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Race
Practise: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  2x20 mins (2nd race reverse grid Top 10)

Cars allowed:
Ginetta Supercup
Link:- https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/ginetta-supercup-2017.17522/ (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/ginetta-supercup-2017.17522/)

Track: Donington National v1.15
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/donington-park.3031/ (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/donington-park.3031/)

Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Time of Day Setting: 16:00
Weather: Mid-clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: Not required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0)

Tooooo much damage percents for this car IMHO. They allow a contact battles well.  :fencing:
With 90 and small contacts appear, you'll lost a whole races.  :'(

Practice server should be up, it's set at 90% damage so report back on how that's working :)

Thanks Pete! Server is working good , with damage 80%  :P
70%- is ideal damage for all cases. All other are "from  the evil one"  ;)

LOL - one day I'll know what I'm doing  ::)

Can't wait to turn 150 years old.

we aren't meant to be encouraging contact  ;) why is 80 or 90% too high?  Your allowed to rub just not bash!  :)

Absolutely agree, Mark. But "to rub" means "lost the race" in case of 90 percents of damage option. ;) Especially in aero powered cars. We are all not rammers here, but i hate to loose my speed when i got a random small force contact from  any side.
I allways wonder when you still trying to set appropriate damage for different races , which take your lifetime. Just set it to 70 and forget about it "problem"  :)
Repeating i'll say another one . Any higher than 70 will brings not adequate reaction to your car, will bring headache to you in race, It's not learning to be more proper and not bring more skill to you or any other of good pilot :)
70%- is ideal damage for all AC cases in good team. All other are "from  the evil one"  :)

okay Alexey, will bow to your knowledge on this one as you know more about the dynamic modelling of AC than me. 70% it is. (Pete if you could alter the server for race night, thanks). It is reasonably easy to get spat off a kerb in these, especially with cold front tyres so might enable someone to continue to race who might otherwise be fubared after hitting a tyre wall.  :P

Is this just a one off race or a new series?

Server now at 70% (I hope ;))

its a one off to see if they are suitable for a new series sometime in the future.

@Pete, thanks  :)

What on earth is 'steer assist' in the setup? Power steering?

STEER_ASSIST=1.0   ; Variable steer assist, speed relative
This parameter presents in all AC car phisics , and usually =100 (1.0) ( linear) .Leave it to 100  :)
 

I won't be around for this one gents. Have fun!

I dont like this car in many aspects of phisics. :(
Clipping suspention , strange tyres T cicles.

I like airplanes in scenery more !  :)
Any advance to setup? I using wing2 and camber-3.5 in left screen. All other - default.

i gave it more toe front and tad more neg camber at front, slight reduce at rear left. Wing 4. Soften 2clicks front ARB, minor tweaks to dampers. Its one of those cars you have to hustle a bit to get a good lap time.  Moved brake bias back a few clicks to ease lock ups.

Car was allegedly collaborated with genuine Ginetta engineers. Tyres are medium slicks so take a good few laps to get heat cycled into them on such a light-ish car.

Thanks, Mark! Will try to love in official practice  :)

You really need to do the braking before the turn in.

I made another stupid setup, but it seems to work for me.

I thought the default was quite a nice stable, neutral setup. Doesnt seem to work the tyres too hard, and this track you do need a bit of oversteer.

I hope it will available on Stracker as usually  ;) ;D

Done, but it's still experimental and I will be tweaking it further. It's for the LHD version.

maxed all the settings again JR?  :alien:  ;D

To give you all a flavour ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmZ37lbcQZQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmZ37lbcQZQ)

uses the full track but you get the drift.

Well I thought that was a pretty decent nights racing,  these cars are good fun and work well. I was able to race closely with other cars which is important. They are just edgy enough to throw some drama into the mix and mistakes to be made.

In qually I was nipping tenths out of the top 3 but fell just short at the end. But in race 1 I couldn't keep with them, running 4th and driving hard but then had an oversteer spin off the outside kerb at t1. Rejoined back in the mix and had a good short sharp fight with Ceolmor, but eventually pulled away once I got past.

Race2 had a dramatic first few corners and I got a tap going downhill into Craners on cold meds  :o had no choice but to steer straight on the grass and hope no one collected me at the bottom. Everyone split around me like the red arrows  :laugh:
Then I had a cold tyre oversteer spin at the final chicane dropping me to last :taz:
Spent the rest of the race fighting my way back upto 6th, good fun  :)

Stracker dropped out both races until the last few minutes...weird, so never knew who I was racing as no labels in rift.
Jeff and Simon cut more corners than a football groundsman  ::) would have cost you both if that was a champ race  ;)
Well done winners  :thumbup1:

Some rather interesting driving last night. Good thing we're not monitoring driving standards!

can we get Simons lap record scrubbed from the history? He only got it by cutting across a corner on the last lap  ::) I dont know if he gained any places by it? Cheating doesnt deserve any kudos  :detective: 

only other dodgy driving seemed to be the lap 1 corner 1 melee'....as usual  ::)  but that happened behind me thankfully.

Had 2 fun races, but I'm not sure if these cars are truly suited for reverse grids.


Actually, I made more meters than anyone  :P. The c/t at this track is pretty bad. At the old hairpin you can go 4 wheels inside without any problems, but run a bit wide there and you get a c/t, even though cutting the inside is faster and running wide isn't. So I deserve a 5 second bonus for all the extra distance.

And maybe you should spend more time watching the road, as then you might have noticed the last corner is a chicane and not a double right hander  ;D

Simon's comment before the race made me chuckle during. His love for cars without ABS as that makes people more prone to make mistakes came back to haunt him as he went full front wheels locked into the gravel  ;D

I rather enjoyed that - these aren't great for hot lapping but the lack of aids certainly helped spice things up as Simon said (Just before taking himself out with a big error as I remember it :P )

Race 1 was another good example of Jeff and I managing very similar laptimes on very different setups - something that showed itself throughout the race with Jeff clearly having the faster car in the first half (and managing to use it when I ran slightly wide), before my car became a bit faster in the late stages while Jeff was clearly starting to struggle.
I managed to get alongside and even slightly in front on 3, maybe 4, occasions in the last 10 minutes but just couldn't make it stick  :(

Race 2 started perfectly from my point of view - as other than a small side to side when Jeff thought my bit of road looked nicer than his exiting T1 at the start ( :P ) all the other carnage happened around me and barely even slowed me. It also managed to make the Rift pay for itself as I was able to drive down to old paddock while watching the decidedly out of control car on the grass to my right, allowing me to avoid being wiped out by it at the corner - and I then just cut inside and powered by after he re-joined  ;D

Lap 2, sadly it was my turn to suffer from a no-aids related mistake when I locked a front wheel braking side-by-side towards the chicane. I would never have made the corner without causing chaos so let off and aimed for a gap in the cars ahead - clipping Matt (who thankfully survived without loosing a space, very sorry we hit at all) - before then half spinning in the sand.
Sadly that removed any shot at the win as Jeffrey and NFSF both managed to pass me at this point - after a brief fight with Alexey (you need to dive-bomb less, you're slowing yourself down way too much) and Matt, I ended up being handed 3rd by a very Helpful Simon.

So, I think these get my vote but you might want to think about the reversed grid option due to the very slowly warming tires and resultant chaos.

Can AC set the grid for a second race based on fastest laps from the first race? That might be a good 2nd option...

:thumbup2: ;D

As i remember we''ve never crossing our cars in this races, FMG.  ;D What divebomb you mean?  :o May be you chanded me to other pilot?   ;)

Uhm, I was ahead of you and your nose came against my door and I didn't suddenly open my door  :P

I really enjoyed the two races last night.  Didn't have time to practice or get a setup so just raced with the default which was fine.  Had some close and clean racing at times, which seemed to suit these cars.

Second race on the server can only be reverse grid based on previous race positions not fastest lap.  But you can dictate how many places are reversed.  So it could be the top 3, or top 6 only that are reversed, and all others in positions they finished the last race.  Non-finishers would be at the back.  Makes the battle for 6th place fun.

In race 2 I rejoined behind you and Matt after my trip into the gravel (at least stracker said it was you).
It may just be your driving style plus the extra lag you have, but on 2 or 3 occasions it felt like you were trying for a last minute move from miles back.
I actually ended up going wide twice to avoid what looked like potential collisions - although this also might have been encouraged by the mirrors for these cars in VR, they aren't the best placed..

Jeff: your car jumped sideways in my replay into me,  so I suspect the server was slightly fibbing to us through T1 as I certainly didn't change lines at that point!

It was not i am. May be it was MarkE. I dont have a replay, but i have onboars vid. So, please, be correct with such kind of things.  :P

quite enjoyed these. and I do like Donni National, which helped.
Race 1 was good, and I finished 10th, ahhh, ok, so I will be pole in Race 2  :scared:

So, off we go, I did a decent start and kept in front for most of lap 1, then had some maybe ambitious attacks
from people. FMG was testing his brakes as mentioned, was no big tap, but I think it nudged me into someone else.

If someone is faster in that situation I am not going to block, I would rather you were out of the
way and in front, but please don't drive as if I don't exist. Valid and obvious passes will always be respected.
mad lunges, and trying to occupy the same space will just get me sticking to a line, and it's your mission to
sort out where you go.

I even lifted on the straight once to let spanner through as he was getting frustrated, and he promptly locked up
and went across the gravel  :o Then later on I didn't realise I had someone up the outside where I had not expected
anyone to try to pass, and had contact. That happened more than once with different people
Other than those minor incidents I thought it went rather well, they get my vote.
But if it's a toss up between these and the GPL mod, GPL would win no contest though.

I had technical issues...one of the children had toggled the PS3/PS4 switch on my wheel so it wasn't functioning properly (pedals made the buttons press and wheel did nothing). Took me ages to work out what was wrong, by which time there was 30 seconds of qualifying left on a car I've never driven before. If it had been at a circuit I didn't know then I wouldn't have bothered, but it's a car with 4 wheels and an engine, so it should never be beyond the realms of possibility.

I like the reverse grids, it's the only chance I get of gaining a podium!


It was just testing for my final lap Mario maneuver.  ;)

TBH, I had thought cut laps didn't count, so assumed it wouldn't even register. I didn't gain any places, it was the last lap, last chicane and the next guy was about a straight ahead of me. It was a bit hairy cause the car bucked up in the air as I took the Mario route, it could just as easily ended in tears!

These cars definitely get my vote for a series  :)

good to hear these cars are generally liked. I think they would make a good 6-round series as can imagine they are even more fun at tracks like Oulton or Brands Hatch.  :)

There is also a BoP'd GT4 version of the Ginetta that can race the GT4 Cayman and Maserati in-game, so i will run a test race using those 3 cars at some point.

Not sure why the cut lap time stood to be honest. I thought the sim or our server settings would dismiss it, but not sure how that works  :-\

It’s possible cut laps are only discarded for qualifying?

We used those in the past and they weren't that perfectly BOP'ed.

how long ago was that though? I think the latest version of the mod is quite recent (might be wrong).

i think these cars suit the 2x20 minute format well and reverse grids. We just need to cut out the first lap carnage on race 2 where the fast guys come bundling through from the back and nervous guys ahead try and jump aside rather than sticking to their racing lines.

My problem with the 2nd race is i forget the first lap foibles of a car with the cold tyres/brakes thing after i just spent 20minutes hard racing, usually resulting in me falling off on my own  :-[ :laugh:

Here: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14368.0

No results posted for that race tho (which was good as my race was a disaster  :P).

I suspect results were posted but as it was a fun race from well over a year ago they've been expunged from the system.

Lap cuts are determined by the track - If the track builder has put the limits in a silly place then you won't get a cut..
Look at how many cut track warnings Jeff got - yet certainly in race 1 he was generally still on the kerbing when he was struck out.

that race was April last year (2017)  :P

Been updated since  (Dec 2018!) :-

GT4 Balanced
After some more testing, this is now balanced with the Porsche and Maserati GT4 cars.

What has changed:
Decreased the power
Increased the weight
Activated ABS
Activated TC

Ok this takes away the real details I have ( apart from the TC and ABS, that was my fault) but as I explained the SRO BOP this car differently at every track and this car is based on the British GT4 series.

I have tested this as Donington, Brands Hatch, Silverstone, Monza and depending on the circuit, does depend on the car that wins.

Mod link:-
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/ginetta-g55-gt4-2017.19598/ (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/ginetta-g55-gt4-2017.19598/)

The warnings here are very wonky, if you go wide at the old hairpin and try to rejoin asap you get a cut warning, if you fully ride the curb or even the grass you are fine  ::).

The last chicane could be cut a lot more as you could really ride that sausage, but that also didn't get detected by the game, so I wouldn't look in to the cuts at this track too much.


Well, I did say it was a while ago  :P .  They were a lot of fun to drive tho, don't know why I overlooked those cars.