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UKGTL Ladder - "Back to the 70s" at Anderstorp (GP)

This is the second race of the new rolling ranking a.k.a. 'the Ladder'. All members welcome.

Date: Thursday 29th June

Practice: 20:30 (15 mins)
Qualifying: 20:45 (20 mins)
Race: 21:05 (20 laps = ~40 mins)

Cars allowed: Any GTC-TC-76; special guest car: the GT-40
Time of day: 12:00 (midday)

Server: UKGTL Ladder
Password: See this post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1665.0)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7). Note in particular that we will be using the new pit lane speed limiter starting procedure.
(3) General information on the ladder can be found on the series home page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=25).

ps. We're allowing a full selection cars from the '76 class because we want to see whether the ladder will influence the faster people to take lower rated cars.

Which track. And is there a link to the points per car, or am I being blind in both questions ::)

Yes mate, new glasses required i'm affraid.   ;)
Anders and https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=25&scoring=38#ch38

Interesting - the Escort has the best rating
Gotta try it out - perhaps, just perhaps there is a big fault there mates (along with the Corvette being far worse off than the 911's).
The Schnitzer CSL also looks tempting

Yeah, now you say it like that, it is strange. The Escort is very underrated which makes it very tempting. Dunno why the '69 Vette is seen as better than the 911 beats me ???. Only at Monza is the Vette easier faster. On the other tracks it's a struggle to beat the 911's.

Please read the whole race announcement and not just the title. :P

The Escort, like the bigger Corvette, is very hard to drive fast for a race distance. That's why it gets a "good value" rating.

We will be tweaking the ratings as we get more experience with the ladder of course. :)

d'OH :oops: I was looking in the title like it did with the Zolder race. And seeing that the rest is the same (20 laps) I thought copy-paste was your friend again...my bad :ban:

Edit: Aaaah, now I see, the original post and thread is edited. Now I look even more stupid ;D

I'll probably go with the Pantera, because in this class it's by far my fost favourite car. And seeing that I utterly hate this track and suck at it, I atleast want to have a fun car.   

I know it would be more fair for faster drivers to take slower cars, but I'd rather win at the track, than in paper with the pointsystem. Just my look at it, that's all. :-*

Think I'll take the 911.

Capri all the way! O0

911 For me....for real and virtually  8)

Unless my NTL connection magically fixes itself before Thursday I wont be able to attend.
 :'( :'( :'( :'(

911 or Escort... basically whichever I spin less in a quick praccy after tea tonight  ;)

Shame so many 911's. That's the public-server-wreckers-car :D

It's the only car I could manage 2 consecutive clean laps, so figured it would be the most stable for me to try race with.

Oh, it's not a problem. But when you drive online all you see is 911's. That takes away the variety. I would love to see some Pantera's, Vettes and Escorts.

I'm not sure about the escort, but you don't want a beginner like me trying to race online in a 'Vette or Pantera. Not only would it be hell for me, I'd probably end up take a few out with me

Try the faster Capri - personally I find it much easier to handle than the 911.

Oversteers far too much for my liking, and setup options are limited making it hard to get rid of it. I spent about 2 hours and 50 laps getting the 911 setup to my liking, and another 70 laps getting somewhat comfortable with it. For the time being I need to concentrate on learning to drive. Once I can I'll get adventurous with my car choice.

Holy mozes, that's some practice laps. I can't remember ever doing that :o. Atleast you are dedicated to racing.
Were all those laps close to eachother, were you consinstent. If so, you'll have a good chance of finishing in the top 10.
What was you time anyway?

At the moment I can lap pretty consistently in the 1:45s usually a few 10ths between depending how badly I take some of the corners. Put my best splits together I'd probably be dropping into the high 1:43s, but at the moment my PB is a 1:44.6. Looking at gplrank I wouldn't be surprised if pole this evening will be in the 1:39s so I still have 5 seconds to find ... just not for this race;) I've only been driving on and off a couple months, and seeing as I've never driven either the car or the track I need all the practice I can get. It's funny how all the laps add up when you get into it, though I have a sneaking suspicion theres 20-30 aborted laps in there too. This is over 3 days though, so I doubt 40 laps a day is particularly excessive.

One tiny advice...never look at GTLrank when you wanna know what you are up against. There a some fake times floating around, but also some extreme times. The problem with these times is that you have no idea what aids they were using or if it was a one-lap-wonder setup.
1:43's aren't bad times. I bet if I get in a 911 I wouldn't even get there.

I don't look at the top times, generally I aim for the top Irish times which I managed to beat this time out, but the times that I was watching were those set by SROU members which look to be mainly in the 1:41-142s.

Bloddy fantastic  >:( - I acctually do some practise for the race and am really looking forward to it and than when I turn on my comp my graphics card dies on me. Really pissed about that -  it was a relativly fresh card too - only about four months that I have it (maybe even less). Gonna send it to the shop tommorow  >:(   - hope you guys have a good race.

Thought I'd try the 911 today....Wish i'd stuck with 906. 906 next time me thinks :P
spun off  few times in the braking zone :( Need to praccy more. Hope the rest of you had a good race ;D

punted off yet again :censored: :cursing:, left me more or less at the back of the field(had a nice battle with don over a few laps, then he slid off somewhere), after that going round with nobody anywhere near to race, still p*ssed off i  hit escape and quit which i very rarely do, but i am getting totally f**ked off with being rear end/punted off the track. Cant remember last race where i finished without being hit :censored:

starting to wonder if all the practice is worth the bother if this is how my races are going to end up.............. :(

rant over

Horrible race for me there. Slipped off one of the banked turns on the formation lap. Managed to get into a good rythmn for a few laps, catching the guys ahead of me,  until I had to drive off the track to avoid hitting someone recovering from an off. This left me with no grip into the next corner it seems and my race was more or less over from there. It took me about 6-8 laps of constant spins and offs before I could find some grip again, but even then it seemed sporadic.

Good race for me , spent 17 laps driving around by myself   :(,  pretty pleased with result about as much i could expect agaisnt the Panteras.
Cheers

Well that was a frustrating affair for me, think I must have left the track at least 6 times (my own fault all of them).
Couldn't find any speed on the straights in the Escort, those Capri's just ate me up :(  (don't know how you managed it Dan?)
Had a bit of a ding dong with Gizmo, Flybri, Jams and wills for a while so not all lost ;D all clean stuff.
Bloody hell I'm going to have to practice a hell of a lot more :'(

In qually I was behind Greg for my first lap, and his draft made me do a PB ;D. The next lap I improved that to a 1:39.2, which is my PB by over a sec. Dunno where that came from ???.

The race started well I think. I had the limiter on pretty early, to give the field enough time to close up.
The first half of the race LeH was following me pretty closely. I could hear he was using autoclutch, so I knew I would win on acceleration. Therefore I didnt risk too much on braking. So I could see him close up every time after the straight. When the backmarkers came we were ripped apart.
Talking about backmarkers, all in all it was very good. Some went to the side, some stayed on the line and didn;t do any crazy stuff. There was just one car I had a paintswap with.

@ Pero: Shame you weren't there. I was wondering what it was. And I can remember that your card isn't old. If you bought it in the shop you are lucky (if it's close) so you can confront them directly. That's what I dislike about online shopping. The warranty when something gives up the ghost.

@ Flybri: I know that feeling. What you might wanna try is start from the back. Might sound drastic, but you can win so much by just driving consistent, and that way the race can be awesome. Some of my best races were by  starting from the back.

Bad luck Pero.  :(

Very enjoyable race, but hard work. Took the 911 and qualified 7th with a decent time, and finished 4th as a few cars went off. Lapped very consistantly in the mid 1:42s. Had a great battle with JohnnyDee. Knew his Pantera would be a real handful and kept him under pressure, but he held me off for a well deserved podium.  :)

The start worked very well again, good idea of Zacari's.  :thumbup1:

Make sure you report it!

Well I don't know about toally clean - I think I have some of your paint as evidence... ;) :P :laugh:

That was hard - drove well for my standards and managed a 144.6! - way slower than the guys at the top who were flying. I need to spend a bit more time practising as the standard is very good here  :thumbup1:

Had some good racing though, the best for a while, although i couldnt get past 14th! I seemed to start loose a bit of grip (or concentration) after lap 13 :'(

Great race though - thanks ppl  ;)

Is anyone uploading a replay??

Great one for me, woohoo!!  Best finish and a perfect race!!  And a new PB in qual, too.

Locutos, I was driving on ice with you in front of me, LOL!  Couldn't face the thought of another doofy move.  Hate to see you go off, of course, but it was a big relief to me.

Then it was me and MichaelB all the way.  That was a great drive!  For all but a couple laps I had that growling 911 in my ears.  Somewhere around lap 16-17 I noticed you were steadily gaining so I cranked up the speed just a bit and got 2 seconds or so, just enough to keep till the end, but you were catching again.  ;)  Super fun!

Grats to Ruskus & LeH!

PS -- Yes, finally a good formation lap!!  I think I saw something ahead of me out of turn 1, but it was hard to see around Locutos's Pantera in front of me.  The actual start was perfect from what I could see, in front and behind.  Well done guys!

     -=> J <=-

Tough going as always in these old beauties.

Qualied 10th in close fought qually sesh.

Stayed 10th for a while chasing after Dan in his Escort, then found myself in 9th after JonM went off. Stayed 9th for virtually the whole race apart from when JonM claimed it back....only for him to fall off the track again :P
Had great battle with Bernie Lomax who seemed to find more pace in the latter stages...or was i slowing down ::) and we swapped places a few times with some great close racing.
All was going well with a 1-2 sec gap back to Bernie when on turn 1 on the very last lap, the Porker seemed to just oddly go out of shape and bounce me about a bit, so i skidded off onto grass and lost 16 seconds and two sodding places...grrr :'(
I seem to have a last lap curse so far in this ladder series. :(

Finished in 11th...the lowest i had been the entire race, how annoying  ;)

Great pace in top 10 as always.  8)

Download mine HERE (http://www.easy-sharing.com/538304/Anderstorp GP.Vcr.html) while you wait for the official one ;D

Quite a good race for me in the end. Qualifying was a bit of a disaster and I ended up quite a lot further down the order than I expected but the start was nice and clean and the limiter thing worked well. Strange how (at least from what I saw) each car went pretty much at the line, just by going when the one in front did.

My keyboard batteries died just as I finished typing the second of two ADMIN messages about the start and I never got to press Return and send it! ::) Good job I have all the useful controls mapped to things on my wheel!

Eased myself into a race pace while a big battle raged ahead before getting onto the back of it, then people started falling off and I gradually eased up to 12th over the middle of the race, though I did have a big moment coming out of Sodra onto the runway, which let Don past, but the Escort is no match for the Capri in a straight line and I was back in front by Startkurven. Had to fight hard to hold him of until he looped it out of Gislaved.

After that it was a long slow process of putting in steady laps, lapping Phil and Bill (thanks for making it so easy). Eventually I started to catch Assassino and was flogging the wheels of the old F*rd trying to put some pressure on him without going off. One way or another it worked as he slipped off at Startkurven, leaving me 11th.

The pit board said 10th place was 10 seconds ahead and it didn't look like I had any chance of catching whoever was next, especially as the car was starting to snatch the rears under braking. But with just one lap to go I was gobsmacked to see -5 on the board and Mark Jonzo the wrong side of the runway divider on the exit of Sodra. 1th place was mine and despite the tyres being completely shot since the lap before I somehow did enough to keep him behind all the way to the flag! Woo! :w00t:

Well chuffed with a top 10 finish and for once a race with the exciting bits at each end, just the way it should be. ;D

 :( Sounds as though I missed another pearler of a race, bugger, why can't I win the lottery and not have to do shifts!!

Official (server) replay available from here (http://ukgtl.simracing.org.uk/Anderstorp%20GP%20-%20Ladder%20060629.zip)

Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=168) up to

Very unlucky to go off when you did Jonzo, I'd just about given in hope of getting passed at that that point after some great close racing. Can't of been much more than a second between for a good protion of the race. I had the speed to gain on you but once i'd caught up I think your pace increased and we were running very similar lap times.

Thanks Picnic, was just about to upload them.

Good qual to get 3rd, well pleased with that. Race went really well right up until the point where I switched off and spun donating an easy 3rd place and finishing 5th.  Oh well you cant win em all, good fun none the less.

That was my 2nd race here at the UKGTL ladder, and it is really a lot of fun racing with you guys. Thanks to JohnnyDee for telling me about UKGTL.

I was surprised to qualify 2nd with a mid 1.40 time, since Ruskus was more than a second faster. In the warmup lap somebody tried to hug me from behind on the long straight, and I saw a part flying away. For a second I thought it was my rear wing (somehow this thing gets lost a lot when I'm driving the Pantera  ;D), but fortunately it was just a light glass from his car, so no problem.

In the race I could stay behind Ruskus for a while, but I had to push rather hard to keep up, while he seemed to drive more relaxed, and I still couldn't get close enough to try an overtaking maneuver. I was hoping, he may makes a little mistake to get a chance, but he wouldn't do me that favour  ;). So at about mid of the race I decided to go a bit easier, and take more care of the engine and the tyres, to make sure I will finish.

Indeed I use autoclutch (there is no analog clutch on my gamepad unfortunately), but I wasn't aware that you could hear that from the outside. :)

Dont you worry about that m8, my knife's have been sharpened!!  :P

That was me I'm afraid, apologies.  Somehow I missed you braking and all of a sudden I was on top of you.  Saw the bit go flying and thought it was my splitter, fortunately it wasn't and no harm done to either of us.

I heard it when I was onboard with you in qually. With autoclutch the upshifts have a pause in it, and the down shifts sound very clean.
When I upshift I don't lift off, so you can hear the revs shoot to max for a fraction of a second. And with the downshifts I blip, which also causes high revs.

You don't have to have a clutch pedal, I for instance just have an original DFP, so no clutch at all. But I only use the clutch for starting and spinning :D

P.S: Is the race distance always gonna be 20 laps now, or is it 40 minutes?

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/ANDERSTORP TC76.htm)

No, it was just another bit of cut and paste nastiness on my part while Shark (the normal Event Director) is waiting for NThelL to fix his cable broadband service.

Thats all very interesting. I have my throttle and brake on one axis, which means I can't blip when braking (i.e. while downshifting).

I tried the following now: I put "toggle autoclutch" on a button of the gamepad (on the "up"-axis of my steering analog stick to be exact), so when I'm shifting up I can disable autoclutch, and when I'm shifting down I can enable it. I improved my PB by 0.3 seconds (its 1:39.892 now ... finally beat the 1:40 barrier  ;D) with this technique ... and it were just a few quick testlaps, so maybe there is even more potential.

Its not very sim-like tho, and also a bit annoying ... probably only feasible in quali or from time to time in a direct fight in a race.

That's good to hear. Also manual clutch is more rewarding IMO. What gamepad are you using, and why not consider a wheel?

I'm using an older Logitech Rumblepad (with rumbling disabled). One analog stick for steering, the other one for throttle/brake, and the shoulder buttons to shift. That allows pretty good control over the car. While in opposite to a wheel it surely lacks precision and feedback, I think it has a slight advantage when its about quick reaction, as needed for countersteering and that. Also while the other drivers shed some litres of sweat cranking their wheels, I can lean back and just have to twiddle my thumbs ...  ;D

I'll probably get myself a wheel sooner or later tho, at least for the more realistic feel, but it will probably cost me a few seconds, at least at the beginning.  :)

Racing without a steering wheel  ::)....that borders on sacrilege around these parts. :P

Whats worse is it means i am getting trounced by someone waggling a paddle stick  :-[ :alien:

ASSASSINO & RuiRod "drive" with the keyboard!!    :)

     -=> J <=-

I play with a 5 euro keyboard, please dont be mad, i always played racing games with keys.

I´m having trouble at the gtc76 class i need more practice