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Title: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on January 24, 2019, 01:23:47 PM +0000
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xTqwzsMZ/Lotus-evora-a1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Championship Table:-
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=670&theme=4 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=670&theme=4)

Practise: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  40 minutes

Cars allowed:
Lotus Evora GTC
Skinpack here:-https://www.dropbox.com/s/8tm6phj6e1vvd2d/skins.rar?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/8tm6phj6e1vvd2d/skins.rar?dl=0)
Extract to your folder   C:Program Files (x86)SteamSteamAppscommonassettocorsacontentcarslotus_evora_gtcskins  

plus Max's skin:-  https://www.dropbox.com/s/amm2z9vgabtd40q/114_bbr_sbb.rar?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/amm2z9vgabtd40q/114_bbr_sbb.rar?dl=0)

Track: RedBull Ring - Austria

Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Weather: mid clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: normal

Laptimes:-
stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1)PLP App - Not used in this event. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.
(2)Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) Door rubbing is acceptable, blatant punting is not !  Expect to receive a penalty if caught or reported.
(4) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect this.

(https://s9.postimg.org/nq7lt95mn/acs_2018-01-24_18-38-03-80.png)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Circuit_A1_Ring.png)[/quote][/quote]


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: FullMetalGasket on January 24, 2019, 05:06:05 PM +0000
Should this actually be connecting to Zeltweg in the race header? Didn't the red bull deal come in at the time of some renovations, effectively making it a different circuit?
Or am I imagining it!?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on January 24, 2019, 05:22:42 PM +0000
Should this actually be connecting to Zeltweg in the race header? Didn't the red bull deal come in at the time of some renovations, effectively making it a different circuit?
Or am I imagining it!?

not sure, DG set it up in LM2.  Its ex A1-Ring now Redbull Ring as far as i know. I dont think its called Zeltweg anymore  :-\


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: FullMetalGasket on January 24, 2019, 05:23:54 PM +0000
Think it was Zeltweg in the 60's last - not suggesting anything about ages or owt ;)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 02, 2019, 12:51:08 PM +0000
damn, if I had known this weekend was the Bathurst 12hrs I would have made this weeks round the Bathurst special  :'( too late now. I think the cars will be pretty cool on this Austrian track anyway  8)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Baikal on February 02, 2019, 01:03:11 PM +0000
Hi guys   :)
If any wants to clear the windshield or glareshield for better view from cockpit, paste this 2 files to skin folder of car you using. You can use both files or only one by choice. Have fun!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6znb2zjiulzeygh/Transparent%20glare%20chield%20and%20washed%20windshield%20for%20LotusEvoraGTC.rar?dl=0


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 02, 2019, 02:03:27 PM +0000
damn, if I had known this weekend was the Bathurst 12hrs I would have made this weeks round the Bathurst special  :'( too late now. I think the cars will be pretty cool on this Austrian track anyway  8)

Austrian, Australian - what's the difference?  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 02, 2019, 02:27:45 PM +0000
I was right, this is a great combo  8) just been spanking around the track, the car suits It perfectly but takes a few laps to get enough heat into the tyres.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Jeffrey on February 02, 2019, 03:31:11 PM +0000
Another one I have to miss due to work.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: MaxVeloce on February 03, 2019, 12:28:05 PM +0000
I'm up for trying the Evoras too if there's room on the grid  (IDK how many server spaces you have?)  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 03, 2019, 01:16:22 PM +0000
You are welcome to join the series Max, more the merrier  :)
Let me know a skin if wanted and I can add you to the driver list .


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: MaxVeloce on February 03, 2019, 08:38:56 PM +0000
I never really bothered with custom skins before, so I dont have anything particular in mind right now.  That said, I can see you guys like the custom skin thing so I will have a think about it if I'm doing more races  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 04, 2019, 10:04:28 AM +0000
Its no biggie, i can just assign you one if you are not fussed.

Round1 had 19 cars lined up on the grid with mostly real world race paintjobs and looked superb  8) so i try and encourage people to choose a decent skin but some really aren't bothered whilst the petrol heads like me love 'em :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: MaxVeloce on February 04, 2019, 01:39:58 PM +0000
Well I get why you like them, so I'd choose #416  from this set https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/lotus-evora-gtc-gtsbbc-bierbuden-de-pack.19560/ 


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 04, 2019, 07:14:12 PM +0000
Max's skin link added to post 1.  :)

Just extract to your C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\assettocorsa\content\cars\lotus_evora_gtc\skins folder


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 05, 2019, 03:17:56 PM +0000
b'ah for a few days you are top of the timesheets then next thing you drop 4 places by other usurpers  ::) :gun_bandana:

nice pace, i'll have to jump back on tonight and up my game again  :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Baikal on February 05, 2019, 04:52:31 PM +0000
b'ah
Be ready for out of 31 from more faster guys  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Manteos on February 05, 2019, 09:31:47 PM +0000
I'll try to back home in time for the race, but it's 99% sure I won't make it  :-\. In that case, have fun


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 06, 2019, 08:53:59 AM +0000
stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

let me just bask in that glory for a day  :laugh:  i'll probably spin off or get hit on lap 1 anyway  ;D

This car is so like my Cayman R on track that i felt instantly at one with it since the first round at Brands  8)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on February 06, 2019, 08:58:21 AM +0000
Good job MJ. Bloody fast, are you running the same lay-out as us?  ;)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: MaxVeloce on February 06, 2019, 10:05:09 AM +0000
a lot of close times there, it should make for an interesting race  8)

I notice a few are using soft for the fast laps,  do you think those will go a full race without eating themselves or is it qually only?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Baikal on February 06, 2019, 11:15:44 AM +0000
a lot of close times there, it should make for an interesting race  8)

I notice a few are using soft for the fast laps,  do you think those will go a full race without eating themselves or is it qually only?

Good question! Need test softs for race here. :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 06, 2019, 11:44:41 AM +0000
I'm not expecting softs to be able to last a race distance tbh.  I very rarely practise with them but these other show-boaters are always setting fast times on stracker so i thought i'd try them out and grab some glory  ;D

I guess if you are an uber-smooth driver you might get them to last, but any lurid slides or oversteer will soon toast them.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Jeffrey on February 06, 2019, 12:27:26 PM +0000
I used hards for race 1, but that was with higher temps, so I reckon they won't be useful here.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: spanner on February 06, 2019, 01:07:39 PM +0000
After trying out setup changes around Brands Hatch i'm wary of trying anything  but to be 4 secs off is a bit depressing


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 06, 2019, 02:19:42 PM +0000
After trying out setup changes around Brands Hatch i'm wary of trying anything  but to be 4 secs off is a bit depressing

according to stracker you have only done 3 laps practise! anyone would be 4 secs off with so little track time. :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 06, 2019, 05:27:22 PM +0000
This car is so like my Cayman R on track that i felt instantly at one with it since the first round at Brands  8)

If you ever do a trackday at Combe please let me know - I'd love to have a really good poke around A Cayman R :yes:

My times not great here, but I'm not a massive fan of the track - way too stoppy/starty for me..


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 06, 2019, 07:01:25 PM +0000
Driver List:-

MJ - Battery_Tender Skin
Jeffrey (TBC) - Marc VDS_mustang MIA
FMG - Team_Penske_Miller_Lite car (White)
Spanner - Marc VDS Silver & yellow
Baikal - phantom_black
Manteos - bull_run
Stefan - BiArt #15 (gold) skin
Nfsw - JetAlliance_11065IL_Spa  #65
Sutol - JVC
Shark - gtc_Keyloggs
Bob - Quartz_Silver Recuperating
Goldtop - Motorsport_Green_Cosworth
SRW - Playseat_fanatec
Picnic - JPS
Jaari (L4DE) - Berk Technology
Kdiesel - BiART #07
Ceolmor - Gulf
Max Veloce - #114_bbr


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: goldtop on February 06, 2019, 07:10:01 PM +0000
I'm not around for this one, have fun.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Baikal on February 07, 2019, 12:17:52 AM +0000
Racing engineer said to me: "If you wants a good risky fight- use softs, but try to be stable!"  :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-SZ9H6WwYA

I guess if you are an uber-smooth driver you might get them to last, but any lurid slides or oversteer will soon toast them.
:punk: I am like a big boss today  8). But full metall gasket drifter is still bigger  ;D

Max, it was so dramatic race, especially at last laps! Thanks for the battle!   :fencing:
Mark, so sorry about your 1st turn, "shit happens" , but don't give up!  :)
NFSW55 omg....


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 07, 2019, 09:08:08 AM +0000
B'ah that didnt go to plan. Always happens at a track i have good pace on  ::)

Dont know why but took me quite a few laps to get into the groove last night whereas tuesday night in practise i was banging in low 31's for fun. Took me late into qually to find that groove but still only managed 4th? albeit by mere tenths.

Race: Got a decent start and headed up to turn 1 on the inside line trying to watch the cars ahead as well as those attacking my rear. But as we entered the corner the green car on my 11 o'clock appeared to cut across me whereas i had been expecting it to take the wider entry (assuming it knew i was there). We just bounced off each other but with the cold tyres it span me inboard, where i was then hit by several other cars charging through.  :'( Not blaming anyone, think it was just several cars arriving at a tight right and i was unlucky getting spun.
Anyway, i was now back of the grid and already 18 seconds behind the front few who's pace i was on. I was gutted as i should have had a race long fight with the top 4  :'(
I lost a lot of time trying to fight my way back up as it was quite hard to get past a few cars here though meant i saw a good bit of racing. I think the car had damage as i struggled to catch cars on the straights. Highest i could hope for was 5th as the front 4 now had 21 secs advantage but there was a gap back to shark in 5th.
I finally caught Shark late in the race in his snazzy skin car and he put up a good chase for several laps until i got past. I then wanted to take it a bit easier as i was borderline on fuel but he was his usual relentless self for a few more laps until he faded back.
I crossed the line with 0.6L onboard  :o  so lucky as i guessed the fuel on the grid in a panic at the last second!

Well done to FMG who upped his pace again, and the podium winners  8)

Only sad point is attendance has dropped right off. We;'ve gone from 19 to 11 in only 3 rounds  :'(  I think these cars are great fun and on a good selection of tracks, so dont get it. :surrender:  

Oulton Park next Lotus Round !  :fencing:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: MaxVeloce on February 07, 2019, 09:47:40 AM +0000
Max, it was so dramatic race, especially at last laps! Thanks for the battle!   :fencing:
Yeh, was good clean fun...  slightly annoyed at myself for giving you the position back after doing the hard work  ;)


Dont know why but took me quite a few laps to get into the groove last night whereas tuesday night in practise i was banging in low 31's for fun.
ditto,  didn't match my practice pace in qually and my race setup went from ok to too much understeer...   oh well


Only sad point is attendance has dropped right off. We;'ve gone from 19 to 11 in only 3 rounds  :'(  I think these cars are great fun and on a good selection of tracks, so dont get it. :surrender:
I'm gonna go with it being the car.  It is fun, but as a friend said to me "it has a narrow window" and he didn't mean the windscreen.  Grip grip grip - WOAH we're exiting the track in reverse  :o



looking forward to Oulton  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Jeffrey on February 07, 2019, 10:51:25 AM +0000
I'm gonna go with it being the car.  It is fun, but as a friend said to me "it has a narrow window" and he didn't mean the windscreen.  Grip grip grip - WOAH we're exiting the track in reverse  :o

Exactly this, it has the MC12 syndrome and we all know how that ended  :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 07, 2019, 11:01:25 AM +0000
no way this feels like the MC12, that was a dog of a car in AC.  I dont find the Evora anywhere near as edgy and feel you can really push in it. Must be a setup thing.  I find i can race really closely with another car most of the time too. Mid-engine sports cars like the Evora or Cayman do have a reputation for great handling and can be pushed to a limit but when they go they really spin and hard to recover it.
The medium tyres aren't the best on a light car and its hard to get enough heat in them for a whole lap, hence the understeer at some corners, but on the whole i find these cars nice and pointy.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 07, 2019, 11:13:19 AM +0000
Race: Got a decent start and headed up to turn 1 on the inside line trying to watch the cars ahead as well as those attacking my rear. But as we entered the corner the green car on my 11 o'clock appeared to cut across me whereas i had been expecting it to take the wider entry (assuming it knew i was there).

On my client replay you missed the apex by over a meter  :P the other car would have probably missed you otherwise.
Of course I can't be sure how accurate my replay is for your car..

My own race was essentially luck. Jeff wasn't here and Manteos is obviously enjoying these about as much as I am - these cars are about as much fun as being hit by a kipper.
NSFW had good pace but was held up by a bad start and a fight with Max.
We maintained a 2-4 second gap until he span 4 minutes before the end, it was talking all of my concentration to manage the gap so things really weren't easy at the front!

Looking forward to Oulton as that might coax something resembling fun from the Evora..


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Baikal on February 07, 2019, 11:19:54 AM +0000
I'm gonna go with it being the car.  It is fun, but as a friend said to me "it has a narrow window" and he didn't mean the windscreen.  Grip grip grip - WOAH we're exiting the track in reverse  :o

Exactly this, it has the MC12 syndrome and we all know how that ended  :P
Absolutely different cars. Evora GTC feels like modern f1 car , MC12 like a jelly.
Our 2 cars ( Alfa GTA and Evora GTC) is diametery opposite cars and need some time to switch between eachother. Laps 30\50\100. To love each again  :) This is not case of "relacs in race after work day in 3 laps official practice"  ;)
Evoras calendar is so beautifull and i hope guys will see it and will try to feel this in champ.  


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 07, 2019, 11:52:01 AM +0000
I dont get the negative feedback for this car, its got sublime handling and good pace. ??? You lot want it all on a plate, you moan if its a mod car, moan if its a kunos car  ::) 
I tested this car at countless tracks with a full grid to make sure it felt good to race and could race in a pack! The top 4 were separated by mere tenths, which would have been top 6 within 8/10ths with Jeff and normally Matteo. The only guys well off the pace were those who did little or no practise.
Even when i manage to attract 20 racers for a series its usually only about a regular 10 of us who make the effort to practise and make a race of it every week. Sad but true.  :(

Anyway, Oulton should keep the cars close and racey and everyone knows the circuit well.  :)  Guess i'll scrap the idea of making Bathurst and Spa longer race specials  :-\


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 07, 2019, 12:40:00 PM +0000
You know why I don't, it doesn't move around - it just spins!
Typical modern Gt, Driver aid settings determine speed. I like stuff you can fight with  :)
(plus these also sound pants)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 07, 2019, 01:10:36 PM +0000
You know why I don't, it doesn't move around - it just spins!
Typical modern Gt, Driver aid settings determine speed. I like stuff you can fight with  :)
(plus these also sound pants)

Ha, you are preaching to the converted!  :P i always err towards historic racing where the cars move around and fight you  ;D  but also have to say i really enjoy racing the modern stuff on the ragged edge. We've had some mega racing using gt3, porsche-cup and the more recent TCR's. Plus as we know, its hard to attract more racers to the historics series.  :'(

Agree on the kunos engine sound for the Evora though! one of the first things i did was look for a sound mod from Fonsecker but he hadnt done one, nor anyone else. It needs to sound more raw and more gearbox/diff whine....like all good race cars  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Baikal on February 07, 2019, 01:18:54 PM +0000
If you wants other sound, use Content Manager and you will be abl to change any car sound by any car sound pressing 2 buttons. Did you guys tryed it? ( i am nearly satisfied by orig evora sound may be just used to )
Mark, how can i see both series overall pilots table of races results? No links in 1st post in both.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: picnic on February 07, 2019, 01:24:11 PM +0000
Links to the table are available all over the place; look top right where there is a column called series, click on the A14LE series ID. At the top of each page of posts (just above where the results are) it shows the event date, track and the series name. Each are clickable, again the last one shows the table.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Baikal on February 07, 2019, 01:32:39 PM +0000
Links to the table are available all over the place; look top right where there is a column called series, click on the A14LE series ID. At the top of each page of posts (just above where the results are) it shows the event date, track and the series name. Each are clickable, again the last one shows the table.

Ahh thanks Pete! i always forgot about it!  :)
I just remembering the time where this info was in 1st post ( very useful for new members like me )  :D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 07, 2019, 02:33:51 PM +0000
yes should be in the race announcement really but it has dropped off at some point.

Championship Table:-
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=670&theme=4 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=670&theme=4)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: nfsw55 on February 07, 2019, 03:54:55 PM +0000


Race: Got a decent start and headed up to turn 1 on the inside line trying to watch the cars ahead as well as those attacking my rear. But as we entered the corner the green car on my 11 o'clock appeared to cut across me whereas i had been expecting it to take the wider entry (assuming it knew i was there).


That was probably me. I left you plenty of room on the inside. Still sorry, that your race went that way.

FMG already summed up my race pretty well ;D We nearly had the exact same pace, I pushed every lap, but the 4 seconds gap from lap one was still a 2 seconds gap towards the end. Then I pushed just a bit too much and spun once again (this is really following me in this series :D )  I wasn't too frustrated after that, because catching FMG in the last two laps was kinda unrealistic.
When I realized that I also lost P2 und P3, it was rather tragic ;D


You know why I don't, it doesn't move around - it just spins!
Typical modern Gt, Driver aid settings determine speed. I like stuff you can fight with  :)
(plus these also sound pants)

Exactly this.
Still a love-hate relationship for me with this car, most of the time it feels quite good and at Mugello and Spielberg it was quite fun to drive until a certain point where everything goes crazy


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on February 07, 2019, 03:56:44 PM +0000
Racing engineer said to me: "If you wants a good risky fight- use softs, but try to be stable!"  :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-SZ9H6WwYA


Thoroughly enjoyed watching the video, wish I could drive fast cars like that.

But can I ask, If members do post on You Tube etc, can Simracing.org.uk get a little mention please  :notworthy:

Thank you.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Baikal on February 07, 2019, 11:49:31 PM +0000
Racing engineer said to me: "If you wants a good risky fight- use softs, but try to be stable!"  :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-SZ9H6WwYA


Thoroughly enjoyed watching the video, wish I could drive fast cars like that.

But can I ask, If members do post on You Tube etc, can Simracing.org.uk get a little mention please  :notworthy:

Thank you.

Glad to hear this, Tony!  Usually, when i public my vids ( not for own glory or PR, for memory only and for my friends), i mentioned UKAC sign, but from now on i will change it to Simracing.org.uk , It will be big  credit for me  :)

 


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Manteos on February 08, 2019, 12:17:52 AM +0000
I totally agree with fmg, and in this period I'm totally bored by modern cars on AC. I must say that RaceRoom feelings on modern cars is a lot better than AC, especially for what regards the FFB effects, once Riccardo did me some advice a week ago :o. But I don't want to start any polemics on which is better than the other, cause it's a matter of feelings and of taste, and especially of fun.

Evenmore tyre model for this car is one of the worse of AC IMO. I didn't even need a spin to decide that I won't have another single lap on this car anymore in my life. A couple of rear losses at mid corner in two subsequent lap at the same point made that 'magic' happen instantly. It feels like a jelly this thing. I don't have any other particular issue, but even training with this car was becoming a "mission". I must have fun when I decide to train for a race, and for this race I did maybe 20 laps before the start, because I don't like it all.

I will do the next race with the Alfa GTA anyway, cause I promised it to fmg and it's a matter of respect to all of you.

But I'll never drive again a Evora. Never again! ;)

See you



Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 08, 2019, 10:19:37 AM +0000
i'm sure a lot of this 'feel' for certain cars must be a controller issue. I've got quite high end Fanatec stuff and i found RaceRoom terrible with no feedback from the tyres and floaty steering, no matter what i tried. All the cars felt the same to me which made me think it had made-up physics.  I havent touched it in months since, whereas i know Goldtop reported similar lack of feel from AC and yet i get really good feedback from the tyres and chassis in it for most cars.  :-\

Would you all rather see out the series in Cayman GT4's then?  ;)

ps glad to hear you will continue with the Alfa's Matteo.  We need flamboyant Italians driving them!  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: picnic on February 08, 2019, 10:39:02 AM +0000
I have a Fanatec setup too but prefer the FFB in RRE over AC. I get little enough time to practice for races so spending time on configuring the controller for whatever game/car is something that's not happening.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: MaxVeloce on February 08, 2019, 11:58:26 AM +0000
I'm staring to wish I never mentioned it being the car, I didn't want to mess up your race series  :(

The car itself is ok, as others have said its the particular tyre on it that has a very low tolerance for slip, leading to quite sudden spins if you overload it too far.  Maybe thats exacerbated by some peoples driving styles.  FMG said he prefers the historic cars and I totally get why, I also prefer the historic type cars in AC just because you can drive by feel and sliding them isn't an issue.  Some cars in AC just have a tyre which doesn't really allow that and you have to drive by numbers just like in iRacing (tin of worms fully opened LOL).  Sadly it wasn't always that way,  earlier tyre models allowed you to be more agressive but the final one we have now just wont allow that style of driving on some cars. GT3s are another good example, overdo it with a slide and the tyre just overheats like crazy and you spend half a lap taking it easy to bring the temp back down before you can get back to full speed.

AC remains my go to sim though, the car behaviour is in general the most realistic.



Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Manteos on February 08, 2019, 12:17:27 PM +0000
I have a Fanatec setup too but prefer the FFB in RRE over AC. I get little enough time to practice for races so spending time on configuring the controller for whatever game/car is something that's not happening.

I guess that when you're driving sitting on a chair with no feelings at all under you, the only way to have better feelings with a sim is to set the ffb in a proper way. When I started to play AC in late 2016, I had very bad feelings by my G29, but after some googling I found this useful guide on Race Department that improved a lot my ffb https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/rasmusps-lut-guide-for-g27-29-and-dfgt.16799/

Until 10 days ago I was playing RRE with very wrong settings on braking and steering sensibilty. After Riccardo Gengotti told me that 90% precision was an absurd setting I put the precision at 50% and it became a completely different game.

That is just to say that ffb settings matters if you want to have fun with a Sim, and once you've found the right settings, they will be good for every car. It may even change your mind about the sim in certain cases.

In this case is the car that is bugged in some way. This car tends always to flip. It feels very unstable at the apex, and the range of temps to heat up the tyres properly is too narrow. They tends to go from overheating to ice, and from ice to overheating in a matters of milliseconds. Seems like you have always some sort of soap under your tyres. No thanks.



Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Baikal on February 08, 2019, 12:21:25 PM +0000
I know a small secret of Evora , which is allow me better ( more calm) and more useful car behaveur. Use less nagative camber in both axes compared to default ( too extreme) setup. As i remember i use -2.1 degree in front and -0.3 degree in rear tyres in left side setup screen. Maybe it can help to any guy who dont like this car using default set. I have this investigated data after setup turning using telemetry, analizing  and my own metod of AC camber measuring ( Not CamberExtravaganza app method). Still top secret and continues to improve it in app)  ;)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 14 Lotus Evora GTC Cup Round 3 - Zeltweg - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 08, 2019, 04:37:14 PM +0000
i run less camber than default too and i dont find the car as edgy as others report.

Regarding FFB, i found it way too strong when i first got the fanatec gear and struggled for a couple of races. As soon as i dialled it back to about 70% it was a massive improvement and way more realistic compared to my real track driving.  :)