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GTR Fun Race at Imola

Date: Wednesday 31st May

Practice 1: 8:30pm (15 mins)
Qual 2: 8:45pm (25 mins)
Warmup: 9:10pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:12pm (40 mins)

Cars allowed: Any
Weather: Dry
Track: Imola - TRACK DOWNLOAD HERE (http://www.tyfdesk.com/simracing/gtr_tracks/UKGTR_Imola_Track_1.0.zip)
Track Installation Instructions: Use GTR Manager or Mod Manager to install the zip file. If you don't use either of those then post reply and we can provide manual installation instructions. Even if you already have a version of Imola, please rename or delete it and use this one so that we are all using the same track.

Server: UKGTR Imola Special
Password: readme

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)
(3) Imola start lights - please wait for your MOTEC clock to start ticking before leaving the grid. There is a couple seconds delay from the lights going on to when the clock starts ticking. If you move before the clock starts ticking you will get a stop go.
(4) This is a test of the Imola track for GTR before we use it in Endurance Season 3 to check for any major bugs.

Ooooh, this race is on my birthday. So I'll be happy with a win as a gift :sorcerer:

Damn, that's a sorcerer :sweatdrop:

Track download is ready.

Download link is broken atm :P

Try again  now - seems the Imola needed a capital I

Sorry.  :'(

LOL, where did you find that avatar from Picnic.  :o

Can we change that leg for a penguin and use it as our new logo? :D ;) :P

Someone sent me an email titled "Knitting for Psychos" and that was one of them, so I cropped it a bit and made it a bit smaller. Need the pattern now so I can get some wench to knit us some  ;D

The source (http://sentencesforsale.com/index.php?p=28)

Some other good ones there too. ;D

LMAO  ;D

ROFL! ;D

T

 ;D

Can I ask who is likely to turn up for this and what you intend to drive? If the numbers are low like Monaco then I want to drive the same class as the majority (hopefully everyone can). I would prefer to drive NGT, but I'm happy to change if thats not popular.

Paul

nGT for me ;)

Porsche all the way for me !  8)

Edit: Oops, was in teh wrong topic ;D. Thought this was about the Donny race this eve....d'OH! :oops:

But this is Imola  :wetfish:

porsche gt3

If I can make it I'll take the Porsche out.....haven't driven it for a while :)

Ask Dave and I'm sure he'll put you down as a reserve. The GTs are less popular so there is normally space.

Yup, wrong thread ;D

If I race I'll prolly take the C5R cause I need the praccy with it. Never really know with ZiPs though ;), we might as well all drive TrueTom's car! Cause he's so afraid we put a dent in it! :P

T

 :taz: :taz: :taz:

 ;D

TT

P.S. I don't have a GT car in 1.5 UKGTR skinpack  :P

Did some laps, and with a race setup I did a high 1:43. I have no idea whatsoever if that's a good time in a Lister. GTR rank is a bit empty with this track.
Lovely track this, soooooo good.

Quite a good track, reminds me of watchin a real vid of Road Atlanta i.e very bumpy and undulated. Will take a good 100 laps to learn it !!

Bit of a nightmare for GT, seems to have more grip than usual though..

Wonder if I should bother turning up? can only manage a 1.56 in the GT3

Wonder if I should turn up. Not installed the track yet and just finished off a rather nice Merlot  ::)

Id say thats a great time , could only manage a low 1.48 in a viper.

As I've just said in game, track and driving standards not up to par with this league, so can safely remove this from season list! :)
When even I can win seconds by cutting chicanes it's a cwap track! :angel: And when people muscle past you like on a public server, the racing is cwap as well. :(

Nuff said, NEXT!

8)

T

Thank god we never take Tyf seriously :P.

The best track ever!!!

In the first lap I tried to take the chicane normally, and I spun ;D. So after that I was like, what the heck, take it like you should 8).

Interesting first race around there, getting used to the lines and the grip levels. I dont really see why this track is preferred over Silverstone or Laguna personally. :-\  I dont think its as accurate as the GTL version.


Qualied well just behind TT and Mo with a fair gap down to the next cars.
Race start was excellent, had great battle with TT for about 15-20 minutes, swapping places a couple of times, and even Mo wasnt that far ahead at that point, until i suffered a low speed spin under braking in the last corner. :(
the Tyres got very hot and i immediately went off at the following corner when the back broke away un-expectedly ???
Spoilt all chances of continuing the fight with TT and i just continued around the last 20 mins with no opposition and unable to close the gap.
Finished 4th NGT so not too bad on first outing. 8)
Congrats to Mo  8)

My anti-roll bars were too stiff me-thinks and i couldnt attack the kerbs and chicane like i saw some people able to. Can someone remind me what damper rebounds suit the high kerbs...is it higher or lower settings...i always forget ::)

Lol, this track's gonna be a mods nightmare!  ;D

Great track, lotsa fun. You just  gotta accept it - this track means cutting. Not on grass, but you gotta cut every corner or you're 2 seconds back every lap.
First duel was with MJ, lap after lap Porsche is just too fast outta corners. Swapped places, late breaking, different lines, we had it all. Luckily Mo didn't get far away - he should as the pace was faster and faster. Made a race PB in the last lap I think. Well, then MJ spun (high kerb, eh?) and I started to chase Mo.

Had a good scrap with Mo, too. Bumper to bumper, few mistakes and we also swapped places. One time I almost picked him up, on the last chicane. Braked too late and didn't feel I deserved the taken place. So I (wanted to) let him by. He didn't get it and started pushing me down the straight, lol.  :lol:

I was a bit faster but not enough to pass him on the short straigts. The long straight downhill was too bumpy to risk - we would both go off. Grats Mo, great duel, enjoyed every minute of it.  :thumbup2:

ROFL when GTs were "passing" us - we were losing loads of the time here. There were Tyf, Jamera, Rich (can't remember others) who passed us, span, passed, span, passed... We were driving together, four cars. 2 GTs, 2 NGTs and we were all battling our class.  ;D  Pure fun, but risky.

Tyf, you gotta fix that understeer, it looked terrible.  :w00t:

I think all the guys didn't enjoy this track. It is different, gotta be very agressive. Then its fun.  8)

Will we be racing at Road America then?  

I'll try to fix it m8 ;).

I hope RA will be tried as well, it's great with GT cars, drove it online last night, really nice with lots of highspeed corners and overtaking spots under braking and others :D.

T

Good race, I think the track would be great in the leagues Personally i love it ,just a shame about the chicane where you can make 2 seconds by cutting either going  in or out of it. The cutting round the rest of the track isnt too bad your just using alot of curb.   I had a  :D  when following TYF with the amount of understeer he had , looked like hard work mate!
Cheers

Yea, it was like he was driving a bulldozer  :jumpjoy:

 :P :P :P

TT

LOL! Well the car has the engine for it, just misses a shovel! ;) :P

T

Really enjoyed that one.
Haven't driven the GT3 in an age so it was good to get back out in the NGTs, and to remind myself how good the porker is to drive.
I like the track too, especially down through aqua minerale popping down through the gears under brakeing and turning - there's a real flow to it.
 

Really enjoyed it TT, I managed to get 4 secs but you were pushing really hard. Every lap I'd risk to go a little quicker but you enventually closed right up.
LOL at pushing you up the straight, I was lining up behind you for a slipstream just as you were easing off to let me through. Just glad I didn't spin us out.


Total adrenaline rush, and it was actually for overall position so there were no blue flags, Made for some tense racing that's for sure.
And yes, I could see Tyf's understeer too  :D




Road America gets my vote too, cutting isn't so much of an issue there either.

So where were people cutting?...cheating buggers the lot of ya'  ;)

 I took the chicane properly every lap :angel:, i wondered how people were finding a second a lap on me towards the end of the race and/or closing right up through the exit of that chicane. I take it you wasnt given 'cut corners' warnings then?

From my point of view, whats the point of cheating? I thought we were all reasonable gents on here. I'd rather come 4th and race fairly than cut corners for wins. Cant believe people were completely cutting the chicane out >:( :gun_bandana:

Its not in the spirit of things, maybe the mods can review the replay and punish all offenders   :ban:

Joined too late to get a qual lap in so started at the back. Made up a place on lap 1 and then passed Don on lap 2, but he made a late dive down the inside at Tosa to get the place back. I was ready to stay wide, but unfortunately he locked everything up and took us both off. Got going again and then had several laps yoyo-ing with Jamera in his 550. In the process I was slowly making up places, and as the race neared the end, TrueTom and Mo appeared only 3 secs ahead. I pushed extra hard to close the gap, but with only 6 minutes left the gap was too big. This wasn't helped by Mo doing his fastest lap of the race on the last lap!

I really like Imola. The chicane cut doesn't seem that big an issue as long as drivers don't take the p**s, and from what I could see, by and large they didn't. I'm not sure who you mean Mark about the 1 sec a lap? The rest of the lap is a fun roller coaster.

Paul

Paul, i meant if people were cutting the chicane and able to take at high speed, they would easily gain a second a lap.

ps also thought some of the driving standards were a bit poor last night. Not gonna name names but i got the impression if i didnt take big avoiding action in some of the corners i was going to be knocked out of the way by some errant GT cars that were flying off all over the place. :( (like to add that most drivers were real gents too 8))

Nice track for Elises fridaynight,for serious Endurance it is not suitable ,as mentioned a moderators nightmare.There is an 1994 Imola version with a Tamburello as it should be and absolute killer curbs ,no cutting possible,bugfree as well.Get it here : http://www.xs4all.nl/~blomsan/
Just unrar and put it in your locations folder.Road-America is in my opinion the better option,Ruskus if you manage a 1.56.XXX there in a 550 or saleen then you are really fast

Jan

Well I had a quick look and didn't see anything really blatant - though if it were up to me I'd have Enna-style walls against some of the chicanes. :P :laugh:

I'm not going to issue any penalties on the basis of a fun race - that would defeat the object. But if anyone wants to PM me a name and a time in the server replay to look at I'll take a peek. I don't want to have to switch tracks if we don't need to because it means squeezing another test race in and there's only really enough contingency for one change.

Hi all, interesting debate (along with 'corner cutting' thread in miscellaneous section). When we say "cutting" the chicane (at Imola) what are we saying? Missing the chicane out? 1/2/4 wheel/s on grass, running straight over kerbs?? Still a bit unclear to me. 

I took the chicane reasonably fast running almost straight over the kerbs in 3rd gear (in F550) although braking quite hard on entry and exiting between 90-100mph (no way flat out!), on the odd occasion a wheel unintentionally have crossed over kerb and on the grass. I like to think it was within the boundaries of the rules an if it isn't, i would like to know for future reference, trouble with that chicane is the kerbs are very low and it invites ppl to drive over them rather than around them.....

cheers, bri

Would it be possible that we could have a vote on which add-on tracks are used for future league races?
Not poss now maybe for the new Enduro, but worth a thought in future.

I've heard that GTR2 won't be out till September! Not tried RAmerica but think i'd prefer it, Imola is bit too bumpy imo.

I would ditch Anderstorp and have Road America instead. Possible?  :)

TT

Bumps are an essential part of a challenging race track. :P Too many F1 circutis have been dumbed down by smoothing the surface out.  :-\

Racing fast cars shouldn't be easy. Being able to handle whatever a circuit throws at you is the greatest challenge of all.  8)

Wouldn't this be the 1 change then? So far I think this is the most spoken about track after Enna, so maybe good to change it for another one. Or get that version that Jan D. has posted which has better curbing? (I think that's just the other Imola version on tyfdeks.com rt?)

Road Atlanta and Mosport it is then ;).

8)

T

My point is that with so little contingency, we can only afford to change if we really, genuinely, absolutely have to. So far I've not seen a single concrete piece of evidence that there's actually anything wrong with the version of Imola we used, other than people being unwilling or unable to set their cars up properly and use the full width of available track.

It's was noticable in the GTL race at Imola last night that almost everyone was using the full width of the road - exactly what Ruskus was doing in GTR, except for the first fliying lap when he tried to take too much curb at Variante Alta and spun anyway. I've already suggested in the corner cutting thread a small rule clarification which will prevent abuse of the flat curbs, and it would be a real shame to throw away a fast, challenging, technical track just because most people are scared of curbs. :P

Amen ;D

Yeah, in the first flying lap I was trying to do it clean, and I spun :-X. So I threw that silly idea overboard and continued my style ;).
Imola has so many points where you can win time, like Peter said in the GTL Imola thread. It's all about exit speed in those long sweeping chicanes and that tight hairpin. It is a very technical track, which is huge amount of fun. It's also one of the best looking GTR tracks.

I agree with this version of Imola. You have to risk to ride a kerb - more kerb, more risk. Its the same with that chicane in Donington - if you take too much kerb OR not enough it will disturb a car and slow it down, if not cause a spin.

AND: its pure fun and adrenaline if you go straight in a chicane and you're not completely sure you're gonna make it.  ;D

TT

P.S. Why don't we go straight in the Esses in Oschers? Because the track doesn't allow it. At least, I can't go. I tried it.  :-[   ;D

Wasnt the whole beef with Imola to do with people extremely cutting corners and blatantly skipping out the chicane?...as opposed to being 'scared of kerbs'  :(
Why use a track that is allowing people to manipulate a shortcoming in the add-on track design?

I love the Imola layout as a track to race on, but i already feel aggrieved that i could have wasted 40 mins in the fun race the other night because i wasnt trying anything that would be counted as illegal in a real race, to my detriment it would seem  ::) whilst others blatantly did it to gain an extra 1-2 seconds a lap, perhaps.  ???
So what happens when we do a 80 minute race..do i have to 'cheat' like everyone else to be competitive?...its not why i race this sim. >:(

Can somebody explain just exactly what 'cutting' went on during the race?..and did people actually cut out the chicane or just straightline it ?  I havent seen a replay and i am at work. Dont want to do any finger pointing just want to make sure i am not giving myself the hump over this unnecessarily. :euro: :wheelchair:

But Mark, people weren't blatantly skipping out of the chicane, unless I've been watching the wrong bits. There was the odd lap were people got it wrong, but they were very much the exception rather than the rule. If you know of anyone who DID exploit it then please report them to a mod. I would also question whether anyone was gaining 1-2 secs a lap.

You could say the same about some of the standard tracks - that runoff area that everyone uses at Oshers, or the bus stop at Spa being obvious examples.

There are expectations in this league that drivers will exercise a basic level of sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct. There's been no evidence presented on the basis of Wednesday's race that those expectations have not been met.

Cutting at Bus Stop is slower usually unless you cut it by going all on the grass for both apexs but then there's the risk of it flipping out.

I watched you Ruskus at Imola a couple of times, looked ok.. only problem I have is I don't know how it's done lol, I think some kind of super fast reactions and somehow getting the weight going left even before the second apex!!. There's some funny cambers and undulations on that chicane and second apex is blind. Not my type of turn at all!!

Getting back to the original reason for this race, I've not heard of any technical problems with running this track online with our addon cars, is that correct?
(i.e. there were no obvious bugs in the track)

Okay guys, i will drop my concerns for now, like i said, i havent actually seen the replay to comment further, though i intend to for peace of mind  ::)
I was just concerned that if we allowed discretions like this to creep in, before we know it this league would de-generate into a 'public server' type free for all or people will believe they can gain the advantage by pushing the boundaries of fair play. :angel: :ninja:

 :tank:

Close your eyes and pray ;).

I appraoch the chicane in high 4th gear. I brake later then the black racing line, can't really tell when (just before 50m sign?). I steer in for the first part, and when I'm on that forst part, or even just before that, I steer to the left, aiming for the 2nd part. Because of the bump the car will react very late, but when you "land" the car will start to have lot's of grip so you can immediatly floor it right after, using the full green of the kerb afterwards. Don't do too wide there, on the white, or you'll get a warning.