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Track: Le Mans (Bugatti) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg128898#post_lemans_bugatti)

Cars allowed: Renault 5 GT Turbo Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/file/21u830t7aryfcuh/GameData.zip/file)


RACE TWO

Practice: ~20:55 (5 mins)
Qualifying: ~21:00 (10 mins) NOTE: 1st and 2nd place drivers from Race One will not take part in qualifying
Race: ~21:10 (12 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: 2x
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None

*Bump*

Sorry, but that memory, you know

Sorry could only make one race.  Neighbor get together this PM, pot luck supper.  Grats to the podiums!!!!!!!!!

Bob M.

1st Race was appalling for me  :o I had made a standard "mini ish" setup. lots of front grip etc
and it was ok at first, but at half way point it became undrivable, was almost no rear left tyre left
and the rear right was nearly shot as well. Fronts were not yet half worn. I went to pit
but I had left autopit on for this copy, and it stopped the car at an angle like a Le Mns start, and
drive back and forward as much as I liked, they would not do anything, so quit.

2nd Race I used the default setup with just a tweak for brakes and steering, and it lasted much better
finished the race with nothing left on both left tyres, with lots left on the right.

Is the 2x tyre wear intentional? seems over the top with these cars to me. Pit stops should not
be needed for a 12 lap double sprint I would have thought?

Managed a lucky win as Tony was keeping back the much faster Geoff and Erling  :thumbup1:
Geoff almost snatched the win at the final corner as I went wobbly a few corners earlier
and again at the final turn.

I agree that pit stops shouldn't be considered for these sprint races.

2x TW was deliberate as I thought it would add an extra dimension to these races; cars becoming harder to control as the races progressed.

But if the consensus is for normal TW then of course I will change it.

Fair enough. just feels to me that the tyre wear on these is much worse than most.

Like Matt I really suffered appalling tyre wear in the first race, left rear was at 81 on XD at the end & it was very nearly impossible to drive on the last lap with the car intent on swapping ends on RHers. So rather lucky to hang on to 2nd place.

Had a big decision to make for race 2, stick with the setup & drive much easier or take a stab in the dark & make major changes. Went for the latter option & softened the rear suspension & moved brake bias way more to the front (10 notches in fact). Did a quick run during the qually session to check driveability, which seemed OK, so went with the changes for the race.

Race 2 was great fun, changes to setup worked & tyre wear was much less, only just in the 40s at the end. Had some great battling with Tony & Erling & very nearly caught Matt at the end.

Congrats to Erling & Matt on their wins & to Tony on his podium.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

One thing I noted was I seemed to be quicker on the straights than everyone else, now that may have a little to do with setup & gearing, but, are the rest of you using the additional setup options? In there you have a rear wing setting, even though as far as I am aware the car doesn't have one, but it does make quite a difference to the car's straight line speed I discovered. I had mine set on 3 which I think is somewhat less than default. Worth checking.

I am not using any of the additional setup things. I did turn off autoclutch half way through race 2 to get a better speed
on the straights. For front drive manual clutch usually works well, for some cars with unrealistic engine braking
it's safer for me to use autoclutch.

p.s How do you get the additional setups? I remember something about it, but don't have a link
Also, people talk about tyre wear numbers in XD, all I get is a bar that works it way down from green to red, to nothing

First of all a 1000 thanks to Geoffers for finally solving the mystery about lightening starts that’s been haunting me for very long.  No matter what I’ve tried, my car always started moving very slowly, while others (you know who you are ;)) seemingly jumps off the line.  At times I’ve even found myself wondering if people were using launch control cheats, if something like that even exists for GTL, but somehow couldn’t believe any of our crowd would resort to that.

Geoffers’ suggestion that it might be auto clutch slowing me down, turned out to be true.  I’m apparently one of few using it, and while I have a clutch pedal and use it for the starts, auto clutch influences them still.  With it off, the car starts moving much more abruptly, and requires quite a different approach to the revs used at the start.

I can switch it on again once moving, like Geoff suggested, but if I screw things up, I might still stall the engine. How do you start it again when that happens ?   Game has both ‘Ignition’ and ‘Start’ functions, and I tried mapping both to various buttons on my wheel & keyboard keys, but only in 1½ times out of countless tries, did I get the engine to start, after deliberately stalling it. In all other tries, nothing happened when I pressed the buttons (tried both with and without using the ignition button)

Race 1:
Geoffers cemented his alien dna with a truly out-of-this-world qual time. When the flag dropped however, it was for once me jumping him. Couldn’t help chuckling over this the first laps – that’s the thanks you get for your kind help!  :)   Truth be told though, it was probably more down to Geoffers getting a real bad start, rather than me making stellar use of his suggestions, although it definitely played a part.
First half of the race was a close battle with Geoffers, but then he suddenly vanished around the Dunlop bridge.  Held a gap of around 5 secs the rest of the race, as long as I kept a decent pace.

Race 2:
This was so hilariously funny that it should probably have been illegal  ;D
Started last, but again the new start worked brilliantly. Couldn’t believe how Geoffers & I advanced through the field over the first few meters, but then he put on the anchors sooner than anticipated when we neared the Dunlop bridge. Nearly yanked my wheel off the table trying to avoid hitting him!!  :o   That let Tony slip past again.  Remainder of the race was a mad scrap between Tony, Geoffers & I.  Dunno what Matt hat put in the brown envelope for Tony, but it certainly worked!  He wasn’t taking any prisoners last night – my nose still smarts after the number of times he slammed the door in my face...  :wetfish:  With Geoffers I lost count of the number of times we swapped places, and likewise the number of times I had the car on two wheels.  Finally found a way around Tony, but couldn’t keep Geoffers behind towards the end.

Grats to Matt on his win, & Tony + Geoff for the podiums.

With regards to tyre wear; values were much higher than what I would normally run with, but the car remained quite manageable. Had wear values up to around 45 on the left rear.

Matt, I also have the bars in XD, but there’s a number associated with them too.  I believe it’s above (or below) the bars – can’t check right now.

Am using the advanced setup, but didn’t change the wing setting. Can’t recall exactly how to get it, but it was something that needs to be installed IIRC.

How do you get the additional setups? https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14422.msg261889#msg261889

Also, people talk about tyre wear numbers in XD, all I get is a bar that works it way down from green to red, to nothing

Check your XD.ini file

; Show tyre wear also in numbers
; 0 = Disabled
; 1 = Enabled (default)
ShowTyreWearInNumbers=1

@ Erling

I use Auto-clutch  :laugh:

Two glasses of red wine with my pre-race dinner may be the reason my driving was a little more aggresive than usual, sorry  ;)

Um, I have tyre wear in numbers set, maybe I just never noticed it.....; :whistling:
You were a bit shoot first ask questions later Tony..  :o

Erling, regarding 'start' & 'ignition'. If you stall the engine you only need to press 'start' to restart the engine, you only need 'ignition' to turn off the engine. However if you have pressed 'ignition' you need to press it again before you can restart the engine. The default cars & some add-ons will auto restart if you have it enabled, others need to be manually restarted, a few though will not restart at all if you stall the engine.

Hi i just used default setup with extra fuel in races, tires shot by end of race so would vote for normal tire wear. I use auto clutch so perhaps i should reinstall my clutch pedal for starts.
  Also had this problem here any answers?
 (I had a few anomaly's with XD in race XD stopped telling me info on fuel after lap 5 also drivers in front would be shown as behind and some drivers as DNF when they were still racing, i have XD 2.1.16 (is this the correct one ?) also have had these problems in other races.)

Grats to Erling and Matt on wins

Grats to Podiums

As if real life traffic isn't enough - now we have to deal with drunken drivers in simracing too  ;D



Thanks Geoff; that's actually what I thought - and tried repeatedly.  I could hear if ignition was on or off - a weird sort of electrical, squeaky noise best describes it.  I only tried the Renault yesterday, so wonder if it's one of the cars where it doesn't work.  Weird though that it did start 1½ times - once it almost started, but then died again and wouldn't start, and once it started right away when I pressed the 'start' button after stalling it.

Roger; didn't look at the fuel situation in XD, and don't have the driver roster active, so can't say if it was acting up.  The pit board was weird though - when Geoffers went off in race 1, it showed a gap of 18 secs next time I passed start. One lap later, it was only 4 secs. Not even Geoffers could gain that much on me in one lap, so I thought someone hat hit 'escape' and jumped to the pits. Next lap, it was 5 secs however, and remained in that ballpark for the rest of the race, so clearly something wasn't quite right.

I have autostart for most installations of this. One for some reason won't go into neutral with the paddles
I have to use the neutral key(probably because I have set one) If I have left it in a gear then it will try to
start but die immediately

Regarding XD.............

2.1.16 is the latest version. Go here if you need to upgrade http://www.vitumo.de/

My drivers position table was also messing around last night. It's something to do with the track mod rather than XD itself I think.

Occasionally I get the fuel problem with XD when it stops telling me the estimated # of laps left with current fuel load/use. I last had it at Dundrod which wasn't helpful.

Result_Race 2 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2020/01012020_Bugatti_R2)

 8)

After Race One I made some changes concerning the setup, but obviously in the wrong direction: hardened the suspension and increased tyre pressure,
but no changes concerning tyre wear and slightly slower during the race.

Unfortunately couldn't catch Roger in the last corners, but was another fun race.

Thanks for the hints concerning the setup. Only realized the possible increase of the rev limit, not the rear wing stuff. Will give it a try.

Hi Thanks for replies Erling and Tony perhaps i spend to much time looking at XD.

RE: auto clutch have assigned a button to switch auto clutch off and on the only difference i notice is gear change smooth with on and slightly joggy with off no difference at start. If i fit clutch pedal can you slip clutch in GTL for start?

My first car was a Fiat Ritmo 100S. I had a few friends with so-called hot hatches with whom we made, erm..., quiet strolls down the country lanes (yeah, that). One of them had a Renault 5 GT Turbo. Now I do have a lousy memory but I can still categorically, unequivocally confirm that that car did NOT have a rear wing. It's no wonder that setup is still a Dark Force to me even after a decade when you apparently have to tweak non present car parts!
I think I picked out an R5 TC because I couldn't keep up with anyone, let alone challenge them, unless they made a big mistake. Given the number of races still to come, I'll have to beg, steal or borrow a setup so I can at least be part of the fun. Here's looking at you, Mr. 1.51.762  ;D

Congratulations to the podiums and I bow to all who understand setup, lol.

Dom, check out the online setups, folder 'ETCC83', there is a setup in there for the Renault along with all the other cars for the upcoming 83 ETCC series. I may have tweeked it a bit for Le Mans but it is basically what I used on Wednesday. Oh yeah you probably will need to move the brake bias much more to the front, I think I ran 65/35 in race 2 to help the tyres.

With auto clutch on and using a clutch pedal at the start, it seems the game 'auto slips' the clutch - no matter how quickly I drop the pedal, the car always starts moving slowly.  Just did some experimentation with auto clutch off. You CAN slip the clutch, but it was with the merest of travel of the pedal, so really difficult to do.  Can't say if setting a larger dead zone might help.

How did you assign a button for auto clutch?   I would like to do that, but can't find it among the functions you can assign to buttons in GTL.  Did you use an external key mapping software or driver setting ?


Also experimented with starting a stalled engine. Managed to start it in most cases. Wasn't aware that there's a small delay from you hit the starter button, till the car actually starts.  Sometimes though, it would enter a 'mode' where it wouldn't start, but a combination of putting it in and out of gear, pressing and letting go of the clutch, and possibly fiddling with ignition too, usually got it started again.  Also found it very easy to jumpstart the car, if on an incline and rolling, even very slowly. Pressing the clutch, entering a gear and then dropping the pedal gets it started - in both forward and reverse, depending on the direction it's rolling in.

Hi Erling  in controls select keyboard then clutch assign a key i use q, be careful after doing this i had to re assign my wheel and pedals.

Thanks, but that's the clutch function itself isn't it ?    Can't find anywhere to assign the auto clutch toggle on/off to a button.

Thanks also for the warning, but went wrong anyway - as soon as you click 'keyboard', your wheel is lost it seems.

I think that Auto-Clutch is enabled/disabled only through the Control Panel.

No, you can toggle it on/off with 'F2', so it can be done on the fly while you're on track. I would just like to assign a wheel button for it, but as far as I can tell, it necessitates using a key mapping software, to put 'F2' on a wheel button.

Ah yes, that is correct. Forgot the F key functions  ::)