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Title: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 02, 2019, 11:56:10 AM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=657&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

Car/Track download available by pm to WT

Track: Brno '65 GP

Car restrictions: Four drives maximum per Division. Check your car allowance here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iQ2h1wtcJVy_L6F4j52MSPJ2wG4hMrTMwhIog8tIgs8/edit?usp=sharing)

Points: We are recreating the scoring system that was used in the 1983 ETCC. Overall race result, top 6 scored 9-6-4-3-2-1, In each division, top 10 scored 20-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1.

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make.
Race: 20:40 (11 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: x2
Pit stops required: YES

Server: simracing.org.uk Wednesday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: No start lights or flagman so make sure you have the countdown timer switched on.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: MichaW on May 26, 2020, 10:27:29 PM +0100
Hello,

how can I drive tomorrow? Where can I find the necessary content?
Sorry, language barrier for me as a German.

best regards MichaW


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 26, 2020, 11:16:23 PM +0100
Hello,

how can I drive tomorrow? Where can I find the necessary content?
Sorry, language barrier for me as a German.

best regards MichaW
Hi, I've sent you a pm.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Hristo Itchov on May 27, 2020, 03:00:27 PM +0100
I was just testing the Metro, but it seems it's just 1-1.5 laps short of making the distance with a single stop. Was there any patch for its fuel tank/consumption or am I mistaking it for another car?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Geoffers on May 27, 2020, 03:07:40 PM +0100
All cars should need 2 stops Hristo, the last race at Mugello was a bit odd as the track seemed to have lower than normal fuel consumption.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: MichaW on May 27, 2020, 04:37:13 PM +0100
Hello,

how can I drive tomorrow? Where can I find the necessary content?
Sorry, language barrier for me as a German.

best regards MichaW
Hi, I've sent you a pm.


Thx a lot  :)

Glück auf!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 27, 2020, 04:39:50 PM +0100
It was the VW Golf that had the fuel tank patch.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: misnoimis on May 27, 2020, 07:21:57 PM +0100
I may try to join this evenings Rally…err Race. My H shifter has become unreliable :censored: so I may use it in sequential shifter mode.  :helpsmilie: My race may be a very short one. :scared:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: MichaW on May 27, 2020, 08:57:44 PM +0100
Disconnect at lap 2, what a pity  :(

was fun, cu guys

Glück auf!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: SpecialKS on May 27, 2020, 08:59:25 PM +0100
Lost connection at the end of lap one  :(

I never had disconnection problems in all these years. Changed my provider over a year ago (now Vodafone instead of Telekom)
and today it's not the first time that this happened.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: roguk on May 27, 2020, 09:01:31 PM +0100
Sorry guys had to leave, on the restart lost my car setup plus connection seemed iffy, car was a hazard to other drivers.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: EvilClive on May 27, 2020, 09:34:29 PM +0100
My car was fine, but I was the hazard!! apologies to Dan and Dominik who must have been inconvenienced by my crazy progress. In the end I think I broke it completely  ???
That Metro is an absolute pig  :-\ I was terrified of using the brakes , so had to coast and downshift into corners, the only thing in its favour was the straight line speed....plus I had gone for ultra high gears and only needed the one stop  :shifty:, but I never made it far enough to capitalise  :-\

I was in awe of Dimitar, who flew past me and stood on the brakes in his Metro without shooting off into the forest!!!

at least I have used the car and don't have to touch it again lol.

Grats to all the podium guys and to everyone who finished.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: misnoimis on May 27, 2020, 09:50:55 PM +0100
This evening was an experiment that failed. I didn’t know the track so had no idea when to brake. I had to swap from my ‘H’ shift setup to a sequential one that I wasn’t familiar with because the shifter was playing up. I let everyone past and toured round at the back for practice. Lots of bumps with walls and hay bales. I let someone past, lost concentration (again) and ended up facing the scenery. Then spent a couple of minutes trying to find reverse in sequential mode. I decided it didn’t exist but then had the bright idea to switch the shifter to ‘H’ mode. It worked so decided to continue driving in ‘H’ mode. The only problem was every time I selected 2nd gear it put me in reverse. I ended up sideways blocking the track so thought it a good time to end the comedy and retire to the pits. Must fix the shifter.

Grats winner and podiums. Some people must have worked hard to learn this track. :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 27, 2020, 09:57:23 PM +0100
This evening was an experiment that failed. I didn’t know the track so had no idea when to brake. I had to swap from my ‘H’ shift setup to a sequential one that I wasn’t familiar with because the shifter was playing up. I let everyone past and toured round at the back for practice. Lots of bumps with walls and hay bales. I let someone past, lost concentration (again) and ended up facing the scenery. Then spent a couple of minutes trying to find reverse in sequential mode. I decided it didn’t exist but then had the bright idea to switch the shifter to ‘H’ mode. It worked so decided to continue driving in ‘H’ mode. The only problem was every time I selected 2nd gear it put me in reverse. I ended up sideways blocking the track so thought it a good time to end the comedy and retire to the pits. Must fix the shifter.

Grats winner and podiums. Some people must have worked hard to learn this track. :clap: :clap: :clap:

What shifter do you need, I think I have a couple taking up space in my shed.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Dominick on May 27, 2020, 10:04:11 PM +0100
If anyone wondered about my bizarre behaviour: At my 2nd pitstop my crew chief never showed up. And although I must've been more or less in the right spot, nothing happened. I could quit, I could go around the buildings but that would have likely ended in a Wrong Way DQ so I decided to go round the track with 0.7 laps of fuel. I coasted a lot, short shifted by a mile, but I don't think I would have made it without a little pushing by Dan. Thanks mate, and that was funny.
Don't worry, I kept out of the way and if there had been as much of a hint of an incident threatening to happen, I'd ESC'ed in a flash.

Not much to say about the race otherwise. Everyone seemed to be in a league of their own with very little interaction. Not sure I'm a fan of multi class races to be honest.

One thingy that will shock Geoff and Daz: After some laps, I started to -wait for it- like the Escort.  :o

Grats to podium and the survivors.  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 27, 2020, 10:26:26 PM +0100
Results and replay now posted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: MichaW on May 27, 2020, 11:12:47 PM +0100
Disconnect at lap 2, what a pity  :(

was fun, cu guys

Glück auf!

Hi guys

is it allowed to drive the Alfa GTV again after my disconnect in Brno?

best regards


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 27, 2020, 11:20:21 PM +0100
Disconnect at lap 2, what a pity  :(

was fun, cu guys

Glück auf!

Hi guys

is it allowed to drive the Alfa GTV again after my disconnect in Brno?

best regards
Our rules are this: If your car is on the start grid at race start then it counts as one drive. However you could drive the Alfa GTV again as a bonus drive.

BTW Micha, can you fill in your Profile/Driver Details/Country then we can put a flag against your name in the results.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on May 27, 2020, 11:24:30 PM +0100
A race to forget, as expected.

Didnt like the track, didnt like the car...  :D

The first start was better for me, after the second i was even lower on the standings, and THAT JAGUAR POWER  ;D It was like one of those japanese trains .

The first pit stop was total disaster. I lost maybe 40 seconds there.

At the end it was terrible day at the office for me, but at least the recording is going to be fun to watch as i had so many ups and downs in the standings and few half take-offs.

Race replay with camera and commentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdvQriaOTYs


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: MichaW on May 28, 2020, 07:33:51 AM +0100
Disconnect at lap 2, what a pity  :(

was fun, cu guys

Glück auf!

Hi guys

is it allowed to drive the Alfa GTV again after my disconnect in Brno?

best regards
Our rules are this: If your car is on the start grid at race start then it counts as one drive. However you could drive the Alfa GTV again as a bonus drive.

BTW Micha, can you fill in your Profile/Driver Details/Country then we can put a flag against your name in the results.

good morning,

done it and thx 4 info

cu and Glück auf!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Erling G-P on May 28, 2020, 10:44:58 AM +0100
Tried the various cars I had not used yet for this race. When I got to the Rover SD1, I remembered Clive mentioning that Hristo had uploaded his setup in the previous race.  Decided to try it, as I've been far off the pace with that car before.  Setup turned out to be brilliant, making the car both the most enjoyable and the fastest among my options.  Now I must try to reverse engineer it, to see if I can figure out what makes it so good  :)

Didn't expect much from the start, as the Rover won't spin its wheels, even with revs at the limiter, so tends to bog down.  Alfa must be worse though, as I ended up stealing the lead from the two new aliens.  No too happy about the restart, as it dumped me from leading the race, to 14th on the grid!  ::)   When the restart went, it seemed like most other cars were moving backwards - I went from 14th to 2nd.  That qualifies as my best GTL start ever, with some margin!!  May have to reevaluate my perception about the SD1 and getting it off the line..  :D

Now I was behind Manfred however, but very unlikely that I could have kept him behind me the entire race, had we not had the restart, so in the end, I probably didn't lose out as a result.  On L1, I momentarily slipped into a ditch, letting Manfred stretch the gap and Micha close up behind me.  He was right on my tail at the start of lap 2, but then vanished.  With the unbeatable Manfred already gone, the rest of the race was completely lonely and uneventful.

Grats to Manfred on the win, and Hristo for filling the podium.  Commiserations to those with problems.

Misnoimis, when using a sequential shifter and wanting reverse, you must first put the car in neutral, and then downshift. To go forward again, you again put it in neutral and then upshift.  I have a button assigned for neutral on my wheel - can't remember what the default key for it is, but it's in the setup options.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: misnoimis on May 28, 2020, 12:03:39 PM +0100
This evening was an experiment that failed. I didn’t know the track so had no idea when to brake. I had to swap from my ‘H’ shift setup to a sequential one that I wasn’t familiar with because the shifter was playing up.
What shifter do you need, I think I have a couple taking up space in my shed.

Thanks Tony

I have a Logitech G25 with three gear change modes. “H”, Sequential and Pedals on the wheel. The “H” mode is now unreliable. I have a Logitech G27 I boxed up a few years ago. I have now traced it to the bottom of a full room height cupboard. I just need to move a table to fully open a door and about half a dozen boxes on top of it and I can set it up and try it. The shifter just had the “H” mode I’m sure.

I wouldn’t have stopped using it unless there was a problem. I think this was the same problem, the gear selector was failing.

I like to use the selector appropriate for the chosen cars in real life.

I guess any “H” selector that works with a G25/G27 will do. I will see if I can fix it first. If not I will PM you to see if we can work something out.

BTW I’m off to the golf club for my second attempt this year. The first turned out better than I feared. Somewhere between things can only get better or things can only go downhill from here. We will see.

Mike 


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: misnoimis on May 28, 2020, 12:19:23 PM +0100


Misnoimis, when using a sequential shifter and wanting reverse, you must first put the car in neutral, and then downshift. To go forward again, you again put it in neutral and then upshift.  I have a button assigned for neutral on my wheel - can't remember what the default key for it is, but it's in the setup options.

Thanks Erling (aka Coyote),
I should not have tried to race on this track without really practising but at least I have learnt something.  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Erling G-P on May 28, 2020, 01:29:52 PM +0100

One thingy that will shock Geoff and Daz: After some laps, I started to -wait for it- like the Escort.  :o

The Escort is nice! - I liked it a lot in the race where I used it  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Erling G-P on May 28, 2020, 01:42:56 PM +0100
Lost connection at the end of lap one  :(

I never had disconnection problems in all these years. Changed my provider over a year ago (now Vodafone instead of Telekom)
and today it's not the first time that this happened.

You and Micha both disconnected at the exact same time; 360 secs into the replay.  Seems an unlikely coincidence, so could it be the higher than usual number of drivers, coupled with the track perhaps, causing the server to drop you both ?

Seem to recall that there have been other tracks with problems if a certain number of drivers were exceeded.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Hristo Itchov on May 28, 2020, 04:45:24 PM +0100
Not much to report here. I knew it was probably going to be a lonely race, judging from the lap time gaps in practice and qualifying. As Clive says, the Metro has a decent top speed for its engine, but making it stop was a huge challenge. I spent over an hour trying to figure out the setup so it wouldn't just spin out of control. In the end it was more about just lift and coast, with a slight application of braking, than actually getting any near the limit of the tyres. A lock up and you're gone into the scenery. Which is what I did in the race, twice, losing over 30 seconds in total.

All of that was irrelevant though, because the gap up to Erling ahead and Matt behind were big enough anyway. I kinda began to enjoy throwing the car around in the twisty bits, because it's has very good cornering, but those endless straights made me feel like the race was never going to end. At least I finally had 2 mistake-free pitstops. Only thing that puzzled me was why my 2nd stop was just as long as the 1st one, despite putting 10 liters less in the tank.

Oh, I have to mention the entertaining moment near the end when I first saw Dom discussing his fuel woes and then Dan coming to the rescue, then actually passing both of them as Dan was pushing Dom to try and reach the pitlane. Czech towing service coming to the rescue or pushing service rather!  ;D

Congrats to Manfred for a dominant drive and Erling for 2nd, and to all who survived!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Geoffers on May 28, 2020, 05:43:02 PM +0100
Like most it was a fairly lonely race for me after the first lap. This was probably not helped by having a spin late on lap 1 which put me right at the back & also my pitstop strategy of having the short stint first, although in hindsight this was probably wrong. Lost 7th on the final lap when I rolled the car & then set off in the wrong direction when it righted itself. Must have given Dimitar a fright when I was heading towards him  :o.

Congrats to Manfred, Erling & Hristo  :clap: :clap: :clap: & also to Daz winning the 1600s. :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: SpecialKS on May 28, 2020, 05:50:39 PM +0100
Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2020/27052020_Brno65)

 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 1983 European Touring Cars - Brno - May 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 28, 2020, 06:24:48 PM +0100
Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2020/27052020_Brno65)

 8)
Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1: