SimRacing.org.uk

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Round 2 - Donington National

(https://i.postimg.cc/qvTQRxsx/alfa-gta.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Practise: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  2x20 minutes (2nd race reverse top 10)

Cars allowed:
Alfa GTA

Skinpack - https://www.dropbox.com/s/1h4q2j6dvdh33rx/Alfa_skins.rar?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/1h4q2j6dvdh33rx/Alfa_skins.rar?dl=0)
extract to here:-
C:Program Files (x86)SteamSteamAppscommonassettocorsacontentcarsks_alfa_romeo_gtaskins

Track: Donington National v1.15
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/donington-park.3031/ (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/donington-park.3031/)


Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Weather: Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: Not required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

is the server up old bean?  :) might jump on for some early recon

Yes old bean

Now now, put those canes away before you get hurt yourself.

Hi guys

new guy here looking for some fun AC races,  will it be ok to join in?

I think I've raced with one or 2 of you in the past at nogrip...


Max

Hi Max,  welcome onboard  :) always happy to have more racers, especially in the historic cars. We've had pretty good grids lately.

If you want a particular skin let me know and i can add it to the skin pack (see post 1) otherwise i will just assign one of the stock skins.
driver list and series info:-
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=15335.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=15335.0)

i would need your steam guid to add you to the driver entry file, which you can pm me (the long number begins 7656...)

Hi Mark J,
Can you add me to this championship?
I send you steam id and skin name at pm soon.
Thank you    :)

Welcome Max and Sven :)

Welcome onboard too Sven, we have a good international grid here   :)

I'm struggling a bit here, just can't get the car to feel good  :-\ I thought this would be an easier track to set the car up for than Cadwell. Will have to try a few more Spring configs. I keep getting too oversteery when dropping gear from 3rd to 4th in a couple of the quicker corners.

It's just a wrong car model IRL and Kunos bring this "legend" to AC. This car has so bad tecknology yet in 70's ..  This years has more and more better cars technology for other manufacturers... Anyway when i trying to drive it, it seems to me that i am  doing self-torture  ;) Yes, fmg, self-torture... ;)
Only high quality pilots grid is staying me here  :)  

I make some premises.
I'm quite slow with this car. I agree with Mark, I had difficulty with the choice of the springs and heights
Another premise, I'm not a fanatic of Italian cars, I often prefer the British ones (philosophy of lightness).

Having said that, I not agree, this time, with Alexey. Absolutely not.
Probably I did not understand, maybe this is it.
Alfa bad technology? What technologies are we talking about the '60s? Alfas has been the reference point as sports cars (often with 4/5 seats and 4 doors) and mid-priced.
The engines were the top as powers. The 2000 "bialbero" was a great engine, in the road model had more than 130 hp (which were not at all a few in '60s-'70s). These cars had a limited-slip differential as standard, something that many current cars haven't.

As handling is the typical one of a RWD-front engine. If you drive a BMW (with a LSD) is similar.
I link a video with an Alfa Giulia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAU-i2qf3PA

You talk about IRL. Have you ever driven a Giulia GT (even just the 1300 Junior) in real life?

Not sure they get many Alfa GTA’s in Siberia  ;D so I’m guessing Alexey hadn’t driven one  ;)

I think the 105 step fronts are great cars in real life and have thought on getting one on many occasions but they are big bucks nowadays  :(  I’m now after an Integrale if you know someone selling  :)

I did a load more laps today without improving, very frustrating  :(

The prices for the Giulias are definitely high and the 2000 are really rare. Of course the GTAs are extremely rare and crazy expensive.
Integrale? Delta Integrale? If yes, maybe I can help you.

Car handles like a Volvo Amazon with flat tyres, not like a finely tuned Italian race car.
Good fun, but not realistic at all. I will give this one a miss.

All russian cars goes from Alfas Romeo chassis ideas and still on the village-village roads or offroads .. But its not making this chassis  very good for fast race track driving..  ;)
But to drive it in AC i need 3 hours for homologation to driving style , speeds, sounds and suspention movement. Because is so difficult to drive  the baby carriage with big wheels in high speed, isn't it .  Formula bullets from 60'S is more better here, Porsche carrera RSR  too.  ;D  
Ok I am shut up. I know it's still a "legend" in peoples.   

Matt where is your fighting spirit? You give up too easy, these cars just need more seat time to get a handle on them  :) the track is wide enough for some good racing and there is always someone to race unless you fall off big style.

@fabri, yes Lancia Integrale 16v or Evo1. Seen a few nice ones for sale in Italy, whereabouts in the country are you? I’m hoping to go and see a couple in the uk next weekend but Italian ones ‘appear’ to be in better condition.

I live in Salerno.
My mechanic's workshop is the ""temple" of the Deltas. I could find something if you give me a few days time. Also I have a friend who has a Delta and maybe wants to sell it (he collects cars, buys them and then sells).
If you are interested in something truly unique, we have an Alfa GTV Turbodelta ('79).

To minimize a headache in driving this car , do full drop it , increase all stiffness to max and set front camber to 2.1 degree in left screen.
Suspention movement will not cut here anyway but the car becomes more friendly for grip style driving.  :) But the shocks will still be fully leaked  ;D

To be honest, Alfa is from 60's . I was mistaken in it ( thinked it was from 70) , sorry guys  :)
Porsche Carrera RSR 30 is next gen car in compare with.

I had a quick go last night and found myself on with Matteo.
It all started out well with us setting the cars up and working on lap times - then after about 20 or 30 minutes we found ourselves near each other on the track..

We spent 20 minutes just racing each other, these cars are hilarious here - every single corner is a passing opportunity (provided you trust your opponent) and we were swapping position multiple times per lap  ;D

Oddly I seem fastest on my Cadwell setup, I really didn't think it would suit Donny and expected to be going even softer on the rear.

Really looking forward to Weds!

i noticed you guys in the 24's now. Would be helpful to the rest of the grid if you could share some setup advice for this car here  :helpsmilie:  just to close up the grid.  :)

stiff front, soft rear? I found gearing tricky here. Still not sure if longer ratios are better or short, as downshifting often pitches me into a lurid oversteer on corner entry.

For me all stiff and low and proper gearing. I'll use 4. Just for full relacs in driving .  :laugh:  All other softer and higher are just for drift maniacs and airplane B777 lovers. I love B777 and ( yet more B747 JumboJet) and they are will be more friendly in track racing in this case, IMHO  ;D
PS. And do not forget to cut white lines and last chicane for out of 25  :D

will jump on this eve for some extra lappage....i need it  :-[

I've left is as it was for Cadwell, just lower in general.
Back end is actually fairly stiff, with an open (coast) diff - this allows you to get the back out on corner entry and under braking. That is worth nearly a second here IMO.
Down side is that you HAVE to be competent at heel & Toe plus trail braking, and you need light shoes to avoid over doing it on the exits.
I'm not using the shortest gear ratios as I think that I might actually run out of revs late in the race when low on fuel...
My power diff is still locked from Cadwell, I haven't tried opening it up yet to see what happens.

If you're getting massive oversteer on corner entry then you're either braking too hard or too late, remember that tire grip is negligible in these so engine braking is pretty damn fierce once down into 2nd. Effectively that moves your brake bias well back into the slowest corners!

Spent another half hour plugging around but simply cannot improve my time  :'( I can’t remember the last time I wasn’t able to find time with a car through several practise sessions  :( very frustrating as it’s a simple car and i like Alfa 105’s!
Oh well I’ll have more fun in the pack   :shifty:

Provisional driver list for tonight, should be dramatic heading into T1 and Craners  :o get those replay cameras ready  :)

MJ - 55 Coneja
Jeffrey - Martini Racing
Baikal - 96_colado
FMG - foxx
Manteos - #262 carrera
Fabri - no.91 Raucci
Ceolmor - 118 Team Lucian Bianchi
Stefan - 46 stock
Kai Syvertsen  #2 Porzio
Goldtop- repsol_10
L4DE- #41 Black
KDiesel - #159 lugo
Sutol - Autodelta
Matt - #10 marte
Max Veloce- #52 VDS
Sven Scott - #101 Williams

I should be ok for tonight. Had a few laps offline and as usual in AC I'm struggling to get any decent pace. For me, driving neatly = very slow laptimes while a more cavalier approach is quicker but less consistent.....should be interesting  :-\

I am going to have a go at the GTL event tonight, so won't be there if you need more spaces

I'll try to be on time for the race this evening. Let's see if I'll be able to join at least race 2 ???

Not enjoying these cars at all, will skip the rest of the season.

Absolutely unlucky races for me.
I had hig ping. In race after few laps I was hit (it could also be my fault, no idea) and it created a "carambola" that also involved Max and Matteo, innocent. The nice thing is that after a few seconds my game is crashed. Race finished.

Race 2. The ping returns to be normal. Just after the start I remember not having loaded the fuel for the race. I make a pit stop and finish last.

Well.

I'm glad you tried them long enough to share a setup. I used your Cadwell Park one again tonight and got a 5th in race 1. Could have been 4th but Alexey wouldn'd leave me alone. We had an epic battle for the last half of the race, at least, and I lost count of the number of times we swapped places. And thanks for waiting when I got a naff exit from the chicane and you tapped my back. Racing incident and I wouldn't have blamed you for carrying on.

Made a pigs ear of race 2 while running 5th again. I thought the car was going to tip, Russ Swift would have been proud of how long I had it up on 2 wheels!

I almost gave up with these during initial practice for the 1st round. Something clicked and I wasn't slowest by 2 secs and I've been enjoying them somewhat ever since  :-*

Congrats FMG and Matteo for wins, podiums for sweet biscuit!  :thumbup2:
O'main gosh what  a races it was yesterday night!   :eek:
Great battles with overall pilots at start, MarkJ,  Pete in 1st race ( it was 2 lions battle through a whole of race, chandging positions, chasing and face to face fights, Fabri , which was rising  to sky, like a holy bird, right in front of me, crazy car movement (i've slip away from curb , lost rear and restoring well but fatal for Matteo in last turn exit). Sorry for it Matt, but i was done all correct here, done full contersteering and save myself . Ask AC Alfa for: What things this great car doing in track sometimes  ::)

In 2nd race i see very big amount of lag from Kai, IMHO it was not a inet connect but may be too slow PC for sucess racing, please fix this problem, Kai, if it exist, for save our next lives. :)
Your warp in 2nd race, when you stopped in last chicane, was ruined my race completely- i've lost front tyre and can't drive a car anymore.  >:(    

1st race full onboard:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foYgvVFZYoI

2nd race warp crash onboard:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY7f07nwb5U

Alfa GTA at DonNat crazy lines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlkQs7nvu1s

This races going to my memory . Thanks guys for ! Only you still making it possible- to continue to race with this bath half filled with water  ;D May be another one race, may be...  :D

PS This 2 days i've made a brake mod for my G27, using rubber build in internal spring. It feels more like you pressing ( not moving) the brake pedal. It's more better in race, more intuitive, but need good force calibration and traning for best results. I hope  it will be more better in final:)  

look forward to checking those vids out  :)

@ Jeff, you should have stuck around for the racing, its way more fun than practise/hotlapping in these cars.

That was some amazing racing last night, enjoyed (mostly) both races for different reasons.

Qualified 6th i think after getting a new PB (finally!) and it was quite a fight to achieve as i swapped times with about 5 other drivers thoughout qually  :o
Race 1, wow, it was intense action from the start, sometimes 3 abreast down the straight or through a corner with other cars just in front or behind  :o  Any loss of momentum or sideways moment and you would be swamped left and right by several cars, i think i physically breathed in on more than one occasion through Craners  :laugh:
I went from 6th to 3rd, and almost every position between 3rd and 10th throughout the race due to the action. I wasnt best pleased later on when someone did a late Stuka-dive down the inside at the chicane which bounced me off the circuit and i lost several places  ::)
I then clawed my way back upto 7th and was just closing on 6th when i had another stupid oversteer entry at T1  :taz: which put me back into sight of Stefan and Matteo further back. I tried to keep it neat for a couple more laps but the car was oversteering at almost every corner by then with worn rear tyres and then stupidly i thought the race had finished and slowed wide to T1 only to see the white message 'leader on last lap' flash up, but by then Stefan and Matteo had zipped up and past...what a plonker :wetfish:  so despite a 3 car photo finish over the line, i finished 9th instead of 7th  >:(

Race 2, reverse grid put me 2nd place  :o but i had made a couple of essential tweaks to my car based on race 1. It was night and day different. I set off after rapid Matteo and stayed with him for about 10minutes setting continuous low 1:25's  :o  But then a scruffy T1 entry dropped me 1.6 secs back and he was gone. I continued banging in low 25's with new pb's but could see the white ghost of FMG closing inexorably on me. He caught me with 3 mins remaining but i was determined to put up a fight for 2nd place. We had a couple of great laps dicing and swapping places until he suckered me into a tight line at the chicance (i lost sight at the last moment as i had to watch the chicane entry and didnt want to spoil the race with a late contact!) and this allowed him to blast past un-opposed down the s/f straight  :taz:
So i finished a fine (but slightly disapointing!) 3rd  :)

Great fun, the races were a real hoot, especially wacky race no.1  ;D

Sorry Alexey, looks like my ISP was having a bad time last night which caused that rubberbanding on server side, I didn't notice it during the race at all and looking at the video it doesn't seem to be constant.
Not normal behaviour so I'll check into it, and sorry for the tire again  ;D

Looks like my Shader Patch setup has some sort of bug and few cars had bright lights on during the race, bit distracting.

Something weird happened last night. Both races I ran out of fuel. My fuel usage was 1.7l/lap in qually. Race 1 filled for 14 laps. Race 2 filled for 20 laps. While racing I noted that my fuel usage was down to 1l/lap, which still doesn't account for race 2.

I was not complaining for that crash, but for the Turn 1 when I was on the outside and you crashed on my car as I wasn't there. It's not the first time you do these manouvres carelessly of the other dirvers on track. And I've had enough of your behaviour on track.

See you

Race 1 was epic for the 1st 2 laps until Matteo was taken out, I held out for him regaining 2nd so I could slow and re-commence battle but sadly he never made it.
So I spent the race trying for a new PB and failing.

Race 2 was massive fun, although negotiating Kai's heavily warping car on the opening lap was almost frightening :o
From then on it was just a race to get as far up the field as fast as I could - short of a mistake I knew Matteo would be uncatchable, but really wanted the highest finish I could for in case I needed it later in the series.
I had epic fun fighting back up through the field, right up until the point I took Copse slightly too early behind Goldtop and nearly rolled the car after clipping the inside kerb - I think it was only a small miracle that I missed the back of his car when I had to suddenly turn left to save it ;D
On a similar note I think it may have been GT that I inadvertently turned across in T1 while trying to do an undercut on the car ahead, I thought I had enough room behind to slow and make that move. Luckily we both survived but sorry anyway.

The final battle with MJ was good fun, I got through twice only to make a small mistake and give him a chance to get back alongside ::)
Eventually I played on the fact I knew he'd be driving in his Rift so just hid from his mirrors on the approach to the chicanes :P
For the 2nd race running I improved on my PB in race 2 just after clearing the field, obviously damage helps these cars go faster!


Are you sure you didn't alter the fuel at the end of Race 1 and then load the setup again (having not saved it earlier) for race 2?
I've done that before after a qualifying run, when I accidentally over-wrote my Race setup with the qually one.
I was very quick for the 1st 10 minutes of the race and then ran out of tires and had to pit for fuel. Was pretty much last as a result :D

It this turn i,ve bring too much speed in, it's my bad, aggree. Was too tight for 3-wide cars here. In mid turn this car is not manageable for my non drift style, and i had no other way than exit the corner as soon as possible in target to be stalbilized,not to spin and not make fatal cars crash, which is incoming from rear. And you in final ( not i am ) comes to my rear bamper , to be honest  ;) With not fatal force. But i repeat, this was a my bad initially. And it is not reason to insult me, calling vodka drinker and so on on chat and here. If you have bad attitude to me- report an every accidents with me. But not insult.
MarkJ was wise here and passed all of us ( too aggressive fighters). It's cool.

PS. Here is a small video of this accident. I've, deep drunk vodka, fully ruined your game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FhLvZ0GN38
 

No problem mate, just take a look on your system one more time  :)

It's cool when you respect the other drivers on track not invading their space. I come to your rear bumper only in your land of dreams mate you cut the road to me because you opened the throttle too early.

Every time you say something about the accidents in which you are involved you clearly demonstrates that you understand NOTHING about a fair behaviour on track. You would have gone off the road anyway because you pushed on the throttle too early. How can I avoid a contact when we were three cars side by side and you decide to take all the track as the other drivers weren't there?
What that video from the moon would prove for you? Me hitting you? Are you really saying that mate?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gaah2kbmpvd33u8/ks_alfa_romeo_gta%40doningtonpark-national_20190130224554?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gaah2kbmpvd33u8/ks_alfa_romeo_gta%40doningtonpark-national_20190130224554?dl=0)

My Replay

So, i recommend you to stay away from me in races, no words to add  ;) Better let you know - i will never leave a free space for you. ( sarcastic ) If you still not understand things i've said earlier- read from beginning.
Yes. i am not racing god, but you  ;)  

okay boys, keep your racing spat to pm's rather than a slanging match in the race thread. Incidents happen and if you want someone punished for one then you should report it via the incident report so that a couple of us can review it independantly. :detective:
There was a fair bit of paint swapping, in a good way, but i also saw (and experienced) a couple of rougher whacks, but these cars can be a handful in the corners.

Did anyone download a replay they can share?

See Manteos' post 2 up.
If that's only partial then I have both races in full.

I can do the moderating as I'm not in the championship, but only the reported incidents.

In the meantime, I'm waiting for the lurking Comodo dragon to pop up, otherwise may I suggest somebody else with permission to edit a few words. :)

cheers Jeff, that would be useful. I can always second opinion it if needed.  :-*
Still think you should continue racing as its so different to the practise in this series. You would have a blast battling FMG and Matteo and new arrival Max Veloce seems to have great pace too. :fencing:

I assume Jeffrey is talking about some of the language used?
I would normally edit posts to take out offensive language, but this is MJ's series so it's up to
him to do stuff if he feels it is needed.

There was only word worth editing (done).

Couple of mitigating factors also here, Alexey is not a dangerous driver as proved by his race long battle with Pete A and other good close battles i have had with him. If there is contact its normally just the usual clumsy racing incident that more than a few of us suffer on occasion.
Plus, didnt i witness Matteo collecting Chris T (Sutol) later in the race? (exit of Old Hairpin) They both went off in a spinning heap in front of me. I might be totally wrong on that so excuse me if i am, but just trying to point out we can all make mistakes in the heat of battle.  :angel:

Thanks Jeff. I reported both incidents in which I was involved in the race. In both incidents I'm reffering to the timing of my replay, that is complete. From now on, I will treat my opponents with the same treatment I get by them.

Link for download. https://www.dropbox.com/s/gaah2kbmpvd33u8/ks_alfa_romeo_gta%40doningtonpark-national_20190130224554?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gaah2kbmpvd33u8/ks_alfa_romeo_gta%40doningtonpark-national_20190130224554?dl=0)

I'm sorry, but I felt it was necessary to remove the last 2 posts. They added nothing and can be done with PM's.

hey, let me read them before they are deleted at least  ;D

I can understand Matteos frustration as he had race winning pace and got hit early but people are still entitled to race you and have a go. But the flipside is i also hate first lap contacts  :P but accidents happen  :-\

1st lap wasn't Alexey, that incident was several laps later

That was a provocation by Mark to which I answered that at least, in that occasion, I WAITED. I would like my answer not be censored, especially when on topic and not offensive to anyone.

Thank you

no provocation Matteo, not my intention at all as i want you all racing. I was just trying to highlight that incidents can happen to all of us but you were being angry about it happening to you. And yes i saw that you waited for Sutol.  :)

That makes a huge difference in my opinion. Being able to understand your faults seems very difficult for someone. I always penalize myself when I crash on someone, but when I have to read that it's me hitting a car that clearly cutted my road, you should undesrtand why I'm angry, and why I used that unpolite word. I felt being trolled by Alexey, if that is his opinion.

First half of your post was that you admitted to your mistake and waited, which was fine. Second half of that post wasn't as it caused more backwards and forwards blame-game and name calling.

That's your opinion Jeff.

Censorship is never a good idea, especially in the Land of mr. John Stuart Mill.

"I always penalize myself when I crash on someone"
I am too. Did you dont know? You can ask Stefan L about last race in Cadwell, for lastest examle   ;)
So, sorry, but i must to say to you: to race in good health in future in 2 races format ( hard but skilled race format in this bath-cars) you should to be calm, friendly, initially respect each other ( peoples can make mistakes sometimes and forgot about it in hot race ( or have an other opinion in accident moment), use correct information,  not lying, not crying like a baby , not insult anybody, not creat any lobby. Just submit an accident report and wait for answer. For me all of refery desigions  in UKAC i am taking with full respect. Because i am not a TV or porn star and not Michael Shumacher. But. Please don't make any other pilot foolish here. Or leave...  Sorry for my bad english. It's my last post about this dirt and cry in clear sky.    

I don't have any pleasure to race with you on track, so take for granted that you won't find me on track anymore when you're racing.

Not my opinion, your post already caused a reaction from Alexey which was unnecessary name calling and blaming about an incident, which is not allowed on the forum:

Under no circumstances should drivers engage in discussion of incidents in a public forum (including in-game chat). In particular, no attempt should be made to apportion blame.
A brief mention of an incident may be made in a public race report.

*Edited*

Do this in PM's between each other, NOT on the public forum.

And our forum rules were presented when you joined SROUK

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening etc, etc