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Race
Practise: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  40 mins

Cars allowed:
Grand Prix Legends Mod pack (any) version 2.15
https://www.mediafire.com/file/im2a4v34s1za92q/20181207+AC+1967+Grand+Prix+Legends+Mod+version+2.15.rar (https://www.mediafire.com/file/im2a4v34s1za92q/20181207+AC+1967+Grand+Prix+Legends+Mod+version+2.15.rar)


Track: Silverstone '67 GP  (Standard in-game track)

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Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Time of Day Setting: 16:00
Weather: Mid-clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: Not required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0)

This could be epic ;D

A second bite of the cherry  :) as a few of us had issues or couldn't make it. These cars/era definitely garner interest so its worth running another test race. And this place is wide enough for you all not to run into each other  ;)

This car pack and Silverstone '67 are made for each other  :euro:

ps, you will have to download that version 2.15 mod pack as its newer than we raced with last time.  :)  Someone tell the mod creator to learn the meaning of 'patch'  :P

 :thumbup2: :thumbup2: :thumbup2: :clap: :clap:

+1

 8)

@ Picnic, is it possible to have this running alongside the Ginetta server? That way people can practise whatever they fancy, new or old!

GPL mod v.2.15 (mega) mirror: Link (https://mega.nz/#!8CoFUKzQ!1Q65v9glr4AtbyNATmXRP3KHygobKfvp1fhBT7ZLDBI)

I'd rather not, setting up new instances of the cfg files/stracker etc is a bit of a faff to gain 1 day of extra practice that people can do offline anyway. Early announcements though is good :P

a little mood enticer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AJztPqUXtQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AJztPqUXtQ)

 8)

Practice server is up, only 2 of each car type as there are only 20 grid slots

Thanks Pete.  20 pits is a bit measly but doubt we will need them for a non-league race this close to xmas. Am sure FMG and Matteo can tell us the two slowest cars to drop as well. I'm all for a nice grid mix of cars anyway.

I was wondering if a series could be run whereby you all start in the slowest cars and win a seat in a quicker car by results  :-\ That would have a vintage real world feel to it, earning a ride in a faster team by winning or finishing on the podium or accumulating several good results, ie top 6 for instance. I know that probably means the fastest guys will rise quickly to the best cars but thats true to life anyway, and they still have to get that result from a slower car initially.

is it possible to put GPL v2.15 in the server title? Someone was trying to join me on the server this eve but he kept getting booted so I am guessing he was running 2.01 or 2.00  :-\  might entice more drivers into this niche racing if they can get onto our praccy server.  :)

Someone on practising at the moment so I'll try and remember to change the title in the morning.

thanks Pete, practise server is proving popular for these again  :)

I set the race to only 30minutes as everyones a bit busy this time of year but we could try 2x20 or a 40min race. How did 40mins feel last time? too long/bit boring/just right?

just right  :)
IMHO this cars is not for reverse grids because a hard to drive and ppl not have appropriate practice on most.
PS. But . May be reverse for top3 will be good here.

This is 60's F1 - 40 minutes is already way too short :P

They were never intended for sprint races - at GPL we've tried all manner of race lengths but always end up back at 40-50 mins.
Half the skill is in finishing, surviving for 20 minutes is easy compared to 40 odd mins :)

okay, i'll adjust it to 40 mins  :)

damage at 70% in case you bend a wishbone  ;)

Also this time I perfectly agree with FMG.

About damange, Mark, if people want 70%, give them the 70%.  ;D

I'm all for 100%, it's GPL after all :D
Can we reserve cars again? I'd like to reserve a ferrari :)

 ;D Me too...

Server name in the online list says v2.5 when it is version 2.15.

That'll be Pete doing a typo, just cant get the staff these days  ;D

Anyone found any setups for these cars online? I cant find much about this mod at all, other than youtube links. I thought there would be an official page for a work of art like this and don't think its even on RD  ???

And yes, let us know your favoured car so hopefully we can ensure there are enough of a certain car, though I don't really want more than say 3 of each car to give it a bit more flavour.

can someone try the Brabham, I get a checksum error if I try and join with that. Not sure if its a file error with my install or the servers. I just over-wrote the old mod with the latest. No problem with the other cars i've tried so far.

Same for me and Willian .

Same here.  I deleted the old versions and replaced with 2.15 and did the import files for 49 and 312 again but getting checksum on the Brabham.  Maybe this has the old data.acd in the server.

Corrected the server name, anyone want to get me a new keyboard with a working 1 key for Christmas  ::)

Also refreshed the content in case I did miss one (or all) the updates out.

Server restarted so please report any more problems

Brabham works well here now. Thank you.

Well, the Lotus was a live-wire at Kyalami - It's even worse here ;D
The power band is so narrow that setting the gears up is a job in itself (I'm still not happy, I expect/hope to go faster with the set I've just made but have to go out now before I can try it).
The result is that I'm having to properly dance on the throttle while trying to adjust to the on/off cam mid-corner, and then having to change gears in places I'd rather not.
I'll have a go in the Eagle either later tonight or maybe tomorrow, I'm expecting that to be slower but much much easier to drive. Going fast in the Lotus is just like trying to go fast in a Matra - only with an extra 100odd BHP (try the Matra, going fast in it is addictive here it's so hard 8) )

Anyway, the real reason for this post is that before going onto the server I did a back-to-back comparison between the Kunos and GPL Lotus 49's - The Kuno's car is slightly slower, but it actually much easier to drive on the limit (I didn't expect that!). Both cars can likely improve, but I would expect the gap to stay fairly similar to what you see below.
For reference I run my practice sessions colder than the server is normally set - Hence the fact I've knocked another 1/2 second off online.

Kunos L49  = 1:25.702
GPL'67 L49 = 1:24.406

I'll have to pick another track to do the Ferrari properly as I've already taken that out on the server.

Yes, Eagle is fast and easy, Lotus fast and hard.

Nobody commented on this, no thoughts from anyone ?   :boat:

Had a damn power cut and a water leak today so not been able to get any laps done  >:( still no power after 5 hours  ::)

It can be lonely enough at the mid to back of the field as it is. If you do well and get rewarded with quicker car all you'll do in ensure the gaps are bigger and no one gets anyone else to race. Not a good idea in my book unless I've misunderstood what you're proposing.

I think for that to work and to get decent sized grids you'll have to pay us Mark ;)
As picnic says, for midfield and back drivers what is the incentive to race?

As it's GPL I'll be up there fighting with Fulvio and Manteos (and Jeff if he decides to join us) for a go in a lotus.
But, here, as in GPL, I drive to race. If im in an Eagle or a Lotus then I'll only have Manteos or Fabri to race against.
If I'm in a Honda or a BRM, then provided slower drivers pick from the faster cars I'll actually have more people to race - even if this means I can't expect to win a championship anymore I do nonetheless enjoy it more because I have to work like crazy just to make the podium.

I don't think your suggestion would encourage decent grids throughout a season I'm afraid. Deffinately not from people who don't have a massive interest in these cars.

I didn't replay because I thought it was the worst idea ever  ;) :P. It will make the first race a cup race with everybody in the same car and after that the field will just get stretched.

Oh well was just a thought, maybe it might have worked better if only the quicker guys started with the slow cars and earnt their better ride  :-\

You've not looked at the timings lately then?  :P

Somehow I'm faster in the Hondola than in the Ferrari! :o

I got checksum error when trying to join the server with Brabham BT24 now ???

Are you sure you're running v2.15 of the mod? Fabri has reported the Brabham as working.

Aside from the 33 that's everything now. I'm not sure what's going on with the sector 1 time for the Mclaren, I'm fairly confidant the actual laptime is correct as it agrees with my pb on my own pc - also the graph looks fairly normal and believable.

Matteo, Fabri: what are you guys planning to drive?
I'm guessing Cooper again for Fabri?
How about you Matteo? I'm thinking I'll probably have to take the Ferrari for a close fight - I've got the Honda working too well - I think you are a similar pace in the Mclaren?

Anyway, looking forward to weds now  ;D

I'm sure of it, and I've joined the server on a Brabahm 2 or 3 days before. However I downloaded again the mod from the link in the first post, and installed it again. Hope that car won't cause issue the day of the race.

About my car choice, I didn't try too much the Mclaren Fmg, but seems the one that could match better your and Fabri's laptimes, if he's going to choose the Cooper again. I'm just doubtful I'll have some more time to try that car again before the race. And I'm even more doubtful to be on time for the race, but I'll do everything I can to take part in it. I Promise  ;)

i've only managed a single half hour practise session since last week  :( been plagued by lengthy power cuts all weekend and last night/this morning  >:( so i am probably only 50:50 to make the race at this rate  :'(  I am also out all eve tonight so no more chance of practise until the race. How annoying  :taz:

I will be in the Mclaren if i can race.

You front guys should be running Matras to give the rest of us a chance to keep up ;D though its probably healthier for all if the front few break away from the pack and have their own battle  ;)
I thought the Honda is supposed to be slower than a Ferrari?

I assumed the natural pecking order was:-
Lotus 49
Eagle
Ferrari
Cooper
Mclaren

with BRM/Brabham/Honda etc all fairly similar midfield then Matra and L33 bringing up the rear?

Hope i'll learn one turn better tomorrow and join in Eagle in race  :)

It's highly track dependant, but I wouldn't expect the Honda to be this strong at Silverstone in GPL.
I must have just nailed the setup through luck.

Speedwise it depends on whether you're talking GPL or real life.
GPL is nearly always as follows:
Lotus
Ferrari/Eagle
Brabham
Cooper
Honda
BRM

On very fast circuits expect the Eagle to gain an advantage,  on very slow tracks it's often between the Lotus and Brabham.
The Honda and BRM always suck as they made their engines from Uranium (the BRM is also very unreliable) while everyone else used ultra light aluminium.

In real life the tracks had a bigger effect.
Very fast circuits favoured the Fez, Eagle, Honda and BRM although reliability generally meant the Brabhams won if the Lotus couldn't ;)
The Cooper had a great chassis but a 10 year old Masserati V12 which couldn't really compete with anything other than the Repco lump.

While the Lotus should be strong favourite, the 49 was too new to be reliable - it was also only rolled out in June. So most races were driven in the 43 before then. Which used the same bonkers and heavy H16 as the P83/115, hence the 33 being used at Monaco.
The Ferrari's had similar reliability issues and weren't meant to be too great to drive.

Essentially anything that wasn't a Brabham needed nursing to the end of most races, Jack won the season thanks to reliability over pace, for 69 Brabham would ditch the Repco for the Dfv, as there was nothing left to coax out of it..

The Mclaren was an also ran in 67, they only made one car and we're still learning what was needed a F1 level.

Sounds like i need to roll a reliability dice after each race and tell half of you that you didnt actually finish because you broke down at the side of the track  :laugh:

While AC doesn't seem to simulate oil and water temps (or maybe none of the mod teams bother to implement it) you still have 100% damage as an option.
In GPL hard difficulty ment full (ultra fragile) car models, plus you had to manage revs, oil temp/water temp, tire temperature & pressure, and how aggressive you were with the gears throughout the race.

There are several circuits where you had to drive slower to
A. Finish.
And
B. Lap faster.

We've got it easy here  ;)

From the tests on these two tracks, the perfermances seem to be so:

Eagle
Lotus
-1 sec.-
Ferrari
Mclaren
Cooper
Brabham (I think with a good setup, can be faster)
Honda
BRM

Lotus 33/Matra have smaller engines. I didn't try them, but are slower.  

Eagle and Lotus are really faster than the rest, wich the difference that Eagle is easy, Lotus hard to drive.
About group, seems quite even; maybe BRM is a bit behind.
Much depends on different factors: tracks, how much you are focused on that car, setups, feeling, etc.

As said by FMG on several occasions, finishing the race is already a good result. This was the motorsport than once.
Before dealing with the reliability argument, I would like to remind you that there will be really difficult tracks, where an error could be fatal. Tracks like the Ring (of course), Spa (I tryed on AC time ago, it really dangerous), Rouen, Monaco. Zandvoort (the old one) also has dangerous parts.
In any case contacts must be avoided.
Speaking on the Damage Model/reliability, in AC is really bad. This is perhaps the weakest point of AC. They have simple not focused much on the damage model, aware that the "virtual-average-pilot" doesn't care about this and likes to have contacts and not to break the car.
It is quite ridiculous to see cars slamming into a wall at 200 km/h and turn back on track as if nothing had happened. And to be honest, even the contact between me and Matteo to only at 120, would have been fatal for both cars.
AC's Damage Model is inaccurate, but very permissive (even with the default value). I remember that in GPL it was much better and there was a certain lack of reliability of some engines.

That said, yes, I will take a Cooper.  :)

Awesome, you've gone faster - I can take the Honda now!

I also take a cooper if that is possible. :)

Sorry can't make this one. Internet will be down and I'm also on child duties. Have fun.

Looking forward to this.  Can I have an Eagle please.

@pete, we can safely drop the L33 and Matra as nobody (sane) will take them here. Think that leaves enough choice for those racing to pick their chosen cars  :-\
Ta  :)

Will do

Found I have roughly the same pace in the Brabham and the McLaren. Got dropped from the server again yesterday and don't know if it is the Brabham causing an issue. So i'll drive the McLaren if there are enough left.

I am much the same pace in most of them. I like the Honda best, and then, strangely the L49 which is
twitchy, but to me, with my easy listening setup, is more drivable than the Eagle  :o
Fastest in the Maclaren, a few tenths behind in the Ferri, don't like the Brabham or Eagle.
BRM is ok, but HondaSan feels better here. Not sure what to take yet, but if there are no
Hondas left Iwill take either L49, Mac, or Ferri

HHHa! I am in list1 after multiX aliens  ::)
MarkJ and Ceolmor and i am have a good chance to have a good battle in 2nd division  ;)
May be Stefan and others will join to our battle! Jump in, guys!  :fencing:
Be warned, guys i am in paddles and have 0.5 second break pause in EVERY upshifting, too early braking and non-aliens gearing.  :P   Stay away from me!  :D

Car/Driver list:-

MJ - Mclaren or Cooper
Stefan - Mclaren
Ceolmor - Eagle
Willian Cooper
FMG Honda
Fabri Cooper
Baikal - Eagle
Syd - Ferrari
Bob - Ferrari
Matteo -  ??
Phspok - Honda or L49

Anyone else?

Not sure if I can make this as might be having a get together with friends this evening. If I'm around I'll take the Cooper (or anything else that's available).

 :( Family commitment come up, won't be able to make it tonight. Have a good race.

The italian job part 2: this time I was the protagonist, losing the control of my car I got the innocent Mark. Sorry again.  :-\
Accident identical to that one of the last race between me and Matteo. I was probably very distracted, unnerved by the contact on the first lap (I was rammed by an Eagle) and this has heavy damaged my car on three sides, so I was no focused on driving. I compromised Mark's race.

In any case this allowed me to see onboard the great duel between Matteo and FMG. Incredible and adrenalinic. Should pay a ticket to see these things! Very great!
Congratulations also to Willian for the podium.

Really enjoyed that  ;D As I took one of the slowest cars last time, I took one of the fastest for this race
The Locust is twitchy, hard to control at times, so I neutered it with a very calm setup, still had to remember
to down shift later than I wanted to, or the back would swap ends for fun. Took it easy at the start
avoided a couple of incidents in front, had to take to the grass to avoid Dorman (you looked like you need
to back off the steering?) Then gained from other people's offs, and stayed on the track till the end
Great racing.  :thumbup1:

Replay for anyone that needs one:

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/phspok1/AC_191218-212128_R_gpl67_lotus_49_ks_silverstone1967_ (https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/phspok1/AC_191218-212128_R_gpl67_lotus_49_ks_silverstone1967_)

Sorry, sorry and again, sorry  :(

I tapped Fabri's rear left tyre as we approached Stowe on lap 1, pushing him into the low wall on the inside of the bend.  My sincere apologies for that and for mucking up your race.

In my eagerness to ensure that I did not take advantage of my mistake, and let Fabri pull away in front of me, I landed up in the worst place, at right angles to the inside of the bend.  So poor Alexey had nowhere go as he rounded the bend and T-boned me.  My apologies to him also, and anyone else who had to take avoiding action.

I eventually settled down and chased to catch up with Syd.  But we then collided as we approached a bend.  I thought it was my fault so waited for him to get back on track, but I think he thought it was his fault, because he seemed to wait for me and then later he let me pass at the very end of the last lap.  That was very sporting of you Syd, but I'm not convinced you were at fault for our collision.

These cars are so much fun, and I can turn in a reasonably fast lap when hoptlapping, but in a full on race I think these cars are above my pay scale.

I have no words . I just want to say - it was the last race with this cars for me. The time i spend in practice and setup not cost things from some other guys which ruined such games for others due his nervous or having no practice before the such kind of races, or making just stupid mistakes with no brain. But was fun with Mark and Willian catching in target of  reach the podium after last positions.  Congrats winners ( podium, esp Willian). FMG, drift style is wrong for ANY cars anyway !  ;D This show you making is possible only for you and only in AC  ;D But damn good to see it  :thumbup1:

Alexy - I prefer older cars, so I can assure you my normal driving style on track in real life is also 4 wheel drift ;)

The race was awesome with Matteo right up until the point I made an incredibly glancing contact with the inside wall at T1, and AC decided to totally right-off the nose of my car.
An absolute perfect lap after that incident was nearly half a second down on my earlier laps, which was a killer as this was the point my car should have starting to speed up at :(

I'm still amazed at how Matteo and I can drive classics like these with such utterly different styles and yet lap to within hundredths of a second 8)

I enjoyed that tonight, had some intense racing and good chasing mostly.  :)

In qually I just couldn’t string some good laps together and when I was on a hot one I’d then fluff a corner late on and lose the delta  ::) so started about 6th or 7th  :(

But made a good start at the race and gained a place or two and amazingly found myself chasing Fabri for 3rd whilst fmg fought Matteo up ahead. It was mesmeric for a while and I was grinning away hassling Fabri and hearing the lovely sound of his engine sat almost on my nose  8) The battle lasted for about 10 laps? But sadly Fabri got a wheel in the grass on hanger straight entry and got spat right. I dived left to avoid but his car then came back across and I couldn’t avoid t-boning him at very high speed  :'( we both span off the track and sustained damage as well as losing a place to Willian. It was a real shame as id hoped we’d fight to the end.
Alexey caught us soon after and I annoyingly watched him in my Mirrors and ran wide at abbey? So he got past without a scrap  :taz:  I chased him hard for ages but he had the pace over me despite kicking up a lot of dirt! He eventually pulled away late on. But on the last lap I saw a car off on the penultimate corner and finished a decent 4th  :)

Congrats to Matteo, Fmg and Willian on the podium  :thumbup1:

I love the sideways racing action in these, we just need a few more regulars really, to beef up the grids but 11 is still good for a fun race this close to Xmas  :)

I love you for it! Amazed to view you drift vids!  :thumbup2: But see- Matteo win in classic ( grip using) style. Because hi was save a lot more rear tires in compare to you. And this mod has a unrealistical very small tyre wear . If you have a good tyre wear simulated car- you will lost your rears more and more sooner than Matteo  ;) And you'll lost yours pace more and more during the race  ;)
PS. Mark , let's race an old Monza next week in these fu**** king cars mod in the end of the ends!  ;D
PSS I am fully amazed by my start in paddles when i lost 100 positions when my gearbox was in vacation in every upshifts  ;D It was so cool in view!  :laugh:

Just watch some classic F1 GPs or some pics on google, often these cars were in sideways.

Matteo has a more clean style, FMG more drifting. I'm in middle, maybe more close to FMG.
On these cars, tire wear was never a real problem (they often did the whole weekend with them).

If we need use the term "classic (driving) style", it is like FMG drives.

PS: no problem Ceolmor, these are also the races.

Yeah Fabri, i mean "modern" , just word mistaken  :)
Re MJ. So what about Monza GPL next week? ( very very last race in this mod for me)  :laugh:
BTW I'd prefer to race an original Kunos content here ( Lotus 49) because i've found cars i've tryed  more difficult to drive ( GPL Lotus and Eagle) and some more overspeeded and extra wild in overall compared to my POV to how it was IRL and true laptimes . IMHO- Kunos content here is more friendly to RL too. May be i am wrong ( i am not maniac of extra hard levels in sim.)  I mean i am is not so maniac like FMG  :D

No, Matteo won because I touched a wall and AC trashed my car ;)
I couldn't keep up due to the damage.
In practice my race setup would start nearly a second off the pace and slowly improve as the fuel level dropped until I was at qualifying pace for the last few laps.

Matteo might have won still, but it would have been a question of who was better - or possibly even who was lucky - at the end  :D

My tire wear was low enough that even with my style I could have easily done a 'full' 1960's race - I.e. Roughly 2.5 hours

Please could Dorman Olas let me know his forum name so I can import the results properly?

Thanks

Monza '66 would indeed make a spectacular race in these cars. Also Imola '72  8)

Having a Rift is just something else in these cars too. I was sat on the 3 car wide grid marvelling at how cool the grid looked from my cockpit, then staring up into the vintage grandstands taking it all in, then the revs built up for the race start, a cacophony of great engines barking.....just magic  :euro: :thumbup1:

it was amazing racing Fabri so closely in these cars, we gave each other a wide berth in some of the braking zones but otherwise i could glue myself to his gearbox watching the flames spit out on downshifts and hearing his engine screaming over my own and both 4-wheel drifting through some corners  :drool:

Only downside to the Rift was my eyes were starting to really ache towards the end of the 40minute race (plus half hour worth of practise and qually ontop).

What i dont know yet, is are we kind of stuck at 11 drivers for these or is it just because they are only fun races (traditionally lower grids) and its close to christmas when everyone is busy.  :-\  If we had 15 drivers signed up it would be a great series.

That's why we love these cars  8)

I don't think we need another fun/test race if we are going to do a whole series in a near future.

Put him in the list as "Unkown" Pete, it's a non champ race, so it doesn't matter about points.

Bob and Stefan went AWOL last night so guess thats another 2 who would normally race these  :)

Fair point so I've done that, what happens when we find out his ID though for future races won't he always be seen as unknown?

Don't think so, It will read his entry at that time. Pretty sure I've done that with other visitors
before who became regulars

I forgot to comment my race.

Both me and FMG showed a great respect and fairness to each other during all the first part of the race, and I guess I'm not exaggerating if I say that we passed each other at least 7 or 8 times in the first 20/25 mins before he had to give up due to that slight touch to the wall. It's not the first time that we do some great battles, but that vintage flavour made it epic! You're almost my favourite opponent to fight with on track, almost on an equal footing with a couple of my VDA teammates :P  ;D

About my driving style, it's something less spectacular than FMG's style, but it's equally effective. I'm a fan of FMG's driving style too, and watching him in front of you or looking at your mirror is a pleasure... even if I must admit that I prefer to watch that show by my mirrors  ;D ;D ;D

Evenmore I'm usually a latebraker, but not a rammer  :P, and I experience some troubles to brake with my car sideways setting a brake bias too unbalanced on the rear. That was almost the same even when we did the champ with the GTO. I'm simply not a good drifter, or I can define myself an "half drifter" :D. I do well just one part of the work, that regarding the control of power oversteering... even if the previous race proved the opposite  ;D ;D

Thanks everybody for racing chaps. Hope to see you soon  :)

P.S Without any intent to be pretentious, I would like to invite the people who race here to give a look to the first 20 mins of the replay posted by Matt some posts ago. You won't regret it for sure.
It was a perfect spot that some italian simdrivers should take a look at to understand how to have a good fight on the track. I'm obviously not referring to Fabri or other people that use to race here on SROUK.

 I'm him.:) I haven't been active in AC before but I have in GPL, GTR..

Thanks welcome to our AC land, hope you'll join some more races :)

Oly9 = Oliver Rakonjac? Is that another of you names?