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Title: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 26, 2019, 12:32:31 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=671&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 20

Track: Norisring Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg187122#post_norisring)

Cars allowed: GT2.0 Porsche 904/4 GTS (Not 904/6 GTS) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_porsche904gts),
                       GT1.6 Lotus Elan

Drivers are reminded that they are limited to six drives per class. Check your status HERE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yku719AsmB92d7Zu3aWkizlW2D3JernVHNGm1ZWJTGI/edit?usp=sharing)

Race 1

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (10 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make.
Race: 20:30 (24 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit stops required: No

Server: simracing.org.uk Wednesdays
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 30, 2020, 01:39:33 PM +0100
You do not have to use the same make in both races. Entirely up to you.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Daz9 on May 06, 2020, 08:18:22 PM +0100
So if I am not showing the Lotus in the list when trying to join the server am I missing something?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Dominick on May 06, 2020, 09:01:12 PM +0100
It's the standard 26R, Daz


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: roguk on May 06, 2020, 09:43:54 PM +0100
Enjoyed racing but way off pace, 2nd race quit before i took someone out.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Daz9 on May 06, 2020, 09:55:45 PM +0100
Found the issue with the elan not showing, last time I was in GTL I had the field trimmed via GTL tool, so a lot of cars were turned off in that....took some remembering....

Thanks for hosting etc, good to get the kit out again, but it revealed a few issues with my wheel and pedals that I will need to sort. I will try to make this nice and regular though.

And before Dom jumps in, I got lucky with this event for a comeback after 2 years, track was easy to learn plus the elan was always a car I went OK in and I could find a setup for in my garage, so was a gentle reintroduction for me.

Cheers.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 06, 2020, 10:16:07 PM +0100
Results and replay now posted.

Can [NGP]Daz please edit their Profile/Driver Details and enter their Country please.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on May 06, 2020, 11:07:45 PM +0100
Another great event here.

The first qualy was quite bad, but expected. I thing i was 4th but made bad start and gone down to 5th. Till the end i tried my best to overtake Coyote but he was consistant and i didnt manage to do the job. Sorry for some little bump on some of the guys cars.

The second qualy was way betterl. I've changed the setup a little bit and the ressult was positive. Unfortunately Geoffers took the pole at the very last moment so i was going to start from P2. It was better starrt this time, but stilll losing one position. That Daz went in the barriers and Gristo overtaked me and i was 3tth. A postion i kept till the end. Tryed to catch Hristo and Geoffers but they were so fast.

Qualy and races replay from my computer + commentary and camera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjQ9rR0LqtY


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: EvilClive on May 07, 2020, 06:48:39 PM +0100
I somehow thought that we had to use both cars last night. Yes, OK so I know that it says about that in the race post, but men don't read instructions do they??
I did my usual server test late in the afternoon and surprise, surprise I found that the Elan was about a second quicker almost straight out of the box, so I spent a little more time trying to tame the Porker.
I figured that as we had to use both cars  ::)  that I would use the Porker first and get it out of the way, then switch to the Elan for the second race. So when I saw that almost the whole grid for the first race was made up of Elans, I thought that my chances looked good for Race 2  ;)....that proved to be a false hope!! lol
Some last minute setup adjustments to the setup solved what had been a somewhat unstable braking problem and I found in the first few laps that I could stand on the brake pedal and stop the car in a straight line.....provided that I remembered to stand on it at the right moment.
A good start gained me a place or two off the grid and I was amongst the Elans. But I knew that unless they made a mistake I did not have the raw pace to make a pass. Initially there was a good battle with Matt and apologies for the nudge of encouragement to Erling in the early laps, but Matt was getting very insistent from behind at that point. Gradually I eased away and ran most of the race a lonely 6th, but in retrospect I am pleased to have been the first of the Porkers and to have been in front of a few Elans.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: SpecialKS on May 07, 2020, 08:10:17 PM +0100
Result_Race 1 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2020/06052020_Norisring_R1)

 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Dominick on May 07, 2020, 09:11:21 PM +0100
Some last minute setup adjustments to the setup solved what had been a somewhat unstable braking problem and I found in the first few laps that I could stand on the brake pedal and stop the car in a straight line.....provided that I remembered to stand on it at the right moment.
If I may ask, how did you do that? I found the problem insolvable with the ensuing predictable consequences (Not that I was much better in the Elan though....  :-X).

Congrats for taking that spastic little ferret not only to the finish but in a more than reasonable position.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: EvilClive on May 07, 2020, 09:30:07 PM +0100
happy to put my setup into the online suppository repository if you want to try it Dominick


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Erling G-P on May 08, 2020, 12:52:15 AM +0100
Race 1 was a hard battle from start to finish.  First against Dan until I made a mistake at the 2nd hairpin at let him through.  Couldn't keep pace with him and instead had a very close battle with Dimitar right till the finish.  Took a very concentrated drive to stay ahead of him.

Grats to Geoffers on victory, and Hristo & Dan for their podiums.

Race 2 I had Clive in close attendance early on. It finally started to sink in that everyone else were taking a much wider entry into the chicane, so I tried emulating that.  Meant I missed my braking point a few times, finally doing it big time, hitting the barrier and letting Clive past.  He was courteous enough to spin at the 1st hairpin the next lap and give me back the position. Very slowly eased away from him over the remainder of the race, with another very concentrated drive.  Not making any inroads in the lead of the car ahead, so no possibility of catching it.

Grats again to Geoffers & Hristo, and to Dimitar this time.  Thumbs up again for the latter for the video and commentary - always interesting to see things from someone else's viewpoint  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Dominick on May 08, 2020, 10:21:26 AM +0100
happy to put my setup into the online suppository repository if you want to try it Dominick
I would appreciate that very much, thank you. Setup's been an uphill battle for a decade.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Geoffers on May 08, 2020, 12:18:08 PM +0100
Couple of good results & races.

First race, despite a good start I got mugged at T1 & dropped back to 4th, recovered 2 places when both Erling & Dan ran wide at the 2nd hairpin. Chased hard after Hristo but initially made no impression, eventually started to catch up & when I got a good slipstream on the S/F straight & pulled alongside down to T1, Hristo braked a fraction too late & I could nip through on the tighter line. Once ahead I could not pull away until Hristo made a mistake & the gap jumped to 10s. Took it a little easy through the lapees on the last 3-4 laps & brought it home.

Race 2, just pipped Dimitar for pole in the closing moments of qually, got a great start & although first Daz & then Hristo chased hard, Hristo closing the gap mid race, I held on for a second win.

Congrats to Hristo, Dan & Dimitar on their podiums.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Yes, great video again Dimitar, really enjoyed watching.  :thumbup2:

Good to see old NG colleague  Daz put in an appearance, hope it will become a regular occurrence.

If I remember later I will upload my Elan setup for those struggling.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: EvilClive on May 08, 2020, 12:51:23 PM +0100
happy to put my setup into the online suppository repository if you want to try it Dominick
I would appreciate that very much, thank you. Setup's been an uphill battle for a decade.

Just uploaded my race setup on Norisring  Porsche 904_4 UKGTL.
 My setups might not suit everyone's driving style, but FWIW I was dropping to 4th at the right hand kink before T1 hairpin and avoiding further downshifts to as late as possible, whilst mashing the brake pedal. Getting the timing right was critical as I wanted to lift off the brake just as I engaged 1st, otherwise the car would not turn in properly. I could be quite brutal with the gas pedal on the exit, just being aware too avoid spinning up the rears and rotating the car too much. that is generally the same for all corners. have fun.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Hristo Itchov on May 08, 2020, 03:57:44 PM +0100
I was surprised how difficult the Elan was to set up and struggled through the little practice I ran and then through both qualifying sessions, to find something that works. I had speed, but the car was very unstable under braking and particularly in both hairpins when I changed down to 1st gear. This meant that my rears wore out quicker than the front, and that was key in the races where after 2/3rds of the way the increased sliding caused the tyre temps to go too high and diminish the grip available.

I noticed how much toe and rear camber Dimitar was using, in his race video, so it's something I have to try next time we race this car.

Geoffers was incredibly quick, so congrats on a well-deserved double win! Grats to Dan and Dimitar for the 3rd places respectively.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Geoffers on May 08, 2020, 05:32:33 PM +0100
Just a quick comment Hristo, you say you were using 1st gear (as was Dimitar in his video) for the hairpins, I was taking them in 2nd as I thought the lower revs gave better drive without inducing too much oversteer. May have helped tyre temps too.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Hristo Itchov on May 08, 2020, 06:45:25 PM +0100
Just a quick comment Hristo, you say you were using 1st gear (as was Dimitar in his video) for the hairpins, I was taking them in 2nd as I thought the lower revs gave better drive without inducing too much oversteer. May have helped tyre temps too.

Thanks, Geoffers, I tried doing that, but unless I lowered the final drive and sacrificed top speed, it seemed to drop the revs too much in 2nd gear.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Dominick on May 08, 2020, 10:50:09 PM +0100
happy to put my setup into the online suppository repository if you want to try it Dominick
I would appreciate that very much, thank you. Setup's been an uphill battle for a decade.

Just uploaded my race setup on Norisring  Porsche 904_4 UKGTL.
 My setups might not suit everyone's driving style, but FWIW I was dropping to 4th at the right hand kink before T1 hairpin and avoiding further downshifts to as late as possible, whilst mashing the brake pedal. Getting the timing right was critical as I wanted to lift off the brake just as I engaged 1st, otherwise the car would not turn in properly. I could be quite brutal with the gas pedal on the exit, just being aware too avoid spinning up the rears and rotating the car too much. that is generally the same for all corners. have fun.
Thank you, I'll have a go on the morrow.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1965 D.A.R.M. - Norisring - May 6
Post by: Geoffers on May 08, 2020, 11:02:46 PM +0100
I have uploaded my Elan setup, look for 'elan Geoffers' in the Norisring folder.