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Title: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 11, 2018, 12:35:13 PM +0000
Championship Standings here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=597&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (10 mins)
Race 1: 20:30 (26 laps)

Track: Imola '88 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg187122#post_imola88)

Cars allowed: BMW M1 Procar  Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_bmw_m1_procar), Required wheel fix Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/download/15g2qvay9m3fnb9/PROCAR_M1_WHEELS.GTL) and overwrite the original file found at GameData/Teams/GTC-TC-76/BMW M1 Procar.

Car choice restrictions: Championship Positions (CP) 1 to 3 - Procar, CP 4 to 7 - Procar or Gr.4., CP 8 and above, and new drivers - ANY.

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit stops: Not required

Server: simracing.org.uk Wednesday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: Note early race start time.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Dominick on November 12, 2018, 03:58:24 AM +0000
"The Amazon S3 downloads have been removed.
Please request an updated download link for /gtl/tracks/SRou_GTL_Imola_1988_1.04.0.0.exe."


Just me?



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: SpecialKS on November 12, 2018, 06:43:53 AM +0000
This race is on November 13th 2019  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Geoffers on November 12, 2018, 09:03:38 AM +0000
This race is on November 13th 2019  ;)

Plenty of time to practice then Kurt!  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Geoffers on November 12, 2018, 09:05:45 AM +0000
"The Amazon S3 downloads have been removed.
Please request an updated download link for /gtl/tracks/SRou_GTL_Imola_1988_1.04.0.0.exe."


Just me?

No, seems like all the Amazon S3 downloads have gone.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 12, 2018, 09:35:36 AM +0000
UKGTK is currently transferring Download data from Amazon to Google Drive.

We expect all the correct links to be in place by mid-December.

WT


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: SpecialKS on November 12, 2018, 10:29:59 AM +0000
This race is on November 13th 2019  ;)

Plenty of time to practice then Kurt!  :laugh:

 ;D :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Dominick on November 12, 2018, 07:47:02 PM +0000
This race is on November 13th 2019  ;)
I know. I just fancied some of this for fun.  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Dominick on November 12, 2018, 07:47:33 PM +0000
UKGTK is currently transferring Download data from Amazon to Google Drive.

We expect all the correct links to be in place by mid-December.

WT
Ah, I see. Thanks.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: EvilClive on November 12, 2018, 08:42:14 PM +0000
This race is on November 13th 2019  ;)
I know. I just fancied some of this for fun.  8)


BMW M1 Procars……….FUN???!!!,  FUN????      are you some sort of masochist like one or two others around here???  :o  I think they are genetically linked to those turbo Capris that we raced, and they were of doubtful parentage too!!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 13, 2018, 09:51:49 AM +0000
All download links in the OP are now functional.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Dominick on November 13, 2018, 01:53:38 PM +0000
This race is on November 13th 2019  ;)
I know. I just fancied some of this for fun.  8)


BMW M1 Procars……….FUN???!!!,  FUN????      are you some sort of masochist like one or two others around here???  :o  I think they are genetically linked to those turbo Capris that we raced, and they were of doubtful parentage too!!

I've done the Targa with e.g. the Maserati 450S 5.7L, any variant of the GT40 in P&G, Lola's, Countach'es and Miura's and other assorted madness. I also used to do the actual 24h Spa event in P&G with the Gulf GT40 with a 63 cars field, so yeah, very much a masochist  ;D
Damn, I miss P&G....


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Geoffers on November 13, 2018, 02:58:37 PM +0000

Damn, I miss P&G....

There used to be a thriving P&G series here Dom, but attendances dwindled (not helped by 75% of the drivers driving for the same team!) until only 3 or 4 turned up every week, so Raceroom took over.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: SpecialKS on November 11, 2019, 09:46:58 AM +0000
I'll miss this one as I have to take care of my mother (84) who gets an eye surgery this week on her remaining eye and I'm not at home.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Geoffers on November 11, 2019, 12:36:56 PM +0000
I'll miss this one as I have to take car of my mother (84) who gets an eye surgery this week on her remaining eye and I'm not at home.

Hope it all goes well for her Kurt.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 11, 2019, 12:43:34 PM +0000
Same here Kurt, best wishes.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Erling G-P on November 11, 2019, 04:42:58 PM +0000
Same here Kurt, best wishes.

I'll second that.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: seniordan on November 13, 2019, 05:07:12 PM +0000
Best wishes Kurt.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: seniordan on November 13, 2019, 05:10:01 PM +0000
Does anyone share my habit of doing two laps at walking pace for (new) tracks ? Can be quite revealing !


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: EvilClive on November 13, 2019, 06:02:12 PM +0000
LOL!!   I wish I had on this version of Imola, Dan.

 I thought that I knew it because we had raced at Imola before, but some sneaky gremlin has moved the chicanes!!!  ………...and that came at a bit of a surprise as I powered into areas that I thought were safe!!! :o
 As a result, the various excursions and spins probably gave me a lap time far slower than your walking pace survey! and a car that needed some cosmetic attention  ::).





Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Dominick on November 13, 2019, 06:06:11 PM +0000
Despite the Beemers (yum) and Imola (like) Culture takes precedence over my racing *cough* career *cough* tonight as there is a lecture by one of the foremost Flemish authors in the library where I have one of my volunteer jobs which makes it a not-to-be-missed opportunity. Since she's translated in at least German and French (unsure about English), it might be worthwile to mention her name: Griet op de Beeck. Not for the faint of heart though.

Kudos to Kurt. Not an easy task you took upon you there.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Erling G-P on November 13, 2019, 07:57:44 PM +0000
Have fun Dom, if that's the right way of putting it...   ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 13, 2019, 09:45:44 PM +0000
Results and replay now posted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 13, 2019, 09:53:42 PM +0000
Congratulations to Geoffers who has won the 1980 BMW Procar Championship  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Worthy mention to.........

2nd - Erling G-P  :clap: :clap:

3rd - EvilClive  :thumbup2:

Thanks to everyone who took part and made this an enjoyable series.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: fpolicardi on November 14, 2019, 12:51:56 AM +0000
Sorry guys, I can't race no more on Wednesday cause we have moved our choir practice from Tuesday to Wednesday.
I'll miss you  :'(
Ciao


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Erling G-P on November 14, 2019, 12:57:00 AM +0000
Sorry guys, I can't race no more on Wednesday cause we have moved our choir practice from Tuesday to Wednesday.
I'll miss you  :'(
Ciao


That's a shame Fulvio; you'll be missed too  :'(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: phspok on November 14, 2019, 08:42:32 AM +0000
And Thursdays........ ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 14, 2019, 12:34:05 PM +0000
One to forget for me. Just come down with cold gifted from Mrs Wiltshire  :thumbdown:  Could not get into the flow of this track or remember the braking points. Several excursions gave me cuts for which I server a stop/go. Left pits and the following lap received a DQ for not taking a stop/go  :taz:  Must of forgotten one  ::)
Grats to Geoffers on the Championship win. Hope to be better for Charade on Monday.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: SpecialKS on November 14, 2019, 07:49:40 PM +0000
First of all - thanks guys  :) . She's fine although surgery's success is not yet secured.

Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Imola1988_13112019)

 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: SpecialKS on November 14, 2019, 07:53:33 PM +0000
And Thursdays........ ::)

As far as I remember we did P&G races on Thursdays back then.

Mondays to Thursdays - for me I'll make all possible. Normally no fixed dates during that period of the week.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Geoffers on November 14, 2019, 09:31:18 PM +0000
Funny sort of evening. Had some Windows updates earlier in the day & when I started the PC in the evening no apps worked  ???. So after a little swearing & cursing I decided the best thing was to shut down & try again, success all worked OK now, so was very late joining & practice was nearly over. First qually lap was average & then I crashed the car, second attempt was nearly as bad, ran off track twice & was amazed it was still fast enough for 2nd on the grid, then I crashed again, qually over.

Got a good start & grabbed the lead but it didn't last long, got out of shape at Acqua Minerale & Erling & Dan went past then ran wide out of Variante Alta & lost two more places  ::). Retook Rog & Clive on the next laps & set off after the leaders, took a few laps to catch up & got handed 2nd when Dan ran wide at Rivazza. So just Erling left. Gradually reeled him in then went grass-tracking & lost the time I had gained, was starting to catch up again when Erling had a very uncharacteristic spin at Tosa & I just squeezed through the gap between his car & the kerb. Managed to gradually extend the lead & had enough in hand to have a relaxed run through the back-markers on the last few laps. Thanks to all who pulled over & waved me through  :thumbup1:.

Congrats to Erling & Clive on the podium  :clap: :clap: & also to the same suspects on the Championship podium.  :clap: :clap: Had Erling not missed a couple of races it may well have been much closer.

Finally thanks to the mighty Tony for wonderful organisation.  :notworthy: :notworthy:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: Erling G-P on November 14, 2019, 10:21:26 PM +0000
Not much exitement regarding the Championship, since 1st & 2nd was settled before this race.  Still, who doesn't want to win the finale?  Had hoped to make things a little less easy for Geoffers, but alas, wasn't to be.

Lost the lead at the start, but got it back later on L1 as Geoffers mentioned.  Had close company from Dan for a couple of laps, until he fell back a little.  Noticed Geoffers behind him and hoped he would keep him occupied for a while. He quickly forgot about the brown envelope however, or maybe Geoffers had slipped him an even fatter one, for he soon let him through.  Geoffers soon up close, and with an amateurish mistake, the rear end broke loose, and I couldn't prevent it from coming round.  Handed Geoffers the lead and a 6-sec gap.  Once things start to go wrong, they often continue, and I lost more time later on the same lap.

Caught backmarkers in unfortunate places and lost a little more time - no fault of the drivers, who all did their best to help me past - thanks!   Late in the race when I passed Tony, he went so far off track to help me past, that I was afraid he might lose control. Gave him a wide berth, which then earned me a cut warning in one of the chicanes. That was the 2nd one, so had to be real careful in the remaining 5-6 laps.  Never able to close the gap to Geoffers again; only shorten it a little on a lap here and there - and see it stretch on others.

Grats to Geoffers on the win & Championship  :clap: :clap:  And to Clive for the 3rds as well  :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: fpolicardi on November 15, 2019, 10:38:42 AM +0000
Sorry, Thursday is no go for me.  :(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: EvilClive on November 15, 2019, 12:55:09 PM +0000
Hope all turns out well for Kurt and his Mum and that she makes good progress.  :yes:

Grats to Geoffers and Erling on their respective silverware.
 Also sorry to see that Fulvio will be missing from our Wed evening fun. Just FWIW Thursdays would be a no go for me as I play badminton in a vain attempt to stay remotely active and fit. Ironically, my current problems with gallbladder/gallstones whilst I wait for an op, has resulted in me carelessly mislaying about 25lbs of apparently unnecessary ballast....I wonder if that will improve my laptimes??


To repeat an often used phrase.."just getting a handle on these cars and the season ends"  :-\.

 I am well aware that I tend to be ham footed in simracing and that is most definitely NOT the way to coax these cars around any track. Throughout the season I have been carefully evolving the same setup, one that is first of all stable and predictable and using that I have tried to be much smoother and controlled with the brakes and gas etc. The biggest realisation for me was that in the early races I was downshifting much too soon and effectively locking the rear wheels, something that my dodgy shifter only made worse.
 (Huge thanks to Matt who found a G25 shifter lurking in his loft, surplus to requirements, and generously offered it to me at a giveaway price. I have a sneaky suspicion that I may be required to follow "team orders" in some future races??!  ::) )
I am light years off the pace of our 2 resident aliens, but at least I can complete a race in these cars and maintain a reasonably competitive pace. Given all my excuses I am quite chuffed to have finished 3rd in the championship and was at least able to share the champagne  ;D. In the race at Imola I also found that I was protecting the tyres correctly ( may be even too much?) and I finished the race with around 75% of the rubber still available and all 4 corners still with a hint of green  :o. At the beginning of this season I was contemplating a tyre change by lap 5...if the car was still usable by then!!! :-\

Once again Christmas is looming and daddy needs a new wheel. Preferably one that does not have a dead spot around the centre/straight ahead position. Some of you might have noticed that my car traverses each straight like an inebriated duck as I constantly nudge the steering first one way then the other. I apologise if it looks like I am weaving to block a pass, but honestly I am just trying to keep the car on the grey stuff  ;).

I am guessing that there are a few different wheels in use amongst the UKGTL faithful, so any feedback on what represents the best bang for you buck would be appreciated.  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: fpolicardi on November 15, 2019, 01:12:49 PM +0000
Hope all turns out well for Kurt and his Mum and that she makes good progress.  :yes:

Grats to Geoffers and Erling on their respective silverware.
 Also sorry to see that Fulvio will be missing from our Wed evening fun. Just FWIW Thursdays would be a no go for me as I play badminton in a vain attempt to stay remotely active and fit. Ironically, my current problems with gallbladder/gallstones whilst I wait for an op, has resulted in me carelessly mislaying about 25lbs of apparently unnecessary ballast....I wonder if that will improve my laptimes??


To repeat an often used phrase.."just getting a handle on these cars and the season ends"  :-\.

 I am well aware that I tend to be ham footed in simracing and that is most definitely NOT the way to coax these cars around any track. Throughout the season I have been carefully evolving the same setup, one that is first of all stable and predictable and using that I have tried to be much smoother and controlled with the brakes and gas etc. The biggest realisation for me was that in the early races I was downshifting much too soon and effectively locking the rear wheels, something that my dodgy shifter only made worse.
 (Huge thanks to Matt who found a G25 shifter lurking in his loft, surplus to requirements, and generously offered it to me at a giveaway price. I have a sneaky suspicion that I may be required to follow "team orders" in some future races??!  ::) )
I am light years off the pace of our 2 resident aliens, but at least I can complete a race in these cars and maintain a reasonably competitive pace. Given all my excuses I am quite chuffed to have finished 3rd in the championship and was at least able to share the champagne  ;D. In the race at Imola I also found that I was protecting the tyres correctly ( may be even too much?) and I finished the race with around 75% of the rubber still available and all 4 corners still with a hint of green  :o. At the beginning of this season I was contemplating a tyre change by lap 5...if the car was still usable by then!!! :-\

Once again Christmas is looming and daddy needs a new wheel. Preferably one that does not have a dead spot around the centre/straight ahead position. Some of you might have noticed that my car traverses each straight like an inebriated duck as I constantly nudge the steering first one way then the other. I apologise if it looks like I am weaving to block a pass, but honestly I am just trying to keep the car on the grey stuff  ;).

I am guessing that there are a few different wheels in use amongst the UKGTL faithful, so any feedback on what represents the best bang for you buck would be appreciated.  ;)
Clive have you already tried Logitech utility to set Dead zone?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 19 1980 BMW M1 Procar - Imola - Nov 13
Post by: EvilClive on November 15, 2019, 01:24:56 PM +0000
Yes, I have Fulvio. It is currently set to zero.

I suspect that the problem is general wear on the rack and pinion mechanism and therefore no amount of adjusting within the Logitech Profiler will solve the problem. I have tried to "dial out" the problem as much as possible by using all of the various parameters, but I am still left with around 5 degrees of nothing around the straight ahead position.

If I could purchase a new plastic rack part and a new pinion for the motor shaft, the change over is quite simple......but NEW parts for an old G25 wheel are not plentiful. It did occur to me that maybe Logitech are using the same components on their latest wheels? but I have no info about that.
Maybe an email to Logitech might ( or probably would not ) provide some answers and parts.