

http://f1classic.forumotion.com/t20053-wip-touring-car-legends-mod-pack

cool, can see now what you mean. I take it you have done a search to see if anyone made it for AC?

link doesn't work unless your a member?

Yes you will need to register to view the site. This isn't released just yet but if it's up to the standards of their legends GT/proto mod it will be worth a look.

Not at sausage.
To be fair, it would have to be scratch built. You can always spot a GPL conversion - as unless the author has spent weeks/months on it, it will always look rubbish.
Take Aintree etc. as prime examples, they even have noticeable bumps in the FF where the different 'bits' of GPL track join together.

I was reading an interesting article in my latest Motorsport magazine relating to the glorious Alfa Tipo 33. Alfa apparently built it to take on the Porsche 906 race cars of the time, where it managed to beat them at some tracks including proper endurance races like Sebring.  So i was wondering if the two matched up well in AC ? If anyone has some spare time to test them, it would be handy to get some lap comparisons.

(one sticking point is, i cant remember if we have a Porsche 906 in AC ?)  :P  There is definitely a mod version kicking around as ive seen it online.

Lol,  different Typo 33 ;D

We've got the stradale  :)

Also we have the 908lh which wouldn't be comparable anyway.

Ha oh well scrap that idea then  :-[ didn’t realise we only had the Stradale as not looked for ages.  906 is a mod car too by looks of it. Shame!

Maybe not a candidate for a series here but I found this when I was searching for a Mini Cooper mod (after being disappointed with the mod recently released over at Race Dept). I can only find a facebook link for it so no idea of its origins but the quality of the mod is top notch, possibly the most realistic physics of any classic Mini.

https://www.facebook.com/assettocorsacarmods/photos/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-1275-for-ac-116made-by-davide-gerosa-with-a-lot-of-wor/1749465745164242/

not a huge fan of minis (to drive) but a race grid full of them would be a hoot no doubt. Be like the old GTL days  :)

Mini's vs Falcon's or Mustangs  ;D

watching this amazing footage makes me hanker after some more cool Group C racing  :wub:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P1QmCswql0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P1QmCswql0&feature=youtu.be)

Like were doing tonight actually  ;)

Funny you should say that, I spent a few hours on my monster Grp.C testing over the weekend.
Still a load of tracks to work through but we have a while ;)

This may come as a shock to all but I'm in. ;)

I remember the race with the 962 at Spa and a hard nerve fight with Tim. And my beautiful livery with "pois".  8)  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAooPmwR1m0 or put on your headphones and listen to these beasts.

I was there last year Bob, they sound epic in the Ardennes valley, like a natural ampi-theatre  :wub:

got to say, this also got me going this morning  8) watch it on a big screen with the volume up  :tt1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igdiXEMuMIE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igdiXEMuMIE)

Wow! How nice it is to see the pilot driving hard! Unfortunately this is missing in modern cars...

I wish I had 10% of that much talent  :o