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Endurance Championship - Season 3, Round 1 at Barcelona

Date: Sunday 4th June

Practice 1: 8:00pm (20 mins)
Practice 2: 8:20pm (10 mins)
Qual 2: 8:30pm (30 mins)
Warmup: 9:00pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:02pm (80 mins)

Cars allowed: Those classed as GT or NGT, according to each driver's registered class. A list of which cars are in which class can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=7). Seat Toledo, Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M and Porsche GT3 Cup are not permitted.
Weather: Will be decided just before the race based on real-world weather.
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added.

Server: UKGTR Endurance S3
Password: Server Password is shown in the Password Board (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=20.0) and is available to the relevant registered drivers.

Notes:
(1) Full-time drivers should aim to arrive during Practice 1.
(2) Reserve drivers should not connect to the server until Practice 2.
(3) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(4) See  UKGTR Season 3 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=27) for general Endurance Season 3 info.
(5) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)
(6) The season will be run using a UKGTR carpack v1.5 (http://www.ukgtr.org/downloads/SROU_Car_Pack_1.5.zip) which will need to be installed prior to racing. Details of this pack can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1235.msg17247#msg17247).

Woohoo!

 :punk:

Season 3 is almost here ;D

Mosler time, der-der-der dum ... dum derr derr , Mosler time.
 :taz:

May take the Lister or C5R, may take no car at all, lol, since U21 NL footy is on as well (final)

Btw, that how u sound when u crash in a Mosler Sharky? ;) :P

:angel:

T

can,t wait to get started with my first season.

Gonna miss this one......An everlasting hangover is on the attack  :sleep1: :yawn:

I get the one frame bug after 35-40 minutes race and was the end for mi. Shame as I was enjoy it, o well maybe next time. Sorry to the one o crashes on mi

Holy cow. I didn't read the rules and went with 100L and didn't stop :(

I was controlling Truetom and Shark thinking they went with 50L for 1 stop and was saving the tyres.
It seems the first race backfired.
Well, next race I can keep a faster pace then ;D

Filipe Galego apologies to all for any trouble he may have caused as he had to race with only 18FPS during around 1 hour
Only the first 20 minutes his frames were good.
He asked Gomes and me on Team Speak if all was good when we passed him and we said no lag was noticed, so he kept racing even with the low frames

Had fun at the start, people falling off everywhere and even managed to use a back marker to get past SBG, having a great three way battle with him and Rich_A, then going into last turn gears went down twice and span off. Then my lack of concentration began to kick in. Need more endurance practice definately for the quieter moments, which you don't normally get in a Nascar.

Still settle for some early pace and every lap will improve me hopefully.

A very enjoyable race. Had a 1 hour battle with Truetom. Was leading in class for the first half but TT was always very close behind. Second half after pitstop, some time into that stint pushed too hard on the final turn and went across the gravel, held it together to get back on circuit, but this let TT through. Then I had to push really hard to pressurise TT and with about 15? minutes to go I was literally inches from TT's rear bumper for a while. Then out of one of the slower right handers TT skidded wide on the damned marbles which were really getting troublesome (as always at Barcelona) and into the gravel and LMAO I followed him straight in. Had a good giggle at that sympathy spin, we were so close together when it happened it was unreal. I seem to come off a lot worse though as i did a 360 and had lost 8 seconds to TT. Then tried to catch up with minutes left but couldn't quite get there with I'm guessing TT slowing a bit at the end to make sure of his win.

Luis actually finished on the road ahead of both of us, but didn't realise he had to make a stop so will be penalised for it. Sorry mate. You drive a great race too. Think you were about 6 seconds behind my battle with TT at the pitstops.

Well done to Zacari on the GT win, pretty good points for Team Shark.

Hard race, had jonzo barring down on me last 30 minutes which i felt sry for him as I knew i to pit still and he seemed to be pushing hard to catch up. Well done to all.

Didn't plan on racing tonight but glad I did ;D. Congrats to Zac and TT (tough break Louis).

Unlucky Nick, and I was wondering how on earth you spun there. Great fun while it lasted and my pass on you around an NGT was better :P. Nice stuff with Rich and Zac as well, very fair chaps.

Thanks to NGT boys who were most respectful. Might do that again ;)

Phew that was tough going as usual, first time i have raced endurance in summer temperatures so was completely soaked in sweat by the end...sweating booze from the weekend probably!

Was away at a wedding all weekend so had no chance at all for any practise. Had to drive home at 'race' speeds  :o in the Porker just to get back in time, fearing i would miss the race start. Missed practise but joined during the qually sesh luckily. Was buzzing so much from my adrenalin drive home that it made it easier to jump straight in 'cold' 8)
Was never going to trouble the few NGT with no practise but was reasonably pleased to start the race where i did (6thNGT?).

Race started well with a 3 way battle with B.Lomax and Pops just ahead of me for a fair few laps until Pops disapeared into the gravel at turn 1. :( Then had long battle with Bernie for about half an hour or so, swapping places once or twice until he made a couple of errors and dropped back before he finally retired.
I then had a 30 second gap after pit stop to next guy in front and a 1 minute plus gap to the car behind so just carried on a bit bored with a less than perfect race setup and brought it home 3rd or 4th NGT ?..depending on the stewards enquiry for Luis  :-\

Apologies to Maverick who i think was retiring anyway?..the back end of my car whipped around off the kerbs, near the pit entrance and i sideswiped his slow moving GT car, sorry mate, i was just a passenger at that point. :-[

LOL yeah kinda like Hakkinen and (remind me) at Spa.
It was gonna take something like that to shake it up, I could not attack you, but Rich could not get past me as my brakes seemed a lot better ( at that point anyway!)

Duel with Shark.  :fencing:   Was a tiny bit faster with fresh tyres, but couldn't get into slipstream - his Mosler just pulled away. 40 minutes, more or less glued. Then tyres started to go-go and I was losing quater/second per lap. Had a half spin just before pitstop but managed to join just after Shark again (what were you doing in the pits for so long?). Duel again for 20 minutes. I knew I had to pass as soon as possible or it'll be the same as before pitstop - his tyres held better than mine. Shark made it easy for me as he made a mistake in the last corner and I was able to pass. He started to chase me then. I felt I could pull away but then started to conserve tyres. So I went through corners very slow, blocking the way and pulled fast outta corner. It worked for some time then he made the same move. I blocked and in braking we both lost control. I don't know if we made contact or just lost it under braking.  :o  I managed to continue while he spinned. This made a gap of 8 seconds about 15 minutes to the end which I let slowly vanish and came to end of race. Sweaty all over, gasping for air, then a Sharky torpedo hit me into space!  :o
In the pits I saw Louis was before us?!?!? As I could understand Louis didn't know he had to pit. I expect moderator will solve this situation, right? I worked my a$$ of for this NGT win!  ;D

Great driving Shark, as usual. I guess that was your only mistake worth mentioning, right? I don't think I could pass you cleanly and then keep position if it wasn't for that.

Great level of driving, I think the highest so far. All GTs sensed and respected close driving between Shark and me.  :thumbup2:  Same with NGTs which we passed.

Sorry Louis, next time ya gotta read some.  :smartass:   Even so, great driving Louis. I know how risky it is to drive for 80 minutes w/o stop. (right Mark&Shark?   :-*     :P   )

Grats Zacari on the GT win.  8)

That was a great race if you ignore the second lap :D Quali was as good as I could hope for, only 0.2 off my PB and was optomistic for the race knowing I could run in the low 1:40s but it didn't half take some getting!  With so many NGTs this year quali was pot-luck if you got a car-free lap but I had a good 3rd run for a 1:37.9  Spacefox was too fast to try and beat for pole!

The race was very hard work after I made a total schoolboy error out of 'wurth' (Turns 7+8) on the first flying lap, and ended up dead last behind aaaalll the NGT guys :o :o for a split-second I thought about the 'esc' key but it was such a long race even getting back to the top-5 was worth trying for.  It was quite comical actually, I was in dreamworld looking at the back of Spacefox's car then I suddenly realised I was heading for a wall! ::) :laugh:

Then the hard work started, keeping patient whilst using all the 550's horses to get past on the straights.  My quickest lap through the traffic was a whopping 3 seconds off what I knew the leaders would be doing so I didn't hold out much hope of a top finish.  Lap 9 or so I was in 6th and 15 seconds back from 5th, taking between 1 and 2.5 secs a lap off depending on traffic.  By lap 18 I was in 4th and getting close to SBG in 3rd but passing was not easy on tyers I'd thrashed just to catch up!  First attempt I had to back out of but the second was very tight, got a good run out of the last corner and pulled along-side over the s/f line.  But there was an NGT in front... on the racing line, so I thought 'I'll keep my line and SBG'll have to lift'.  Then the NGT car moved over... :o for a second I wasn't sure what to do, but he moved over far enough for both SBG and myself (good stuff! ;) :)) and I broke as late as I dared on the inside, SBG broke later but spun across the apex (I felt no contact, I assume there was none ???) and I was in 3rd.

I was then amazed to see 2nd was only 8 seconds up the road!  So I finished the next two laps and came in for my sheduled stop.  Top job by the Ferrari boys got me out in 39.5s and I was then pushing to get everything back up to temperature.  A lap later and Spacefox pitted, I was amazed when I saw I'd taken second on the s/f straight.  A whopping 1:20 behind Rich meant pushing in lap after lap in the 1:40s to try and get the gap down, and once he pitted 5 or 6 laps later I amazingly had the lead.  By now Spacefox was taking lumps out of that, from 6 secs to right on my bumper at one point.  Still 20 mins to go... had to push incredibly hard to keep even a 1 sec gap, then an error in Campsa gave me a 10 second lead again with only 4 laps left.  Despite worn tyers and having to be slightly 'blunt' with a backmarker I kept ahead for probably my best win in GTR yet :w00t: grats to the winner of NGT ??? :) and the now 'old man' :wheelchair: ;) for 3rd (or 2nd, or whatever :laugh:)

I get one frame bug and I was just trying to live the track clear so no arm done

Yeah, I noticed you guys were faster and I was thinking to myself: "great, they must be going with less fuel and pushing hard on the tyres. I'll keep a steady pace controlling distance to save the tyres and when they pit in they will never recover the lost time in box" ;D

I don't even imagine then I to should have stopped once to keep the position. I was in the lead with around 36 seconds when you both got out of pit. I then thought again "Great, now is just managing the lead to end up in front"
I ended with around 26 seconds from Truetom, with the last laps in a clear management pace. If I had drove a bit faster when I was in front, and had stopped to pit in within the final 2 laps, not changing tyres nor putting fuel in maybe, just maybe, I could pit out still ahead and take the win. If, but I lost it all together when I didn’t noticed the new mandatory pit stop rule. Shame on me :(

my bad luck carries over  :( first i didnt change q set and then game went laggy and steering just went,this happened twice now ,gonna try swapping mb,see if that helps

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Barcelona%20-%20Endurance%20S3%20040606.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=150) now available :)

Nothing, it was just the extra fuel that needed to go in, I was pretty quick in and out of the pitlane. The Mosler burns a lot more fuel than the other NGT cars so even though I started with a full tank at the start of the race I was still having to put a hefty amount in to make it to the end. (Started 100L, at pit stop there was about 37L left and I put in 59L which gave me 1 spare lap of fuel at the end of the race (pretty tight)).

Tyres seem to hold up well except near the end of the stints where it was harder to brake as late due to the loss of tyre grip, overall the Mosler isn't too bad on the tyres if you drive it sensibly.


We were inches apart but no it was just a very very close behind sympathy off with you.  ;D


I seemed to manage to launch your car onto it's nose for a breakdance spin on it's front number plate. Looked great in my mirror.  :P


Unfortunately the penalty for failure to take a pit stop is exclusion from the results. Harsh on Luis who drove an excellent race and what probably would have been a close third, but rules are rules.  :-\

A super qualifying session got me a PB by 0.2s so I was only just behind the big boys :D

Bit disappointed really that my race ended early after a bit of contact sent me straight off at the end of the s/f straight. The car had a lot of damage and I decided it probably wasn't really very safe to limp almost an entire lap to the pits so I retired.

Pity that as I was running in 4th :(

LOL. I was thinking the same in an NGT, was difficult getting a lap in with all the GTs flying by. Had to try and make the most of the free laps that were available. All part of qualifying and there was only 21 cars out there, which was dissapointing but it shows it could have been a lot more hectic.  :o

Unofficial lapchart (http://www.tyfdesk.com/simracing/ruskus/lapcharts/BarcelonaLapchartEnduro.htm)

Np m8's. My bad I didn't read the rule changes. I clearly was keeping tyres as I planned to go without pitting.
If went for a pit I wouldn't have started with 100L but 70L or 80L at the most. With less fuel and with a pit stop to change tyres I would have raced with a faster pace not worried with tyres. The pit stop would have been a quick one just to change tyres and put some fuel to reach the end. In those condition I think we would have a tight fight between us 3 from start to end.
Let's see how it goes in Magny, now that I read the rules ;D

I thought there was something up Luis as I was able to keep up with you for the first couple of laps!

Only the first couple though, you disappeared pretty quickly after that :D

Barcelona is now officially my least favorite track out of the original 10 >:( I Still haven't managed to find a decent setup that suits me in the GT3 that can keep up with those 360's.
Apologies go to anyone that caught me on track around the 40 min mark, I had an off that caused a puncture and had to limp round a full lap with the car smoking and sparks flying, I tried to keep out of the way. If it had been a sprint I would of quit but as there was still 40 mins of racing left I really wanted to plod on and hope that my actions were acceptable to all?
Grats to the winners and Finishers and the GT (ngt :-[)  boys were as clean as a whistle when passing (thanks)

Err, dont want to rock the boat, but i noticed that i have been classified as finishing behind Gomes Da Silva, which i thought was odd as his best race lap was over a second slower than me.
I think he didnt pit stop according to the lap charts.
Can the mod chaps look into this please.

Also reported thanks Mark. Current results are provisional so when the moderators report is published the results will get updated too.

Not sure if i am correct in my calculations but it would seem that Luis only finished 27 seconds ahead of me ? So presuming the time of a pit-stop i should have finished in front of him too ?....can someone confirm this?  I need all the points i can get   ;) :P

If you exclude me slapping my forehead (doh) ;), your right there. Thats exactly why I'm not to keen on racing the 550. For me, it seems to do to many unexpected things but I'm determined to get the better of it.  

I confirm none of the Sonic cars pitted in.  :(
I didn't notice the change rules and not informed my team that we now have a mandatory pit. I told my team mates that 100L will last till the end. We also discussed what pace will be taking to manage the tyres to last the 80 minutes. We thought some would go without pitting and others would aim for a stop. We thought the best strategy would be to go for a non-stop race, considering the time we would spend in pit.
The race really backfired at Sonic.
When Shark congratulated Truetom for the win I though "What the heck, but I'm in front. What happened?"
Then Shark said I forgot to pit in and I though he was just kidding for me going with a non-stop.
Was only then that I realised something wasn't right. Gomes then take notice that a mandatory pit was in order.
We three laughed quite a bit as we where commenting what a good strategy turned out to be and suddenly how a shot in the foot it was in the end.
We all became a bit disappointed but we understand completely that it was a mistake from our part
We'll be back at Magny this time well-read ;D
Sorry for the confusion and the mess this is causing in terms of final race classification

Mark - don't worry, the results will be corrected to take account of missed pitstops. You won't lose any points.

The mandatory pitstop is mentioned in both the main rules on the website and on each of the race announcements where it is applicable.

Moral of the story...always read the race announcement post.  8) ;)

Good race, i'm not discussing an incident here but if you go into T1 with brakes at 30'c you're going to have to brake about 20 meters before normal braking zone. This is why I always give it some brake and throttle to get my brakes up to about 200'c before exiting last turn.

Thought I had the win in the bag but my team mate SpaceFox maintained good pace and could easily have won except for a couple of spins..  grats to Zacari for the win, some good consistant pace there - quite surprised actually I must have lost a fair chunk of time in pits!!

Nick, there's program called KeyDelay at bottom of first post I made here https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1146.0 .. it's great for stopping double shifts. Let me know if you can't get it working.

 

BTW, the Sonic cars look great Luis, a very nice addition to the pack.

Indeed ;D

Thanks Rich will have a look at that when I get a chance.

Good race by the way we had early on, hope for plenty more like that, might just get used to turning right as well ;D ;D

Well I am absolutely gutted, only got permission just before the race to join in (mix up on registration or something). Anyhow got out on track for qually only to find my throttle sticking on at 40%, making it damn near impossible to to get around the track. Pitted and unplugged pedals to sort it out and got back in just as you guys set off on formation lap. Still better luck next time.

FYI, looking at the lap chart stuff as an example, Truetom lost about 66 seconds making a pitstop and I lost about 63 seconds, although it's quite approximate due to the need to warm up tyres before being able to go same pace and so on.

93 sec in pits but I had a head on with my team mate that i forgot to stop repair damage being done

Yeah me spinning again I think Whitham, sorry about that was towards the end and think my tyres were going, and took too much inside kerb at turn 1.

NP I had visions of it turn out lot worse than it did only lost 2 sec and the pit stop was my own fault for forgetting about the damage which i did abit myself at the start of the race.

Hi there , i dont stop and i dont read the rules we dont have to tiem to preparate to this race , but we now will work for the next one, thanks all for the greate race that all provide :)

Please don't forget to send your incidents to me by PM before wednesday 20:00. That way I can review them and have the moderator's report ready before next race.

One thing that was noticable on the replay was how my car was displayed after the finish of the race, when I went into turns 1 & 2 the car was jumping all over the shop making it look like lag.  All I'd done was put it in Neutral and for whatever reason the server couldn't calculate where my car actually was anymore :laugh: quite odd really!

I too noticed that I had to complete a full lap after I passed the finish when I already had the time counter elapsed.
I found it rather strange cause the race time ended when I was some 4 corners from finish.
I had to do another full lap and only after passing the finish line again I got the message saying my race was over. ???
When checking the lap table I notice that I have one more lap then Truetom when I should have the same number of laps (I think).

The leader passed start/finish just before the timer ended. That's why you needed to do another lap :)

Yes, that I do understand, but in that case shouldn't Truetom and the others made one more lap also?
I was in the same lap of Truetom, Shark and Gomes, at least. That's what I don't understand. Please note this as nothing to do with the final race classification, only talking about it cause I found it strange.

This page of the lapchart clarifies it some more. Look at the total Racetime :)

http://www.tyfdesk.com/simracing/ruskus/lapcharts/BarcelonaLapchartEnduro.htm

No Luis because I think Zacari was inbetween yourself and TT and me. So you cross the line after the time runs out, but because Zacari hasn't crossed the line yet you have to wait till he does so you have to finish that lap, whereas we are behind Zacari so we cross the line after he does and therefore finish there.

I'm asuming Zacari was between you and us (which I think he was).

Yes, that explains it. ;)

I thought we're running without any car in between, but if the first position was between me and you I would really to have to make another lap and you ended you're race as soon you passed the finish line after Zacary crossing it in front of you.
Yep, that feels right

It still doesn't explain why you got the "race finished, return to the pits" message when you started your final race lap though does it? Or did you not actually get the message but just happened to notice that time had expired before you crossed the line?

I was some 4 corners before the finish line when the time counter elapsed. I thought when I crossed the finish line at the end of that lap I would get the "race finish" message. But I dind't get it so I did one more full lap already without the time counter. Only when I crossed the finish line again I got the race finish message.
I crossed the finish line twice with the time counter already elapsed.
But like Shark said, if Zacari was behind me when the race time ended, only when he crossed the finish line would the race ended. So, although the time had elapsed, Zacari had to cross the finish line to declare race finish. As I was in front of him, I crossed the finish line with time counter elapsed before Zacari did and thats why I had to make another full lap. When I crossed the finish the second time Zacari already ended his race and mine ended as well. As TT and Shark (and Gomes) were behind Zacari their race ended the first time thy crossed the finish line after the time counter elapse cause Zacari already ended by then.
A bit confusing I know, as I also didn't understand it until Shark pointed out that Zacari was between me and them.
So, I guess I was the first to cross the finish line after the race time ended, which make me the overall winner  ;D.
I wish  :D

And if you think that was confusing it was worse in GPL!  :)

If the leader was just about to lap you as you crossed the start/finish line you'd get the chequered flag (or you thought you were but in fact he was waving it to the car right behind you). There was no handy "RACE FINISHED" message like there is in GTR.

Well you were the winner of the NGT race (or would have been, except for the small matter of no pitting) because you completed more laps, which is the first criterion in working out the results.

I know.
I was only kidding for being in front of Zacari in track when the time ended. well, in front in terms of track position not race position , of course ;)

Aah the good ole days (again ;)), when not everything was lined out in great detail, people could still railride most tracks, take the train while doing the Tour de France and second-to-last-corner-German-cheaterz weren't got with their pants down and put on public display! ;) :P

Woohoo! ;) :laugh: ;D

T

Hi, guys... I just wanna say that I loved race with you guys...
Sorry if I caused any problems to anyone, but racing 1 hour with 18 FPS wasn't easy and at the end of the race I was spining a lot... I was trying to free the track always but in case...
Looking forward for the next race...

Endurance Season 3 - Barcelona moderator's report published

https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=150

Edit: Report edited slightly.