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Title: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 19, 2018, 08:17:48 PM +0000
Season 34 ā€“ 1955 Grand Prix

Please check the Season 34 details (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=663&theme=6) regarding rules and the 1955 Grand Prix pages (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=664&theme=6) in particular.

This season, races are to be run at 60fps ā€“ please use this patch 60fpsV2newmod (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=4584#entry33919). If you have issues read festers post (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12905.msg232771#msg232771).

Drivers must complete 50% of each race to score.

The races will be run as follows:

Car set: 1955 F1 only
Date: Every second Sunday from 20th January 2019
Time: No later then 9:00pm UK Time (30-60 mins practice, race starts at 9:30pm)
Race Length: 50 minutes
Damage Model:  Pro
Server: TBA
Race List: IGOR
Divisional Moderator: Phil Thornton

Calendar:
Date    
 Day        
   Time        
Mod    
   Track        
     Folder      
  Laps  
     Download      
20/01/2019    Sunday 21:00 GMT 55GP
Zandvoort
zandvoort
??
Papyrus Original
03/02/2019    Sunday 21:00 GMT 55GP
Spa 67
spa67
12
Link (http://srmz.net/index.php?s=448c71de31d5af327ee46f7dfc1fde15&showtopic=10443)
17/02/2019    Sunday 21:00 GMT 55GP
Brands Hatch 1967
brands67
25
Link (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6810)
03/03/2019    Sunday 21:00 GMT 55GP
Hockenheim
hockenhm
21
Link (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=9311%20%20http://dixierunners.speedgeezers.net/Hockenheim/)
17/03/2019    Sunday 21:00 BST 55GP
Albi 1967
albi67
32
Link (http://a.bosco.free.fr/gpl/albi67.htm)
31/03/2019    Sunday 21:00 GMT 55GP
Dundrod 1950
Dund1950
??
Link (http://jrpearson.homestead.com/Dundrod1950Downloads.html)
14/04/2019    Sunday 21:00 BST 55GP
Indianapolis 1999
ims
45
Link (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=3794)
12/05/2019    Sunday 21:00 BST 55GP
Monza10k
monza10k
17
Link (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=9323%20%20%20http://www.dixierunners.speedgeezers.net/monza10k/)
26/05/2019    Sunday 21:00 BST 55GP
Bremgarten 1954
bremgart
19
Link (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=5964)
09/06/2019    Sunday 21:00 BST 55GP
Silverstone
silver
27
Papyrus Original

Handicapping
We will use the tokens system again this season. The tokens system used with the 67F1 cars is actually a chassis levelling system, not a form of handicapping. So to introduce a form of handicapping into the 1955 Grand Prix series, drivers who are classed as "Amateurs" will be given additional tokens.  This will take the form of 10 additional tokens at the start of the season.  However an "Amateur" driver who fails to start any of the first 5 races will only be eligible for an additional allocation of 5 tokens (rather than 10).  "Amateur" status will be declared by the divisional moderator at the start of the season.

There is no red zone for this championship. Drivers are reminded that Lap 1 incidents do carry an extra 1 place penalty.

The races will be run under Pro rules so no shift-Rs are allowed.

Only reported incidents will be moderated.

If you would like to enter this series please submit an entry in the poll.


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on December 21, 2018, 10:12:40 AM +0000
Suppose I can always start with the Gordini at Dundrod to put a few Thornton Dollars in the kitty.  ::)


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 21, 2018, 01:06:20 PM +0000
Suppose I can always start with the Gordini at Dundrod to put a few Thornton Dollars in the kitty.  ::)
You might be able to re-write history too Clive. Nobody drove the Gordini in the actual race (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955_RAC_Tourist_Trophy) in 1955.  There is a Pathe News Reel of the event here (https://www.britishpathe.com/video/tragedy-mars-ulster-t-t) which is very interesting but highlights the primitive safety standards at the time. I haven't worked out how many laps we can squeeze in for a 50 minute race but it won't be anything like the 84 laps of the real event!


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on December 21, 2018, 01:39:44 PM +0000
Suppose I can always start with the Gordini at Dundrod to put a few Thornton Dollars in the kitty.  ::)
You might be able to re-write history too Clive. Nobody drove the Gordini in the actual race (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955_RAC_Tourist_Trophy) in 1955.  There is a Pathe News Reel of the event here (https://www.britishpathe.com/video/tragedy-mars-ulster-t-t) which is very interesting but highlights the primitive safety standards at the time. I haven't worked out how many laps we can squeeze in for a 50 minute race but it won't be anything like the 84 laps of the real event!

That was a sports car race but still interesting.  The drivers used to race anything with wheels on back then.

Try typing Loynes into the search window.  ;-)  That was '58 but nearly as old! 


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 21, 2018, 02:25:58 PM +0000
That was a sports car race but still interesting. 
You are right it is, but the track is period and the 300SLR is bored out version of a W196 with lights on so it should be an interesting challenge.

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The drivers used to race anything with wheels on back then.
On on any track too. Walls, trees and telegraph poles didn't put them off   :eek:


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on December 30, 2018, 07:15:05 PM +0000
I've found a dusty Connaught at the back of my garage at Zandvoort.  Says "mb connaught55".  Any idea where that came from?


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: EvilClive on December 31, 2018, 09:42:42 AM +0000
DON'T TOUCH THAT CAR!!!!

It belongs to HER   :shifty:. and was parked in the wrong garage by incompetent mechanics ( there are a couple of likely suspects) in preparation for a return of the Mighty Wazas in season 34.

The "mbConnaught55" is a specially prepared car for the forthcoming season utilising Waza technology, you will not be able to handle its awesome power.  ;D

If you discover an oddly named Gordini....don't touch that either!!!


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Alessandro Isacchini on December 31, 2018, 10:49:06 AM +0000
Hi gents, I'm in for full (hope) championship   :thumbup2:


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on December 31, 2018, 11:38:24 AM +0000
Hi gents, I'm in for full (hope) championship   :thumbup2:

Hope you enjoy it Alessandro.  Phil has taken it easy on people this season and avoided the brake management challenges of Aintree and Monaco. 


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on December 31, 2018, 11:40:32 AM +0000
DON'T TOUCH THAT CAR!!!!

It belongs to HER   :shifty:. and was parked in the wrong garage by incompetent mechanics ( there are a couple of likely suspects) in preparation for a return of the Mighty Wazas in season 34.

The "mbConnaught55" is a specially prepared car for the forthcoming season utilising Waza technology, you will not be able to handle its awesome power.  ;D

If you discover an oddly named Gordini....don't touch that either!!!

LOL  I quite like it.  It is becoming my favourite.

Must look in the other garages to see if I can find the Gordini.   ;D


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: francesco on December 31, 2018, 12:45:08 PM +0000
In my opinion 10 point for the amateurs are to few.The faster cars are expensive.Is not possible to encrease?


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on December 31, 2018, 01:46:57 PM +0000
In my opinion 10 point for the amateurs are to few.The faster cars are expensive.Is not possible to encrease?

I don't think that the points system is intended to even out driver ability.  Tim has demonstrated by his past performances, at Spa in a Gordini, that this just isn't possible.

The Pro and Amateur competitions are completely separate but just happen to be on the track at the same time.


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Alessandro Isacchini on December 31, 2018, 03:17:18 PM +0000
In my opinion 10 point for the amateurs are to few.The faster cars are expensive.Is not possible to encrease?

Maybe, but with my few laps with F1 55 seems that it's most important the brake management instead of speed
rather in a past season the impression for me was that Tokens are too many because was not too difficult to use performance cars specially for fast drivers, so few tokens forces to use slow cars


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: francesco on January 01, 2019, 07:43:17 AM +0000
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The Pro and Amateur competitions are completely separate but just happen to be on the track at the same time.
If are separated then is ok.


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 01, 2019, 05:21:50 PM +0000
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The Pro and Amateur competitions are completely separate but just happen to be on the track at the same time.
If are separated then is ok.

Agreed. 

But allowing the Ams faster cars will just mix them with the Pros more.


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Alessandro Isacchini on January 01, 2019, 08:15:10 PM +0000
Can you tell me what is your channel chat in Igor please? and how to add it
I reinstall GPL recently 'cause change O.S. and I don't remember correct configuration
thanks


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 01, 2019, 09:15:33 PM +0000
Can you tell me what is your channel chat in Igor please? and how to add it
I reinstall GPL recently 'cause change O.S. and I don't remember correct configuration
thanks


The chat room is called UKGPL and at the moment I don't think that it has a password.  It used to but last season it didn't.


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Phil Thornton on January 02, 2019, 05:59:19 PM +0000
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The Pro and Amateur competitions are completely separate but just happen to be on the track at the same time.
If are separated then is ok.
The extra tokens for the Ams is not meant to allow all the Ams to compete with all the Pros. As Clive has pointed out, Tim has proven that no amount of extra tokens would allow the slower Ams like me to compete with the fastest Pros. However a few extra tokens could help some of the faster Ams keep up with the regular Pros. They also boost the morale of some of the slower Ams who's main objective is not to get lapped too early!

The extra tokens are just a bit of fun because the Ams and Pros are separate classes within the same race. You may have noticed that all the championship tables are setup like that this season. Last season we only had the 67F1 and 65F1 set up as separate and combined championships.


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 03, 2019, 11:21:08 AM +0000
Since being forced to learn Dundrod is going to seriously detract from my enjoyment of this season, I thought that I would try to get it over and done with as soon as possible.  ;-)

I will also run my server on Dundrod when I can so that anyone else in the same boat can join me.  I think that running a practice session rather than training is helpful because the little men in red jumpers turn out to help me know where I am!

Poxy place!  Might as well have done Nurburgring, at least I know where that goes!


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: uli on January 04, 2019, 09:38:20 PM +0000
Iā€˜m in and would be glad if I find some time to race about 5 races with you this season.
looking forward


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 05, 2019, 11:37:38 AM +0000

The extra tokens are just a bit of fun because the Ams and Pros are separate classes within the same race. You may have noticed that all the championship tables are setup like that this season. Last season we only had the 67F1 and 65F1 set up as separate and combined championships.

How does that work for the Team Championship when there is one Pro and one Am in a team?


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Phil Thornton on January 05, 2019, 01:42:31 PM +0000

The extra tokens are just a bit of fun because the Ams and Pros are separate classes within the same race. You may have noticed that all the championship tables are setup like that this season. Last season we only had the 67F1 and 65F1 set up as separate and combined championships.

How does that work for the Team Championship when there is one Pro and one Am in a team?

It doesn't at the moment but I'm pretty sure I can set up a combined Team Championship. I'll have a go at setting that up tonight.


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 05, 2019, 03:28:15 PM +0000
Cheers Phil.   :thumbup1:


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Jeep on January 05, 2019, 05:17:30 PM +0000
the little men in red jumpers turn out to help me know where I am!

For me it's the men in white coats... Hate the place. Not ideal for online racing IMO. So many places you can go off and no way back without back tracking to find a gap in the shrubbery and getting a DQ due to "Reversing on Track". :(

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Phil Thornton on January 05, 2019, 06:09:59 PM +0000

The extra tokens are just a bit of fun because the Ams and Pros are separate classes within the same race. You may have noticed that all the championship tables are setup like that this season. Last season we only had the 67F1 and 65F1 set up as separate and combined championships.

How does that work for the Team Championship when there is one Pro and one Am in a team?

It doesn't at the moment but I'm pretty sure I can set up a combined Team Championship. I'll have a go at setting that up tonight.
Done.  All classes now have a "Combined Team" championship.


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Phil Thornton on January 05, 2019, 07:14:11 PM +0000
the little men in red jumpers turn out to help me know where I am!
For me it's the men in white coats... Hate the place. Not ideal for online racing IMO. So many places you can go off and no way back without back tracking to find a gap in the shrubbery and getting a DQ due to "Reversing on Track". :(
OK so if 2 drivers really don't like Dundrod, how many others are of the same opinion?  It would be a shame to not use a track that is contemporary with 1955 but I appreciate it is a difficult track to master. I might consider swapping it for Oulton Park if there is a majority in favour. I think the Oulton Park 1967 layout was first used in 1955 for the International Gold Cup (a shorter version of the track was used in 1954).  We've used it several times for other  on-line races with no problems and we should all be familiar with the track. Please let me know if you want to swap to Oulton Park or stick with Dundrod.


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Alessandro Isacchini on January 05, 2019, 08:42:18 PM +0000
I never saw Dundrod 'till today, so a'he just try a lap after I've read your posts
Sure track is not easy 'cause high speed so it's mandatory to learn it for reduce risk of kilometric off track or die against a tree, but sure is not difficult like Nurburg, the difference is that this last one is known
Can to be a opportunity for learn this track also with a little effort, and of course to make a rce where we all don't run too quickly but with the right caution, I guess the key points is not more than 3 or 4, and historically is beautiful
So I vote yes (and if we run here I will be the first one to crash into a plane tree  :laugh: :laugh:

Wait other opinion but if other drivers vote for Oulton it's ok for me of course, the champ is fantastic alike  :thumbup1:


(yes I know my english is so perfect   ;D   sorry..)


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 05, 2019, 09:28:34 PM +0000

The extra tokens are just a bit of fun because the Ams and Pros are separate classes within the same race. You may have noticed that all the championship tables are setup like that this season. Last season we only had the 67F1 and 65F1 set up as separate and combined championships.

How does that work for the Team Championship when there is one Pro and one Am in a team?

It doesn't at the moment but I'm pretty sure I can set up a combined Team Championship. I'll have a go at setting that up tonight.



Done.  All classes now have a "Combined Team" championship.

Well done Phil.

Regarding Dundrod, please don't change it on my account.  I've already spent several hours trying to learn it and on a good day I can do two full laps with the wheels still on in any given 30minutes of practice.  Not consecutive ones though!  PB now 4:26.2

Speaking as a hard up Pro with not a dollar to my name, and hence sat in a Gordini, it is going to be very hard to stay calm as all my efforts in qually are washed away before T1.  I then look forward to a miserable race stuck behind someone even more eratic than I am but in a faster car that makes passing a joke until a mistake is made.  Trouble is that the mistake will probably be mine!

However, I have sorted my car schedule for the series, as listed, and don't want to have to do that again. 

I appreciate the historical aspect but in reallity I believe that good racing comes from simple circuits.  Wide ones!    ;D

Many thanks for all your efforts!


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Jeep on January 06, 2019, 12:28:56 AM +0000
I wasn't suggesting we drop it from the schedule, just making my excuses prior to the event. ;) Like Clive I'll be taking the slug here and I'm turning in similar times at the moment. I actually managed 4 laps tonight without hitting anything. Then ambition out weighed talent and I ran out of brakes at the Hairpin. :(

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 06, 2019, 10:36:10 AM +0000
I wasn't suggesting we drop it from the schedule, just making my excuses prior to the event. ;) Like Clive I'll be taking the slug here and I'm turning in similar times at the moment. I actually managed 4 laps tonight without hitting anything. Then ambition out weighed talent and I ran out of brakes at the Hairpin. :(

TTFN
John.


LOL
Since using an expensive car to knock down a tree here is not a good investment, it may turn out to be a Gordini Spec Race.   ;D


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: EvilClive on January 06, 2019, 11:38:49 AM +0000
OOOOh!
 Do I see an opportunity for the mighty Connaught to steal all the points?  ::)

TBH I have not turned a wheel in a 55 at Dundrod as yet, and I can only remember a few 65 races at this track, so it will involve some serious practice to find the way around without brakes. Or maybe I will wait until pre race qualifying to sort things out, all this practice sounds like hard work  ::) ;)


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 06, 2019, 11:53:57 AM +0000
OOOOh!
 Do I see an opportunity for the mighty Connaught to steal all the points?  ::)



LOL  This thought had occurred to me too.

I'm not entirely convinced that the Connaught and Vanwall are correctly valued with respect to each other.  Perhaps the Vanwall should be five dollars and the Connaught ten?   ::)


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Jeep on January 13, 2019, 01:12:55 AM +0000
Do we have a final number of laps for the rounds where laps are showing ??.

Thanks in advance

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Phil Thornton on January 13, 2019, 06:43:43 PM +0000
Do we have a final number of laps for the rounds where laps are showing ??.
On my to-do list  ;)


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Cookie on January 13, 2019, 07:08:36 PM +0000
You can find it yourself if you look how many laps you do in 50min...


Title: Re: Season 34 1955 GP - Registration
Post by: Jeep on January 13, 2019, 11:45:32 PM +0000
Thanks Phil.
You can find it yourself if you look how many laps you do in 50min...

If I used my laps in 50 minutes as a benchmark the aliens would have all finished and be in the bar after about 20 minutes. ;)

TTFN
John.