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Round 3 - Goodwood

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Championship Table :- https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=669&theme=4 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=669&theme=4)

Practise: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  2x20 minutes (2nd race reverse top 10)

Cars allowed:
Alfa GTA

Skinpack - https://www.dropbox.com/s/1h4q2j6dvdh33rx/Alfa_skins.rar?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/1h4q2j6dvdh33rx/Alfa_skins.rar?dl=0)
extract to here:-
C:Program Files (x86)SteamSteamAppscommonassettocorsacontentcarsks_alfa_romeo_gtaskins

Track: Goodwood (link to follow)
Goodwood (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/goodwood-circuit.17228/)

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Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Weather: Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: Not required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

Ps Goodwood is the same version as we used last time so if you raced then, you don’t need to re download.  :)

goodwood is such a fun track in historic cars  8)

I really need to get there for a real trackday  :o

I've driven it in my old 911, great circuit and so suited for older cars drifting through some of those turns  8)  They did a fab job on this track conversion too, great attention to detail  :notworthy:

FMG, please , a reference lap  :)
I see this track very first time , it looks good for this car, imho.  ;)
Can i begin a fast Q lap , cutting last chicane in warmup lap?  ;D

That is a reference lap!
If you can go faster in reverse then you win  ;)

I asking about your reference lap, fmg...  ;)
My lap on server  is for begginers..
omg my eng... ;D

this track and car is sooo going to suit mr drift king FMG  ;D watch some 'goodwood revival' laps on YouTube for inspiration Alexey  :) There are quite a few onboard vids to help you learn the circuit (famous for historic racing in the UK).

If you didn't yet I invite you to watch the last episode of the Grand Tour. In the last 15 minutes there's a tribute to the one considered probably the best driver in history of motorsports: Mr. Jim Clark.
What an amazing driver he was in everything he drove! There are some amazing footages to see, especially that three wheel drive with Lotus Cortina. Simply amazing!

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No server available this moment?

Sorry, seems it got stopped (probably for last night's race). I've just restarted it.

No problem , Pete  :)
Thanks , it working now and ready to see new lap records!  :)

i quite expected to see someone in the 32's by now  :alien: quite pleased to be still only 5/10ths off the top time considering i dont feel like i've put a really good lap in yet.  :-\   FMG must be practising offline  ;)

Will watch some onboard footage later for inspiration and hopefully get some laps in tonight.  :)

Regarding Jim Clark, i remember watching footage of him 3-wheeling at Crystal Palace and Brands Hatch back in our early P&G Days and was amazed at his car control. 8)

Look at this, guys  :o 1.32.2.  ( 1.32.2)  :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvD_jI8zRE0

Pfft,  I dream of a front end like that.  All I'm getting right now is huge understeer, just like donington  :-[

Honestly I'm just confused,  I once had some nice setups for this car and front end was never an issue but now it just doesnt want to play. I tried so many things in the setup and I'm getting nowhere  tumbleweed

yeah know what you mean. I was getting very frustrated at Donington because i just wasnt improving my times despite putting the laps in for practise. I made some small changes for race 2 that transformed the car but i cant remember what i changed in the heat of the action  :wetfish: Similarly i am struggling to improve here. :-\

IMHO you should practice in online server. It's brings to me very different car feel. I've lost 50 laps of my own local server practice  due this strange things. This combo should have a many laps of practice in UKAC server to see the differencies of each your car setups values.
  

Yeh you are probbaly right,  I noticed the same with the Evora race last time, my practice setup was good but come race time the balance had changed :-(   I will try and run some on the practice server tonight or tomorrow.

I was practicing online though (with settings I believe mimic the race server). Usually at the weekend I get together with a couple of buddies and we have an extended practice session in random car/track combos just for fun.  A few years back we used to run in some organized races but its been a while...

nice to see FMG step in and royally spank us all with a 32.6  :o  ;D  somebody let his tyres down on the grid  ;)

Provisional drivers list for tonight, but as only 6 of us have bothered doing any online practise i am not too hopeful on grid size  :'(

MJ - 55 Coneja
Jeffrey - Martini Racing retired
Baikal - 96_colado
FMG - foxx
Picnic - #22 Lavezzi
Manteos - #262 carrera
Fabri - no.91 Raucci
Ceolmor - 118 Team Lucian Bianchi
Stefan - 46 stock
Kai Syvertsen  #2 Porzio
Goldtop- repsol_10
L4DE- #41 Black
KDiesel - #159 lugo
Sutol - Autodelta
Matt - #10 marte
Max Veloce- #52_VDS
Sven Scott - #101 Williams

You missed me off the list  :'( I'll get to see the track tonight, hopefully I'll recognise it from the last time I raced here however long ago that was. Who needs more than 45 mins practice  :jumpjoy:

I am out tonight, but if I get back in time I will probably be doing the GTL events this evening.

Sorry Picnic if a buggered your race 2 just before the entry to the chicane. Had a senior moment but it doesn't forgive any unsafe rejoining!! Stewards please judge accordingly.

Sorry guys that I didn't stop around and chat after the race, was slightly miffed it all went to  :censored:.  Practice and qually were good, all running well then almost immediately in the first lap of race 1 I had horrible stutters and frame drops just totally randomly almost every lap  >:(  I have no idea why, as I've not had that happen before and havn't changed any settings before todays races...

anyway,

Congrats to FMG on 2 wins  :)   There were times in race 2 it almost ran ok and we had a good close run for a few laps , then it all went to :censored: again in the last few laps :taz:

LOL - I saw you having problems and that distracted me such that I slid in to you. I felt guilty as I should have been able to avoid you, hence waiting.

I had a real problem at the start of race 2 as I wondered if the UI allowed me to see what my lap time was in race 1 but I lost my yellow dot the Rift display uses to select anything. I tried changing views, alt-tabbing to another program and resetting the Rift centre all without much luck. I could see the yellow dot but it refused to move. Then with a few secs left it moved so I tried to hit the drive button but I got dumped in the pits and told nothing would work for 15 secs :( Still at least it meant I didn't get turned around in T1 again  ::)

Quafied 3rd and was happy with my own lap record. :)
In 1st race i've just tryed to stay stable and finished in good 4 pos.  :yes: Two times i saw how MJ was mistaken in front of me ( I know- he wanted to win over me ) but no way here. I won!  :P  ;D
2nd race was as always like a blast! But i must to say very sorry , Jari , for our accident in 3rs lap.  :surrender:
My all attention was watched the fight between Max and FMG in , as Max swept across the grass in front of me, after him I grabbed a curb and all the attention was there ( in front guys maneuring and what these positioning will be after all) , the car was slightly led to the right, where you were rapidly approaching, although there was no intersection of the machines. I turned to the left at the very last moment , but it was too late, you went into the grass, I drove on. Only by repeating everything was considered in detail and what a pilot  it was...  :-[ I apologize again and you can safely protest, I will humbly accept the punishment.  :yes:
After that  i had a defend battle with Mark, i was slightly in turtle tactic here, not riski in turns so much, because i dont like drift , needed in some turns, but i cant do it due my setup and style. I hope i was not so agressive and defend from Mark attacks, but sometimes i heard, how he  gnashing his teeth  :laugh: Was fun, thanks for great battle, Mark! I present to you another one photifinish  :laugh:  :D

Full 2nd race onboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wufr718V2z0

Great track, great combo!  See you all in next rounds!  :punk:
PS. Paddles i am using will always loose in compare to good pilots H-Shifter. Especially in hi gears in straights. I agree with it.  :)
PPS. FMG as allways top notch work! Very impressed how are you so clear in driving so dangerous drift with other pilots!  Congratulation for win's! Hats off in the deepest respect :thumbup2:

well that was another cracking pair of races  :) plenty of action, overtakes and close racing  8)

Despite setting some new pb's i couldnt crack the top 3 who seemed to up their own pace once again but was happy enough to be in the top 6.
Race 1 i had the chance of a top 4 place as i found myself keeping up with Matteo ahead whilst fmg and Max duked it out up front. I kept that for about 10minutes until i had a big oversteer at Woodcote which dropped me back into the clutches of Alexey. I then stupidly dropped a gear mid turn of Madgwick that threw me into a spin and gifted 4th to Alexey  :taz:
I attacked him throughout the race but finished 5th.

2nd race was another crazy multi car battle with Alfas jinking all over the place finding spaces and attacking others, it looked spectacular!  8) I had a serious fish tail moment at Lavant that several cars did very well to avoid  :o but it slowed me enough to drop me towards the rear of the grid. But i had good pace and fought my way back up through the pack  :fencing: until i re-caught close rival Alexey. We dueled for the rest of the race and although i was quicker in most parts of the track, he placed his car defencively but cleanly enough to stop me getting past...every lap!! I even gave him some rear bumper nudges to encourage him but he wouldn't concede  ;D
Towards the end we passed a recovering Kai so gained an unexpected late place to finish 6th, disapointing considering my capable laptimes.  :(
So Alexey won 2-0 but with another photo finish  :P
Well done to the flying FMG and Max and podium runners  :notworthy:

Yes Mark, yours power bump on straight was so refined and sophisticated! So intuitive!  ;D . I was enjoyed it and smiled broadly this moment , answering by lights  :D

For all those that spun at St Mary's, here is my real life version, luckily I escaped, but I still can't see what I did wrong.

https://youtu.be/e9bKbsaTVPE

I think whoever was sat in the back with the party blower/horn
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/party-blower-picture-id185298506?s=170667a&w=1007)
moved mid turn and messed up the weight distribution :laugh:



j/k about the sound..  nice track toy  8)

Which GPU you have? I Have ATI Radeon and the software currently (even in past sometimes) gives me problems.

yes the noise from the S/C is an acquired taste! I have probably driven 200+ laps around G/W and compared laps and all identical. Was pushing hard though to try and catch a Cayman GT4.

Wow, what a great move at 3:23!11!!!1!! Impressive!!11!!!

And what a talented driver at 4:05!!!1!!!!1 Great move there mate!1!1 You killed him!1!!! He is still trying to find the way to come back on track!!!11!! What a great fun to race with you!!111 :-* :-*

Thanks to you I decided that I won't join any more races with Assetto Corsa on SROUK.

My congrats on fmg and Max Veloce, both way too fast than me yesterday. Unfortunately I would have tried to make you sweat a bit in race 2, but this great champion spoiled my race even yesterday. So I had no fun at all.

You jammie bugger! Soo close to removing your nose!

What's that in? Looks vaguely Elise'y?
If so my moneys on not enough throttle over the bump given it's MR, therefore not as much weight over the rear as you had possibly on previous laps.

Big congrats to Max on his pole lap, my car was suffering as the server was lower grip in practice and qually compared to my server laps before the race.
Luckily the race itself seemed to be hotter/grippier so my car came back to me (0.3 secs faster in the race :o ), as I got lucky on the start and Matteo then hassled Max for a bit it was relatively easy to pull a small gap and manage it. I actually think the car felt nicer in R1 than it had when practicing so I had a ball ;D

Race 2 went well, I had masses of fun battling up through the pack - with Max generally snapping at my heels and harrasing me.
I had to laugh on lap 2 or 3 when I caught Matteo and Fabri as they both got caught out by the driver in front having some sort of moment in T1 (I think I tapped Matteo as a result - sorry), we then all split like the parting of the red sea around who-ever the other car was.
Once clear I looked right to see Matteo - as expected - and then the blue car of Alexy on his right through the windows. Bugger! I knew 2 wide through Fordwater was possible, but 3 would be daft.
Being daft I decided to play chicken and see if any one else lifted first.... They didn't, so I ended up grass tracking around the outside of the corner, perfectly positioned to see Matteo also run out of track ( I guess I had been on the bit he needed to take the corner without lifting ) and go for a massive drift just in front of me ;D

I got clear of both after the incident at the Chicane, which I hadn't seen clearly at the time - and found myself in an epic battle with Max until I eventually caught back up with Fabri. My first passing attempt failed and put me back in Max's hands, I got lucky on my second as Fabri made a mistake just as I caught him - which pretty much forced him to let me through..

After that I reckoned I had about an 80% chance of catching Kai, as I was gaining at a rate of about a second a lap - passing would of course be another issue.... Then he braked too hard while turning into the Chicane and ended up nose first in the wall, giving me a free kick into 1st.

Those races were an absolute hoot in these cars, a shame that Matteo seemed down on his normal pace last night - although the weird bump into the Chicane didn't help our traditional battle.

Matteo - I'd much rather you used the reporting function than just quit. It does work when people use it. UKGPL is living proof of how effective the system can be when implemented and used properly. To be fair the incident in the chicane is weird rather than dodgy anyway, the only real big problem is that Alexy effectively performed a bump and run when he didn't then wait for you to recover..

You know how much I respect you mate. The real trouble is when someone doesn't understand at all how to stay on track with other cars, and he doesn't. I don't want to bother you or the other guys here, but I'm simply bothered to repeat every time the same thing and I'm quite bored by these episodes with him. I stay on my opinion on the previous race.
When he will quit this place I may consider a return on track.

Have fun for the rest of the series mate. Seems that at least Max can match your pace, so I feel better about my retire now. Not my intention to leave you alone... you know :)

Thanks . What should I have done, having a free space on the right and the ability to safely take an internal winning trajectory? Full stop the car?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amW2Rx2wqXE
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Why did he continue to move direct straight when it was time to brake and to turn right, having free space there? Should I go straight to the wall?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0_vw3_ZJc0
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You convinced me! Bravo!!11 Clever boy!1!1!

Finally I understand the meaning of that funny videos titled "Driving in Russia".

And remember mate, Lada is equal to Alfa GTA ::)

And I know the difference between a  man and liquid scrambled eggs .
BTW I've asked FMG but not you.

Min 4.05
Pretty sure it is a joke, or is not?
They are still searching for him. He is MIA at Goodwood.

Good joke but Yeah... :-[ Really sorry about it. I've wrote about some earlier. :
 "But i must to say very sorry , Jari , for our accident in 3rs lap.  surrender
My all attention was watched the fight between Max and FMG in , as Max swept across the grass in front of me, after him I grabbed a curb and all the attention was there ( in front guys maneuring and what these positioning will be after all) , the car was slightly led to the right, where you were rapidly approaching, although there was no intersection of the machines. I turned to the left at the very last moment , but it was too late, you went into the grass, I drove on. Only by repeating everything was considered in detail and what a pilot  it was...  Embarrassed I apologize again and you can safely protest, I will humbly accept the punishment.  yes "

good to see you all took onboard the comments in the last race about finger pointing in the forum  ::) If you feel aggrieved by an incident then report it so that a couple of judges can review it.

My own view based on the select youtube vids posted is I think Matteo took a good but risky dive down the inside of Alexey at the chicane and most of us would have been starting to move already to the right as he did. You only had a light contact but Matteos car went into a pendulum swing unfortunately. It was just the worst scenario that it involved these two drivers again.

The melee vid involving several cars was just a racing incident. Any number of these could happen in race 2 when we had groups of wildly moving Alfas jostling for positions with different momentums.

Though will have to say Alexey made a bad move on Jari? (4:05) clip that took him off on the grass. The replay posted makes it look Alexey aggressively blocked him but i need to see it from different angles on the proper replay. But again its wrong of other drivers to post vids of other peoples race mistakes unless it personally included that driver. I am sure many of us could post incriminating short vids of contacts if thats the way we wanted to run the racing here, but its just toxic and pointless unless done via personal pm or the incident board.

As an MSA licence holder I can give you the real world MSA/FIA versions of this - but it's to the mods to determine actual fault here, Srou rules are similar to but not quite the same - hence why we have the court system no one seems to use here in AC.

However, in the first video nothing was done wrong - barring myself bumping Matteo before you arrived, although even then he was bulked by the car he was trying to pass and slowed suddenly himself. Both myself and Matteo then fell off on our own through Fordwater as I commented in my earlier post.

In the second vid Matteo didn't turn in at the normal point because that wouldn't be where you turn in from the middle of the track, had he turned in then he would have hit the inner wall, bounced off and taken you, and probably me and anyone near me out as well. He would also have been unable to turn in any harder as he was heavily on the brakes at the time.
The real world rules state that as lead car he could chose the line - provided he doesn't decide to run you off the road or into the wall (This is referred to as 'racing room' normally).
Just because a car is on the bit of road you'd normally use does not mean you can use it while side by side with someone if they are still there.
In the event contact does happen in a passing situation (accidental or not, and most, if not all, contact here or in the real world is accidental, including this instance in my eyes) cars must redress - I.e. ensure the car they passed because of the contact is given a quick and easy path back to in front of them - once that is done you are free to get back to trying to pass them. (in real racing the car that did the bump might still get penalised, although the redress will normally be taken into account) You were right to slow hard to avoid hitting Matteo while he was sideways but should really have made sure that he could get back passed you as soon as that was safe - this could even have been on the next straight if the traffic behind you was bad enough (and it was pretty bad!).

As I said, it's all for the moderators here to decide on, although I think our rules are probably very similar to the Blue book where possible.

None of this is me having a go/having a dig, but as you asked it would be unfair for me not to explain in full.