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Endurance Championship - Season 3, Round 3 at Imola

If you haven't already done so, you must download this addon track (http://www.teamshark.org.uk/files/gtr_tracks/UKGTR_Imola_Track_1.0.zip). If you already have Imola, but did not install it from the UKGTR v1.0 package please delete your version and install this one so that we are all definately running the same track.

Date: Sunday 2nd July

Practice 1: 8:00pm (20 mins)
Practice 2: 8:20pm (10 mins)
Qual 2: 8:30pm (30 mins)
Warmup: 9:00pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:02pm (80 mins)

Cars allowed: Those classed as GT or NGT, according to each driver's registered class. A list of which cars are in which class can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=7). Seat Toledo, Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M and Porsche GT3 Cup are not permitted.
Weather: Will be decided just before the race based on real-world weather.
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added.

Server: UKGTR Endurance S3
Password: Server Password is shown in the Password Board (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=20.0) and is available to the relevant registered drivers.

Notes:
(1) Full-time drivers should aim to arrive during Practice 1.
(2) Reserve drivers should not connect to the server until Practice 2.
(3) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(4) See  UKGTR Season 3 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=27) for general Endurance Season 3 info.
(5) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)
(6) The season will be run using a UKGTR carpack v1.5 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/downloads/SROU_Car_Pack_1.5.zip) which will need to be installed prior to racing. Details of this pack can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1235.msg17247#msg17247).

Bugger, new track and I can't make the race as I am away that weekend.

The link to the download in the announcement isn't working... (Bet that's a dastardly Team Shark ploy so I can't practice tonight  :P)

There's an Imola download elsewhere on www.tyfdesk.com, is that the correct version?

There are two - I believe it's the "SRW05 Imola" version but Shark will verify that.

I think you are right Dave, the one just called 'Imola' has 5 different track options in it  ???

Tis the SRW05 one installed on the big server.

Woohoo, Imola, love that track. Will be a challenge ramming that kerb for 80 minutes. All instincts will be required. ;D

I'm afraid when Tyf left he took all of the hosting space he'd generously given us too. Have re-hosted in different locations as and when required. The link in the race post is now fixed to a working download.

Too bad, I'm on vacation then.  :(

I like Imola, its a great track. Even better if you've got a porker behind to push you down that straight.  :P

TT

Damn, i was hoping to see which corners you were cutting TT, to enable you to get in front of my Porker  ;) :P

You will be missed my sporting foe :fencing:

Right MJ, but you gotta ask Mo for instructions  ;D

TT

I really hope I can make this race. I'm preety sure I can. Did a lot of testing at Imola over the last few days. Didn't tinker with setups as I'm useless in that area. Think I'll be arriving in a Lambo or a Lister. They're both very nice to drive. The 911 Turbo isn't bad either, especcially on the revs. You can accelerate fully in second gear without overcooking it.

There'll be no practice for me for this one. Never raced here in GTR so going to be hard keeping up.
Looking forward to it, Imola is a classic race track.

Still having troubles with this carpack. Does it need to be installed in .gtr?

Paddy, there is a very comprehensive set of instructions in the first post in this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1235). Installing it with GTR Manager (either standalone or the one in ModMan) should "just work", and unpacking the zip (with file structure intact) directly in the GTR directory should also work fine.

Yeah we believe ya Sharky boy  :angel-wings: :P :whistling:


                                :stupid:

I don't get this Dave. I'm following the instructions as they are written on the page. I put the zip file for the carpack into the addon folder in GTR Manager. Then it came up in the list when I began GTR Manager. I ticked it and clicked install. After a few seconds, the red light turned to green with .GTR written inside it. I presumed it would work but when I went to race weekend, I could not see the car skins in the car selection. I tried out Multiplayer Internet and it still didn't have the selection. I have patch 1.4 installed too.

Funny thing is, although the cars are not appearing in the car selection menu when I turn on the game, I went to see if there was anything new in the teams folders and low and behold, the new UK GTR folders were there in each of the car folders.

It's hard for me to understand what I'm doing wrong. I've read through the instructions several times and I honestly don't think I'm leaving anything out but I obviously am.....?

You haven't got two GTR installations or something wierd like that?

If you go to the Mosler car selection screen, how many Moslers are there to choose from?

Has anyone else noticed any AI wierdness here?

After the first lap, an extra 5 cars seem to 'appear' about a minute in front of the rest of the pack. Very odd.

No Dave, just the one.

There's two. Thierry Perrier and someone else.

Paddy, you are in Professional mode and not Arcade or Semi-Pro aren't you?

Maybe let a friend take control of your PC, Paddy, via MSN or something.

D'oh!

Thought this race was tonight, but it's a week away, so may have time to put a wheel on track in practice after all.  ;D

Hold on, I think I was going to Semi-Pro  ??? I'll check it out!

Yes, in Simulation, all of the skins are there. But now, every time I pick a car, it crashes to the desktop on the loading screen. Jaysus, when will my problems end?? :P

Might be worth trying to uninstall /reinstall GTR from scratch if you haven't already done so and then apply the carpack again. Give your system a defrag at the same time.

Ok Don, I'll reinstall the game tomorrow and hopefully everything works.

Just checking...but is this race still on as planned now that Englands next round of the world cup is on sunday eve at 4pm ?

If it is i will have some serious sobering/waking up to do between the match and the race  ::) :clown:

That's a very good question Mark. I'll discuss it with the other moderators.

The match will be over by 8pm won't it?

I'd be really disappointed to see this postponed :( The game will be long finished by the start of the practice session.

I'm sure you can whack a few cups of black coffee down you Mark  ;D

Trust me i have raced sunday enduro races a lot worse for wear (hangover wise) than i am likely to be after an England match(usually a sobering experience) ::)

I'll pump myself with coffee and stick the fan on full blast in my face during the race ! :angel:

But.... telling the missus she basically wont see me from 3pm until 11pm is a completely different matter  :wetfish: :wub: :taz:

Surely she'll be happy about that?  ;D

It's more likely to be a problem with people if they go out to watch the match. Difficult to say how many people that may be. Obviously we don't want to run a small field if we can help it.

Extra time and penalties might be a pain too.

It will go ahead unless otherwise stated.

Poll on postponement here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1753.0).

This event has been moved back by a week to July 2nd. A Suzuka test event will be held as a fun race tomorrow night instead.

Well that was a disaster  :(

Was really looking forward to racing here too. Rushed home like a loon to try and make the race but after a day out in the sun i just couldnt focus properly on screen and really struggled to find any pace and consistency. Went off early in race and smashed the front spoiler off. Knew it would destroy any chance of high position and sadly quit. Couldnt face 80 mins for no reward in this heat.

Hope you all had a good race.

....and a disaster for me too.
I led in the early part thanks to Ruskus and Rich making small mistakes. Ruskus was just too quick though and I cooked my tyres trying to set a fast pace.
Eventually I went wide at Tosa and he slipped through as I was caged in by a backmarker who was letting me through  :D - not sure who it was but genuine thanks for leaving the door open for me, it was my braking mistake that put me out wide behind you and then Ruskus had an easy pass.

After that I had a spin at Minerale and then one more on each of the next 3 laps and at that point I retired. Tyres were shot.
Terrible - I always regret quitting when I've had time to think about it ::) - the pitstops weren't that far away.

Sry I missed it guys, i only got back from donny at 8.00 and was stuck to my leathers with this heat and bit tired so opted out hope you all had a good race

Congrats for the winners ;)

TT made an excellent race. I made a first mistake in the last chicane and TT took first.
After the stop I was able to reduce from 16 to 5 seconds until I put a miserable lap with 2 great mistakes and got back to 15 seconds from TT.

I thought all the Imola tracks where the same but this version in much much bumpier then the 2004 version we use in bSkilled. The setup I had wasn't made for such bumpiness and I had the hardest race I ever remember.

Absolutely knackered here - sooo hot.

Too many spins but my god as Luis said it was bumpy, hard to drive the same line at a corner lap after lap.

Few too many spins to mention but happy with fourth in class.

Great race even thought the engine let go with only 15 mins to go :(.   had a great scrap with Pops for the first few laps and mananged to get a good run out of the final chicane to outbrake him into the first corner. settled down after that and was looking good for a solid third in class . Tires were brand new still towards the end of both stints.
The track rocks , keeps you very busy and i love the off camber corners hope we use it more.
Cheers ;)

Man this was great. My first real endurance here at Simracing, at my favo track.

Qually was good for me, took pole just before Rich.

The race...well, it started kinda dumb from my side. Eventhough I braked waaaaay early for T1 than I usually do, but I still went off slightly with huge understeer.
The first part was good chasing Mo. But I was more anticipating his moves on track (brake points etc) to prevent a crash, that I couldn't get a rythm and I missed some apex'. Like he said, he went wide at Tosa, so I could sneak on the inside. After that there was a NGT car on the outside. And because I was already on the inside, I was having an advantage in that situation. I was slowly incrasing the gap between Mo and me, but all of a sudden he was gone. So the gap became 13s between Rich and me.

That increased to 25s at some point, untill I spun after Variante Bassa. Putting my car in the right direction meant my rears were 140 degrees Celsius, si I had to slow down the lap afterwards. The car was horrible on the kerbs in that lap.
Rich was close at that point, so I had to push a bit harder again.

After 44 laps I did my stop, mainly because of the fuel, the tyres were still pretty good. Rich overtook me while standing in the pits and the first few laps afterwards he was increasing the gap. After my tyres we on temp again, I starting gaining on him. There was only 30 minutes to go, and he just didn't go in for the pitstop. So I was wondering if he could already done his in the very early part of the race.

Afterall it was an awesome race. Very, VERY fair behaviour of the NGT's being lapped, thumbs up for that :thumbup2:

Great race, Louis! You grabbed NGT pole at the end, very nice, very quick for this track version. Was folowing you for some laps in the race, saw you were driving on the limit, so I just waited for your mistake. It took longer than I expected, just working myself up to push you a bit, then you took that chicane wrong - just a bit too much throttle, eh?

The trouble then was that GTs and NGTs were a bit mixed and I didn't know where Louis was. So I was running from every folower until I found out it was a GT!  ::)

Was trying to scare Jamera in his F550 a bit to the end (  ;D ), he was faster but didn't let him through right away. Saw you flashing lights and such, getting impatient, mate. Then I decided to not make you too angry, as we could both be off.  :sweatdrop:

Jam was then driving a bit slower, so I could keep up. Switched my lights on, braked late, accelerated agressively, etc. Man, I could almost see you watching your rear mirror  :lol:

Sorry, was a bit fed up by the track by then  :wetfish:

As for the track version, I also trained on the other one, as we have the next TPG race at it. That track is a bit less bumpy, yes, especialy that downhill brake morale killer  ;D - sweated every time I braked there tonight, very dangerous. Come race to TPG Louis, we can make another duel there.  :thumbup2:

Too bad Gerald left earlier, no Bernie and no Jon - I was a lonely Pingu.  :boat:

Grats to Ruskus for a GT win.  :thumbup2:

TT

That was hard. The combination of that track and the heat really made for a really difficult race  :sweatdrop:.

Qualified in 3rd getting close to my PB but as the race started I just couldn't pick up the pace to the same level I was managing in practice, the car just felt completely wrong. I managed to keep Dan Minton at bay for a few laps until he made a nice move to overtake.

Dan was pulling away quickly and Don and Mark Jonzo had disappeared by then so I'd almost settled for 4th place after about 15 mins :D I kept plugging away though and was really surprised to come out after my pit-stop only 10s behind Dan. That proved to be a bit of false hope though as I made a complete mess of being lapped and lost about 10s on the next two laps.

I'd definately settled for 4th at that point as I was still struggling with the car really badly so decided to play it safe and just bring it home. Sorry to see Dan by the side of the road with about 15 mins to go, I'd already been lapped by Truetom and Luis by then.

A completely undeserved 3rd place in the end, I drove terribly.

Grats to Trutom, absolutely stunning race mate  :notworthy:

An apology is due to Nick Phillips for our mix-up when you came to overtake. I eased off to let you through but I'm not sure you could have seen me properly :-\

Pops

Hehe no problem Pops, I was following you up the hill and then suddenly realised you were backing off and tried to get around but went around - I was driving on ice anyway I think by that point.

Wasn't expecting you to lift off which threw me, but as I say no problem. :D

It was when I was trying to lap Gerald. I saw him in front before the last chicane and took the exit narrower trying to put the car in the inside for the taking on the exit. As I turned right harder then I should and drifted. Had almost to stop to avoid hitting the pit wall. I silly mistake by me, as I should have taken it a bit wider and would lap Gerald before the S. That's where I blew it :(
I'm sure will have a nice fight again in Anders race  ;)

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/SRW%20IMOLA%202005%20-%20Endurance%20S3%20020706.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=152) posted, sorry for the delay

*Edited by the society for working URLs*  :P

Unofficial lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/SRW05Imola Enduro.htm)

Sort of glad I wasn't able to take part looking at those astonishing times.
1:51 in NGT! Geeez! I had done a 1:55 in practice at best.

Just wanted to add that I thought the new starting procedure worked like a dream last night, all the NGT's seemed very closely bunched.

I think Ruskus put the limiter on a bit earlier than in previous races, that worked well and it also worked well was that he told everyone which corner he was going to put it on during warmup. Good thinking Ruskus, maybe that should be incorporated into the rules if possible?

It definately adds a bit of tension in those first few corners being so close knowing that even a slight mistake is going to cost you a place!

Thanks, but not all credits to me. Rich A came said to put it on after the corner before the last chicane. That was either the fast right hander or after Rivazza. We decided with the last option.
It's a good idea to mention it before the race (end qually because then most are in pits), and maybe also on the spot. I did that in GTL and I think it worked for the people with in car chat on. No surprises then when everybody slows down.

Was all set and ready to go in this one when I was told in no uncertain terms by the wife I had to go look after my little'un.  Fair enough, he was really grumpy in the heat, so took him out for a spin in the car, and he soon fell asleep.  Could have done a few laps at the end of qualifying, but by that stage my head really wasn't in it and racing for 80 mins would have got my in the missus bad books too I think ... ho hum.

Was a good race, made small mistake at chicane which allowed Ruskus and Mo through.. they pushed very hard after that, could just about keep them in view but then I spun at chicane again due to some crazy wheelspin. Continued for about 55 mins but tyres were shot and little damage made car slower .. !! Had Mo behind me for a few laps which was cool but then saw him spin off going into Rivazza.. 1m45 is very reasonable race pace here imo, push much harder and make mistake or wear tyres too quickly.

I would also like to add, without wanting to cause an arguement, that given we had been off for three weeks, and the rules had changed in the meantime, it would be appreciated if admins confirmed the rules rather than telling people to be quiet. I know we could check beforehand but do not understand the objection to the discussion.

I am used, in other leagues, to admins giving everyone a low down before the race.That's all.

No offence meant :) :) :)

Yeah, that was weird. Somebody asked what the deal was with the cutting rules. So somebody replied and said: always 2 wheels within the white lines.

So I went to the rules (alt-tab) to check and all it said was:  "Drivers must at all times keep at least two wheels within the boundaries of the track."
And track defined as tracksurface plus painted curbs.
But when I said that in game-chat, I was told not to discuss it in there. Which was nonsence, because there was no discussion, all I did was pass the rules.
There was no talk whatsoever about what is track or not, only the rules as they are in Simracing were stated in the chat.

About the rules discussion: I reminded as to the cutting rules, and then Ruskus said it was two wheels on the curb. Ok, np, I don't think that's a discussion. Also, that was during a practice session, not quali. And it lasted for, what, 30 sec?

TT

I agree,  I didn't think we were discussing it either. Ruskus clarified what the rules were - better to do that before the race than after surely?

Yeah, it was in practice while the timer said 00:00 and we were waiting to go to qually.

Hmmmm, I thought that was during qually that happened, hell may be I'm wrong, it was hot, I was tired so who knows

Anyway, great race everyone, really enjoyed that. Good battles with Nick Phillips and TT and well pleased to bring it home in 3rd  ;D

Nothing wrong with clarifying the rules in a practise session, sounds like there were some wires crossed and someone thought they were being disputed.

I would be happy to state the rules before the race. But other people stated them before I even had the chance (practice 1 is not right for this, rather use warmup) so I didn't feel the need for it anymore.

As for telling people to be quiet, it wasn't meant like that. The rules were being discussed in the qualifying session which shouldn't be done anyway. Also this discussion has been in the forums since after the Imola test so why start it again? The rule for this is there since a few days before the Magny Cours endurance race, long enough to learn it imo :)

Do you also read what others say?
First of all it was during practice 2, because the last sentence you said was just after the next session loaded in qually.
Second, the rules were NOT discussed, only MENTIONED. Two completely different things. If somebody has doubts what the rules are, it's normal to tell what the rules are. Never during the session did we discuss whether the rules are correct or not.

The only reason the cut thing was brought up, was because somebody said: don't forget the cutting rule. Which might have caused people to doubt if they were up to date with the rules or not.

As a matter of fact I do.


A lot of things are being mentioned here and a discussion is never far away. One question was asked, two (different) answers were given. Usually this leads to a discussion. Better to stop it right away. If I'm wrong I apoligize.


Where during the session did I say you were discussing if the rules were right or not?


A lot of rules have been changed in the last few weeks. Reading the rules (as being mentioned in the race thread) would help. It sure would make my job an easier one :)

"A lot of things are being mentioned here and a discussion is never far away. Better to stop it right away. You had a chance to state the rule didn't you? If I'm wrong I apoligize."

I only mentioned everything once, and the things mentioned were only things which are on this site as well. I stopped talking as soon as qually started.

"Where during the session did I say you were discussing if the rules were right or not?"

During practice you said: stop discussing this here. In that conext it means discussing if it's right or wrong. During pratcice we can talk, so only when it was an unnecessary discussion it was understandable to stop it. But there were no opinions involved, only stating the written rules.

I'm bored with this discussion now :P so I'm locking the thread before Anything Bad(tm) happens.