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Title: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 02, 2019, 04:01:12 PM +0000
Championship Standings here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=676&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (50 laps)

Track: Lakeside Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/file/v0lq2upbzu2k9e0/Lakeside.zip/file)

Cars allowed

AC Ace Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_ac_ace)
Aston Martin DBR1 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_aston_dbr1)
Austin Healey 100 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_healey100s)
Jaguar D-Type (1955) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_jag_dtype)
Mercedes 300SL (LM55) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_merc_300sl_lm55)


Car restrictions: Two drives maximum per make. Check your car allowance here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pTy722pON5Z73Ra2ErZEMKlsniW1DIwmhYfTvc3gOx8/edit?usp=sharing)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit stops: Not required

Server: simracing.org.uk Wednesdays
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: phspok on November 14, 2020, 04:00:26 PM +0000
Is there nothing on Monday?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 14, 2020, 04:17:19 PM +0000
Is there nothing on Monday?
Hill climb at NoGrip


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: phspok on November 14, 2020, 05:18:00 PM +0000
Thanks Tony, all I can see in the ex no grip forum is the last Monza double event.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Geoffers on November 14, 2020, 05:32:33 PM +0000
Thanks Tony, all I can see in the ex no grip forum is the last Monza double event.

Nappe hasn't posted up the event yet, but it should be Puech Arnal hillclimb for Div 0.5 cars. You may have the course installed as Nappe used it earlier in the year for Div 1 cars.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on November 18, 2020, 04:13:27 PM +0000
Just tried the car and track combination here. It is a lot of fun. Maybe the biggest fun in the championship so far too. I hope for a big grid and a lot of battles. :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: SpecialKS on November 18, 2020, 08:53:57 PM +0000
Nice track, but the DBR1 possibly wasn't the right choice for it & no time for praccy at all.  :P

CU next week.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 18, 2020, 09:08:48 PM +0000
I just gave up as I was considerably slower than everyone else and didn't want to get in the way.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Erling G-P on November 18, 2020, 10:13:06 PM +0000
Apologies to Matt, Fulvio & Geoffers for the L1 incident. No other options left than the dreadful Jag. Impossible to drive and just wouldn't stop, even more so on cold tyres.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 18, 2020, 10:18:12 PM +0000
Results and replay now posted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 18, 2020, 10:21:42 PM +0000
Our second Championship of nasty 2020 comes to an end. Lets give a big fist bump to our Champion

1) Geoffers  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

2) Erling G-P  :thumbup2: :thumbup2:

3) Daz9  :clap:

Well done guy's and thanks to everyone who took part  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Daz9 on November 18, 2020, 10:29:30 PM +0000
Ooo, I made a podium.... :punk:

Grats to Geoffers and Erling, good consistency all season by the looks of it. :clap: :thumbup2:

Drove better tonight than for a little while, which was surprising as I don't really like the 50s stuff too much, never responds too well to my less than gentle touch, and I always run out of tires.

Took the Merc, but the Healey in the hands of Dimitar was the class of the field tonight, and there was nothing I could do to stay with him. Was more than happy when the race finished, as a couple of laps on what I had left for tires would have been just terrible, and would have involved spins and offs for sure....

Grats to all.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Geoffers on November 19, 2020, 09:06:14 AM +0000
Another abysmal performance from me again, I seem to have lost the plot in GTL recently.  :-\

Had the Jag & the AC to chose from & a few practice laps in each confirmed that the AC was far easier to drive. I could not keep the D-type on track for more than a couple of laps, so all credit to Erling for getting to the finish in it.

For the second week running I got involved in a first lap incident, but with 49 laps left it was no big deal. However attempting a pass on Kurt a few laps later, I got on the grass & pushed Kurt off track, apologies Kurt. After waiting I was now well behind the rest of the field & it took many laps to finally catch up with Erling & luckily got past when he drifted onto the grass, the same thing happening when I caught Matt.
I was now catching Andy but when I ran a bit wide onto the S/F straight I got my 3rd cut track & an SG. After serving it I was now dead last again & after a few more laps was getting a bit bored of circulating on my own at the back & losing concentration. The errors got more frequent & with about 5 laps left I pulled over just before the finish line & waited for the race to finish.  :surrender:

Not really the way to win the championship though. >:(

Congrats to DD, Daz & Fulvio  :clap: :clap: :clap: & congrats to Erling & Daz on the championship podium.  :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Erling G-P on November 19, 2020, 01:04:53 PM +0000
Grats to Geoffers on the championship and to DD & Co on the podium.

No other options than the hopeless Jag, as mentioned earlier.  Thankfully my 2nd place in the Championship was secure already.  An extremely hypothetical chance of winning it, but that would have required a no-show from Geoff and at least a 2nd place from me, so completely impossible as it was.

Apologies again for the L1 incident. In addition to the difficulty of wrestling the Jag round, I was very much last after waiting for the involved to rejoin ahead.  Gained a couple of places when others had problems, but then lost time repeatedly when the car just understeered off track.  One by one, the drivers I could potentially have raced, left.  Very tempted to do the same, instead of plugging on to be lapped twice, which was frankly ridiculously, but have a stubborn streak and tend to see things through till the end.  Not unhappy to see the finish line in this race though..


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on November 19, 2020, 01:50:14 PM +0000
As i said, this car and track combination was my favorite from the championship. The car's sliding was great for the long corners here and man, it was so much fun.

Before the race i didn't wanted to test all of the cars i am allowed to drive with, as i think only the Aston Martin was locked for me, so i open the standings and saw that in the constructor championship Austin Healey is leading, so i decided to go with that car.  ;D

And after the firs lap i knew that this will be the car for me tonight. Little by little i was able to find the right setting for the car and the big difference was moving to Vintage tires which gave me few more seconds per lap.

At the qualy i was able to beat my PB and i was able to start from P1

At the start everything was OK, i was able to stay away from trouble and continue in P1. From now on i knew that Daz and Clive will challenge me and i must stay focused. It was me and Daz now chasing each other after Clive had some problems. And Daz had great consistency and lap time. I was just faster but had to stay focused all the time and give 100% to keep the gap comfortable.

At the end i thing the win was clearly because i had the best car, as Daz really made great race with his Mercedes.

Congrats to Geoff for the title and to Coyote for the silver medal and Daz for the podium here and the Bronze. Congrats to Fulvio for the podium as well.  :sorcerer:

Race replay with camera and commentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuMbpL4Sp60&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: SpecialKS on November 19, 2020, 07:10:47 PM +0000
Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2020//18112020_Lakeside)

 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 19, 2020, 07:13:34 PM +0000
Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2020//18112020_Lakeside)

 8)
Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: fpolicardi on November 19, 2020, 10:07:43 PM +0000
At the end of the race I apologized to Geoff for rearending him at T1 cause I braked a bit late cause my foot slided on the brake pedal  :-[
Then watching replay I found that it was helped by Erling Jag that hit me and Matt, so a sort of domino  ;D
I waited for Geoff to restart but then we were in good company with Matt and Erling waiting each other so with my great surprise I found that Geoff wasn't so good in the AC and he let me by gently when I try a pass at last turn. After some offs by Matt and Erling my target was Tony that I passed cause a mistake by him at T1. The next was Andy that was on the same machinery so very difficult to pass even if in some places I was faster. I decided to follow him without battle too much to not overheat tires, but Andy had a moment at T1 and I passed.
At that point Clive was 14 sec. ahead and we had the same pace so no chance to catch him till XD said he was stopped at two lap to go. I was lapped by Dimitar and soon after at the last lap I passed a red car that I thought Tony. Watching replay I found it was Clive that had some offs in the last two laps and the server must have DQed him, but he ended 4th right behind me.
Congrats Geoff for champ, and I am happy to finish forth even if I couldn't attend some races.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: EvilClive on November 20, 2020, 09:07:44 AM +0000
Grats to the race winners and the championship winners.

Fulvio is right about about something "odd" happening around lap 45, when the server appears to have decided it did not like me. Until then I was content in 3rd place. DD and Daz were just a little too quick and I found that I was able to adjust my pace to maintain the  14 sec gap to Fulvio.
I was so confused and distracted by my sudden loss of a lap, and 2 places, that I totally lost concentration, spending more time looking at the positions on HUD ( expecting them to self correct, but they didn't!!).  Please do not bother about correcting any results Tony, it is of little overall importance and I am really not bothered.

Of more interest to me was something that Dimitar pointed out when we met on the practice server on Wed afternoon.
 I had seen, and simply passed over/ignored,  the sliders in the CONTROLS settings that adjust the sensitivity levels.  Mine were all at 100% and had never been changed since I started GTL!! When DD told me that his "Accelerator" was set at 5% I was stunned. Well of course, I had to try some adjustments. 5% was just too alien, too soon, but I then spent about 30 mins offline experimenting, The result was that for the first time I could drive a car with the Vintage tyres. Previously I had discounted them as undriveable and opted for the alternatives, which appeared to wear out faster.

The race was the true test, and I discovered that a setting of 50% preserved my tyres and dialled out some of the tank slappers that I have always struggled with. I still need to tweak and test, but maybe this explains why I destroy my tyres faster than some of you other guys.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on November 20, 2020, 07:08:22 PM +0000
I am happy to help Clive, but bear in mind that the less percentage means less sensitivity.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Erling G-P on November 22, 2020, 04:36:39 PM +0000

Of more interest to me was something that Dimitar pointed out when we met on the practice server on Wed afternoon.
 I had seen, and simply passed over/ignored,  the sliders in the CONTROLS settings that adjust the sensitivity levels.  Mine were all at 100% and had never been changed since I started GTL!! When DD told me that his "Accelerator" was set at 5% I was stunned. Well of course, I had to try some adjustments. 5% was just too alien, too soon, but I then spent about 30 mins offline experimenting, The result was that for the first time I could drive a car with the Vintage tyres. Previously I had discounted them as undriveable and opted for the alternatives, which appeared to wear out faster.

The race was the true test, and I discovered that a setting of 50% preserved my tyres and dialled out some of the tank slappers that I have always struggled with. I still need to tweak and test, but maybe this explains why I destroy my tyres faster than some of you other guys.


Just checked my settings Clive.  They were all 51%.  Can't recall having messed with them tbh, so can't say how mine arrived at that level.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Geoffers on November 22, 2020, 04:43:00 PM +0000
50% is supposed to give you a linear response from the pedals. I think DD's 5% will mean that he has not a lot of response in the first part of pedal travel but a fast response in the last part. Your 100% Clive would give a fierce response early in the travel & less response in the upper part of the travel, which is why you may have struggled with snap oversteer.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: EvilClive on November 24, 2020, 02:02:58 PM +0000
Thanks for the responses guys. I did try DD's 5% setting and it gave a totally different "feel" to the car. I have been simracing for around 20yrs now and this is the first time that I have even contemplated the "settings" issue.

What it has clearly demonstrated thus far, is that I steer a car using the throttle, far more than I realised that I did. Dimitar's 5% worked with his setup ( although it felt wierd ) but when I tried it with one of mine, the car understeered like a super tanker!!

Geoff's comment regarding my snap oversteer is probably spot on, and I now need to find time/bother to do some practice runs, educate my right foot and get used to actually "steering" the car around a corner instead of provoking some oversteer and sliding through the apex with a handful of opposite lock.

Ah!? How to change the habits of a lifetime  ::) This might be a slow evolution lol.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: Erling G-P on November 24, 2020, 07:02:32 PM +0000
We're all used to the 'Clive style' by now - heaven forbid you should start to drive civilized...  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 20 The Fifties - Lakeside - Nov 18
Post by: fpolicardi on November 24, 2020, 07:23:09 PM +0000
We're all used to the 'Clive style' by now - heaven forbid you should start to drive civilized...  ;D
LOL I was posting the same  :laugh: