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UKGTL Ladder - TC-65 at Donington (National)

This is the third race of the new rolling ranking a.k.a. 'the Ladder'. All members welcome.

Date: Thursday 6th July

Practice: 20:30 (15 mins)
Qualifying: 20:45 (20 mins)
Race: 21:05 (27 laps = ~40 mins)

Cars allowed: Any TC-65; special guest car: the Lotus Elite
Time of day: 12:00 (midday)

Server: UKGTL Ladder; in the event that the lobby is unavailable, connect using Direct IP, entering games.avonrise.co.uk in the Add IP box
Password: See this post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1665.0)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7). Note in particular that we will be using the new pit lane speed limiter starting procedure.
(3) General information on the ladder can be found on the series home page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=25).

Ooh, never tried the Elite, could be worth a punt.

The NTL monkey is coming 4th July, so ya never know he might (a) turn up (b) fix whatever the problem is.

Woohoo, awesome track :jumpjoy:.

Gonna go with the aircraft carrier (Falcon), so much fun here.

After this race there are no events for a long time, is that summerstop or are you still planning?

New EU legislation means we can't run any more events ever. :P

Or we just haven't put anything in the calendar yet. :P

I really really hope that by than I will get a proper replacement card - missing this one as well would be just terrible

I'm down for the race

Does anyone have any objections to us testing the new skin pack (available here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27)) in this race?

Not me, I love to see teambased skins. As long as the skinpack is just one file, and not millions files with even more fixes etc. Luckily that's not the case with this skinpack. Downloading now...

im downloading Skin Pack now, GhostSpeed cars went to the paintshop to be fixed with UKGTL rules.

If I only would have a team colored car. Guess I will be running with the red thunder monster flattop

i'm tempted to get involved with you guys again :)

Presumeably those of us, who for various reasons, have not been able to supply our own custom skins will still be able to race using existing GTL skins?

I like the couple of Alfa skins I have incorporated in my GTL - very professional - and an incentive for me to have a go.  Being a new boy I have been concentrating on driving at Professional Level.  Also whilst incorporating skins on another league I had a problem (of my own making) which, together with holidays, has limited time available for things like this.

Bill

Yes, of course. :)

David

Please bear with me, I'm new to this skins game. I have already downloaded and use the excellent Team Shark 906 skin from their site. I have now downloaded the skin pack. If I install this does it mean that when I race in the UKGTL races I will see the various team members in their team cars, even though I am still using a bog standard boring GTL-supplied car?

Sorry to be a pain.


TC

Yep, that's exactly what it means. In fact, if you don't install the skins, those cars which are using them will be invisible to you. That would be Bad^(tm).

A very persuasive argument!!

Thanks for the info.


TC

Idiot's Query

I've put the stuff from your GameData folder into the corresponding GTL game folders - where the f--- does the GTLaddon.Ima3 file go?

Looking forward to enlightenment  :helpsmilie:


TC

You don't need it if you're not installing using ModMan - you can chuck it away. Only the stuff in GameData matters.

Thanks 

 :P


TC

I've added a note to the announcement about using Direct IP if the lobby remains unavailable.

Well the Lobby is back up (they got a new IP and probably just bounce requests to the old IP which is still the actual Lobby server IP...), but I am unable to join races.  I have sent an(other) email to 10T about it.  I can host a server and join that through the Lobby, though, so it's not exactly clear what is going on.  But what is NOT going on (right now, anyway) is me joining any other servers   ??? >:( :'(

     -=> J <=-

Think I'm going to attempt to drive the Stang for this one :scared:

Still can't get in via the lobby, but had no problems using a direct IP connection to games.avonrise.co.uk .

I expect that's because the server is not connected to the lobby. I'll restart it

Working fine through the lobby now thanks. Noticed it was set to Doni GP instead of Doni National though, so I restarted it to save any confusion.

Looking at the times on GTL rank the Elite is way slower than the Alfa, so we may need some points adjustment in the scoring. Going to give it quick try now to see what I can do in it. Will post back.

cant get in, has someone changed the PW? I'm using the posted 1 but get a "Bad PW" screen.

It's only on practice at the moment, so try the usual practice password.

Ok, can probably go a little faster in the Elite, but I am 3 - 4 seconds slower in the Elite than the Alfa so I don't htink it is evenly remotely a match, certainly needs it's points adjusting.

Did some Elite laps, and it is indeed way slower, high 26ers for me, which is 4s slower than the Alfa and Falcon. It is a very predictable car (no body roll etc), but no speed at all.

Im not sure why I bother with this game... hope you all had a good race.

I was not at all impressed by the chat at the end of the race, both before it finished, and after. The use of foul language is unacceptable and if you're unhappy about driving standards, tell a moderator, do not attempt to vent your feelings whilst you're still seeing red.

Confucious say, "He who hit man who still wear helmet bloody only own fists".

Server replay (http://ukgtl.simracing.org.uk/Donington%20National%20-%20Ladder%20060706.zip) available, results still being imported.

I was happy with my World Record in qually (duh :)). Was 1/10th faster than previous times. Again Peter very close behind, followed by LeH very close as well (witn manual clutch :thumbup2:).

Race started normal as far as I could see. Peter and I were following eachother around, same as last time, but this time we had LeH behind us the whole time. The gap between the two of us and him was increasing slowly in the beginning of the race, but not by much.
I was having a hard time trying to defend my line against Peter, I was looking behind to see if he was alongside as much as I could, just for safety, but there is always a blind spot.
In the end I was struggling like mad with my rubber, they were completely worn to the canvas, so Peter was way faster behind me. With some luck I was able to hold him off. The downside was, was that LeH was gaining fast! But because it was for position, and in different teams, I wasn;t just gonna let my 1st place go.

The last lap was fun, as LeH was trying to count the scratches on my rearbumper. But the long back straight was enough for me to take it easy in the chicane, and the acceleration was sufficiant to pull away and take 1st.

Donny always gives good races for me, brilliant track.

Sorry for my mixup at the start, d'oh! :-[ Stupid disconnect in qual after I got a new PB.  This game really knows how to throw us off our center!!

After that the start and race went really well, plus I got my PB time back in the race, woohoo!  Had a great 3-way battle going on in front of me for many laps at the beginning, some great dicing and place changes.  ASSASSINO took off once he got past, but the fighting let PR catch me and he got by on the s/f straight.  After that I had a very consistent race, never lost any spots but gained only by others' errors or lag problems.  Hate that.  Much fun, though!

Not sure yet what all was going on in the rest of the race but it seems several folks got a little excited.  There were also a bunch of disconnects and lagging cars which reallly throws a race.

     -=> J <=-

Really enjoyed that! Had a kind of 3 way battle with Greg, Aagramn and myself, I made small mistake and they both slipped passed. Spent the rest of the race watching them battle it out in front and trying to track them down again. Aagramn slipped off round about the Craner Curves with only a few laps to go and did a really fine thing reversed it off the racing line Kudos for that.

The Mustang was great to drive round here, great top speed and only a few corners that it really suffered, enjoyed it all ;)

I had a very quiet race, but definately more successful than my previous 2 attempts ;D The first 5 laps were a bit hairy, I had race tested my setup which had a comfortable tuoch of understeer, but when this race started I found it oversteering slightly which nearly made me cut the final chicane a couple times before I got used to it. I managed to keep up a steady pace until the 3 leaders came to lap me. I slowed to let the 1st two by. A lap later Leh wasn't close enough for me to do this without risking acres of time to the guys behind me so I figured I'd brake wide into the next corner and let him through on the inside, but I think he underestimated how early I tend to brake and ran me up the rear. Hope I didn't damage anything on him.

Edit - post removed.

Drivers are reminded that discussing race incidents on the forum is unacceptable, especially apportioning blame. Incidents should be reported to the moderator.

Had a really good race with Locutus, Assassino and Shark, I could just about keep with them ,for most of the race but couldn't really make  much of an impression on them most of the time, I only got past Locutus after an age of trying!
Bad luck Minton with your disco, oh and the skinned cars all looked real nice.  ;D

Well I had a great race dicing with Toms Cortina, couldn't match my pb in practice so about 13/14th Tom got by early on then I realised its not a sunday drive. Hounded him for a few laps and managed to creep by, this fighting slowed us up and we lost touch with the group infront.  I managed to keep a few seconds between us and kept station with an Alfa infront, then about 4 from the end picked up a place as I passed the  recovering Alfa of MichaelB76 we had a hell of a ding dong for the next few laps swapped places twice then he lost it on the grass going into (Mcleans I think) and I was eaten alive by a Shark, my car afterwards looked more like the evil eye of a great white with its headlight side ways  :-[  Pity realy as I gifted Tom the place and lost 2 but great fun.  ;D  Just more care needed. Well worth a look at 2234 seconds.


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Mixed race for me. Ran a bit wide early on the first lap, lost one place then another as I lost momentum leaving the first car room. Don blasted past in his Mustang down the straight, and I lost some momentum following him through the final chicane, costing me another place. 10th to 14th on the first lap. No complaints, all good clean racing. Had a good scrap with Don until he ran a bit wide. Then I had a brilliant scrap with Greg over several laps. Lots of close racing, and we swapped places a couple times. Had one scarey moment coming towards the final chicane with Greg on the inside of me. Found a car stopped in the braking zone, and had to move over to the right. Fortunately he backed out of the move and we got through safely. Greg eventually got past me and started to pull away. My race went downhill from there.

Lost concentration late on and spun at the Craner Curves. Managed to find reverse in time and get off the track (I'd had some practise, did exactly the same thing in qualifying). Was having a good fight with Baz for 14th, when I got my line wrong and stuck a couple wheels on the grass. Couldn't get the car stopped and ploughed into the side of him.  :( Sorry about that Baz, ruined what would have been a very enjoyable race for me.

Provisional results now up.

https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=169

Funny old race that, qualified 8th which is very high for me, in the V1 Team Shark Alfa. After having  to wibble my way JohhnyDee who forgot (again?! :P) about the rolling start, once again the limiter came off almost exactly on the s/f line (I'm still not sure that isn't partly psychological!) and I got stuck into the back of a good scrap between about 4 drivers.

Eventually I ran wide at Coppice and dropped a few places whilst I paddled back out of the kitty litter, took me more laps than I care to remember to get properly back in the groove and pull away from Don's Mustank which lurked menacingly behind. For most of the rest of the race it really looked like I could catch JohnnyDee before the end but with about 3 or 4 laps to go my tyres really went off and that was that.

Normally I'd be chuffed with 8th but having started there, and knowing that I might've been as high as 4th without my little off road excursion I feel a twinge of disappointment. :-\

Dunno what happened with the disco'd car (was it Dan Minton?) but that certainly helped me make back quite a few places!

I'm very surprised to see that the Alfa gets alot more points. I picked the Falcon because it's a more difficult car to drive, but fun none the less. The Alfa is much quicker in 80% of the tracks. Only Monza is clearly more muscle biased. There is no reason to take the Falcon anymore, it's much easier to go quick and consistent in the Alfa, and it gets alot more points per finish. I think the Falcon and Alfa are equal (in both the Falcon as the Alfa I did 1:22.8 at Donny), and the Mustang is worse than the Falcon/Alfa.
Just my opinion. And I know you are still tweaking the pointsystem, that's why I say this.
Not critic, just my insight on it. :-*

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/nDonington TC65 GTL.htm)

Gutted about the disco,    good to see alot of people doing quicker race times than in quali,pb for me in race. All the skins looked good shame there wasnt a few more.
Cheers

Great race, i managed to catch Shark car i did pass him on last lap, i had some close racing with madd-rip who made a clean race ( i had a bad judgment towards him ), i´m already looking forward to next race.


About skins they are great, GS skins are still on work., i belive the alfa is finished. ill post them when the moment comes.

I tried both early today and was able to go about 1s a lap faster in the Falcon, despite awful understeer, than in the Alfa. You're right about the Falcon being harder to drive though,

The Elite clearly has too high a rating too.

Just watched the replay and appologies to anyone that left the track coz of my disco think there were a couple of you.
First few laps involving Madd, Locotus and someone else looked awesome great driving a pleasure to watch. ;)

Again this was a great race.

I was surprised in the qualifying by the Falcons being so fast on this track. I had Donington National in mind as Alfa track, and didn't even try the Falcon.

Starting 3rd after Ruskus and Pero in their Falcons, I estimated that at the beginning of the race I would have no chance to overtake, since the Falcons are just too fast on the straights, but I knew their tyres would wear much faster than mine in the Alfa. So my plan was keeping close to them, and see if I get a chance later in the race.

When the race was started, Ruskus and Pero were fighting hard right from the beginning, and I thought it would may slow them down or give me a chance to slip through, but both could keep up their fast pace very well, and no chance came up for me. Until lap 20 or so, I lost about 6 seconds to them, due to smaller mistakes like forgetting to enable autoclutch before downshifting (apart from one or two smaller mistakes, disabling autoclutch while upshifting and enabling it while downshifting, works rather nice for me  :)), and not passing overlapped cars so well. Indeed I was a bit surprised by Osiris' breaking so early when I tried to overlap him and bumped into his back, but nothing was damaged on my car and also he didn't seem to have any problems. It was also my fault, I could have been more careful and patient overlapping.

Near the end of the race, Ruskus and Pero got slower like I expected, and I could close the 6 seconds gap within a few laps. I could overtake Pero rather easily. He made a counterattack on the s/f straight, but his tyres were already so bad, that he had to let me go in the next corner. After that I was closing in on Ruskus, and in the very lasp lap I even had to brake in the turn before the long straight to not run into him. Thanks to the Falcon's power he could pull away until the chicane, but I could take this one much faster and was even side by side with him for a moment, but the superior acceleration of the Falcon's engine made Ruskus get to the finishing line quicker, and he drove home his win safely. That was a very exciting finish !

I agree that the Falcons are more difficult to drive, and drivers shouldn't get punished for not taking an easy to drive Alfa, which is the fastest car on most tracks anyways. In this race it was a hell of a job driving the Falcon without bigger mistakes. Well deserved win for Ruskus and also worth full points, imho.

Great battle with Don and especially Aagramn, made the race for me and really enjoyed it, thanks.

Yeah well done on the new skins guys. Looking good.  O0

I think the Falcon is faster than the Alfa so should be scored higher but probably not as big a difference as there is. Certainly I think the Mustang needs to be lower score too. Alternatively you could bump the Alfa up a few notches and the Lotus Cortina a little too.

Likewise, very well raced Greg. Lots of bumper-to-bumper action, yet we were never in any danger of trading paint.

Questions questions questions:

How does the Falcon (rated 5.5) compare for pace with the 300SL (rated 6.8)?

How does the Elite (rated 3.8) compared to the Mini (rated 3.2) and the Cortina (rated 3.5)?

IMHO only...

Elite should be lower than a Cortina (down to no higher than 3.0, it really is that slow).

Hmm, well, as a start I've reduced the Elite to 3.0, the Falcon to 5.0, and the Mustang to 4.7. The GTA has been bumped up to 3.8 at the Cortina to 3.6.