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Season 35 – 1966 Grand Prix – Round 6 – Wiesbaden

Round 6 of the Historics Trophy  takes us to Wiesbaden in Germany.  
The Wiesbadener Automobiel-Turnier was an event first organised in the early 1920s. Apart from the Hohe Wurzel hillclimb and a gymkhana, it also included races for sports- and racing cars titled Rund um den Neroberg from 1924-1929 and in 1931. Motorcycles were also catered for at least once, in 1927. The races were originally held on an eight-shaped 12.5 km circuit north of the city, which comprised 86 curves through undulating terrain. Large parts of this course seem to have vanished since. The sole documented fastest lap is Hans Stuck's 9.22,0 = 80.1 km/h (1928). In 1931, the race took place once more, now on a shortened, or possibly completely new, 4.6 km circuit. Bugatti-driver HeinrichJoachim von Morgen clocked the fastest lap in 2.41,4 = 102.6 km/h. The new course was used just once, because after 1931 the Neroberg races were dropped in favour of grass track races at the airfield of Erbenheim, just south-east of Wiesbaden. That same airfield was later paved and hosted a one-off auto race in 1958. The next races in Wiesbaden took place in May 1935 and 1936 as part of the Wiesbadener Motorsportkämpfe, which was more or less the successor of the Automobiel-Turnier mentioned above. The event included a long-distance regularity run, but also a speed event (Hochleistungsprüfung) on a 7.48 km street circuit in Wiesbaden, for touring cars, sports cars and motorcycles, although it should be noted there is a possibility these actually used some sort of time trial-like format.

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Drivers must complete 50% race distance to score.

Race List	=	IGOR
Server	=	UKGPL_8
IP Address	=	look at iGOR
Race date	=	15-10-2019
GPL mod	=	66
60fps patch used	=	60fpsV2newmod
Track	=	Link (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=1156)
Qualification	=	20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race	=	race starts at ~21:30 UK time
Race length	=	~50 min -> 29 laps
Damage Model	=	PRO
Replay	=	https://www.sendspace.com/file/ag10wi

GLA + FUN

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver	Tokens	Status
Bagrup	8	Pro
Clive Loynes	8	Pro
Cookie	15	Pro
EvilClive	18	Pro
Gareth	17	Pro
Greg T	10	Pro
Iestyn Davies	10	Pro
MagicArsouille	10	Pro
Ziu Bacubacu	26	Pro
AnGex	4	Am
Billy Nobrakes	8	Am
francesco	20	Am
Oly9	24	Am
Phil Thornton	23	Am
Rainier	10	Am
Syd Drake	13	Am

Looks a tricky one!

Having a problem downloading this track.

The "Wiesbaden.zip" link returns a " 404 not found" response in my browser, and the files listed beneath refer me to SRMZ where I get a "not authorized" message??  I have had a Win 10 update imposed upon my PC this morning so I am wondering if this has adjusted things to prevent me getting at the download??

Anyone else experiencing problems??
 

Worked ok on Windows7.   ::)


I followed the link on the season registration page.

Did you remember to sign in to SRMZ?   ::)

Thanks Clive for the reply

OK, I have beaten the stupid box into submission and it has reluctantly given up the files. ::) .

SRMZ appears to be my problem ??? as it no longer wants to recognise my log-in details ( or at least that is the message that I get )..BUT strangely. it has permitted the download of the files??? :-\ So I have the track installed and working off-line and will test it on-line later.

Oh dear!
I was hoping that you wouldn't get to see it until just before the race!   ;D

Practice server is running

I can connect to the server so that's a good sign!

 :shifty: :shifty: never ever underestimate the cunning of a Waza trained competitor.  ;)

LOL

Optimuswaza rising from the ashes!!!

Well...……………. It started with an intense qualifying session ( I had one screen freeze which upped the stress levels a little ) and  the race was looking like a tight battle.
The start was as expected with Clive's 3 litre Lotus powering past on the run down to T1, but my little roller skate was able to brake later and slip up the inside.
The next few laps were a great battle between Ziu, Clive Loynes and myself and I was really enjoying the different handling of the 3 litre car against the 2 litre Brabham BRM and Ferrari.
Then Clive vanished ????? So it was me chasing Ziu for the next laps and looking for a chance to pass. I had worked out that I could perhaps draft past him at the end of the straight if I was tucked right behind him out of the final turn. I was all set to have a go at my plan and I got myself  positioned for the draft and I only just avoided rear ending Ziu when I suspect that his engine failed???  Now I was all alone  with around 19 laps to go and on a track where one mistake could be the end.

Basically I cruised the rest of the race until the last few laps when I had Tago as a target to lap. Twenty laps was a long lonely race but I quite enjoyed this track and my first race around these streets......I hope that Monaco is as rewarding  ::)

Finishing has been a very happy result for me, after a difficult race.

Yesterday when I was going to start my particular training session my PC did not start ... ops ... I thought I could not run ... I've wasted with this machine 3 power supplies and maybe is not that thing... a disaster ... no training.

Today, just in case, round 18:00 hours (17 for Great Bretain) I tried to start and ops the machine after two attempts has started .... wowowowowowow ... training time!

Today has been a very long day ... we had to get up early to avoid the messes that are in Barcelona and I was tired ... so I concentrated on shooting long runs and let the times fall lapping ... then I have adjusted a setup for the Q and to rest a little bit

Then everything has been enjoy ... the q put me in the middle of the grid ... in the race, the starting nonsense has given me a position ... I think that the 29 are many to fight everything in the first 3

As I have been shooting the last one I've been able to take a smoother pace to control fatigue and I've only made a mistake at the end

Congratulations to the podium ...  Clive for the win, Dave for his 2nd and Phil for his 3rd

Thanks all for racing ...  a pleasure ;)


A curiosity ... the newspaper in Spanish

(http://boxes.gaiztor.com/img/20191015_UKGPL66_news.png)

I have always been impressed by GPL's ability to capture the really annoying aspects of motor racing.

I must have done hundreds of laps of practice without any sign of engine problems but just when it looked like I was going to get a good battle with Evil and Ziu, the damn clockwork failed!

Well done all finishers.

PS  Note to Evil.  Your stealth Brabham is just about impossible to spot in my mirrors!  Can't you use a car with a bit more colour in it?

"PS  Note to Evil.  Your stealth Brabham is just about impossible to spot in my mirrors!  Can't you use a car with a bit more colour in it?"


I don't think a change of colour will help ( not even sure that there is a different colour option for this car?) I actually think I am moving too fast for you to see properly  ::)  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I won't bother looking then.   ;D

I was a very lucky 2nd, yesterday evening !

On the first lap and the first braking point, my Brabham hit the fence and immediately after I saw a green Lotus (Axel's car) in front of me hitting the wall. To avoid this car, I had to brake and turn right and I hit Andreas car.  :(
I hope there were no big damages for Andreas car ...

So two collisions in 30 seconds but no real damage for my car.

Then I was running 5th with a big gap with the top 3 leaders, and Phil between leaders and me.
Ziu and Clive Loynes had to stop due to engine troubles.
And Phil made 1 or 2 mistakes which allowed me to push harder.
I could overtake him, it was not easy even with his "little" Brabham 2,7 L.

So I could say I was very lucky to finish 2nd.
Congratulations to Evil Clive, Phil and Tago, the 3 finishers
Bad luck for the quick Ziu and Clive L.
Don't know exactly what happened to Axel, Andreas and Francesco


By the way, it seems something is not working  with the Amateurs and Pros scoring on the 66' Championship page (only 8 tracks instead of 10).      

You did not hit my car, maybe it was the one of Phil? After Clive L. dropped out I was in a good 3th spot. Then I hit a wall and suddenly the exhaust broke: Motor kaputt!  :hang:
Grats to the Podium and all Finishers.  :clap:

Maybe Bill Nobrakes car ? I hope that was not the reason for the DNF :(

I haven't checked the replay but I overran one of the corners about halfway through lap 1. Another car did tap me & the front wheel was stuck in the barrier. Didn't matter as I worked out during qualifying that I had not learnt the track well enough & my chances of finishing 29 laps were very remote. I am not a big fan of street circuits.

Next one in this serie is Monaco ...

Fixed that. When importing results the "reg class" needs to be set to either "Light" or "Heavy". Light for the Pros and Heavy for the Ams.

I tried hard and I made 1 mistake which lost me about 8 seconds and any chance of holding onto second place, you were just too quick. The difference between the 2L and 3L cars on the straight was huge so I'm pleased to have secured a third place. I've never races at Wiesbaden before, perhaps a 3L car would have been a better choice?  ::)

I've loaded the chassis the drivers used into the token calculator spreadsheet.  For the next race the available tokens will be as declared in the table below (the table will also appear in the next race announcement).  The calculated values are automated but selecting the cars is a manual process so please check your tokens to make sure I haven't made a silly error. There was no token overspend for this round so no one is disqualified.

Driver	Tokens	Status
Bagrup	8	Pro
Clive Loynes	7	Pro
Cookie	22	Pro
EvilClive	20	Pro
Gareth	17	Pro
Greg T	5	Pro
Iestyn Davies	5	Pro
MagicArsouille	5	Pro
Ziu Bacubacu	30	Pro
AnGex	2	Am
Billy Nobrakes	8	Am
francesco	14	Am
Oly9	18	Am
Phil Thornton	23	Am
Rainier	2	Am
Syd Drake	13	Am
tagomago	10	Am

No, if you are Clive or Ziu  :)

First you have to find one that will go the distance!

I was too fast at the start,due also to the slipstream,at the entrance of the first curve i was in front of 2 option:the back of Andreas or some maneuver to avoid him.The maneuver was successful but my left wheel was trapped into the net.Race finished.

If it is any consolation Fran, you chose the right option. Thank you for being kind to your fellow drivers. Sorry you didn't finish the race, hope to do battle with you in the next round (if you are not too fast for me  ;) )

 Also because between me and Andreas there was on old story of collision from the back at the start.Was many years ago but i rember. :laugh:


I don't think,you are very fast this year,also with the GT.

I was talking about EvilClive with his little Brabham BRM 2L ...not about you with your big monster Lotus BRM H16  ;D

Yes I drove a 2litre car and so did Ziu, although Ziu had engine problems and retired.

This track was a little naughty I felt , because one half was ideally suited to a nimble 2 litre car and then that long straight was perfect for the big 3 litre monsters. I was torn between taking my favourite Brab BRM 2 litre or the Honda 3 litre, both were giving me roughly the same laptimes. But I decided that the smaller car was just a bit easier to drive and might avoid too many contacts with walls and fences.

Even so, I was caught out when the race started and I was racing closely with Ziu and Clive Loynes . I had not done any running with the AI and during quali I only managed a single run down that straight behind a 3 litre car. As a result my top gear was probably one or two clicks too low for safety. When I was behind Mr Loynes monster I had to back off, especially over that bump where the needle flicked dangerously high.
I think that I was fortunate when Clive and Ziu had problems and retired, because it allowed me to control my pace for the rest of the 20 laps and reach the finish.
I don't think my 2 litre car and the wrong gear would have survived the race if the pace of the first few laps had continued. Maybe Clive and Ziu just got unlucky with the GPL gods and the random failure demons which did seem harsh.

I certainly thought it was a bit harsh!  Especially after I had taken the trouble to arrange the gear ratios so that I could change up to 6th at the bump on the straight and avoid the high revs that happened if I just went over it without a lift.

I didn't realise that both you and Ziu were in lady's cars but the run down to the first corner had shown me that I had the legs on both of you.  I hadn't done a great lap in qually but I knew that I had the lap times to take the battle to the pair of you when it mattered. 

So I was feeling quite comfortable with my first couple of laps, until the engine broke.  Especially as Evil had already put it into the wall once!  It was all looking good for a titanic battle as there was no way that either of the cars in front of me could have stopped my passing them on the straight.  And then it would have been time to get the elbows out and be very wide. :devil:  Buggerit!

Yes Clive, I clearly remember that early contact with the wall, because I thought I had screwed my race right there!!

I suspect that my neighbours were aware that something was amiss in our household too...…my wife, who was downstairs watching TV, informs me that there might have been a few angry words uttered at inappropriate volume  ::) :cursing:

I'm curious now, and when did you dream all this?

Probably at the same time that you imagined that you were going to fend off Evil until the chequered flag.   ::)

Well, the only evil against me was the engine of my Ferrari

Just had a look at the replay. Sorry for the contact on lap 1 Axel, it ruined your race. I had to move right to avoid hitting David who was stuck in the fence.